How Ti & Te Users Stay Ignorant!

[@tw25ggg94]

A month ago I became aware of something I was doing consistently and I couldn’t really explain it to people, now I find out it’s called reductionism…

[@davidpapojr8531]

This assumption or logical leap is typically called a "modal fallacy," specifically referring to confusing "necessity" with "sufficiency," meaning someone believes that because something is a certain way in one instance, it must always be that way, without considering other potential scenarios or evidence to the contrary. Key points about modal fallacy: "Is" vs. "Ought": It often manifests as assuming that just because something "is" a certain way, it "ought" to be that way, which is a logical leap. Example: "Since everyone in my family is good at math, I must be good at math too."

[@sonicmaths8285]

Exactly 👍🏻

[@ScaryMango6755]

good info

[@davidpapojr8531]

Enhanced Pattern Recognition - ADHD may grant individuals a unique ability to recognize patterns and make connections that might elude others. Their brains are constantly scanning their surroundings, picking up on subtle details that others might overlook.

[@theboysclubofficial]

ADHD is literally Overactive Ni+Ne technically, It also means there are some elements of Si* missing

[@honor9lite1337]

Possibly that other may have overlooked it because it's not important for them.

[@LonerWolf1224]

17:34 😂😂😂 I couldn't stop myself from laughing. But don't worry, I'm a hypocrite too. And I'm very aware of it. That's why I always spend my 85 - 90% of the time except for my sleeping time to keep my Te foundation fresh and instead of talking like a maniac, I learned how to listen. I learned how to accept the truth with detaching myself from emotions as much as I can. And yea it is not an easy thing. Like I can't turn off my stupid brain for 1 sec to get myself some fresh air when u get to that point. It's very tiresome and burdening and that's exactly why people are scared of learning the truth because if they do, there's no turning back. That's why they conveniently pass the ball of thinking tasks on to others so they can live a dreamy life instead of getting their hands dirty and butthurt at times. So no wonder people follow traditions, it's their safe way of group thinking.

[@Mystic_Paths]

Ti users prioritize their internal logic system and personal understanding of how things work. This can lead to ignoring broader perspectives or missing the practical realities of a situation.

[@sonicmaths8285]

While Te-Users are way too optimistic abt the logic and research of others and are inclined to believe in silly things that aren’t based on anything but the word of random ppl

[@honor9lite1337]

​@@sonicmaths8285Indeed, I've tried to engineering some statistics of data sheets to support my statement and they automagically believe it without any verification whatsoever.

[@stephensharper4312]

Yea no​@@sonicmaths8285

[@stephensharper4312]

My INTP friend said he didn't believe in black on black crime and then I showed him the FBI uniform crime report where black pppl murder each other more than whites and he's like, it's just poor ppl murdering poor ppl. Then l broke it down by class and he still didn't believe me lol. I'm an INTJ btw

[@AnonW]

@@sonicmaths8285 not really the case with Te doms or aux, more so from Te tert or inf coz if Te looks at what everyone thinks, it would be comparing answers and know which answer is more likely true, especially if you have Ti nemesis or critic.

[@davidpapojr8531]

The length of the arrow represents the strength of the force. A shorter arrow represents a smaller, weaker force, and a longer arrow represents a larger, stronger force. In critical thinking, a leap of logic is also known as a logical long arrow. It can occur when someone is thinking through logical steps but only communicates the first and last thoughts, leaving out the middle. For example, a CEO might have a strategy in their head that appears to others as a giant leap.

[@davidpapojr8531]

Search for: What is the a priori fallacy? What is the assumption of the fallacy? What is the logical fallacy of coincidence? What is the fallacy of presupposition? What is Baconian fallacy? What is tautological fallacy? What is Apophenia logical fallacy? What is cognitive dissonance fallacy? Cognitive dissonance occurs when a person believes in two contradictory things at the same time. Within investing and in other areas, failing to resolve it can lead to irrational decision-making

[@davidpapojr8531]

Number three in psychology today how to build deeper connections. . Understand their values and connect to your own. Always seek to understand what’s important to the other person and what may negatively or positively trigger them by extrapolating their core values. Align with your values, which will lead you to having more thoughtful and caring interactions. This will potentially foster greater mutual understanding, fewer assumptions and judgments, and more compassion and empathy.

[@santinamarie4699]

Add bread and several places that intjs are smart people. But after watching this and realizing that they're stubborn, arrogant and that their logic is almost always wrong. Thank you so much for the tip I'll keep that in mind

[@davidpapojr8531]

Pattern recognition is a data analysis method that uses machine learning algorithms to automatically recognize patterns and regularities in data. This data can be anything from text and images to sounds or other definable qualities. Pattern recognition systems can recognize familiar patterns quickly and accurately. What is it? Pattern Recognition and Inductive Thinking is a special ability of the human brain to not only find patterns but figure out in a logical way what those patterns suggest about what will happen next. In a broad sense, pattern recognition and inductive thinking form the basis for all scientific inquiry.

[@j-cub7107]

38:45 That’s not what reductionism means. Reductionist thought is the idea that you can understand a system as a whole so long as you understand all of the parts that make it up. Reductionism is what’s used as the main philosophy in modern science. It’s “reducing” a system down to its fundamental components, with the hopes that by understanding simpler systems, the effects of each will be comprehensible when looking at the whole. This of course has been shown to be incorrect on the whole, given the entire field of chaos theory, where “noise” can no longer be regarded as something to be dismissed. If you cut out the “noise” in those systems, you’ve abandoned the system itself.

[@j-cub7107]

@LawsRealm Now see that’s an explanation I can get behind

[@honor9lite1337]

This line of thinking which would make any Ti user NOT getting done anything in their life. The first principle; get the most fundamental from all relevant thing which WITHOUT IT the whole system would break. Verifying the insignificant is restless and basically unnecessary endeavor. Efficiency, get it done!

[@knuxchaoable]

Always knew I was an idiot, thanks for explaining "how" I'm an idiot, and adapt some ways of an airhead

[@honor9lite1337]

Indeed😂

[@JohnA.Sutton]

Likelihood. Come to think of it, I always do that. I was just talking to a woman who claims to be an ENFJ about you. She said that you said ENFJs are cruel, bad at verifying, and irresponsible. I immediately thought 'Well, that's probably true.' Why? I have never seen an ENFJ be cruel. Except my ENFJ sister once, to me, and it was well deserved. But I have not seen with my own eyes that they are far more likely to be cruel than other types. I only know three ENFJs: my eldest sister, with whom I am not close, a girl from my old school, and a boy from another old school. None of them I really know. However, I do know enough, from observing them, that most of what you say about ENFJs: their cognitive functions and attitudes etc. is true. So, I thought, 'If the things he says which I do know about ENFJs are true, the things he says I don't know about ENFJs are LIKELY true.' And that is how I think most of the time. Except when I'm Fi-ing. Which is different. And that's when I actually know what I'm talking about and know that I can argue it. But I don't do that with type because I don't understand type. I can see that it's true. I know some of the things you say about my type and the types of the people closest to me all too well. But I can't define a single one of the cognitive functions. I mean, why is a statistic not a fact? Why is a stat Te but a fact is Ti? Isn't a true statistic a true fact? IDK That's just one example. So, I use likelihoods. And it's because A. I don't have to think too much But that's not really why. I like thinking about Shakespeare's sonnets, for example. I had to sit down and think for a week about one of them before I understood it because no one gave a good explanation of it. But that's LIKELY Fi. Again, I don't know what Fi is because I don't know what the cognitive functions are. B. I don't have to think for myself (Ti) and risk embarrassment That's really why. Because everything embarrasses me. Every single thing, in some weird way, embarrasses me. So, I don't want to risk thinking something false and getting embarrassed by a Ti user. Because I know how stupid I am. My Si Child remembers most times that I have thought something false. But, it always works against me. Because I end up believing likelihoods to avoid embarrassment which are not as likely as I had hoped. So believe something false. So I get embarrassed. Also, why are definitions Te? Socrates constantly uses definitions. And, insofar as it's Plato, not Socrates, Plato has Te Trickster. If he's an INFJ. Which he likely is because you said it. Is using other people's definitions Te but using your own definitions Ti? That can't be because a Ti user can, on his own, agree with someone else's definition, right? Is using other people's definitions without verifying them Te and using any definitions upon verifying them Ti? Or is using any definitions without verifying them Te and using any definitions upon verifying them Ti? IDK I don't even know what the cognitive functions are. I can tell they exist. And I sometimes can see how they work. But that is all. And it's hard because most words do mean what most people use them to mean. I can't just decide to call a tree an apple. But some don't. Where do you draw that line?

[@j-cub7107]

First off, I’d like to say that I’m sorry you feel that way towards your own thought processes. I’m someone who also has lived a long while in fear of being seen as incompetent, but all that’s done is stop me from letting others give their input to my thoughts, and if you do that, you will only spiral into more incoherent thoughts. Now, the way I’d relate the difference in how Ti uses definitions vs. Te, it’s not just with whether or not you’re coming up with them yourself or getting it from others. On some level, everybody takes info from others, and has their own thoughts about it. But in terms of how they would be spoken, a good practice in defining things from your own logic is the practice of “explain it in your own words”. If you only go off the exact definitions from others, you run the risk of misunderstanding the concept as a whole. You should look up the “Feynman technique” for learning, it’s a super useful way of understanding whatever it is you want to understand. Want to learn something? Try to teach it to someone who doesn’t understand it at all, then let them ask you questions about it. If you can’t answer their questions in a way they can understand, or if you find yourself stumped by a question, make note of that, and go back to study more until you understand it well enough. Then continue that process

[@JohnA.Sutton]

@@j-cub7107 If it is true, it is better for me to feel that way. You say teach something in simple words and, when someone asks you a question you can't answer, study and think so that you can. Then teach. And repeat. But I ask myself some of those questions and I can't answer them. For example, ENFJs and ENTJs have Si Trickster. But ENTJs seem to have better memories. Is this because Si is long term memory and Te is reference points? But where do you store a reference point in the long term, if not in your long term memory? I had an ENTJ roomate for three years. He is probably my only friend. And I am probably his only friend. We know each other fairly well. I did not mistype him. Before I knew about type, the first thing that struck me about him was his memory. I was constantly asking myself, 'How does he know or remember all that?' He is like a historical fact/statistic machine. Which might be typically said of, say, ISTJs. But he does have Se Child, which is always fun. And he is abstract. And he is NiSe because he monitors my loyalty and not his own. And he does have Fe Demon etc. But I cannot really say he has a bad memory. Maybe he does not remember his own experiences. But then how does he remember these facts and statistics? He does not store them in physical objects because it's not like he can't remember until he sees his computer or something. But he does not have long term memory because of Si Trickster? So where does he store all these reference points? He does remember them. But he also said once (Catholic) that he can't remember the Nicene Creed by himself but can remember it at mass when everyone is saying it. My Si Child does not have that problem. So he does seem to store his memory of the nicene creed in that external object or place or whatever. But where does he put all those statistics if not in his Si? And I don't know because I can't define the cognitive functions. I have a sense of what they are. And I can see them. But I can't define them. So, I can't say whether memory is SeNi or SiNe or Te or whatever. Is memory only in Si or Se. Si is called long term memory and Se short term. So why do ENTJs remember more than ENFJs, who are by far the most forgetful types? And why do ISTJs have the biggest memories (and they do) and not ISFJs? I watched an ISTJ rank the Beethoven sonatas and he could just remember them so perfectly by name. Better than my SiTe can. It seems memory is a part of Te.

[@j-cub7107]

@@JohnA.Sutton To argue your first point, “if it is true, it is better for me to feel that way” No, it’s not. How do you know that it’s true? And beyond that, how do you know that the way to improving that side of you isn’t in being willing to share your thoughts with others, as you’ve done here in this comment section? It can be very, VERY hard to find people that will be truly willing to listen and hear you out, but that’s because most people also feel this sort of anxiety towards what they think. I spent a long time trying to be competent enough to share my thoughts, but the whole time I never realized that I had that wrong. You will never be competent enough, but on the bright side, neither will anybody else. It is only through sharing your thoughts and experiences, and taking in the thoughts and experiences of others, that anybody can become competent on any level. Fear is only a good thing when it keeps you moving forward. When it stops you from participating in the life you’re living, it is no different than any disease that keeps you bedridden. I’m not perfect at this either, but I’m doing my best to leap before I look nowadays, as I’ve always been the type to look before leaping, but never actually leaping. As for how all the functions work, I think it’s dangerous to begin associating everything that people do as being in one of these “labels” for the functions. You don’t only use the 4 functions of your ego, you use them all, and they interact in a beautiful music together. When you try to isolate them all down to specific type functions, it can be easy to mislead yourself into thinking that’s all people are, but no two people will ever be exactly alike, and no two specific “types” will use their functions in the exact same way. No one will ever find the truth by looking into one source alone. We have to be willing to take from the collective, but at the same time be willing to contribute to it just the same. I truly feel what you mean, it’s embarrassing to feel like everybody else is judging you for how you think, but what the hell do they know? Maybe they know some things you don’t, but I know damn well that you know things they don’t either, and you owe it to yourself and the world to be genuine in that.

[@JohnA.Sutton]

@@j-cub7107 True But also, cognitive functions are things, right? And they can be defined? I know my Fi is different from, say, my father's. I judge things differently. But both are Fi and Fi, if it is at all, is what it is. And the difference is in how you use it. But then, I suppose, a guitar is a guitar, but different guitars do not only differ in how they are played but can also differ in their make. Maybe cognitive functions are the same. But they nonetheless do have definitions. There must be some way you can judge whether a thing is or is not Si or Te. Just as you can judge whether a thing is or is not a guitar. Though not all guitars are quite the same and they will be played differently. A guitar has a definition.

[@j-cub7107]

@@JohnA.Sutton I see what you mean, and I do agree, they have definitions, ones I may not be the expert on. But, to use the guitar example, two players can play the same guitar very differently. There’s a lot of factors that go into the way they sound, and if people think it sounds good or not. Plus, when you talk with a friend about a song you like, or a guitarist you may admire, do you first jump into the music theory behind what they’re doing? I know when I find a song I like, my first message to a friend when I show them is something like “yo this is sick” lol. If they’re the type to want to get into the theory and all that, that’s cool, I can dive into that just as well. But this does remind me of an old saying I heard, I think it was specifically about comedy, but I think it applies to a lot of things “When you dissect a frog, you do learn more about the frog, but in doing so, you’ve killed the frog”

[@ElectionsAffinity]

Thanks Chase! I trust you

[@MirthCap]

Yay paint, awooga! Also, I see my entp bf and my infj twin have similar but different way of using Ti. All of us are udsf, so tad a bit different. Notice my twin try to break apart logic first, always try to make sense. But at the end she'll make sure it's always foolproof. My bf is the opposite, he take the infos without proper deduction and I called him out that 'will this work for him in a long run'? Same case with you thought being an intj. But he's always open minded to accept whereas my twin's a little critical. Strangely enough, I'm protective of him more than my twin, because my thinking is also in a pessimistic function so I can relate almost about the tower crumble. It's not easy but I want us to put them on the wall first. Maybe that's why I can sift a little easy when hearing Chase talk, but explains why it bothers me of Ne-ti clashed with Te-si. I have the urge to do it in organized way, which can be a problem if I try to 'clean' so much. That's why bf is one step ahead of me sometimes without even him realizing it, and in turn he's also protective of me. I'm familiar to hearing them Ne-ti with my bf and funny enough my dad too, because he's also entp but uduf majority in his life. Took me time to adjust Fi trickster, years even. Csj hits too close at home.

[@dominickkhan7554]

Perfect timing, i was being arrogant with Ti child

[@underwaterpanther]

Sheeeeet 😂

[@jehulela]

When the INTJ integration video comes out, I'll be Si Warrior.

[@RaffertyMBTI]

Jenga is very Ti-Se. As an ISTP, I loved it as a kid.

[@zile8869]

42:40 You dont need to see the earth's shadow on the moon to know its not flat. The fact that the sun rises and sets instead of wandering around the sky, is proof enough.

[@honor9lite1337]

It's not proof enough until few centuries ago when the majority of people still believe that the earth is the center of universe.

[@orbis7466]

I believe Ti child is the most stubborn next is Ti inferior

[@Sweet_Steve]

Why do you think that is?

[@LonerWolf1224]

U're saying something based on their maturity levels not necessarily the function slot quality. Because if I take what u said into consideration the real answer is Ti inferior because they have Te demon, because Ti child is actively seeking to be transparent but they can't where as Ti inferior knows a lil how to be transparent but doesn't bother to do so. Maybe check ur Te level before claiming such statement like that. Because Te positive slots has their own problems if u're one of them. Plus bein stubborn is not necessarily a bad thing because it's their way of safety mechanism from not getting themselves in that vulnerable position where their thinking process is being attacked or manipulated. Think both sides of a coin my friend.

[@sonicmaths8285]

@@Sweet_Steve he said he believes, which means he doesn’t use Ti, therefore: wrong question 😂

[@orbis7466]

@@Sweet_Steve Ti hero and parent will likely realize that they're stubborn faster than the child/inferior. Ti child/inferior never realizes it.

[@Sweet_Steve]

@@orbis7466 Never is a strong word. I think they do know it, but choose not to change.

[@stephensharper4312]

That Ti loop that makes them more reclusive is what l call the enneagram 5 loop. INTJ's do it in a dif way

[@princefreddo5044]

How can I sharpen my Te parent?

[@LonerWolf1224]

Read useful learning materials instead of wasting ur time on reading novel things, that is how to sharpen ur Te parent faster. Plus the thing that guy above said.

[@Jancel705]

sharpening a function can be done through learning axis and orbit: I'm an INTP trying to boost their Ti By focusing on optimization-oriented organisation schemas systems thinking and broad logic, slowly bridging the gap between Ti and Te, i'm also trying to Teach and problem solve peoples problems, hence helping (Fe) in a sense to boost my Ti. What I recommend for you is to dive head first into deep important (fi important) topics and getting a group of people to discuss your ideas and principles with and if you really want to take it a step further i recomend developing Ti; high level proof-based mathematics (i reccomend real analysis) and coding generally help overall Ti-logical thinking

[@princefreddo5044]

@LawsRealm Thank you. What would be a practical example in doing that?

[@princefreddo5044]

@@LonerWolf1224 Thank you. Would you have some recommendations on useful materials to learn/read?

[@princefreddo5044]

@@Jancel705 Thank you. When you say "people's problems" what do you mean by that?

[@santinamarie4699]

Wow I have no idea about this. I'm going to avoid those TI users for sure they sound really stubborn and not very smart. Thank you

[@davidpapojr8531]

Ella enchanted on Netflix is very interesting movie especially when she enters the Hall of mirrors

[@davidpapojr8531]

all i know is trying my best on every angle to do the right thing and feel great ill go do all that shit again ssnext week send it yet again .... what ever it is its not my stack this is nurtue why i percrastinate this is shema

[@AnonW]

Rational or Te people don’t just go with majority rules, they simply prioritise majority knowledge to the forefront of what they look at or study first.

[@davidpapojr8531]

For what was the name of that movie that you recommended was actually very good movie where she went in and she would erase people's memories or replace them with something different you know to cover something up or yeah it was a really cool movie but then against those the movie Anna on Netflix

[@davidpapojr8531]

Ignore to wisdom! That's a locked away eternity flame 🔥 I keeps the darkness at bay.

[@caitlin2627]

Does any examples of what ti could look like in a parent?

[@j-cub7107]

Do you mean Ti as a parent function or a literal parent of a child?

[@caitlin2627]

@@j-cub7107 2nd

[@j-cub7107]

@@caitlin2627depends on how much work they’ve put in to rounding themselves out as a person. If they’ve over-prioritized their own sense of logic, I could imagine this would develop as a parent who would be very quick to dismiss the child’s ideas, without even taking the time to go through their own thought processes. A healthier, more accepting individual would be patient enough to fully listen to their child’s argument, praise the child for what works in the argument (as that’s a good sign of their critical thinking, and you don’t want to step on that when trying to get rid of bad ideas), while carefully showing how exactly the flawed steps they’ve taken both were taken in the first place, and how they can be fixed. But, in the end, a lot of it comes down to delivery. If you can’t package a gift nicely enough, some people won’t accept what’s inside, no matter how useful it may be.

[@LonerWolf1224]

Ok here's how I learned, first step, take the parent slot out of ur head. Because that's not how u start to breakdown their functions into a box. Start from positive attitude or negative attitude. If someone is in their positive attitude u can literally sense it this air of "I'm right I'm right I'm always right" (an air of exaggerated I'm right.) coming out of people. The extreme end comes from the Ti hero and Secondly comes from Ti child. Then the negative attitude if u see a Ti user that's very hesitant to tell what they think, the extreme end comes from the Ti inferior (it should be Ti demon but for the sake of the question u get what I'm sayin) the next who is hesitant to speak up yet the do is the Ti parent that is where their thinking responsibly comes from, and u won't miss it because it's very obvious it's like throwing fire and water on u at the sametime. (depends on how they're delivering it.) So that's how u figure out Ti parent. But the way you asked the question of Ti parent of a child it depends on their maturity soo.. u have to throw all positive and negative attitude to a wall that makes a spectrum. You have to look into their humility and pride that comes from what I said above and gotta roughly pin point where they at the way how u see. But let's hope that u ain't a crusader type because they have a hardtime extracting information such as people's psyche levels. If u have Te or Se, then it will be easier for u to figure out.

[@j-cub7107]

@@LonerWolf1224 ah, yeah I think they deleted their reply, but they were specifically looking for an actual parent-child relationship, not talking about the functions themselves

[@rjh7700]

What you are saying is absolutely true, but I think it is important to discuss what can happen when a Te user is actually wrong and how stubborn they can also be because they use an aggregate of opinions that could have a very flawed source, and they will simply say 'how can everyone be wrong' when defending their argument whilst not using any critical thinking as to why their sources could be biased🤷‍♂️ okay I listened longer, you do roast Te users lol

[@chaitanya7964]

Did you watch the movie "The Imitation Game (2014)"?

[@RaffertyMBTI]

I am GUESSING that Si is a feedback function, which explains why INFP's are the most feminine, because their cognition consists of feedback functions (the ISTJ is masculinised by being a sensing, thinking type) and preferring values over all over functions.

Newflash: Se is also a feedback function-attitude, just like Intuition. Does that make ESTPs fem? After all they lead with a feedback function.

[@davidpapojr8531]

All that energy... Needs an outlet..

[@davidpapojr8531]

This isn't going to happen overnight it's going to take a lot of effort and I got to show some self compassion and pat myself in the back it's not all going to have it at once.. how do you balance those five motivators prioritize them in order make lists

[@kyurei4478]

But that's exactly why Ti users should trust Fe more to allow themselves to be less stubborn, trust others more and verify consequently. We need to stop forgetting the role of Fe in discussions. I disagree that Ti child is subject to that problem as well in the end because a type with Ti child will have Fe parent precisely to largely compensate for that and be open to people's inputs and avoid conflicts. Ti inferior however would most likely suffer from that and never verify their knowledge because they wouldn't be curious enough. Do Ti users ever think they might have attenuating circumstances for being wrong and forgive themselves though? Then they could realize they were wrong but they had good reasons for being wrong because of particular circumstances, like the scientist who provided information revealed not to be trustworthy. You can't blame yourself for being wrong when the source itself is at fault.

[@dxfifa]

Your theory on Te echo chambers influencing Ti users is why very illogical things like religion tend to get a grip on the minds of people who otherwise question everything and go deeply into what is verifiable.

[@sonicmaths8285]

So u obv don’t understand that religion is more of a coping mechanism. should think abt that pal

[@honor9lite1337]

Ti users for religion is dangerous because they don't question assumption, they don't verify the current dogma, instead they're trying to fit their logic to support the following faith.

[@jamesbobbski2269]

@@sonicmaths8285I’m just thinking about everything you must have managed to get done with all the time you saved by not typing full words, punctuation and upper case letters. Well done, pal.

[@sonicmaths8285]

@@jamesbobbski2269 obv I always do well lol and ur comment’s a pure waste of time

[@AnonW]

Nah I’d say if you’re really a Te user, you’d know what everyone thinks and within that space it’s extremely easy to understand that religions are man made scams to control the masses and not believe in it yourself.

[@jeromeblacq7528]

Is chase teaching control theory now?

[@CSJoseph]

What is control theory?

[@davidpapojr8531]

How do you map that out the three motivators versus the five against cognitive functions in four sides of the mind not like it's relevant I think just prioritize them in the list will work but still curious

[@LauraINFJ]

A Ti user has to be very humble to stop and listen others perspectives and opinions. To be willing to Say "maybe I was wrong in my conclusions" and that's very painfull but where the grow is.

[@honor9lite1337]

As Ti user and Ne user, I don't have problem receiving and asking others perspective. The problem is how I'll integrating and validating the other's into my thinking framework.

[@creeperkingdom3190]

​@@honor9lite1337the problem with this whole te is more open minded is their ignoring the elephant in the room fi. Here's the thing a ti user can be convinced with a logical argument its very hard ti dismantle an entire tower of logic with your own but its possible. The only way to convince a te user that the other 90 people who are wrong that they are in fact wrong is by being extremly respected. This sounds like it maje ti users stubborn until you account fir tge fact that 99.999% of humanity has been wrong about most things throught human history. Using group think to come to right conclusions is extremly flawed

Eh, as an INTP I think it is most of the population which needs to be humble, because most of society is retarded. Perspectives and opinions from such people crumble in front of solid reasoning.

[@davidpapojr8531]

it comes down to time... not enough bias why? that we are all both abstract and concrete are we not ..... so im looping sides and my own stack is tiering me out... is that the point... ok i got out of it but yes now i understand the consept.... well if i understand this correctly ... no shit its wrong.... shit just trigger mne be dirrect... the istp needing 2 ppl and seeing it explained would work. it all conflicts. asking others that ive done they are just like me they can see similarties in them oll let me try again but again all it will do is what give another opion? what if it matychs mine or conflicks ? what worst case esfp think thats the one i disliked the most... who was it you said needed ppl and has to serv... but even then we have more then one side... and none of this changes who i am... itas more wanting to prove... so i have a cheat sheet t run of off for growth... again this is all just a distraction ne hero avoiding si becuase it takes away choice works but its nits... it gives me choices... esfp i dont want to be alone? idk life sucks u still have to do what you gotta do... ill go insane i would need a class room tables and honestly have to map it all out how i can relate narrow everything down... and even at that point its not proof. why does proff matter . i hate i cant solve the dam puzel it is just way to much information to generaliz well thats easy but we are all j p s n i e i know the ones i do realte to most... and the 4 sides.. so im defently 1 of 8 types... fact but we can cognitivly project... theres an approch let me test every day for a year take the mean and maybe litle of each side the reality is we can all look like any of them giving the right situations. this point i kind wonder if the types of the woman ive dated is off too, but this is to much thinking time to go breath and stop thiking before i waste all my time again trying to figure this out but entp fits but then so does fp i e is pointless so what u flip the top 2 yes we cnat change time i know but i would ask how would what im focsuing on from the hero wouldnt it mean a tests wont see it say hero is gone to inerforor for answers ect.. or you are going to multiplt side fliping parnt child... i think its impoasble to prove but hearing you talk abaut everyone works... it puts it in my focuse i guess i could stop using this and yes zoom out i know what to do it works ive done so many times before 2 types flip 1 letter in each thats 16

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Thinking isn’t just Boolean true false statements by the way, many considerations are more complex and there’s 101 ways to skin a cat, additionally there are plenty to speculate on which can’t be proven or known, just a hypothesis etc… one could easily look at any situation and derive multiple different actions which are all simultaneously true/possible/works. I fail to see how anyone can operate on anything less than the combination of Te and Ti together and able to think in more than just true/false statements. I mean you would be a very flawed person if your thinking was that simplistic, no different than a primitive A.I or Boolean expression.

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Greek word The Greek word logos has multiple meanings, including "word, thought, principle, or speech" and "rational divine intelligence". It's been used by philosophers and theologians, and is thought to have been first used by Heraclitus.  Rhetorical device In writing and public speaking, logos is a persuasive device that uses facts, data, and other evidence to support an argument or conclusion. It appeals to the audience's sense of reason. To use logos, an author might make logical connections between ideas, use facts and statistics, or use historical and literal analogies.

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how do you type around ptsd ? now im not dignosied by a pro.... well ive gone she had to put something for billing she put genral axiety disorder... ok im in the head... thats fear based yes... and social exiety but thats not true im a soical butter fly it depends what state of mind im in but yes i alwasy have a distraction or im in action esfp well yes u said need ppl a woman yes im calm codepended has a personality type yuck.... then again i can be alone... and im fine... but that and not being able to care for myself alone now thats very stressfull. i do love to suffer take the beating u said si... but is this nature or nurtue sheceme ptsd resposnce that i dont know im trying my best to look at this from multiple time lines and perspects of my life threw my jurny one thing is for sure i defently lover to entertain... but i can lead.. and i can start or finsh or be the middle man... honestly i can do it all wants vrs needs... well thats the isssue i let this shit hit my heart that was the trigger 3 years in i can socialize like a norm,al human beinging.. we are all thge inviroment we put ourself into/// we are the 5 ppl we spend the most time with... u just said all your staff not one isnt i belive affliitivbe? is that what u said... i would ask if you know all this information why woudltn you deverisify so u have a larger strgoner perspective as a groul. i know if i knew all this info like u i would defently make deverisity over my personal type i work with... i would want that guy i hate on the team why the other view... and hates a strong word but u get my point... then again think your group works becuase im sure its some types over others here... i can see it in the page views... i would never do this as a businees o no... beacuse a biz needs a postive reputation . but im defently an attention whore o look at me... then again at work im not... i think im more the hey look papo gets shit done i do like it yes its not healhty some of my self worth is outside m,e but my persepction has change..... that alone shifed me just a few thouats chace but ne you mean ehtusiastic... lets go the enthousiastic chalanger keep the peace duty out the ass help others. fuck this opne. me yes!! the investigator o yes o this one yes but only to those worthy fuck the rest me 1st repeat now from mb ti 4 sides si fi fe are the work order once they are copmplet ill look again... till then idk but i can still keep learning all the types/ becuase its fun and i can learn to work better with everyone that i love .. u saod tinker chase thats my healthist pass time... its differnt when i had my own house ... yes one on the beach one in ill ect... not own always rent... but chase noe of that defines me wayfafer the calvery the mystic the paladen the duelkeist... all of then with full intigration we should be able to do 8 from my reading.... now at that point im sure the person is self aware to the point they can what did u call it..... oppsite of soical enginering cognitive projection and cognitve emul;ation of the other 8 u can dupilikcat becuse of stack order... its totaly posable

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i do love to debate learn engage status money no longer define me... less is more... that shit owns u.. but one things for sure... next place im going to be very spacifi with carreer unless i apply my neter social skills and mnove up at my current career im not at those posablits are open i do know what i want i think your right i want that total freadom to make the call to be creative and tinker... i think in that respect i defently have a streaght

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Zoom out biased. 54:38

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dammit say it directly!!!!! any 2 or 4 can work thats 8 or 16 to do this all on paper with my own graphs and notes of all key points would take me months ti trickster in the enfp ne trickster istp fi in entp ... i would have to go threw all this data again and take notes mapping out each type all the key points side by side this would take me days so much data i dont have all this remmeber for each type my logic is like ok no dam way to actualy prove for x period isfj ahh to many i dont know the for sides of each with out pictures... but i can see how it would work... how do i know whats sides are suing what ... im defensibly ignorant thats why im trying to educate myself yet agin this is about growth type a;tho i want to know its not important what is the growth being healthy fixing my life treating ppl who love me with love... its about knowing what to pay attention to so i dont do some of this dumb shit... ill end up gogin crazy trying to prove this without a doubt i myself cant im looking ive looked... welll im looking to redusce this so whats te ignorce implay ? its in the top stack? u know whaT stick with what i have to do apply it its working thats the goal and the oputrput works... ti leeding is ecccooo te leading reducing likly hood. well both cant fingure it out . whats my origabnly premis? im istp? il go with healthy person as the goal... maybe this will be clearer for me then but now idk how about i just apply the stuff you tell ppl to better them self and let this go so frustrating ...... im open to imput but this is all to abstract its not direct ill just keep runnign in circiles

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Yeah but in planet of the apes Logos is bad He's the bad guy

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Zoom in ..... 53:54

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ok lets think about that flip t f vrs sn on both sides... isfp esfp estp istp enfp infp entp

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fs tn ts fn Inclusive Decay Distributions of Coherent Two-body StatesHitoshi YamamotoDept. of Physics, Harvard University, 42 Oxford St., Cambridge, MA 02138, U.S.A., Binary diffractive beam splitters with arbitrary diffraction angles abstract Diffractive optical beam splitters designed with iterative Fourier transform type algorithms can produce only certain diffraction angles given by the spatial frequencies used for the computations, which are multiples of a certain base spatial frequency. We have developed a design algorithm that overcomes this limitation and can be used to compute binary diffractive elements with arbitrary diffraction angles. The simulated and experimentally measured properties of optical elements producing beam arrays in circular arrangements are presented and discussed. © 2007 Optical Society of America....... that shit falls over lol.... "keep stacking chips up"

[@j-cub7107]

I get what you’re saying, but jargon isn’t meant for the lay person, it’s meant for those who understand all the terms being used. I used to hate that shit too, but that’s cause it’s not concerned with informing the public, it’s only aimed towards peers

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Great... two bots talking...

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but lets say hero goes to p c cant solve so ok same ? lets go hero inferior pc cant solve.. ??? i dont belive well from my point of view... maybe outside veies... but i have all the papper work i will ask my family thanks giving but my streaghts flaws can be found in more then on so again im defently open to suhest and ill keep looking i dont see the hero ??? entp does over lap well with my trifix for the past few years but again ive been under stress and like u said how do u know what gateways like u said i can be going in the back doors the tests cant see the sorce they are looking at it from a fixed point im going to assume all the info u prsented is something i should vbe open to consider because u all can see what i cant... i do not have an outside view of myself my norm my persepection isnt real all of us see what we want to see...... so lets look at it all see what relates take action see what the results do.... one thing is absoulte i have a t n preferance or i do when im looking at this..... readin problem solving. then again when im building a house or fall in love i, sure thats s / now keep in mind when u look at something to define it does it not have implicitoins.... u see what u belive u see... or how about if u look at something u change it.... welll thats abovoiseu too im digressiing point sis get out this side go do it ok i am ne ok yep off dreaming all the posablits . how do you guys actual prove what slots it is in 1 vrs 2 ect... and again ptsd knock one off how can u prove how that resents ... im sure it can be proven absloulty.. but i dont think we have the ablity to do so... or ppl argue type doesnt change ok but prove for x that any fucktion can or can not run all the orbits they do.... ne posablity then yes but u asked me if absoult truth exsists i woiuld say of i can duplicate the outcome consistyly is that cionsidered difnitive proof? ok disipline thats it for tonight but yes i thikn im at my best in the group as a team with a goal. one side anyway there we go letr me juryanal all my thinking and feeling see what u see that i cant... but how about this... how i type is not how i am in person there is a huge contrast

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O God they are nf nt 😊no wonder I'm comfortable. Hey we got number one for our team in the market 😂. I put the main manager on the spot over pizza I think I said that already all of this You're right though they're all an f and NT how do I know if she's an ST or an NT. Yuck thinking of the 5 motivators.. urgency... Hey 👋 I'm slow it looks really stubborn it's more indecisive.. hey if you build the map and it's got the wrong piece of the puzzle in it that's okay You just have to be how did they say it in the matrix you have to be aware of discrepancies in the system now so what's so bad about being overly prepared for every possible thing you can think of even though it might be blinding in some respects but hey I I like to call it a good primer so even if the map is incorrect when you go do it you update it because you're focusing in that area anyway. ESTj. TE ne SE fe Fi si ni.ti ... Yes... Alot isn't true sorry am I driving u crazy 🤣 myself too.. yes ignorance is better then stupidity .. feed me ti!!! Omg horable.. curiosity is good. Occam's razor I forgot this one I have to go look again yeah yeah see your point yeah this is the go-to well there was there's the other side but both of not been used in the most healthiest ways I guess. What if I can't integrate them.. if so no sexual go social.. or at least focus on the social aspect but keep working on the sexual aspect. Oh God too much change I hate change why do I hate change I love change I hate change