How the Separatist Navy CRUSHED all Opposition

[@geetslys]

What was your favourite CIS Battleship?

[@crazykenproductions606]

The Malevolence

[@luke.h9826]

The lukerhulk

[@fliskodingo659]

The providence class destroyer

[@JaelaOrdo]

Lucrehulk all day

[@eternal5930]

Lucrehulk

[@solrhopalocera5704]

It’s a shame all these CIS ships lacked the most important type of armor PLOT ARMOR

[@Sweetace2211]

You don't need plot armor when your enemy has negative plot armor

[@meediamongergamemodder2302]

yep like the terminators indestructible til someone shoots a gun in their face lol

[@samuel10125]

Ah plot armour

[@samuel10125]

@@meediamongergamemodder2302 not really they are stronger than human they can just beat the shit out of you.

[@alejandroelluxray5298]

Yeah, but if that doesn't was a thing, we will not have an Star Wars saga in the first place, every hero will be death and nothing will have a point, also is not like in the movies the rebels didn't suffer big casualties, I mean how many people you need to crew at full capability a Mon Calamari cruiser

[@goldeagle6431]

The Separatist Navy also had the most badass looking and sounding ships. Like, who else loved the sound of when a CIS ship goes past the viewer?

[@jonathanmonkemeyer2693]

Torik Jast yeah they sound like a squadron of WW2 bombers

[@goldeagle6431]

Jonathan Monkemeyer Right?

[@ilikepigeons6101]

Sounds like a malfunctioning refrigerator, and I still like it

[@fabianzimmermann5495]

Oh yeah, I love that sound.

[@rokkfel4999]

Kinda like the empires they look and sound intimidating

[@enoughothis]

The CIS starfighter corps was truly brilliant. Large numbers meant they could use swarm tactics versus the GAR having to use over-engineered and expensive ships like the ARC 170. Also being droids meant they could coordinate their attacks far better than organic pilots could. Furthermore with no living pilots their starfighters were smaller and more maneuverable, thus harder to hit.

[@enoughothis]

@Gaius Wyrden , correct but Jedi were far too valuable and rare to be wasted flying combat sorties all of the time. The numbers advantage is also a factor, throw 100 tri-fighters at a Jedi in a starfighter and they will probably get him.

[@presidentstanky8547]

@@enoughothis There was one episode of the old clone wars TV show where Anakin literally destroys like 5 frigates and hundreds of starfighters, but that is no longer canon and it was the original clone wars TV show so it was quite a bit less realistic than the newer show.

[@patrickspeegle9558]

Not to mention the fact that a droid-controlled fighter can perform maneuvers that would kill a living pilot, assuming the living pilot didn't have inertial dampeners of course

[@Ocastia]

1. even Whit inertia dampers, a machine can easily whitstand dozens of G's whilst a human will struggle at surviving 20 (Whit training, a G-Suite, and a proper equipped plane) for more than a few seconds. 2. The droids can easily have full 360° sensor coverage, while a human will always be limited to a 90° field of view. 3. The fucking space wizards don't count, as they are some of the worst Mary Sue's ever. Seriously it doesn't matter what you do, those morons will always win because they are the goddammn good guys. Grrr I really hate space wizards. How the fuck can they even cut through everything so easily? Even we as humans on Earth have materials, that can whitstand a Plasma Lance for ages. And who on Earth though a glowing stick would be a good or interesting weapon?

[@tacotown4598]

so yez

[@KushSalad]

Lucrehulk: Perfect carrier Recusant Class: Over 100 laser and point defense canons plus vulture droids perfect anti-straighter ship Munificent Class: Great anti-capital ship & suppport ship Providence: Great Command ship, & all around overall ship. Great variety, specialization, and versatility. CIS Navy kicks ass. Wish we saw the rebels use it more against the Empire...

[@Horesmi]

Rebels did use it but lacked the means to mass produce them.

[@benjaminholcomb9071]

Yeah cause they spent too much of their time blowing up the infrastructure and resources that they so desperately needed 😂😂

[@internetman-]

@@Horesmi they captured a providence though so that's a win.

[@itssimon500]

@@internetman- this one providance was for a lont time the Main ship of the rebel fleet. (rebel one )

[@lukefriesenhahn8186]

I wish that as well, except one problem, with there being less life support systems, means you would only be able to have approx. 1/4 of an organic ships crew.

[@oogaboogabe3464]

The CIS was just... Better in most ways. If the clone wars happened WITHOUT palpatine, the CIS would just win.

[@fliskodingo659]

If it wasn't for palpatine the CIS wouldn't exist

[@beechcraftkingair3799]

Gabriel Young undoubtedly, they must’ve had the high ground

[@beechcraftkingair3799]

FliskoDingo they would’ve, but maybe not have had Count Doku

[@tugroti66]

Clone Wars wouldn't have happened without Palpatine.

[@holypotatopaladin20]

@@fliskodingo659 I think darth plagueis will just look for another human....

[@jordanmanley9172]

Imagine commanding a Lucrehulk ... Not only are you responsible for astronautical operations, but terrestrial/(areo)nautical combat if you were on the offensive. That would be the ultimate command position.

[@Banchoking]

I agree. I would personally install an additional control system to allow a small number of elite pilots to assume direct control of droid starfighters. That would get around their one weakness, predictability.

[@AAhmou]

@@Banchoking It would be more expensive to implement to all droid starfighters, only a few droids would have that attachment that should probably belong to a special fleet let's not even speak of the pilots willing to do it. Another disadvantage is that once communications are jammed, it'd be pretty useless.

[@alonelyperson6031]

@@AAhmou Only a SMALL number of ELITE PILOTS willing to do so. And if the communications are jammed well the droids would still work, so it wouldn't be a big lost.

[@AAhmou]

@@alonelyperson6031 You get where I am getting at... Only few elite fleets can afford to have that system incorporated.

[@alonelyperson6031]

@@AAhmou Thats the point of personally installing it. Its suppose to be an elite upgrade for Banchoking's fleet.

[@fightingfalcon777]

Without question, I would captain a Lucrehulk. They’re great ships. They may be slow, but they’re great carriers, well-armored and powerful, and great command ships

[@notlessorequal3777]

Its a ship with no blind spots being rounded, all cannon and armaments are positioned to cover 360 degrees all around and impossible to flank.

[@fightingfalcon777]

Jordan Alexander Valid point. I think it’s benefits definitely outweigh that major flaw, but nonetheless a valid point, Jordan

[@alephkasai9384]

@Jordan Alexander Just gonna say 40 million is cheap compared to what some of our carriers cost. It's most probably due to the tech difference though

[@punctuationman334]

Jordan Alexander well that’s why there are support ships like munificents around lucrehulks.

[@simbaensolo3466]

That beginning of the video, nice reference to Star Wars battlefront 1 (PlayStation 2, Xbox, PC) Edit: Thanks for saying, forgot to mentions them too

[@siegel947]

Intro was great

[@Felix-ru7qj]

(PC)

[@michaelcook7924]

And star wars battlefront 2 the original #2

[@notlad900]

Robloxing With Mike. Original BF2 did not have that kind of load screen so I’m not sure what you’re talking about

[@michaelcook7924]

@@notlad900 I swear it did. Or am I mixing BF1 with bf2 XD I was 8 at the time.

[@Gamerguy826]

The CIS Navy is my favorite by far. They had a ton of advantages, including a few that I think are left unsaid. - Numbers. In most typical combat situations, the CIS Navy had the Republic outnumbered two to one, if not more so, and their reserves were massive. This numerically superior approach was perfect for a long term war, and it was a solid decision to rely on mass production of such vital starships. - Logistics. The Confederacy's decision to rely on droids was nothing short of brilliant in this case. Droids don't need food, water, sleep or medical care of any kind. They just need power, repairs and ammunition, and droid engineers and mechanics were effectively medics by extension, making droid medical ships unnecessary. It also made resupplying fleets easy, while the Republic logistics network was basically wheezing trying to catch up. - Coordination. If there is one thing the Seperatists nailed during the Clone Wars, it was combining the firepower and momentum of the droid Navy (and army) without flaw. In fact, CIS coordination was so good that some of the Empire's best fleets simply paled in comparison. - Firepower. The droid Navy was one of the strongest in the galaxy, and could actually compete with the Republic Navy with hardly anyone not taking it seriously. I bet the Confederate Navy would have mopped the floor with the Imperial Navy. - Cost effectiveness. The CIS Navy was very cost effective and didn't take much money to expand, since many of its ships were designed for mass production, which saved the Seperatists quite a lot of money, while the Republic by comparison was almost bankrupt by war's end. - Versatility. The Confederacy's Navy had countless specialized ships for completely different combat roles. The Munificent cruiser formed the sturdy bulk of their fleets, the Recuscant was an excellent, well armed flanker, the Providence was versatile, tough and more than a match for a Venator, and the Lucrehulk was pretty much the ultimate command ship. Not to mention I love how they look. I always preferred the more "mechanical" appearance of the Confederacy.

[@LoneWolf20213]

the CIS ships were more thought out in combat role's, the Providence and Lucrehulk especially are good ship's, and if these were the standard ship's the CIS used, naval battle's would almost be homicidal

[@simonwilliamnoelmurray9179]

Too expensive to only produce capital ships. And would also lack the versatility offered by Recscant, Munificent, Hardcell etc

[@LoneWolf20213]

@@simonwilliamnoelmurray9179 true, but still better than the republic’s strategy in there destroyers

[@good8619]

@@LoneWolf20213 Ideally there would be a Lucrehulk fully loaded with weapons or a large Providence variant serving as the capital ship. Support them with Munificents and some Recusents and that fleet becomes a nightmare to take out. Also it's a shame the CIS didn't have a fully dedicated carrier. I guess the Providence could carry hundreds of starfighters but imagine a fully dedicated carrier in each feet, bringing in over a thousand Vultures, Hyena bombers and Trifighters.

[@good8619]

@@simonwilliamnoelmurray9179 That's right. I believe that even the standard, 1km version of the Providence cost twice as much as a Venator. It was better sure but the Munificents were cheaper than Venators and easily outgunned them. Like I said above, the large, 2km Providence variant supported by Munificents and Recusents would be unstoppable for any standard Republic fleet.

[@LoneWolf20213]

@@good8619 honestly, if the repoblic and CIS combined there forces, both clones and droids, they'd be unstoppable in the galaxy, even the vong would have no chance against that level of OP power

[@UncleMikeDrop]

The warship reconfiguration of their fleets was also an easy task for them considering the highly modular configuration of their ships. The CIS constituent Fleets skirted Ruusan reformation limits by having the modular sockets that would house their heavier weapons serve as housing for other equipment. When war was declared, it was a simple matter of swapping out components. With all this in mind, It's important to note that they were still operating way below their potential. Had they not been manipulated by Plaegus and Sidious from the start, they could have easily crushed the Republic's forces. They could've swiftly taken and easily held resource rich systems within Republic space thus thoroughly hampering their already relatively limited capacity to wage war.

[@jh-ij4by]

how do you have so much knowledge about star wars :o

[@UncleMikeDrop]

@Jordan Alexander most if not all of the problems with the CUS were due to wide scale manipulation. Said manipulation had to be increased once it became apparent that the war was going very poorly for the GAR

[@casbot71]

Hmmm... If Dooku had been killed at Geonosis how would the CIS have fared? He was feeding information to Sidious and no doubt limiting the CIS's actions to keep the war going. Without him could the CIS leadership have implemented upgrades (say to B1 programming) and strategies to overwhelm the GAR? After all the Coriscant attack was Palatines idea.

[@lorastra6975]

@Jordan Alexander Well I think that the CIS would get past it even with Dooku's death. After all there were many patriots who fought on their side. And if we go by Disney Canon standards I believe that Admiral Trench or Grevious would take command the military forces of the CIS. Optimistically Trench would be a better substitute than Grevious for obvious reasons.

[@georgeoust]

CIS is just... better. They had great advantages in many aspects and had the war gone without manipulations, the separatists would have won. Always a CIS supporter!

[@ubiquitouspanda4466]

@Adam and Eve are you calling him a dumbass or are you calling the clones dumbasses

[@L._.A-06]

Well if the war went without manipulation that means palpatine didn’t exist which would mean the CIS might not exist or be nearly as powerful and the republic would still be dumb

[@mikleangelo9733]

@Adam and Eve You really need to act more intelligent. You are degrading your argument to just "clones are better lol" give some reasons why they are better. Otherwise you just look like a moron.

[@theministryofstatesecurity6767]

@Adam and Eve clones may be more effective, but they take massive amounts of time and resources to raise compared to a battle droid. You have to raise them for 10 years, feed them, medically threat them and once their service is over you will have a shit ton of soldiers you need to give retirement to. Droids on the other hand are quick the manufacture where you can make one in minutes and only require basic maintenance and power charging and when you are done with them, simply deactivate them. They are also 100 loyal. If the war kept going, I'm pretty sure that the clone troopers will realize they're slaves. A single clone trooper would need to kill 100 droids or maybe more just to make up for their cost. Also, clone troopers are literally slaves forced to fight wars of a corrupt bureaucratic government with no will of their own. Really unethical to exploit them than compared to mindless machines.

[@hazardous8301]

Adam and Eve ok you sound like a child but I’m going to step into the argument and both help you argument while also refute it. Clones didn’t have the skill of Mandalorians. That being said clones were far better warriors then any droid models except for the Magna droids and they were few in number as they were expensive and most magna droids were under the command of and personally trained by general grievous. Besides them the only droids that came close were commando droids and I’d say they were on par if not better then your average clone but were inferior by a pretty large margin to that of more skilled clone troopers. Over all the clones in terms of sheer power and skill were likely the greatest ground forces in Star Wars as though they didn’t have the skill of the mandalorians they had a pretty large numbers advantage with better tech. That being said they would still lose to the CIS because they have a massive and I do mean MASSIVE numbers advantage. Were sidious to not interfere beyond starting the clone wars the CIS would have won the war without question.

[@wheelyone8269]

You didn't mention the fact of using droid fighters in the navy, as they were cheaper, more agile, and quick to produce. They could also be used as kamikazes to take out a venetor bridge or both

[@Verde_Martinez]

I would captain a Lucrehulk battleship. It would serve as a perfect mobile command for a PMC/Bounty Hunter/Mercenary group that would be functional for space and planet side warfronts. The large hangars would allow for a variety of vehicles of various types for both battlefronts, large scale troop deployment, cargo transport, and have room to spare. The CIS has cool designs that are lethally effective. That has always been there appeal to me from the very start. In the original Battlefront games, I likes playing on the CIS side or stealing their ships because of how much I like the designs. Especially the Tri fighter. My introduction to Star Wars was the Phantom Menace as a kid then the original trilogy and then the last 2 prequels was my original viewing order. When the opening script finished rolling, reading every word I felt drawn in to the setting, then we see a plain starship but then pans over to this imposing, massive station, which turns out to be a battle ship, and I felt awed by its scale and the implied might it could bear down upon enemies, quickly conveying just how dangerous it is. I am pretty neutral towards the War but if the sith and jedi were removed from the equation, then I would side with the CIS. The Clones got the short end of the stick and forced to do the dirty work. I pity them, poor souls. Thank you if you read this far. Have a pleasant day.

[@karlmarx7333]

The last time I was this early that intro was still widely known

[@truesonsofmandalore]

I think the important thing here is that the proletariat navy is better.

[@Buildnstack]

Long live the Peoples republic of the republic!

[@emmanuel8679]

Karl Marx I need advice on unionizing the clones

[@1rotzy]

When I first saw the clone wars, I was a kid and cheered for the Republic because they were the ‘good guys.’ But now that I am older, and know the intricacies of the war I know that it wasn’t really true. So, I agree with a lot with what a lot of people are saying. If it weren’t for Sidious, the CIS would have won.

[@HaakondenGode09]

imagine if the malevolence was mass produced

[@aliastheabnormal]

The CIS is the best navy in Star Wars. That really isn't a high bar to clear you know.

[@troo_6656]

Not realy, imperial armada was quite good (I don't ignore its flaws). Rebels nearly never engaged imperial fleet in open combat until the end of the war. Also it was in the end the new imperial fleet who was responsible for destruction of CIS navy. But I agree that CIS had the best navy. I am just saying that other factions had decent armadas as well.

[@robertagu5533]

@@troo_6656 especially the Rebels at the end of the Galactic Civil War.. a fleet that grew confident, and powerful, to fight a huge scale classic battle against a while armada of Imperial SDs has to be packing some huge numbers and very serious fire power at that point.

[@aliastheabnormal]

@@troo_6656 CIS remnants not navy. Palpatine ordered Vader to shut down the CIS navy after he killed the Separatist council. What the Empire fought was whatever droids that were reactivated or that were smart or arrogant enough to realize that it was all a set up. The Empire never fought the true CIS and if anything the CIS could be considered a Sith proxy similar to the First Order's many minions or the Mandalorians.

[@aliastheabnormal]

@Gaius Wyrden The Executor died to an A-Wing while boosted by Sith battle meditation by Palpatine. That's not luck that is the hand of god giving Needa a middle finger to the butthole and violating him like a papal choirboy

[@hazardous8301]

Gaius Wyrden dude you need to do more research. The imperial navy was pretty bad. It’s fighters were some of the worse ever made the star destroyers had a lot of fire power and strong armor and shielding but had virtually no point defense systems and overly exposed shield generators which made them highly susceptible to surgical strike and bombing runs. The rebels didn’t win because of plot armor they won because the empire was trying to fight a war that was fought mostly with fighters with warship with no point defenses and a high vulnerability to surgical strike and shitty fighters of there own. The navy of the empire is IMO the worst in Star Wars. It had very little diversity and what it did have was strong in theory but not in execution. In terms of sheer fire power the imperials should have the strongest but when u consider other factors there navy was actually pretty shitty.

[@MrAcerulez]

The more analysis videos I see of the CIS and Republic, the more firm in my belief that the CIS should've won the war. While plot wise it was mostly Palpatine that cause the downfall of the droids, if you watch the show you still see a Republic fleet half the size of the CIS fleet somehow still win engagements just from pure plot armor, cause the droids (for some reason) can't hit the broadside of a Death Star. If one of those Republic ships has a main character on board, oh boy watch out cause one Star Destroyer will be able to take out that Luckerhulk and it's escorts no problem.

[@fliskodingo659]

The problem is that the separatist had more firepower and the republic usually sends small attack forces likely 2-3 Venators and plus worst most of the republic ships hull's were weak like the interdictor acclamator arquiens.

[@fliskodingo659]

@Gaius Wyrden separatist ships have more firepower and defenses the republic had tricks but most of the time if they weren't with a jedi a good fleet. Even so the separatist warships most of the time outnumber republic ships

[@enderdrone6432]

Gaius Wyrden you only saw the point of view of the Republic, so its easy for anyone to assume things. And listen to Geetsly video he pointed out that the Munificent blind point is the rear

[@punctuationman334]

Gaius Wyrden well the reason why the cis seem to suck in Star Wars is because of plot armor.

[@battledroidcommander234]

FliskoDingo you know its a important mission when republic sends 4 venators

[@ryankwong2941]

Providence class destroyer Looks cool and is effective

[@mitchcoleman1238]

I would want to captain one of the CIS dreadnaughts. It’s more solid and isn’t so spread out like the smaller banking clan frigates.

[@Banchoking]

I would love to captain a Lucrehulk. I would take the liberty of installing an additional control mechanism that would allow a small team of elite pilots to assume direct control of any of the fighter droids in order to get around the droids's flaw of predictability.

[@serendal]

And this is why I love the CIS!

[@aurathedraak7909]

More classic noises

[@chengzhou8711]

“I was in an Acclamator when my team got yanked from Geonosis. That was when I was a heavy trooper and a sergeant. A whole bunch of reinforcements were preying on our ships, and they sent boarding craft to munch us up. I’ll never forget my first battle, I cut down countless many battle droids that day. I also got a nasty hit and was out for that fight halfway through, but hey, I got a commendation for it.” ARF/CT-8711-12 “Cheng”, Captain and Scout of the 442nd Siege Battalion

[@xerxes5217]

"They still don't rival my army, although I believe the CIS would be a valuable allie. Maybe they could destroy the cursed Spartans!"

[@oom-3262]

Finally some recognition! jesus!

[@battledroidcommander234]

OOM- 32 yes

[@gallaieousyehudai12]

As a loyal Republic Supporter, the CIS has gained my respect 😭😭😭

[@thorshammer7883]

The Old Republic and Sith Empire vs The Grand Army of the Republic and CIS. With Legends/EU numbers.

[@AAhmou]

Depends on which era of the old republic we're speaking about...

[@thorshammer7883]

@@AAhmou Great Galactic War era.

[@fadelsukoco3092]

Highly-automated vessels, replacable and very efficient crew, diverse ship types specialized for specific tactical roles, more-realistic designs, all of these really put the CIS ahead of the Republic,and I think they were better-designed on purpose because of a general lack of continuity constraints (venators and acclamators needing to look similar enough to star destroyers and to differentiate the factions) and maybe, also to give the main heroes more recognition for winning battles with clearly-inferior ships. I think the greatest advantage of the CIS navy was not only the extremely-convenient pre-set-up base and multiple sources that just happened to fit together perfectly, but competant-enough commanders to use these advantages in combined-arms tactics to their fullest.

[@SilvioSalieri]

Dang, these vids make me wish for a Star wars empire at war sequel with the clone wars as the setting. I would love to play both the Republic and CIS in a RTS game.

[@yamatojoe7327]

There’s a very good mod for Empire at War called “Fall of the Republic” that makes the game set in the clone wars.

[@lukasj19999]

Just think about what would happen if Dooku declares himself as the new Lord of the Sith in shadow, cutting his ties with Palpatine, reveal to the public who he really is and leads the CIS in a war against the currupt Republic which is even lead by a sith

[@Bagster321]

CIS Navy with Republic Army Boom. Best military ever.

[@unlimitedx53]

I think it would be important to mention, that the providence and Recusant Classes were each build in 2 different versions, the standard versions listed here and the dreadnought versions, that cranked up every stat considereable

[@colbyuetake130]

Definitely the Providence class, that's my absolute favourite warship in Star Wars. Another point is that because if the diversity of ship types, that makes for absolutely amazing flexibility in tactics

[@Perfectvalor]

being the captain of a Lucrehulk would be awesome.

[@Lolguy-qr6ty]

11:11 "GOOD LORD IS THAT A TANK OR NOT?!" - any roblox combat game player on their first 3 matches

[@STALKEROFLAME]

Can we talk about the fact that he just replaced the backbone with a starfighter

[@apyrthegreat6708]

lucrehulks were actually originally designed as merchant ships, and were converted in time of war. pretty cool if u ask me

[@LordTuskk]

Gimme dat providence but the huge dreadnought variation

[@grandadmiral8173]

One thing I love about legends over canon is that on many occasions the rebellion had cis and republic warships and ground tanks. Yes we didn't see them in the movies but it made more sense than Canon's version where they used mostly inefficient warships and no ground vehicles. The resistance is even worse off though

[@davidhabda9797]

Deffinetly a recusant class destroyer

[@xenowreborn]

10:50 What is the separatist ship next to the Recusant? Also Great video LONG LIVE THE Confederacy!!!

[@Robotic_Rampage]

Captor-class cruiser

[@xenowreborn]

@@Robotic_Rampage Thank you

[@fabianzimmermann5495]

I love the separatists. I love everything in their army. The droids, the tanks, especially the navy, because it has the best designed ships of the entire star wars franchise and the commanders. General Grievous, who in my opinion was ruined in the clone wars, because there he was only a coward and always ran away. He only killed one jedi in six seasons. And he won only one battle (I think). Admiral Trench is very interesting and I like him, but they just say a lot of stuff about him, that would make him great and don‘t show it. And then he gets his ass kicked and apparently gets killed and then shows up four seasons later and he still doesn‘t do much on screen. All hail the CIS.

[@derunzufriedene7405]

German ;)?

[@beastmodeengaged5895]

Yea I’ve been sayin that the space battles for the republic did not go well almost ever

[@seanduarte5989]

As soon as you said notable commanders I was like it’s time for your boy Trench!

[@youcanthandlemyname7393]

i wonder how many separatist fleets that were composed purely of droid captains and crews are just sitting out their in the galaxy ever since the command for all droids to shut down was issued.

[@jamesmiller4054]

Why did they bother to put oxygen in ships with only battle droids on board? Its like they wanted to get intruders

[@xavier6838]

Cis officers and separatist senators

[@toyer7327]

@@xavier6838 they can stay in one room and the rest of the ship won't have life support lol

[@thebighurt2495]

They were originally designed to accommodate an Organic/Droid crew mix back before the war. They switched to a 99% Droid Crew loadout once the war kicked off. The Real question is why were the life support systems still turned on?

[@silverarrow1094]

Somebody finally said it! I’ve been thinking this for forever!

[@merafirewing6591]

​@@thebighurt2495 probably for additional redundancy if needed.

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

You know the CIS had good stuff cause once they bit the dust as a cohesive fighting force it was like the entire Galaxy turned into Jawas looking to buy, salvage, and steal as much old CIS tech as they could. I have to imagine this helped the Alliance in those cash-strapped early days.

[@colinagnes4552]

If the CIS navy is so good how do I beat them in the o.g. battlefront 2 all the time? *sarcasm before anyone gets butthurt*

[@drummerboii2878]

By boarding the other ship and taking care of the shields of course

[@Julius_Caesar69420]

Fuck you ;-;

[@jamesdavis9036]

More ships overall, more types of ships, and much better armament. The Seps were just better overall.

[@loganm.144]

Other than troops

[@jamesdavis9036]

@@loganm.144 True, but the Seps could just shoot them outta the sky before they could land on the planet

[@loganm.144]

@@jamesdavis9036 theres no way the droids could take out every gunship coming into atmosphere

[@jamesdavis9036]

@@loganm.144 Again true, but you would be able to start shooting pretty soon after they exit hyperspace, and the Venators' hangers are a huge weakness. Edit: I think I understand. When I meant out of the sky I meant while they were flying towards the planet.

[@jamesdavis9036]

@THE TECH JUGGERNAUNT And magnaguards and commando droids

[@madness8897]

i see the republic and the CIS as this. romans vs carthaginians, with them having the same strenths and flaws. with romans being superior ground troops in tactics and troop skill. while the CIS was hands down the best navy in the galaxy in their time.

[@threesofthree6100]

Even into the Imperial era a fully armed Lucrehulk was a force to be reckoned with. I'd captain one without any hesitation whatsoever. You basically drop that mother ******** into orbit around a planet and you're good to go. Immense firepower, nearly impenetrable shields and armor, and enough starfighters, droids/landing craft, and supplies to single-handedly occupy a planet? What more could you want? Aside from maybe a super laser... Looking at you, Eclipse.

[@sovietpowersupereme6231]

The More I watch these CIS videos The More I feel that palpatine just made an unbeatable enemy so he could say "Elect me!"

[@nodgamer1915]

Their is pain, and there’s trying to play Republic at war as the republic while fending of the separatist navy

[@nodgamer1915]

Olny way to beat them was bomber swarms, I can see why the republic was having a pilot shortage.

[@-CrimsoN-]

Holy fuck yes...the Clone Wars really taints the perception of the CIS until you face them in RAW.

[@DecentralizedGaming000]

Good job, make more like these please esspically about the war and its percious details

[@lek1223]

well, in extended legacy the empire did have a lot of other crafts as supplement their fleet well, and if they 'did' fly in groupings proper they would be much more potent, however, they valued star destroyer much too high, which was their downfall

[@neflesward2727]

This is one of the best video about star wars that I've ever seen. Very well done! Long live the confederation of the independent sistems!

[@kirknay]

first 10 seconds... NOSTALGIAGASM!!!!!

[@Ocastia]

Heyy Mako Reizei! I found another Weeaboo ;)

[@thecrock2474]

Yoooooooo mako!

[@magallanthepenguin9132]

Remember the episode where Anakin's flagship chasing cad bane. The resolute alone and destroyed 4-5 magnificent war ship wtf...and bane even stated the general commanding that Jedi cruiser is a bold one

[@OryxTheMadGod3]

1:34 omg you can see the rare Cursor-class Starfighter in this picture

[@autotune1835]

3:12 Excellent visual! 😂😂😂😂

[@coreymicallef365]

I think you're over estimating the utility of the Lucrehulk battleships and the CIS logistical advantage. Lucrehulks might have been massively powerful ships, but they were also just massive ships each one the size of a large battlecruiser and the CIS could only bring a relative handful to bare at any one point in the war and had fairly weak armaments for their size, in star fighter carrying capacity a single Venator carried 20-25% as much as the Lucrehulk in a hull that was maybe around 1/25 the size if we're being generous (1137x548x268m compared to 3120x3009x1029m, I didn't do the maths because of the giant negative spaces and odd shapes, I'd need to CAD model each one to work it out, but it wouldn't surprise me if it turned out to be under 2% as large) and while it had a huge number of guns a Victory 1 probably had half the armament a Lucrehulk has while being even smaller than a Venator and could likely being even more to bare in any one direction and a doughnut shaped ship could while an Imperial 1 probably matches it's firepower. Each Lucrehulk needed a powerful escort because they were the weak links in the CIS fleet, if a Lucrehulk in a fleet was destroyed that fleet probably just lost most of its star fighters, supplies and any significant ground forces it had. Without Lucrehulks the CIS wouldn't have been able to invade planets and if they couldn't attack planets the Republic would be able to free up more clones from defensive duties to go on the attack. As for logistics, I think you're missing a lot of what logistics means, it's more than food and medical supplies, the vast bulk of both sides logistics trains would have been busy ferrying fuel, spare weapons, spare parts and reinforcements to the front lines, and just because they used droids didn't mean that the CIS forces were self sustaining, especially with how many droids their ground tactics ensured would be lost in every fight (they'd need a lot of replacements) and spare parts for technicians to repair and maintain the droids that survived any given fight. If anything the CIS should have had worse logistics than the Republic due to their astrography (the Republic had the interior lines of communication, with better hyperspace lanes between their industrial base and the front, and shorter overall distances to travel with more direct routes across the galaxy instead of needing to go all the way around) and their reliance on sheer quantity of equipment.

[@terrenaven]

I just want to point out, you are grossly overestimating how large a Lucrehulk is compared to a Venator. Watch the episode where Anakin rams his star destroyer into the blockade battleship. The venator is about a third of the size and maybe a little less in mass than the Lucrehulk, not 2% of the size. Like, damn, i don't know where you got that figure from, just looking at it it's clear the ratio is nowhere near that. Also, with their firepower, just by design you can see that mose star wars ships are not very good at concentrating their firepower to one point. The Venator and Victory as well as the Imperial I and II need to either angle their nose down and expose their bridge to bring their full firepower on one target (although their bridges were overexposed enough as it is) or they can only broadside. The Lucrehulk is very much a defensive type of ship. Slow, heavily armored, and with many overlapping fields of fire but nowhere to fully concentrate its firepower means it has a powerful broadside and is great as a second-line combatant. Secondly, yes, Geetsly's is a bit wrong with how he described logistics, but in the way he's talking, he means the logistics of keeping these ships crewed and operational. Despite the heavy casualties that Separatist ground forces endured, by the end of the clone wars the CIS had BILLIONS of droids. Spreading them out by a couple hundred to each warship barely makes a dent in those numbers, even with the tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of ships they had by the end of the war.

[@hazardous8301]

Corey Micallef I don’t know where tf u got your info the lucrehulks were noted for insane shielding and it could single handed take on multiple venetors at the same time. Not to mention you’re forgetting that many of his hangers were for ground vehicles and troops. As for its weapon systems it seem like you’re thinking of pre refit lucrehulks. There only really weakness was speed.

[@coreymicallef365]

@@hazardous8301 please read the what I told the other guy. I was specifically looking at the refitted Clone Wars version of the ship.

[@hazardous8301]

Corey Micallef I don’t know what ur referencing about u talking about another reply u made but regardless you’re wrong. The Lucrehulk was cheaper to make then a Venator, was around 3-4 times the size carried hundreds of thousands more troops had 6 times the fire power 5 times the fighter and artillery vehicle compliment, and is confirmed to be capable of taking on 3+ Venator Star destroyers on its own. All of this while being able to run of a crew one 3rd the size of what was required for a Venator.

[@jeffreycarman2185]

The ship the CIS needed was a dedicated carrier. I can imagine a ship that is just a long skinny cylinder containing a drive and shields that had thousands of skinny arm/racks of Tri-fighters or Vulture and Hyena droid starfighters. Those fighters were half the cost of their manned counterparts and were unmanned so less expensive to operate. The rack carrier ships could just pop in quickly unload or drop off their racks and exit the theater of battle into hyperspace.

[@coltondodd3086]

BRUH I LOVED THAT ORIGINAL BATTLEFRONT INTRO, I miss those days

[@incook33]

I would also mention that the ships are a lower profile and will be harder to hit

[@XiasIV]

CIS: Scout ships, cargo ships, war ships , Empire: S T A R D E S T R O Y E R

[@northumbriabushcraft1208]

1:16 the 'wings' so to speak on the munificents look like tape measures lol.

[@thevegemiteoperator5902]

Love that intro, O.G Battlefront

[@mikeschmidt2526]

it is a clear miracle, that the naboo Star fighter defeat a lucrehulk, even the aren't that armed than there successor

[@magepage398]

Very late to this but I'd captain the malevolence. The malevolence was a brilliant ship used in an idiotic fashion. If I were a captain I would have demanded that it be surrounded by a fleet escort of carriers and a few cruisers for general defense to deflect the weakness of fighter counters. It would have made stealth aspects of the ship nearly impossible but I still think it would have been a much smarter move than to simply have it gun it solo and basically wait for the republic to muster enough offensive fighters to overwhelm the point defense systems

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

Oh. Oh *my.* That intro really takes me back. It's a graphic I haven't seen in... well in quite some time.

[@jeffreycarman2185]

3:45 The skeletal nature of the Munificent would have made it perfect for ferrying Vulture and Hyena droid starfighters on the exterior, many of these starfighters could probably still have been under the cover of the armor plating. These starfighters wouldn’t have been able to get refueled or have maintenance done on them, but I suspect the CIS respected their droid starfighters about as much as they respected their B-1s anyway (which was not at all) and probably assumed these starfighters were disposable anyway. So not having the ability to refuel or maintain the fighters is a feature, not a bug.

[@obe22099]

The different science fiction universes are hard to compare one on one because they all have unique laws of physics or arbitrary technical jargon that means nothing in any universe but their own. It's also so insanely massive that it doesn't need deep bass voiced narration to explain the massive technical feats of engineering and scale to prove anything. It is what it is.

[@vanyac6448]

5:53 - fend off multiple Republic Star Destroyers? Well, in Republic Commando, one was taken down by 2 Acclamators, one of which had its shields down and was heavily damaged. So IDK, was that specific Lucrehulk just never upgraded from its pre-Clone Wars configuration? Also, it's mentioned in visual dictionaries and on Wookieepedia that it takes 4-6 Recusant-class light destroyers to outgun a Venator. Plus, in the Clone Wars cartoon, I think it's pretty clear that a Venator has more firepower than a Munificent. We see in the Battle of Bothawui that in a bow-to-bow fight, with the munificent's heavy turbolasers and heavy ion canons pointing right at the Venators, that with a 2-to-1 advantage, Munificents outgun Venators. But, in the same battle, Grievous says "if we attack from above, they will have the advantage", implying that a Venator's dorsal side vs a Munificent's ventral side would take more than a 2-to-1 advantage for the Munificents to win. Still, I agree that the Separatist Navy is the most well-designed navy in Star Wars, aside from the New Republic and Galactic Alliance navies and maybe the Yuuzhan Vong fleet.

[@paulallensdemise2533]

Favourite has to be that Munificent Frigate Class👌♥️. Very nice looking ship

[@RadecKZHF]

Star wars battlefront 1 had the best loading screen.

[@jeffreycarman2185]

My favorite ship in the CIS, and maybe all of Star Wars cannon, is the Lucrehulk. I imagine myself in the post-Empire time. If I had a Lucrehulk, I’d use it for its original purpose, as a heavily armed and maximally-shielded and heavily-armored freighter, no pirate gang would dare step up to that! I would also do mercenary planetary defense on the side. I would use the massive amounts of profits to buy dozens of Correllian light freighters, it would be easiest for fleet maintenance to get all the same light freighters, like YT-2400s since they have good internal carrying capacity and can haul cargo boxes on the bottom, and are very nimble and have powerful shields and huge reactors. I would heavily modify their freighters to run anti-starfighter screening for mercenary purposes and run unescorted on smuggling and smaller legitimate freight delivery runs. For the Lucrehulk and the freighters I’d upgrade the hyperdrives to be as fast as possible for delivery and super-fast defensive response to the planets which hired me out as a mercenary. I’d probably buy a few dozen starfighter interceptors or superiority fighters, like really common ones like maybe the Z-95, but with upgrades to modernize it. For purposes of mercenary work and defense I would utilize only Ion cannons, ion torpedos, and ion bombs, so I could claim the dead ships as salvage and either add them to my fleet or sell them off, which ever suited my fancy. Like any good swashbuckler, I’d divide all of my profits and spoils evenly and equitably among my crew and the captains of my various light freighters.

[@eternal5930]

First! To say: Long Live The CIS!

[@truesonsofmandalore]

FN2199...ironic. It's treason then. TRAITORRRR!!!

[@porkchopman9560]

Dumbass

[@lawrencemiller7442]

Charge! For the Separatist Alliance!

[@anamariapintodasilva]

Long Live the CIS

[@nordic5628]

something i liked about the old clone wars comics was that you saw the republic lose battles you see many many jedi die in battle you see how at times the republic is losing the war i don't feel you get enough of that in canon

[@rokassan]

Every space battle I’ve seen in the movies and shows, the CIS loses. That damn plot armor.

[@aurathedraak7909]

*hacks the deactivation order* Well then. No Navy anymore

[@maxtoncrocks8186]

4:56 "The Lucer class battleship"?

[@alistairrae9807]

The Separatists May Have Had More But Republic Venator Star Destroyers is My Favourite

[@Troglodytarum]

That intro made me have a nostalgasm. Battlefront 1 was my jam.

[@disobey5615]

What’s messed up is, the CIS just wanted to be left alone. They saw the corruption in the senate and walked away. When other planets wanted to do the same they were listed as enemies for no real reason. I wish we could see what societies were like on those planets more. How were the poor treated, what was the daly life of those individuals?

[@kingslime6642]

I think you forgot to include one thing. the survivability of the ships. since the ships have droid crews the if there is a hull breach the ship dose not need to seal of the area. Also the droids can operate without oxygen

[@josephbarboza4257]

I would honestly love to have a Recusant destroyer of my own

[@Alpha1598753]

Wouldn't mind seeing some sort of neo CIS coming back to Star Wars

[@trenchgaming2166]

So unstoppable they made the Republics plot armour threaten to break

[@lordbrain8867]

A committed CIS navy could easily take both death stars

[@DogwoodDingus]

That intro was amazingly nostalgic I love it

[@spiderz5145]

Not gonna lie, that background music is so beautiful it made me sad.

[@lukefriesenhahn8186]

If the Sith never pulled the strings of the Confederacy, and the Jedi never went into politics, they would wipe out the Republics Grand Army instantly, and the Battle for Coruscant would have been a lot sooner. Plus the Republic would have had Acclamatiors and some early Venators, against Lukerhulk, Providence, Recusant, and Munificent class star destroyers. I have to say, the fact that the ships didn't need major life support systems, and bunks/cafeterias, etc. provided their ships with almost like spaced armor, except that hollow space was filled with cargo, or Drone-Star-fighters, along with massive Shield Generators, made their ships a really hard target to kill.

[@Awesoman66]

The Lucrehulk just seems like the one with the most bang for your buck.

[@warriorking4ever]

The Providence Class looks similar to the Subjugator Class from the Clone Wars animated series, is that intentional? Was one meant to be an upgraded version of the other?

[@roflchiefmcjoflchief1791]

Bruh that intro bring me good throwbacks like brain scrumbled kant thunk memes 2 gute

[@sulphurous2656]

CIS Navy: It just works!