How These Items RUINED Tarkov’s Late Wipe Experience

[@Gigabeef]

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[@alexmaurice4274]

How would you feel opening ammo up on flea would impact the game? I remember years ago when I first started after unlocking flea you could buy the very best ammo and it didn’t matter what level you were- you could still fight the highest level players technically. (Although having enough money for the best ammo was hard)

[@Jacob-or8rz]

Hi gigabeef, do you think you could fix or make an hk build. Ive been trying to find a build that limits the over swing with long barrel and 60s.

[@suny1265]

Seems to me like Nikita himself is the biggest Problem at BSG

[@dezenterrier]

The problem with good gear in Tarkov is that they require set of other good gear to work properly. If you find lvl 6 armor while being little Timmy it doesn't change much, since your weapon choice is poor and you have no way to obtain good helmet. Even if you kill chad player you might get set of good armor, helmet and weapon, but then only good ammo you have is that in his mags, so propably not enough for full raid. I believe that's one of the most important reason ppl have gear fear

[@waltertownshend5662]

People have gear fear because they never learned to play with lower tier weapons. Even outside of leg meta/face tapping there is plenty of 5.45 BS/BP spawning in raid, so you can still defeat armor even while you are still progressing to max traders.

[@CaprinaeSL]

I do agree, the whole "making so much powerful gear available to endgame players for relatively cheap" does make it stale for both sides as time goes on. And with the plate system regression, TTK differences were skewed a bunch since the amount of nearly best in slot plates along with the soft armors you mentioned. And on top of what you said about in-raid weapons, I truly wish that AI would be affected by gun durability. Nothing more frustrating than getting pelted from 150m by an SKS with no rear sight and mp-155 tier spread held together by wood glue and prayer.

[@CaprinaeSL]

Also, I'm seeing others say this and I do kind of agree that tier 6 should be much harder to get or made less effective. As someone who has both the SIG Spear unlocked and Kappa. Endgame gear fights are the longest they've ever been outside of a face shot, even if you are running insane pen ammo. And if you aren't? There's not much chance you're getting through the CQCM or Bastion plate that 99.9% of said players will be wearing

[@jordanbauerly8843]

But they do get effected by durability... when it reaches zero. I think its kind of stupid to give the scavs and bosses unlimited ammo, but the alternative is giving them metric assloads of bullets, or making them more accurate (please dear god no, i like being shot in the face at 100+ m on the first round as few times as possible). Giving them assloads of bullets would make it impossible to give any ai good bullets, or the game would be flooded with good ammunition. Weapon jams and malfunctions on AI would be great tho, especially if they had a voice line so you knew it was going down and could push or reposition and take advantage of a couple second window. The main issue is its very very hard to make the AI difficult, without making the AI impossible with tarkovs HP mechanics. Most of the boss type enemies are just impossible to duel and must be cheesed. The 6th sense that they have also makes stealth styles nearly impossible because they magically know your position when you aim at them. Honestly without an entire rework of the HP system... idk what the hell to do with AI.

[@SplarcieRS]

@@CaprinaeSL imo its not stale. if you're quest locked from good gear, or you cant afford the keys to go to the good spots. You can find good ammo to take out the people that DO have these good items, letting you use them if you want to. and you dont have to use these items everyone uses anyways, you can run level 4 plates and as long as your ammo is good enough to put your opponent down, it doesnt matter what they have. TTK will be short if you're always running optimal ammo. lvl 5 pen is a must if youre not running lvl 6 pen. or just scatter the ammo like lvl 6 pen first round and the next two rounds lvl 3-4 pen, you wont waste as much of that good ammo and you dont have to run spear/mdrs all day every day either. youll have enough pen to put down anyone with real armor, giving you the ability to 1 tap people still, while also letting you spray people in the armor and know that you will damage the armor at least, then pen for sure every couple rounds. that also lets it so if you run through a mag on one guys armor, you're tearing his armor up. no front plates would be left after the first mag if they survived. blunt dmg and pen combo. compared to start of wipe it is stale but late wipe it doesnt feel stale, theres always more people running more random things at the start of the wipe

[@Lu_Kitsuray]

To be honest, i generally don't enjoy late wipe mainly because the viabillity of most guns and ammo is just close to zero. We always only had like 3-5 guns that were really good in late-wipe and I'm pretty sure this remains a consistent issue. I think, aside from some ammo buffs to lower performinc rounds like 5.45, we also need some more higher RPM guns for certain calibers or just more ammos with better pen values for calibers that simply lack these things. AK's with 800-900 RPM or higher pen ammo on for example 12.7x55 (Ash-12), Shotguns or 9x21 could make these calibers at least a contestor in the late wipe. I also keep saying that the current armor system basically brought us back to how we were BEFORE the armor plate system. It's kinda just throwing the most expensive stuff at each other because everyhting else is not viable in comparison to the rest. The first iteration of plates certainly had it's issues but it made you way less reliant on using high-pen ammo because there were various hitboxes where you medium-pen stuff could still fire through.

[@nrares21]

"We always only had like 3-5 guns that were really good in late-wipe and I'm pretty sure this remains a consistent issue." Yep, that's my problem with the game as well... everything revolves around money, stuff doesn't have a separate meaning/purpose etc so when everyone's pockets are full, they will always default to 3-5 good weapons/gear/armor and that's that, it's also normal, but it kidna sucks that everything else just loses meaning.

[@belaklosterlein7506]

I think it's fine that there are a group of weapons that can be considered "the best" as long as they aren't accessible on demand for rubles. Them being easily accessible makes everyone use them -> reducing variety. The diversity in early game exists because low-mid tier weapons are easily accessible but high tier weapons are only randomly found on AI or from looting containers.

[@Jacob-vg2hh]

Honestly they should add guns like the VZ-51, a czech gun with similar customisability as the AKM but takes its own mags and fires 7.62x39 at 900 rpm (also has last bolt open like the sks) Another gun i like i think would be nice is the AK-107/8/9 series, while simultaneously nerfing 7.62x51 recoil For 7.62x51 guns, they would have the sme prob as the SVD where you cant have low recoil and good ergo at the same time And the sig spear, just ban it from the flea or ban the supressor while making sig hybrid harder to get (lightkeeper unlock like the spear)

[@dic-vr2mx]

I wish they bring back the old plate system with some changes to chest hitboxes but i doubt it.

[@jerryjuutalainen1783]

Or you know since they have buffed armor return all AP ammo to traders. 338 AP, M61, M993, M995, 7N40, SNB etc that way we'll see more guns be used since ammo makes guns viable in tarkov not attachments.

[@josiahkepley]

Most weapons were viable and tier 5 was common until the armor change. It had been the only wipe ever where the meta was only barely better than other options and nearly any loadout was justifiable.

[@nrares21]

True, this is because of the armor changes, making the armor yet again a "win-all" button. This wasn't an issue before the hitboxes change, because ther armor suddenly couldn't protect you the same way it did, so you'd die a lot more in the process, thus armor just wasn't as important anymore. Therefore > Variety! Now it's very important, therefore > Meta!

[@YNorth]

oh yes, love getting two tapped to my thorax by m855 when im wearing level 6 armor from head to toe. the old old armor system was the best way

[@deezboyeed6764]

​@YNorth wah wah wah, plates are only so big they shouldnt cover the entire of your front.

[@deezboyeed6764]

Unfortunately alot of people cried about armour because they have a skill issue and rely upon it as a crutch

[@Totaluser1]

Yea the side of my chest outside of the plate definiely is full of vitals and should allow you to die in 1-2 shots. You cant have realistic armor and not have realistic damage/hitboxes to match, it just makes it unrealistic in the other direction ​@deezboyeed6764

[@deezboyeed6764]

@@Totaluser1 fucking lmao, did you really just claim... fucking hell

[@petronagon]

If I didn’t have to have max traders and play 40 hours a week minimum to get some halfway usable ammo I don’t think class 6 would be an issue. That being said I don’t have any ammo unlocked to penetrate class 6 armor and I die regularly because of this. I’m also bad.

[@br0leg274]

On the otherhand it took me 250 raids to get lvl 42. So it would be 83,5 hr if I get 3 raids per hour.

[@АндрейМочалов-щ9р]

The thing is. When you DO have ammo capable of dealing with class 6 PVP playes out exacly how it played in the begining of this wipe with realistic plate hitboxes. If you got cought in someone's crosshair out in the open - you die. It was a norm for this game way back in the days. High end pvp was hard, because you were punished for bad positioning and bad movement real fast. The only problem with that was - lower lvl players were pretty much a cannon fodder and hadd to get out of you way or be stomped. HOWEVER, even earlier than that - all ammo were available on flea market, and anyone could buy good ammo, if he had money. So it gave casuals more options to deal with fully armored chads. And those chads were crying very loud about that. The whole problem right now is a small, but very vocal minority of no lifers (some with the ability to complain directly to nikita) who want the game become EASIER as they grind up. And easier in PVP means - they should kill faster and die longer. Wich, obiviously, is bad experience for anyone else who interact with them in the game.

[@br0leg274]

@@АндрейМочалов-щ9р very true. At this point i already came to the conclusion: we don’t need the FM anymore. There is no FM access to the good stuff which can compete with late game. So the real reason for FM to get earlier access to the better gear/ammo is negated. Close the FM, to avoid to be abused and make some ppl ultra rich and put all the stuff to the traders. And the real highend stuff to the bosses and rare spawns . So also the traders getting a meaning back…

[@alexellis197]

@@br0leg274 Gonna be honest, that would be an experiment I would like to see. Sure, it makes it take longer to grind out some mats for hideout, but it doesn't really reduce player interactivity. It also would remove an entire rep system and reduce overhead by removing the price rules programming. This is coming from someone who is casual playing, by the by. Players already interact within raid a lot. The flea arguably reduces positive interaction and increases negative interaction since getting an item you want to flea for cash makes you far more paranoid of getting out. No flea also means that it bottlenecks no lifer gamers on cash flow. They have to work and take significant risks to get things done. Long story short, I'd be curious to see this happen and see how it shakes up the meta in the current iteration of Tarkov. Making gigachads and no lifers actually have to hunt for their top end gear and ammo would mean that there are more opportunities to exploit their split attention or their lack of tier 6 gear. So, it might make casuals a little more competitive. Maybe. It might massively increase ratting, though, so it might make a bit salt mine.

[@br0leg274]

@@alexellis197 that’s the way tarkov was before 2019 without the FM and way before the streamer hype. The value of a good raid was 250k and ppl played more carefully because they know they could only lose 4 m4s in 2,5hr till the next trader refresh. There was no buy , die , rebuy form an unlimited source like the FM. Gear got an value and not just a pricetag and if you billed someone with a meta kit it was the jackpot. But this is longtime ago. Oh and for the hideout grind they could also implement an Trader who sells or trade crafting stuff. But these are only my wishes and not of the majority of the playerbase

[@big_fella1548]

In my opinion with almost 2k hrs in this game I just recently started a PvE with my friends where I’m doing a no flea market run and honestly it’s opened my eyes to the fact they should either erase the flea or make it barter only that alone would severely slow down wipe progression because you actually have to find what you need/want in raid or get it from traders makes the game feel way more natural because you don’t become so strong at lvl 15 and instead slowly get stronger based on trader rep and what you actually scavenge

[@big_fella1548]

Then add a live PvP option that doesn’t wipe for players that can’t sink 100+ hrs per wipe because the only 2 things that are attracting people to PvE from what I see online is no wipes and no cheating obviously cheating will never be solved people cheat in every game because they don’t have any tegridy

[@Penice-rj8wd]

Flea marked at first took away that looting part of Tarkov completely. Literally first wipe it was introduced into the game i haven’t completed single task and yet was able to play with whatever i want. Fir and some restrictions at least forced to unlock lvl 4 traders but still i still can play with whatever the hell i want. But back in no flea wipes it was so much more interesting to play because you actually had to look up for stuff, weapons, modifications and etc. I will never forget how i wanted to play with vss at least once but you could either find it in raid or barter it on lvl4 prapor, and as i remember it was very expensive trade at that moment. I actually spent literal MONTH to find one, and it was rewarding af because vss was straight laser beam that could 2 tap everything on its way. I just wish we can get that gameplay back, when tarkov was actual survival extractor shooter

[@PLAYER2035]

I actually miss the 762x39 BP Mutant and Ghzel meta from 2 wipes ago...

[@RattyReserve]

anything up to tier 6 should be found in raid (Edit) I meant any armor/cosmetics that are tier 6 should be Found in raid only. instead of constantly having rich chads purchasing tier 6 armor over and over.

[@yeetamis0987]

Or everything should be available on flea

[@Jeffery3464]

Make the altyn great again

[@ilyaskr8048]

So it will be available for gigachads and no-lifers only Great plan

[@Accuracy158]

Up to tier 6... so everything considering tier 6 is the highest. 😄 I still like the idea of still having a flea for barter items and such maybe just remove armor/weapons/attachments/ammo.

[@RattyReserve]

@@ilyaskr8048 no everyone has an equal chance to find it in a raid.

[@sixtyinsix]

Why not adjust this from a different viewpoint? Instead of adjusting what's mentioned in the video consider this: Increase leg meta weapons availability? Also increase ammo purchase amount limitations? Loadouts might start becoming very interesting.

[@torry2]

Ammo availability basically drives the meta for weapons. People run 762nato and spear because you can just buy those bullets from traders. All the other high tier bullets gotta be crafted or found which is not really a viable way to have enough ammo to run every day.

[@waltertownshend5662]

SMG ammunition types need a big availability buff. IMO there should be no personal limit on small caliber rounds and 9x19 RIP should be added to peacekeeper.

[@JohnnyWishbone85]

With peace, love and respect for everything you do for the Tarkov community... Streamer: **Helps define the meta.** Also streamer: "Here's why the meta sucks." We love you, Mr. Beef, but you walked into that one. 🤣

[@purple__squad1578]

3:05 Having an "Ending" to tarkov could really help with the feeling of burnout, "Beating" a wipe which results giving you extra rewards for the next wipe or an account reset could make it awesome.

[@Grauer1510]

A prestige system is going to be implemented where you get rewards by "whiping yourself" but there are some hefty conditions to meet before you are able to and you get to keep the rewards and prestige levels for ever. Other than that... the Kappa case is "the Ending" for me personally. 😅

[@tristanhicks9824]

You scroll through every post about armor and just see people hating the new system. They bloated armor values to incorporate a new system and then reverted it to the old system without reverting values, so all armor is just freakishly tanky now. We either need new hitboxes to not die from fleeting hits to your armpit or just give up and revert to the original armor system.

[@АндрейМочалов-щ9р]

Honestly, the whole armpit meme is just a meme. I used a variety of different plates and vest with the new system. And dieing to armpit was a very rare occasion. Most of the time it was thorax hits that didnt collide with the plate. And i was completely fine with that. Most of the time it actually made sence because of the angle of the shots and my positioning. People usually aim and shoot in the upper torso, slightly under the head, so there is a hight chance to land a hit in the collarbone area, wich were not covered by the plate. Maybe they should have just increased the plate hitboxews a little and made them all universal size. But the addition in internal sperical hitbox, that completely cover the thorax was plain stupid. We didnt need that at all.

[@Tyler-sl6vg]

I think if they just went back to the last (improved) armor system we'd be set. It was more realistic and and made more guns viable. In that scenario I would be okay with making class 6 armor more rare. Not now tho. You gotta have that class 6 on the front or else you're gonna loose every time you can't make a headshot to the guy that has it and he's probably played a couple thousand hours more than you so you're definitely gonna loose then. The system at the start of patch 14 was great just needed a little more tweaking. Hope it's back for 15.0.

[@kalailukala]

Surely it's just boring to run the same stuff every raid. If I don't use the meta gear, I feel like I'm at a disadvantage, but if I run MDR or Spear every raid it gets boring eventually. Any other gun I want to use just isn't gonna work when half the server is wearing tier 6 armor. So, I think making the super good stuff harder to get would be good, so people will use what they have, instead of crafting 10 cpc mods and filling a item case with cult termites. (Definitely did not do this myself). Having infinite money at the end of wipe is going to happen, but just buying all the best stuff each time isn't good for anyone.

[@alexmaurice4274]

Yeah agreed. I do wish it was better for lower level players but this level 6 plates every single enemy is fkn rough

[@pityu2137]

or they should just buff most of the calibers pens 5.45 5.56 and 7.62x39 feels extremely week they should also tweak their flesh dmg because even if they pen the barely do any dmg after the dmg was reduced by the armor and 7.62x39 feels like it wont even register sometimes especially on ais

[@deezboyeed6764]

Or they could have left the hit boxes as they are and not listen too the skill issues

[@takingday]

I think I would have loved it so they kept what they started with the armor plate system but remove the armpit hitbox and make it so armors could have variance in effectiveness like a class 3 armor could be be more like Class 3.7 that way soft armors could be better but not OP and in some of the heaviest armors that have terrible debuffs and weight add class 4 soft armor to the thorax and also make it so some plate carriers could be worn over soft armor vests as long as the vest does not have plates in it.

[@dionysus6081]

They could always open up the gates to the great equalizer... the ks23m.

[@SubjektSechzehn]

This!

[@demonicexile]

As a way to combat the endless re-circulation of top end gear maybe add restrictions on what can be insured? Like traders aren't willing to insure anything above class 4 armor for example with other things like the OP face masks and the bastion cover and others being added to a restricted item list?

[@Wibbum]

I actually think the armor hit-box revisions ruined the wipe. This is just a by-product.

[@GrimmFilmEnt]

Tarkov was ruined with the last armor update. Prior to it, almost every mid-tier ammo and almost all weapons were viable and the game was insanely fun. You could run anything against anyone. Now, only meta weapons and meta ammo works and the game is reduced to people running the same gear, over and over again. That's BSG in a nutshell, one step forward, two steps back. I mean, putting buckshot into someone's face and they survive because they're wearing a mask? Gimme a break. The Death Shadow and CQCM need balancing, they should have similar visual impairment like the Maska-1SCh face shield and extra armor plate on the Bastion should come with heavy ergo penalties like slower turn speed. Repair mechanics need rework as well, limiting the use of masks and helmet armors after they've been hit with heavier caliber. To me, it all comes back to armor rework. The game was popping when variety was introduced. As is, it's just "meta kit" raids.

[@bloodchain80]

The armor was good before they made the plate hitboxs bigger. The only issue the last system had was scavs aimbotting you in your armpit and tapping you dead easily in the chest because of how the chest hitbox works. The chest hitbox itself needs to be segmented into vital and non-vital

[@jeevil42]

The armor wasn’t good, it was just useless lol

[@br0leg274]

@@jeevil42learn to use cover

[@jeevil42]

@@br0leg274 are u an advocate of the best armor in the game being tier 3?

[@TimmyInTarky]

@@jeevil42 yes

[@bloodchain80]

@jeevil42 useless in the eyes of the beholder. With the old armor I had people tank bullets when ammo hit armor. That's more prevalent now than ever. You only felt like armor was useless in the cases where it didn't protect you and not in the cases when it actually did. So many bitch and complained about the armor before modular plates, they then we got modular plates... guess what people bitched about it when we got them too. Thus they got buffed. Then now they are bitching about them being buffed. The majority of the times people say armor is worthless is when they don't survive an engament. Not when they do survive it. Best way to survive an encounter. 1. Don't shift+w around a corner. 2. Don't get shot is a great way to not die, armor is not meant to be a catch all for everything. If you want that go play an arcade shooter where your whole body is armored.

[@JsGarage]

More like how the armor changes ruined the late wipe… wild how many shots can be eaten if you don’t hit the head.

[@ganthrithor]

I'm just so annoyed that they reformed the armor system to make high-end armor less of a win-all button, then chickened out and went back to armor just covering almost the entire body again. Really disappointing. If people were complaining "bUt I sPeNt 20m rUbleS on my KITTTT and I cAn sTilL DIE!!1!?" they can just, you know... quit. That's what diminishing returns is: yes you can spend a hundred times more on your kit than some guy in L4 with an AK-74, yes it's possible that it could soak up a bunch of extra bullets, but yes it's also possible that it might not. Were people just refusing to sweat it out to high levels because it "wasn't worth it anymore" to get better gear? If that's the case, is that even necessarily bad for the community? Do we care that much if the top 1% of players quits a wipe early? I guess BSG do because they might lose streamers? IDK I also fundamentally don't understand the whole notion of, "I unlocked every item so I quit because there was nothing to do." What do you mean there's nothing to do? It's a PvP game-- don't you play because shooting at other players is fun? What do people mean that they got bored because they finished the quests or have every item? Quests are annoying and items are just tools that let you go human-hunting... it's not a trophy-collecting game. I really don't get it.

[@memojm141]

For many people, myself included, the fun part of Tarkov is not primarily shooting others for the sake of it and killing them (although a good PvP can always be fun). Instead, the entertaining aspect is the entire game with all its systems, the progression, economy and having objectives to accomplish. Completing missions is not tedious in itself, nor are the inventory systems mere tools; they are an integral part of the game that adds extra depth. If you find the missions tedious and only enjoy the shooting part, perhaps Tarkov is not for you, and you have a player profile more suited to Call of Duty, where you can join a match, shoot other players, and that’s it-no tedious missions to complete, inventory to manage, progression, etc. In my particular case, I do get bored at the endgame when I’ve unlocked everything. As Gigabeef mentioned, the fun part is the journey, not the destination. Without missions to do or interesting things to unlock, I find there is a lack of motivation to even join a match. Entering just to kill other players doesn’t hold much interest for me, which is why I don’t play more basic shooters-they become boring to me after a short time. I imagine this could improve significantly once they complete the gameplay cycle and allow players to literally “Escape from Tarkov.” Even after unlocking everything, I would still have things to do until I achieve that ultimate final objective and “complete the game” while enjoying that endgame gear. But until that happens, the endgame currently feels empty. There is no tangible external motivation to make use of those unlockables.

[@deathbringer9893]

I know alot of over level 50 people who have fun with the adventure aspect of tarkov pvp is not the main focus for many

[@belaklosterlein7506]

The problem to me wasn't that the armor was too bad, it was that the armor was unreliable. The plates sometimes ate 5-6 good rifle bullets such as 5.45 BP or 5.56 56A1 but other times they didn't. I think that the thorax should have been divided into torso and vital organs, making only the stronger armored vitals kill if blacked. Or they could have left the old system in place but tARkoV NeeDS ReAliSm.

[@LittleDanny9899]

For me and my Mates a big Part about why Tarkovs PVP is Good is The loss/gain you can make. I mean The Gunplay and everything is not bad (especialy since we got rid of the Old Recoil) but it frankly also is not that Amazing that it would be worth it to go trought all the other asspects if not for the Adrenaline etc it offers and the only Reason it Offers Adrenaline is that there could be Loss/Gain but once you anyway have the best stuff wheter i win or loose its gonna change nothing i go into the next raid with the same Items i anyway have the money to just buy it etc. and a lot of stuff like Looting also losses a lot of its Meaning since you can realy find anything usefull, Yes you might find something worth money but that is not a struggle anyway. Its kinda Like Taking a Game like Diablo Or path of Exile and then playing once you are done with your build. (as in Fully done best stuff you can have) so you just get rid of a Major part of the game

[@АндрейМочалов-щ9р]

Some people treat this game as ARPG. And then get frustrated when their grind didnt made them invinsible.... in FPS game. It will be funny to hear all of the old complains about armor again. Soon everyone will just spray and pray with high rmp guns to have a higher chance of sending one bullet to the face and "armor will not matter" again.

[@cddevelopment363]

If you’re worried about BT ammo to the top of the head, then yes the bastion is a good choice. However you can sacrifice a little top of head protection to gain ultimate face and jaws protection. I prefer to run Airframe Helmet + Chops + multi hit face shield + condors + death shadow. You can still run headphones and you can take a lot of rounds to the face without dying.

[@sk8c]

12:08 IM SCREAMING AND CRYING THAT SCAV THREW A NADE AND YOU DIDNT REACT TO IT

[@belaklosterlein7506]

where did it go though??

[@TimmyInTarky]

@@belaklosterlein7506 On the left of the ladder on the left on the screen. But didn't explode. On the other hand, I stopped playing because I got tired of scav-nade-throw desync on the server the scav has thrown the nade, but on your end you have killed him before he even pulls the nade out, so you get killed by an invisible ninja nade and only see it on the medical screen. Good job, Nikitka and your close to half o'second server'client desync in a 20ms server ping, great stuff!

[@sk8c]

@@belaklosterlein7506 the scav threw the nade and you can see it in the bottom left by the wall

[@sk8c]

@@TimmyInTarky the amount of silent scav nades ive died to since the update to scav ai on the pvp branch is insane

[@Swarmofflies]

I -Love- the idea of boss weapons and special armour having one of the rare extra perks! Would make boss fights really thrilling!

[@alarminglyfastmovingskelet7289]

Just one of many of the consequences brought by the simplification of the armor system. Feel like a citizen in the galaxy during the clone wars.

[@tetchedskate3366]

Making armor almost useless is definitely not the best fix for this issue (and yes, armor was almost useless in the previous armor system, which was proven by the fact that you almost never had a zeroed out plate). Just making the best gear not as easy to constantly use would be way more effective, and wouldn’t lead to so many instant deaths caused by 1 lucky shot, rather than a skilled face shot. Making systems more complicated usually creates more problems that it fixes them

[@alarminglyfastmovingskelet7289]

@@tetchedskate3366 That’s the problem, is armor was not almost useless. Why is the issue of armor so binary to some people? Just because it can’t save you 100% of the time doesn’t make it useless. But regardless the health system obviously needed an overhaul. I don’t think getting one tapped in the armpit, shoulders, etc. is fun nor realistic either. But I’d prefer that to how it is now. This is the worst time in Tarkovs history to start early/mid wipe, I don’t think many would argue against that.

[@tetchedskate3366]

@@alarminglyfastmovingskelet7289 it absolutely was almost useless. The fact that we’d rarely even come close to zeroing out a plate proved that. Plus, that armor system was a complex semi realistic system, that was put over the top of a VERY unrealistic health system. Which led to the overall experience to be unrealistic. Stop advocating for a worse game

[@alarminglyfastmovingskelet7289]

@@tetchedskate3366 The armor system as it stands now is literally indefensible. It is fun for absolutely nobody. It's getting boring and stale for higher level players while people further behind in the progression have to try significantly harder regardless of skill. Wake up, nobody is having fun, the game can't get much worse.

[@tetchedskate3366]

@@alarminglyfastmovingskelet7289 and all of those problems can be fixed by limiting meta armor. It’s like you’re running headfirst into the point, and still failing to see it.

[@KozakGFX]

I feel like having tier 6 gear should feel special. Like looting a container and seeing it has a tier 6 plate inside and you get excited because it's not commonly used.

[@sqorng]

As always, when "remove this remove that" comes up, before all that you need to add loot spawns and edit loot tables, and then make it so it's not a slot machine if you get anything worth the time

[@Gigabeef]

100%. Easy to say, hard to do though

[@kylehare5699]

6k hours, since initial release and im just not feeling this change at all. Previous system had some issues, but i would rather be one tapped becuase i was dumb or unlucky, then have timmy light me up 36 times, and do 86 damage

[@Goldieczech]

As a streamer that literally makes tarkov his bread and butter, your opinion is highly skewed in your favor. People that dont play more than 4h a day, dont see these that often. Sure it is late wipe and it should look like it. You want to remove item from flea andd traders so that average joe does not get to use it, basically, ever. But you get to run them if they would be only FIR like you want them to. Thus making the problem even worse.

[@Gigabeef]

I play 10h per week - also my suggestions are intended to make it more likely that lower level players can get them. If you couldn't buy them directly from the trader via barter, I assure you the high end boys would be hurting much more. Right now you have to either pay 300k on the flea, or get to 42+. I don't see how this is a good system for the average player

[@AfkaSound]

Iv not played in like 2 months and this is literally the gear my pmc has on rn now.

[@awdlkmrfsefcxvg]

It is kinda bad

[@alexmaurice4274]

I can agree with both sides here. On one hand I hate removing stuff from flea market- ESPECIALLY guns. Ammo tbh I wouldn’t be totally against either at least then someone could buy a few good bullets to put at the top of magazines. As of now low levels can’t buy good ammo, can’t buy good weapons, and has to rely on bad weapons and leg damage to kill people.

[@PartyCrasher04]

@@Gigabeefbeing able to spend 300k on them id a good thing because ur average player can sell them on the flea market, its so much more profitable when a timmy kills a geared guy now.

[@fuze3107]

I mean it's late wipe.. a time There are Grenade launchers and Lapaua magnum on ground zero (pre level 15 one btw) so a item that can tank most assault rifle AP round isn't gonna make as much of a difference.

[@АндрейМочалов-щ9р]

Imo, if BSG want to stick with this arcade halo force field armor then they need to re-do the whole concept of how armor works. Any other game make armor into a % damage reduction, not into completely blocking the damage. And this is the problem, and ALWAYS was. One reasitic aspect of the armor (blocking damage) goes TOGETHER with its inherit downside (It can only cover so much). We cant have one without the other and expect no problems with the gameplay. So they should just get rid of it and make it into a damage REDUCTION. Or the durability of the plates needs to be greatly reduced across the board to make TTK more consistent. Personally, i'd prefer the realistic hitboxes and balance HP pools and ammo damage according to that. This is the only way to keep all kinds of weapons and ammo viable for the whole wipe.

[@braveltd]

good thing that changed now. you can't buy bastion lvl 6 plate

[@alexmaurice4274]

Tarkov reallly should add another in thorax hit box that the plate covers only. That being said I get how that’s complicated

[@ilyaskr8048]

It will make fps even lower

[@alexmaurice4274]

Idk how they can do it but late wipe is the rough. There’s no weapon or ammo variety. If you are low level with a level 3 or 4 armor and bad guns/ammo you can attempt leg meta (that is weaker than it used to be) and maybe get lucky but ur gonna be at such a big disadvantage. I will say back in the day you could buy a few rounds of top tier ammo once unlocking flea and at least have a chance to compete even if you could only afford 20 rounds of good ammo

[@ilyaskr8048]

Just don’t W+Fire Play strategic and even with PPSh you can overplay chads. Tarkov about that.

[@alarminglyfastmovingskelet7289]

This might be getting off-topic but I think you bring up a very interesting point in this video. The point that Tarkov is at its best while you actively have something to work towards. Many people like yourself have said that the end-game has gotten better over the years, but in my opinion Tarkov is straying further and further away from this idea gradually. The fact that you can fully kit yourself out in the best-in-slot gear before even entering the game is a direct contradiction to this idea. Even just having the traders in-raid would improve this significantly, but as long as things like the terrible ammo economy and flea market exist the entire purpose of playing the game will be gone if you play long enough. Everyone always talks about how great Tarkov feels at the beginning of a wipe, but then when you suggest things like removing the flea market and having traders not sell top-tier ammo and suddenly everyone's mind changes. It's a weird phenomenon in this community where people think that even despite potential restrictions that streamers will end up with best in slot stuff no matter what, and because of this misconception people actively fight against the changes that they would otherwise support. Like Gigabeef said in this video guys, what makes Tarkov fun is the journey and quite frankly there really shouldn't even be a destination.

[@jeffy141]

Wise words.

[@Act1veSp1n]

This is a problem because the best ammo is behind insane quests.

[@deepspacewanderer9897]

Areas with concentrated super-high-tier loot (like KIBA) effectively add a high cost and somewhat low availability super-high-tier loot. Such loot, for most people, is a way of trading a disproportionate amount of money for extra player power and/or survivability for activities where said extra power and/or survivability is critical. They would be much more usefull if Tarkov had more than, like 10-15 activities that require that (no death PMC kill quests, The Guide, tasks/HO upgrades that require rare FiR items that have specific spawn areas,...), and if they werent mostly endgame ones (like, make Tarkov shooter 3 optional, but add a death limit, add more FiR only items with specific spawn areas as HO upgrade requirements,...).

[@verySharkey]

I think on some lvl BSG agrees with you. But often enough we end up with a simple equation "A beats B so A is broken, let's ban A" > "A isn't available in great quantity so B beats C and nothing consistently beats B so let's ban B" -> etc. For some reason or other we never end up in a state where A beats B but B isn't necessarily better vs C. I think the reason for this is how high tier ammo works? High tier ammo is find only so basically nobody uses it, think MAI AP, SSA AP, M993, M995. All those bullets typically sport really high penetration with lower damage than their low level counterparts. This leads to them being essentially obsolote against anything but the highest class of armor. If we now remove this highest class of armor from trader rotations and make them find in raid, top tier ammo follows along because against lower tier armor this ammo punishes you more than it rewards you. So the moment good armor becomes too rare to be met on the regular, the next best ammo to defeat class 5 easily or the next class 5 takes that "too tough to kill" spot.

[@tibbay]

The best way ive found to avoid the stale late game loop is to artificially induce a challenge and goals. This is my first wipe, and im currently level 51 with all the gear and weapons I could want, with roughly 90m roubles currently. They way I keep things fresh is running budget/cheap loadouts during normal raids, with the aim of taking down more kitted players and to get out with a significant gear upgrade. Then, when a hectic or fun event comes out (like the bosses at resort), i use my high end gear to compete in the events. It makes items feel as if they have a purpose, and keeps things fun. The biggest downside in all honestly is cheater frequency during events, and player scavs swarming them. It means that new players such as myself know going into lucrative events that we will likely lose our nice kits to cheaters or player scav armies. In my honest opinion, the counter of chads having a monopoly on top end ammo and gear is to progressively raise the value of gear spawning in raids as the wipe progresses. It ensures those who cant play every day have a chance to compete late wipe, and still provides the advantage of having cheaper trader items for those who grinded early wipe. As for what traders should or shouldnt sell, i firmly believe lightkeeper has a negative impact. While its an awesome concept, only the players who grind the most gain access to him. He should offer discounted prices, not exclusive items no others sell. I also believe a system involving "gear value" or "score" needs to be implemented. Make a standard mode in which gear value doesnt matter, but add a "high value" mode in which a certain value of gear is required to load in. This would alleviate some of the casual players being bullied by high end players, and offers an outlet for sweats to focus on PvP and gaining valueble kits. Other extractuon games do this in some way, like Dungeonborne gear score gating, and Hunt Showdown having MMR. This would also aid in giving casual players a shot at killing bosses, as your average raid, most bosses are dead within 3 minutes. This is just my thoughts as a timmy who has sunk 500 hours this wipe to learn as much as possible.

[@rumori7072]

High time to kill is a positive change to this game sorry to those who can't aim for head or enjoy not one shotting or getting one shot every fight

[@belaklosterlein7506]

The boss gun idea is great! Stuff like 5-10% higher ROF, bullet velocity, lower recoil, ergo would be cool to see and would make their loot unique.

[@PartyCrasher04]

True, they should have sum custom made shit, they already have customized make believe armor and welding masks that can somehow eat bullets so why not this? Good idea man.

[@thundermuffin71]

Its nice to actually have fights thay last a while now tho. I like having the ability to live a few shots

[@dion177]

Tarkov is a gamedesigner's nightmare, it is nearly impossible balance it, and new armor system/flea changes don't help at all

[@Accuracy158]

I don't agree with every decision but I do generally think they move in positive direction. The December wipe actually felt really good even at time I didn't think I was that interested in playing.

[@BlindxSide]

I've given up on any discussions about balance in Tarkov. The community has made suggestions for years and years and years, and BSG fails to do literally anything at all to balance the game properly or make progression good. The fact that players are running these kinds of kits and loadouts raid after raid is a major flaw with the game that has never been resolved. Infinite ability to make money and buy or acquire any item you want has been a problem with the game since it's inception. I miss the days before the flea market. Too easy to make money. Bitcoin farm and ability to craft moonshines is pretty ridiculous. Tarkov shouldn't have any guaranteed money makers. STALKER Anomaly does traders perfectly. Each trader reset has a % stock on items, so some items are rare to appear at traders, and some common items even have a chance to not appear. Plus you can't just magically buy any item in the game and have it in an instant.

[@Penice-rj8wd]

Flea market must be deleted

[@SpectreMK23]

Thank you for this. I just hope they're listening.

[@therere365]

I actually disagree that the CQCM is less impactful than the bastion + slap plate. I’ve had way more shots ricochet off of the CQCM than the slap plate when in a head to head fight. They probably have the same ricochet chance so my anecdote only means so much, but if someone’s not running a bastion + slap they’re running a cqcm, and it definitely saves people and has saved me many times.

[@anotherkenlon]

The game was better during the period where you could shoot around plates.

[@hypotheticalsinglewoody]

Great analysis on why and HOW items are OP.

[@McC1oudv2]

What's the best way to protect the throat, I only die to throat shots. I even get 1 tapped with a Zabralo

[@PLAYER2035]

The whole debate about tier 6 can be solved so easily by reducing the effectiveness of tier 6 by say 20% , and tier 5 by maybe 10% to provide a more linear grading between armors.

[@alexmaurice4274]

Damn that’d be nice maybe they could rebalance a few ammo types if they need to with that change but overall that’d be nice. I think in general lvl5 should be the baseline and level 6 should be more rare

[@alexzhang9468]

they just need to change bullets and make teir 6 more rare tier 6 should be this good its just that there is no access to good bullets

[@ilyaskr8048]

@@alexzhang9468 It was that in .13 Then they nerf all armour in .14 and remove good ammo for balance. And in early wipe it was balanced well actually. And then they buffed armour but good ammo still removed from traders.

[@АндрейМочалов-щ9р]

20% is not enought. They already nerfed armor in arena for 30%. It helped..... a little. And not for all of the weapons. I still get insane 10 or 15+ hit counts with no kill. Armor is extremely, retardedly durable. Its not supposed to be this durable and cover the entire torso, simple as that. They need to MASSIVELY reduce the durability of the plates. Or rework the ammo and give every bullet separate flat armor damage stat and balance the how fast plates go via that.

[@r3mxd]

no

[@Dan____]

I could debate this for hours. I feel like they took too much good ammo away to counter the class 6, the solution is in the game, I have less than 200 rounds of FIR m61 and can't seem to get the tags out alive fir of level 50 plus bears for trophies. Change that quest to kills not tags of each faction and 5 tags. I've played all wipe and I'm level 67. Let us craft igolnik, and 995. They are the solution to the plates. Last wipe no one ever ran class 6 coz it was too expensive and didn't help for the most part. Why repeat that again, class 6 needs a place in the game. How it is now is actually fine, we just need the access to the ammo to deal with it. Put the crafts for igolnik and 995 behind level 50 quests so it's not in the game too soon. And it will balance itself out. As for the bastion slap plate they added the neck hitbox. So the target is the same as it was before just slightly lower. The bastion probably only saves me 1 in 3 deaths. And class 3 on the neck late wipe is pointless. There is also something funky going on with arms and hit reg, I had a weekly to thorax scavs on shoreline, perfect I said. Axmc and fmj. I don't think I got a single thorax kill in 1 shot. Ended up just using an sv98 with bt because it was more effective. So I don't think it's just the plate causing the issues when half the scavs I shot had class 3 or even no armor.

[@icey_b1562]

2 things that would change this: have more wipes per year and getting rid of the flea + limiting what can be bought from traders. Make farming items in raid more important. Want class 6 armor? Go find it off an AI or find it in a locked room.

[@owencaldwell3260]

If we just had less restrictions on items, such as good ammo. This wouldn’t be a problem. Late wipe is supposed to be top tier guns ammo and gear, but you can’t buy 95% of top tier ammo making the meta a handful of guns

[@Penice-rj8wd]

Late wipe is supposed to be about 3 guns and 5-6 gear options? Can people like you stop playing tarkov please 🙏

[@alexmaurice4274]

You shouldn’t be able to run a fast with a mandalorian mask, a death shadow, and condors all at once + ear protection too

[@jwanikpo]

All of those dont even help against more than pistol rounds though

[@br0leg274]

@@jwanikpoit’s not the pen why we wear this. It’s the 3x chance to bounce that bullet.

[@lolomat55]

The t6 plates are not the problem here, the problem is that there is only 4 usable good ammo types now that are buyable from traders (ps12b, m62, hybrid, 762,54 bt). In the case of ps12b you don’t even get enough for one raid and can’t mix it with other ammo because the other ones suck. The other ammo types high tier ammo types that would be viable like 55a1, m61, 300blkap, 762bp or even 545 Bp are craft or fir only. These ammos craft only wouldn’t be that bad if the crafts wouldn’t take like 7h for like 80 Bp rounds. Not to mention that some of the crafts are behind really annoying and frustrating quests. The simple solution would be to give ammo like 55a1, 545bp and 762bp back to traders and make the highest tier ammo like bs, 995, m61, mai ap and blkap more available with crafts that give more and take like max 5h for like 200 rounds.

[@АндрейМочалов-щ9р]

If you give good ammo back, those people who cried about "armor not working because someone killed me with M855" will cry again about "armor not working because someone killed me with M995".

[@lolomat55]

@@АндрейМочалов-щ9р I never said the should give 995 to traders, it should just be craftable in a certain amount so you can run a mix of 55a1 and 995 in between trader resets. Ammo like 855a1 bp should be purchasable

[@АндрейМочалов-щ9р]

@@lolomat55 crafting is same as buying from traders with extra steps.

[@lolomat55]

@@АндрейМочалов-щ9р lmao it’s not. It takes longer then a trader reset, you need to do annoying quest to get the crafts and you need stuff to craft. All this makes it that you don’t instantly have the ammo and it take some time after the wipe to get. Wich will balance out that you can buy the somewhat good plates.

[@АндрейМочалов-щ9р]

@@lolomat55 it is. you buy everything needed for craft anyway. crafting times is the same thing as trader resets. ultimatly its the "ammount per day" or whatever time frame you choose. and you also need quest for many trader items too.

[@George_Rakkas]

Absolutely hate the current armor situation, the hitboxes where almost perfect imo, now you need to run high tier ammo or leg meta and everyone can tank at least one headshot.

[@jordanbauerly8843]

Perfect my ass. Oh how much fun it was to be dropped in the first bullet EVERY SINGLE TIME to every AI. It was great seeing those full HP plates coming back on repeat, totally doing their job. I much prefer not generating extra roubles from the diamonds my rectum squeezes into existance every time I hear a cheeky breeky bastard mouth off. T6 armor + altyn should provide you with enough protection to shurg off a few civilian scav rounds, not entire magazines of armor piercing bullets maybe, but a couple scav rounds and some buckshot, definitely. You can still slide rounds into their neck and sides, alot of people dont run armor with stomach protection. And the skull mask is t2, bullets with >20 pen are quite common. I definitely wouldn't mind making all the gear harder to obtain, but going back to making running armor a waste of time, that's a definite no from me.

[@jeevil42]

The best armor u could get was literally just tier 3 with a chance of them hitting tier 6. That’s not a good system

[@dakota9821]

@@jordanbauerly8843 Skill issue.

[@George_Rakkas]

Since the best armor you could run was tier 3 with some extra plates, they could have made the bullter with more than 30 pen harder to get. I mean in real life it's not as easy finding AP bullets, even in USA most people fire at best M855 in their M4s.

[@deezboyeed6764]

​@@jordanbauerly8843literally a skill issue, stop standing in the open trading shots like some autobattler. Actually use your noggin, use cover snd never repeak. Its not everyone elses fault you need a crutch of armour. Thats the issue with tarkov, it got massively popular meaning like everything else that has decent fan base its filled with fuckingg morons

[@ednec8909]

Tarkov just has to follow the MMO formula: Make end-game gear VERY RARE and/or craftable. Making the Bastion piece or level 6 plates craftable will make it easy to balance how many there are out there, and it will also boost economy through the materials.

[@AtlasYaBoi]

I think the biggest point here should be the class 3 face shields. They distort your vision / change what headset you can wear AND they are banned on the flea. The CQC-M and the Death Shadow should 100% be flea banned if the class 3 face shields are. I got kappa within 2 months of this wipe (yes Im a sweat) and got kappa within a month on PvE when it released. Ive had lightkeeper since before I got my PvP kappa. Ive been running around with the CQC-M for months and it has saved my life more than any helmet, its ridiculous

[@Chevalier_knight]

Thats me! Lol they should make the cult plate a craft only make it 12 hour craft, slap plate should be found in loot only.

[@medovk]

what ruined it are most recent armor changes. all they needed to do is adjust scavs from making aimbot armpit shots

[@goukisf3116]

I think they should walk back all the armor changes to what they were and just make all the plates have the same type of coverage (so western and eastern plates are essentially the same and one type isn't just straight up bad). They finally managed to give new players an actual fighting chance if they join mid-late wipe and annihilated it in a single patch just because a vocal minority of streamers cried.

[@belaklosterlein7506]

I disagree, the main problem of the armor was not that it was bad (ttk was similar to before armor plates) the Problem was the inconsistancy with the armor sometimes blocking a bunch of good ammo and other times you'd die to armpit or soft armor spots within the first shot.

[@Chevalier_knight]

Yeh and now plate covers the shoulder so its worse

[@dakota9821]

@@belaklosterlein7506 That's the point bozo; The plate only covers your vitals. What BSG should have done is added more hitbox zones along with the armor change.

[@ilyaskr8048]

@@dakota9821 And then we’ll have 30 fps not only on streets. Great plan

[@deezboyeed6764]

​@@ilyaskr8048thats a fat old load of bullshit.

[@Koubles]

I highly disagree with the take on the CQCM. Anything that covers the entire face and head region should not have class 4 protection without some MAJOR visual and audio penalty like the ALTYN. Doing that literally gets rid of the viability of 95% of the games weapons and ammunition. I'd even say that having class 6 helmet protection isn't even that bad considering you can still get face tapped. Besides IRL the CQCM can't even survive low caliber rounds and really only protects against minor shrapnel. Having it giga-juiced beyond belief in Tarkov to be able to tank high armor pen rifle rounds is absolutely ridiculous.

[@rockboi435]

First video that i entirely disagree with. Late wipe started 2 months. The game and PvP is stale...thats why so many people went to PvE. The turbo sweats left shooting each other in labs can deal with the abundance of lvl 6 gear...gear availability is good and so is the new armor.

[@superanderson]

I would be more keen on moving these kind of items to FIR only if loot were not such a horribly over-adjusted mechanic. BSG do not seem to be able to use a light touch and especially free spawning loot like plates and guns in KIBA tend to suffer the most heavy-handed neuturing when they decide the loots "a bit too much". If I had more trust, I'd agree, but for now, I'd prefer they not do this.

[@Accuracy158]

Personally I'm kind of worried about no FiR flea market altogether. I know a lot has changed since we last had it but I still feel it's going to erase some of that early game feel we've been putting so much effort into prolonging. FiR was helping reduce the amount of gear on the market and incentivizing people to run different gear. Between more gear being available for purchase and the ability to convert all gear to rubbles at basically full value the game becomes a matter of selling everything and buying your one meta kit of choice every time. I prefer when the game has more of a scavenging feel and you sort of rely on stuff you pick up in raid. I understand why people were annoyed with FiR but it also had pretty healthy effects on the game. I definitely support restricting anything of higher tiers from the flea... And any changes that makes a "found" item preferable to the purchased item.

[@ryancarlile8745]

Great video, completely agree with you having the best gear on the traders has made me bored of playing the late wipe. The feeling of it sucks to lose something is completely gone when you have 100 million roubles and everything unlocked nothing holds value anymore. I can buy the most meta kit and not live a single raid literally probably 200 times now, without ever making another rouble lol.

[@fpvaddictdad2730]

Keep up the good work. Thanks!

[@ToDaXi]

If im not wrong they did mention of possible hardcore pvp mode in the future (imagine its like ironman, no flea)

[@pipjersey8303]

its almost like if you didnt have a bunch of content creators telling everyone what to use because they've researched every little thing in the game to the smallest variable, then you wouldn't have problems like this in games

[@PrivateMemo]

The death shadow is actually so damn useless. I've worn it in like 200 raids, and I've only seen it ricochet one bullet. And like one or two buckshot pellets from scavs. Although those aren't necessarily even lethal without it. It has cost me so much more money than it has made me. By saving me once or twice. While I paid millions for the masks.

[@irbis7591]

I agreed with about plate, GAC is almost best class 5 with very easy access, and termite is also in top 3 plate with too low cost. At least this should not be same price as SAPI plate.

[@ceepert2153]

Trader Barters should be FiR only. (with adjusted FiR where stuff in your secure container is still FiR even when you die) Cause right now Barters are just normal money purchases with 1 extra step and an unstable price

[@lthammox]

I’m pretty high level, but have a lot of quests left to finish. I can’t nolife Tarkov, and I suspect there are many of us. Streamers are normally at Kappa relatively quickly, thus ending up calling the end game stale, boring, and with nothing to do.

[@aiirmax7800]

You can’t prevent ppl from finding and following meta, for one you are one of the biggest reason ppl follow. Whatever the helmet you’re wearing, it won’t prevent scavs and Timmy’s from getting your neck. I think concentrating the highest tier gear in a single spot like Kiba is asking for trouble regarding the rating and cheating issue.

[@Gigabeef]

That's why I said they shouldn't do just that, and have a few options

[@wuzzy6889]

Dude exactly, this is my 1st ever (serious) wipe. Im barely any good at the game and i dont have the time to grind the quests to get this armor nor to get the ammo to penetrate it

[@berry_eft]

I think the reason these items are so available is because BSG like to let people use the new items during the wipe they are released. Then balancing them the next wipe.

[@axxura5286]

Found in raid just an idea from me but what if they made a group of bosses like 4-5 different people were they have a chance to spawn on all maps as a group of 2-3 with good ammo good guns the armor plates the masks pretty much give just them all the op crap maybe even give them some kind of stash were they drop a key to also get this stuff but either way it ends up being a fight to get BIS gear in tarkov especially after a wipe

[@clarkmenard3948]

Instead of a wipe, they need a prestige system. The top 10% of players run the lobbies every game. If they'd just prestige, it would have everyone at different points

[@DKMathiasen]

i've seen both the helmet platecap & the mask in Fence's store more than once the last month with 100% dur.

[@cameronlamb1869]

the face shield shouldnt be wearable with glasses and other things in front of it to start with, and the high tier it already is means it really shouldnt be wearable with helmets. they should make a super cracked front only face shield and make the one that can be worn with helmets lower tier

[@DrDoinks]

LOL! My exact same kit, including the ragman clothing! *He caught me guys.....*

[@kilenkos6220]

This is why the early wipe armor system was better than actual. At least for me...

[@ilyaskr8048]

Early wipe system was good for early wipe then everybody use 5.45 PS, 855 and 4 plate + 2 soft - armor and ammo was equal more or less Now then everybody rocking 6 armour all around we just need access to good bullets and that’s it.

[@neewb2723]

If the trader's guns drop to 95. First time jam should start at 85. Repair found in raid gun can be fix much higher health then normal Repair

[@Penice-rj8wd]

Then what is the point of this change then?

[@hardlogic3046]

Increase blunt damage to head/face/nape/neck area. The fact that you can facetank a big fat slug or magnum buckshot -that is now LL3 and uncraftable to add insult to injury- is ridiculous. Even if the helmet blocks it you've got your skull caved in.

[@TimAyro]

I've been saying it since 2018. Most end game gear should be found in raid only. Traders shouldn't be stocked up on all this high end gear. The flea market would adjust itself accordingly. Also the masks need overlays/view restrictions like how Altyn restricts vision, and visors blur vision.

[@glovakwyzinski9141]

You know what would be crazy a flea market discount so listen right remove the meta items still available on trader off but keep them on the flea market however add some quests that unlock certain coupons or discounts avaliable to use on one item and make some of the harder quests ex: light keeper have slightly higher discounts but none exceeding 35-40% and make them 1-5 uses per day so like light keeper quests give you higher percent and lower times but nothing crazy and coupons can only be used on gear but maybe an alternative for expensive and rare loot idk what you thinking?

[@glovakwyzinski9141]

And then add some quests on arena for said coupons

[@lewis1423]

this is the problem with the flea market, and honestly crafting and venders, if the gear is too good then it defeats the core loop of the game, and if its to bad then theres a lot of people who will never see any of the gear plus this always helps the best players the most, they have all the money to afford the good and the levels to craft it or be able to farm spots easier, it hurts timmies more then people think. imo the focus of the game should be what you bring into raid, surviving, and what you can bring out of raid nothing else. i think crafting and vendors are fine but should only give you consistent mid to low stuff so you never go into raid empty handed where in raid gear is almost always better. i would like to see reduced stash size for gear ( and have like a separate storage for junk and consumables) because i know many people who hoard tons of guns and stuff and you should be incentivized to use the stuff you get. bosses should have more locations to spawn ( but not random atleast like 3 or 5) should have a 100% spawn rate, but different loadouts, so killa could have a like level 3 armor, a level 5 armor and a level 6 and the % chance is what balances what you find. and my last big one is i think all skills should be removed, it makes fights and raids favor experienced players just at a base and in cases like metabolism, can basically remove a mechanic ( eating) from normal runs.

[@DKMathiasen]

U count ad cheaper lvl. 5 plates to other helmets with lower weight so u have a chance to outplay & or still have a chance 2 bounce a bullet

[@chasegreer7714]

I disagree with most of what was stated about changing armor availability. The general consensus I've gathered seems to be that when the flea was the "wild, wild west", tarkov was at its best. I feel the major issue currently is the availability of ammo to most players (why we only see 7.62 mdr and spear). Willerz touched on this with M856A1 vs CBJ. Having ammo capable of penetrating lvl 5 on traders and lvl 6 pen ammo craft would bring much of the stale gun play and variety of weapons back. I imagine something like 56A1 on PK4, 55A1 quest locked at a higher level (42-50 range) but purchasable on PK4, and SSA AP/ M995 craft only. It is refreshing to not drop immediately unless to a well placed shot but currently that is the only way to get around poor ammo.

[@umbrella4407]

What is the point of allowing people to buy high tier armor if they just start to whine about good ammo not being available as well, cuz when they make it available armor doesn't protect you anymore? It only makes the game unplayable for low levels who now have to face juggernauts. Imo it is much better to make class 5/6 armor feel impactful, buy make it hard to get.

[@chasegreer7714]

@@umbrella4407 my thought process was that ammo like 855A1 isn’t that good of ammo. Regardless of what is changed there will still be complains right? Always is. If you move plates behind locked door then people have to spend millions on keys. There is always something to not work. At the end of the day there is not blanket fix to make it perfect, something will always be “wrong” with the game.

[@AkiraBikeSlide93]

@@chasegreer7714it’s not that it’s something wrong with the game it’s just a conversation about balancing. It’s just tough for people who don’t have max traders to compete. Higher pen ammo should be more available imo because other wise the casual players is just going to get shitted on by someone who got to max trader asap. Only ammo you can get that’s really viable on the flea is CBJ and PP

[@chasegreer7714]

@@AkiraBikeSlide93 that is kind of where I was going with that. Hard to put a full thought in a comment as it isn’t long form enough. Maybe ammo equivalent to 56A1 is unlocked by just trader level and anything unlocked by trader level is flea-able.

[@AkiraBikeSlide93]

@@chasegreer7714 As long as there’s more options it should balance out a bit. I love the MCX but I’d like to try other guns as well. However lately I’ve been scrounging for loose mags since they’re packed with really good ammo almost all the time. Found a FAL mag filled with m62 and an m700 mag with m993 in the interchange parking garages.

[@harunyaman6471]

The late wipe. baddest thing in tarkov

[@_swiggityswooty_2271]

We had the most weapon diverse wipe ever to come and people didn't like it because you died too fast. Personally the complex armor needs to come back just due to the fact that you could use ANYTHING you wanted. I've been playing this game for four years and during the complex armor rework was the best this game has ever felt.

[@JackJohnson-cm6jk]

Tbf Tarkov never had a good late Wipe experience...hell tarkov does not even really have a late wipe....most people never reach it and they wipe way to often.

[@Romey1son]

I think they need visual effects like we have with the killa mask and face shields.

[@Morning-0v0-Star]

I dont understand why Caiman is a lv3 with lv4 applique it cost more than a tc-2000s and they are lv4 with lv5

[@BellyRoll2OP]

and the 4th way to acquire gear is finding it in raid- arguably the most enjoyable way that many many players flat out wont do because they are slaves to the meta.

[@BarenoftheGutters]

i hate the way gear works rn if you aren’t at max level traders and you kill someone with good gear it doesn’t really matter much at all cuz you just end up running shit ammo with good armor and a good gun and both are obsolete without the ability to kill anyone unless you shred their legs which you can only really do if you rat em or catch em in the open if they have any cover they win almost automatically

[@GiRR007]

It's literally the end of the wipe, yes you should be able to access everything.