How to ACTUALLY Use Anti Tank vs Behemoth Chargers + Primary Weapons that KILL Them Helldivers 2

This is how anti tank launchers can actually only use 1 round to strip leg armor on behemoth chargers. As well as other good ways for dealing with them. It took a little bit of testing to learn how to deal with this enemy a lot easier. Charger weakness is crazy once you figure it out. #helldivers2
Timestamps
00:00 Behemoth Charger Weakness
00:45 Anti tank not 1 shotting legs
00:58 Behemoth Charger health pool
01:28 Recoilless Rifle 1 shot strip leg
01:51 EAT 1 shot strip leg
01:57 Back leg always 1 shot
02:15 Quasar Cannon 1 shot strip leg
02:26 Grenade Launcher
02:52 Autocannon
03:36 Scorcher
03:48 Dominator
04:05 Spear
04:16 Incendiary Breaker
04:25 Grenade Pistol
04:46 Heavy Machine Gun (takes practice)
05:05 Melee (this was for fun) Also explanations on stuff

[@thiccfila]

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[@dwish3827]

Use a flamethrower

[@TrixterTheFemboy]

@@TravisStockton Because needing to do that in the middle of a swarm can be an issue.

[@SuperEarthHelldiver]

why are you playing? running around like a fool without spreading democracy? shameful

[@AlphaOfCrimson]

I'm really glad that this information is starting to make its way around the community. Eravin and his followers have been trying to spread this info ever since the patch.

[@agentjwall]

If you get a bonus to quasar damage by diving forwards, it implies you’re shooting it faster than light, which is hilarious

[@thiccfila]

quasar isnt supposed to have falloff damage lol. i dont even know why it has that -1, but from any range its only -1

[@thelordofcow5639]

the breakpoints in this game are so fucked

[@taemien9219]

If I'm not mistaken, isn't the quasar a Plasma weapon and not a Laser? Thus has an energy projectile? At least I could have sworn I've seen a projectile come from it rather than a beam.

[@thelegendaryklobb2879]

@@taemien9219 Sickle is a laser weapon and doesn't fire beams. Both laser and plasma weapons are classified in the "energy weapons" class. The quasar cannon is definitely a laser weapon within this game's lore and mechanics: first, the look and design is very similar to the other laser weapons; second, the shot has the same color as the lasers; third, its cooling time is affected by heat in the same way as the other laser weapons do (except it doesn't overheat as it fires a single max charged shot).

[@Stiftoad]

​@@thelegendaryklobb2879 I choose to believe it's sci Fi tech that allows you to contain a laser beam in a bubble which is then launched That's why you charge it, you're blowing a laser into the energy bubble

[@CretinousJay]

so funny 1 damage is stopping the one shot

[@robertcarlsson9720]

Dropoff damage for a rocket is just fukkin stupid...

[@ShotGunner5609]

Well the damaging components of the rocket are the projectile and the explosion. The rocket has drop cus it looses speed as it Flys, and the explosion does less damage further from the epicenter just like a real explosion would. Obviously the explosion isn't dropping off though if it's hitting the dang thing.

[@williampomplun5618]

@@ShotGunner5609 Except that a rocket doesn't loose speed as it flies, it gains speed until it reaches it's maximum, then plateaus until it runs out of fuel, and then rapidly looses speed and crashes because it's not capable of generating much lift and flies almost entirely thanks to thrust. Secondly, AT rockets and missiles deal negligible damage from the impact, they use a shaped charge to direct and concentrate explosive force forwards. The shaped charge will always have the same damage potential no matter the range or velocity of the projectile.

[@SirBenton]

​@@ShotGunner5609​what? The rocket drops because of gravity and if anything the projectile should fly faster as it burns the fuel in the rocket

[@Gearedfilm57]

​@ShotGunner5609 the recoiless and AT rocket both use HEAT warheads which are not reliant on speed of the war head to penetrate and deal damage. In the (projectile) is an explosive and copper cone, when the (projectile) contacts the target the explosion forms the copper in to a extremely high velocity jet that can punch through a lot of armour. And that is why it isn't speed based.

[@danielearl3591]

The recoilless is not a rocket lol

[@davidmartins8152]

The funniest thing i ever heard, "pressing w is the meta" I just died there hahaha.

[@thatguy6252]

TF2 Pyro mains agree

[@DOOM_Dwarf]

They really over-engineered this games damage system xD

[@SteveAkaDarktimes]

it explains... so much. a nightmare to bugfix, a nightmare to balance properly.

[@goreobsessed2308]

Yep it's physics based that's why it's never perfect

[@CapitalTeeth]

Basically, we're back to the post-railgun nerf leg meta.

[@colinheller6701]

Yup, it ain’t fun.

[@LightingbladeShen]

ThiccFilA: here's a way to kill them, it's not that hard Ohdough: they are not hard, but they are kinda, bruther me, having had milions spawn on diff8 yesterday: "guess I'll have to forgo the utility of sniping spore spewers...flamethrower time"

[@goreobsessed2308]

Flamethrower has always been the easiest for me none of that timing or angles shit just aim under it trying to hit the but head and legs it will break one of em 😂

[@Sesquipadalian]

If you run stun grenade supply pack you can kill spewers with flamethrower too

[@goreobsessed2308]

@@Sesquipadalian I usually pop em with my grenade pistol but I do Stun em if I'm out

[@user-mr6hc9hy2t]

Honestly, the Flamethrower damage vs Behemoths is so high it feels bugged. They die in ~4 seconds of roasting one of the forelegs, pretty much dying just as fast as a regular Charger. No idea why/how it kills them so fast, when Behemoths definitely have more hp than regular Chargers. Somehow Bile Spewers feel like they longer to kill with flamethrowers relative to Chargers/Behemoths.

[@red11rus85]

@@user-mr6hc9hy2t it's the thing with the legs, that players found after Flamethrower buff. I don't remember exact stuff, but it's the damage of the gun itself, not the damage over time of the flame. Legs always work like a clocwork for me.

[@faaxen]

"A little bit Tankier" Arc Thrower having to do twice as many hits than a normal charger

[@Tetragramix]

Stop using that trash

[@faaxen]

@@Tetragramix Well yeah... Not like there's much choice now

[@DootMarine1173]

@@Tetragramix Wrong, it shreds hordes, including bile spewers, at a long range with infinite ammo. I wouldn't have gotten a 77 killstreak with the arc thrower alone on a bile spewer mission if it was trash.

[@Prefix1998]

I don't mind behemoths requiring extra shots to kill since it gives variety to the game and it strengthens the idea that you should work as a team. My problem with the behemoths however is that there's so many of them, every encounter has at least 5 chargers spawning and for some odd reason the regular chargers have become rarer than the behemoths (like 1 in every 5 chargers). Reduce the charger spawn rates and make behemoths a rare spawn.

[@starman2995]

Jankest of jank tech, thanks for the info xD

[@DocDictator]

i can hear Runescape in the background

[@SoraTheKobold]

i feel like ive been seeing behemoths spawn more than the regular chargers, kind of makes me wish we had modifiers for specific enemies like how they have with shriekers and gunships instead of things like Orbital scatter and call down time also hi thicc hii hiiii

[@thiccfila]

hi sora :) theyre everywhere

[@upon1772]

Played yesterday with my friends and noticed this too on difficulty 7. Seems almost like a 10-1 ratio with them...

[@UnknownSquid]

The game does have "enemy modifiers", it's just that they aren't displayed before the mission. Some worlds you get bile spewers, others you get nursery. Some you get loads of hunters (which you can recognise via the pouncers being present), and others you get loads of hive guard.

[@hotpenguin607]

There are so few regular chargers they are like Easter Eggs when they show up Wtf...

[@carlosmdc9069]

This explains the inconsistency with the stripping.

[@GnarledStaff]

Yeah, it sounds like a 1 damage buff could fix this. They might still be looking at a way to add less than 1 damage buff in order to adjust the range of a oneshot working. That could be tricky depending on the types of variables used, which might be why they haven’t fixed it yet. I think Eravin mentions the actual numbers and variables in his video if anyone wants to see under the hood.

[@Tamachii12]

Explosive weapons shouldn't have drop off damage, so much for "realism", explosives do the same thing regardless the distance you shoot them as long as you hit it... never understood why this is a thing for helldivers...

[@thiccfila]

anti tanks are mainly ballistic penetration, the explosive damage is much smaller and secondary

[@elkpants1280]

@@thiccfilaare you talking in game or real life? Irl most hand held anti tanks are subsonic or near sonic and rely on shaped charges for penetration

[@Techigai]

​​@@elkpants1280I'm sure he's talking in game numbers. Yeah, HEAT warheads don't really use anything from the momentum of the projectile, when it comes to armor penetration.

[@miemsliva4464]

​@@elkpants1280 In game. Majority explosive weapons, mostly rockets such as all automaton rockets, and our EAT, Recoiless rifle, and Quasar Cannon. Majority physical damage and then with minimal explosive damage, which is the reason those three weapons almost never get more than one kill per shot, and only when you directly hit an enemy. I've landed a shot right beside a scavenger and not killed it before.

[@thiccfila]

I'm just saying why it's happening in game lol

[@Screech2111]

I knew about the damage fall-off and walking thingy because I used Verdict vs bots since Polar Patriots released. I just thought that the slight glancing was back as some other old problems returned and I believed that only bullets have damage fall-off right out of the barrel. Started seeing the walking forward stuff on the subreddit before watching your podcast today and put one and one together. Thank y'all for clearing that up. Drove me nuts while I was away from my PC today xD Now they just have to fix the reload of my beloved Recoilless.

[@yureinobbie68]

Since the Quasar projectile isn't already moving at lightspeed, it's a bit more believable, but still weird. Thanks for the info.

[@Jeff-cn9up]

Quasar cannon isn't a laser weapon though. It's some sort of other thing like plasma or a shock pulse because you can actually see the shot travel. The distances in the game are so short that any lightspeed shot would be far less than one game tick to travel to the edge of the map. Roughly one three-hundred-thousandth of a second from emission to hit.

[@yureinobbie68]

@@Jeff-cn9up Oh yeah, definitely. The only real laser weapons in the game are the beams. You'd need to be at spawce combat ranges, to notice any kind of delay there.

[@kevinuribe318]

Actually great find and knowledge to know thank man !! Great details as well.

[@arepupu]

This was fascinating! Thanks for sharing

[@Karpata1]

I would not be surprised if 10 out f 10 people on the dev team didn't know this either

[@lukascamilo8339]

Yeah, its definetly a bug, doesn't even make sense if we are talking, realism for balistics and stuff

[@Cheshire9k]

Just like most bugs in this game...

[@MitchellDavenport]

With all the changes to weapon recoil it's kinda silly that you have to move forward to properly get a 1 shot 😂

[@Assichicken]

met those behemots a few weeks ago in one match and was stunned haha

[@spacedoubt15]

So what you're saying is, the primary advantage of single-handed weapons (being able to fire while running in the opposite direction) is super bad for the Verdict in particular.

[@Roebuck325]

HUGE W dude, thanks for the intel!

[@TheHuffur]

Yeah like you said the easiest fix to the damage drop off is that they simply add 1 damage to the weapons, no need to change the descriptions or anything since the 1 damage is lost when you fire it anyway. If someone wants to be sweaty enough to "abuse" the move forward speed to gain 1 or maybe even 2 extra damage then by all means let people do that. Ideal would be if they could change the code so the damage drop off only starts after 50m or w/e based on what weapon it is ofc, shotguns should have shorter range before it kicks in while the marksman rifles and similar should have longer than 50m but if thats a whole bunch of work to get done then just buffing them with +1 damage is good enough.

[@MrDavidhastwo]

I think the easiest fix is to actually drop the charger armor by 1 so that way it wont mess with any of the other balances(if any) that that 1 armor extra damage may have on every other enemy units.

[@OrAngelicBlitz8633]

Thank you for clarifying this crazily overcomplicated game.

[@RyuRyokai]

The maintain/gain more damage while walking forward and shooting is the helldiver's universe of saying "not one step back".

[@narutonaruto2341]

Crouching with spear for point black head shot. Did not think of that will try it out now.

[@convergence1point]

The chad way of doing it, is diving toward the charger as it charges at you

[@angelcubero1883]

great data, thumbs up

[@RaDeus87]

I can understand that ballistic and energy weapons have drop-off, the higher energy a beam has the more diffusion it has, but chemical warheads like EAT and RR should always hit for full damage, since they use explosives to penetrate armour.

[@ShotGunner5609]

Real rockets do, but the damage in this game is split between the projectile velocity and the explosion. So if you loose some speed you loose some damage.

[@chrisbrinzo]

I'm sorry but as far as I'm concerned it's borderline infinite grenades from the launcher

[@mrsnackbar9383]

Would the stun resist booster help with this kind of testing with close range stuns ? Or does it work for stuns?

[@ZedDiDragon]

This was such a funny find.

[@hotpenguin607]

Is that BGM RuneScape's Sea Shanty? Cultured.

[@NyJoanzy]

Quick note: auto cannons are slightly worse against bugs due to a change to bile titans. Simply put. Shooting out the bile sack doesn't do as much damage to them, so the old tactic of rail canon//500kg// orbital precision + auto cannon to the bile sack is no longer a guaranteed 2 step kill.

[@Pyromaniac77777]

Does drop-off apply to the explosions as well or only the projectiles?

[@KC9IUX17]

Imo rockets should do more damage the further away you are because they should be speeding up right? Bullets make sense to have falloff.

[@TheGeoCheese]

Well that explains why I’m struggling popping the chargers’ heads all of a sudden. Can you send this to Arrowhead so it can get addressed? This is just very silly to have going on in the game 🤣

[@Rashed1255]

I’ve just had a game where we consistently had 5 to 10 chargers active at all engagements, half of which were super chargers, they’ve reduced the spawns to the point theres more chargers. X) To make things worse, I was running the Spear to kill titans while another guy was running the flamethrower so I had to sit back and assist him with killing cuz no way I’m killing 20 chargers with 4 missiles 😆

[@colinheller6701]

Yeah, I’m not a big fan of how many chargers there are. They’ve always been the biggest nuisance as someone who uses the Arc Thrower, but now they’re just too much to deal with sometimes. Back to waiting for more updates for me.

[@Clifford1423]

The W meta is something that gives me a little smile. It may be a bug or unintended feature, but with the nature of the game I think it fits so well.

[@AlexOvTheAbyss]

Where do you submit bugs? I've run into a number of them that are not on the "known bugs" list

[@smirokgambeson3020]

Punching as you pull the trigger really does make the bullet do more damage What a gun meme brainrot moment

[@protonjones54]

Certified bussin sigma chungus gooner skibidi rizz baba booi moment

[@field8669]

I don't play bugs often but I just chuck a 500kg on the ground and lure the charger into it, works most of the time

[@Faceball12]

Reload animation cancel for RR is fine imo but this tech is so stupid it makes me not want to use it, think I’m gonna stick to the flame thrower

[@epsilon1372]

I know you can kill chargers with the HMG but does it do it well enough to make it practical to bring over the other smgs or anti tanks for bugs?

[@epsilon1372]

I meant MGs not smgs

[@thiccfila]

I think all the MGs feel pretty good this patch, they're all a bit suboptimal, but they aint bad

[@octaffxiv]

Is this why it's easier to one shot bile titans with Spear across the map than up close? Because the missile is traveling faster over time therefore dealing more damage?

[@thiccfila]

umm im pretty sure spear has fall off damage, also spear has like 1000 damage, bile titan heads are 750, it just needs to hit the head. bile titan heads are weird and if its a smidge off it wont kill it. It's also usually due to attack animations and such, so when its far away its not in attack animations not messing with your damage

[@octaffxiv]

@@thiccfila Nice! thank you I was always curious as to why I can consistently take them out not in combat makes sense!

[@void.society]

They need to make the drop off damage start at a specific range.. Like after 45m for shotguns, 60m for ARs, 80m for mgs and snipers, and 100m for rockets.

[@kelmirosue3251]

I had no idea their back legs had less HP, I'll have to aim there with the flamethrower

[@kokorochacarero8003]

You mean falloff damage starts applying AS SOON AS THE SHOT LEAVES THE CHAMBER instead of from the effective range onwards, even for LASER weapons? And you can punch extra damage onto the projectile moving at hundreds of m/s by just WALKING FORWARD? They find a new way to disappoint me with their logic everyday. This is the rEaLiSm that drives their design

[@bradc4277]

You can’t expect a carbon copy of real life in a video game. Game logic will always be a factor for a good game. That being said, the falloff damage is really annoying.

[@kokorochacarero8003]

@@bradc4277 yes, game logic should be a factor. But the thing with arrowhead is they throw game logic out the window everytime and chose the most annoying implementation possible and their excuse is always "muh realism"

[@bradc4277]

@@kokorochacarero8003 that’s a fair criticism. Just hang in there, I know this game has a lot of potential, and it’s the one of the few games to scratch the horde shooter itch for me. I’ve heard something about an AH member live-streaming himself playing the game, and people can ask him to use certain weapons they feel are unbalanced or shitty in their current state. It’s relieving to see an AH guy see the problems people are talking about live.

[@yuandatriogary191]

Spear is the best for titans and charger now, 1 shot to the head, takes some practice tho but 9nce you're good.. spear is OP

[@__Razer]

Does this tech make Diligence one-tap Devastators?

[@Atzy]

Wait the new booster causes you to loose frames? What? How?

[@fishtoduface]

Did you have a chance to test eruptor?

[@kevinuribe318]

Can the railgun do the same ?! Or no

[@Shyloh117]

Stun grenades and a flamethrower make behemoth chargers a non-issue.

[@thiccfila]

not everyone wants to use the flamethrower forever, its the best option, but there are many other options to make builds work =)

[@Shyloh117]

@@thiccfila Yeah I agree, I'd like to use other support strats because it's not fun bringing the same stuff every game. The EATS and quasar are just a lot of fun to use.

[@prabhav1788]

i wanna use a stalwart but the game forces anti tank support weapons only

[@thant0s]

*Bile Titan bugposters be like* …

[@bradychapman5645]

Dude, seeing how the flamethrower has always been my favorite support weapon (on the bugs), I’m scared that now that it’s probably the best bug support weapon that it’ll get accidentally bugged and nerfed through some tweaking around with it 💀.

[@ProCoolBlue]

yeah i dont wanna have to use the W key like an exploit just to make the game function as what we would most definetely assume to be intended, they just need to fix this immdiately its gamebreaking.

[@diclonius7]

I've just been going back to using the railcannon since it just auto deletes behemoth chargers.

[@thiccfila]

Try the orbital precision instead, it wants a stun grenade too but it's only 90 second cooldown

[@rinshotin2521]

I like your pfp, it's really cute!

[@dunadan7136]

@@thiccfila Orbital Precision Strike gang rise up But for real, Orbital Precision Strike has so much more value than Railcannon Strike it's insane. It can even one shot a whole gaggle of Chargers if they're packed together.

[@calmhorizons]

​@@dunadan7136yeah. You need to know the timings of the enemy attacks, but with the reduced cool down I can no reliably one shot bile titans and chargers with it.

[@12LoLproductions]

No headshot, can we still headshot chargers with EAT/RR?

[@thiccfila]

Not the tankier ones. The head is never worth going for. The spear can do it though

[@THE_RAMALAMADINGDONG]

So.....walk forward when I shoot and shoot the back legs?

[@thiccfila]

walk forward when shooting front legs, back legs dont matter

[@actualteddybear891]

I dont get why we need a charger and tankier charger if they both do the same thing.

[@hariman7727]

I've been lucky to have good teams against bugs, so we generally teamworked the Chargers and Charger Behemoths to death.

[@MrWeeseAChine]

The coding and bugs in this game never fail to surprise me.

[@calmhorizons]

The real game ending bugs are in the code. 😂

[@1LikeCake]

Dropoff for bullet yes...for explosive is kinda dumb

[@thiccfila]

anti tanks are majority ballistic piercing damage, and the explosive is secondary and doenst even have pen

[@osomo8411]

Problem is they spawn 4-6 every bug tunnel and after you killed them all anew bug tunnel spawn wasting a lot of your time especially if near objectives

[@Paradox1012]

They could just fix these things by adding 1-2 damage to everything

[@thiccfila]

EVERY GUN NEEDS BUFFED BY 1 DAMAGE

[@BennyKay455]

Probably easiest to just change the drop-off calculation formula to round up (or add 1).

[@wise5526]

ty

[@JacksOLantern]

Dude thats crazy lol

[@ketsuekikumori9145]

Time to put my phlog pyro training to work.

[@Jan-oe4cc]

"Apeing" is the meta, gotcha! CHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGE!!!!!!!! 😂😂😂

[@idlehour]

I one shot myself through the floor tons lately. Still enjoying the game though

[@Preaplanes]

I might just keep running the spear. Forever.

[@MrDoggo23]

What the hell is this damage system. Good lord.

[@ShermanistDruid]

It's what you get when you leave the QA/playtesting to the community.

[@thoughtgaming492]

Just buff all damage by 1 behind the screens. Still say 125 damage on the front end but on the back end just have it at 126.

[@calmhorizons]

It's opaque hot fix coding like this that causes these problems in the first place.

[@thoughtgaming492]

@@calmhorizons no, the thing that causes issues like this is exactly what is explained in the video. On the code you’d likely input the intended damage output (125) and then have a separate piece of code that adds 1, or .1, or however much is needed to counter balance falloff, with a note stating that it’s for the purposes of falloff damage. That way the intended and actual damage output are the same, and the number the devs enter for intended damage is also the same. Alternatively you add a couple frames before damage falloff is active at all.

[@inyashadog9336]

They could have gave every gun one extra damage behind the scenes

[@GeepeBrow]

EAT and recoiless 1 shot behemot, while Autocannon sentry can kill 3 of them, Good spot and you just throw stun nade.

[@phoenixlamp2]

I don’t understand why the anti tanks have drop off anyways? They’re explosives? It’s not like an rpg does less damage because it was shot from further away. Shit makes no sense

[@calmhorizons]

"Realism"

[@Legendary_Honey]

This is so cursed, lol. What a goofy workaround.

[@ncsharkmanandk9queen904]

Where is the oneshot?

[@void.society]

They're gunna nerf my incen breaker T~T

[@gunzorzz]

A smol nitpick here. They didnt add the behemoths to the game as they been ingame forever. They just buffed them and added more of them to higher diff

[@bradc4277]

Yeah before this update I saw one and then never again lol

[@stephensmith7432]

Shoot the front armor off the leg quaser the shoot with shotgun

[@damiancalderon6327]

it would be easier to lower every enemy's health by one.

[@thant0s]

And you got igits out here saying WE’RE wrong for thinking this is a problem that should have been fixed long ago if the balance team actually played their damn game. -_- New direction with recent update and Pile’s urgency to improve optics and fun likely will get this addressed though; was 100% with you on the fast and dirty +1 global damage idea just to triage the problem. Gives them plenty of time to troubleshoot a more thorough design correction later.

[@ShermanistDruid]

Yeah I don't understand people defending poor game design/mechanics, we point these things out because we want the game to be and do better.

[@nitrumlegal7470]

the meta is to press W LETS GOOOOO

[@SaffronTheBat]

thos damage falloff is so stupid it affects so many weapons in a negative way its laughable

[@lejenddairy]

Flamethrower go pfffff

[@charlie2105]

Who is Zety?

[@gzngahrofthenorth]

"The new booster was actually making me lose FPS" average ps5 enjoyer: wtf is fps?"😂

[@lukasart3951]

I want normal chargers back. They made anti tanks nearly useless again.

[@k_the_v]

"You gotta be a Heavy machinegun enjoyer"? You were toxic AF and called me a larper for using the heavy machineguns Real name: MG-206.

[@Darkwater1886]

The "realism" really sucks the fun out of this game sometimes.

[@Omni0404]

I know this isn't very democratic of me.... but the charger in the thumbnail looks sort of adorable 🥺

[@legitbetterthanvinny9725]

Democracy officer, this one right here

[@zerantox5505]

this is so stupid smh my head

[@zerantox5505]

the video is great tho

[@greyfox2344]

This is interesting, but I hate it. I don't want this bug.

[@agps4418]

goddamn they're lazy as f**k.... from unelegant spawning to dropoff damage on rockets..

[@zaviusfirerave]

No, drop off damage is dumb

[@crescentsweep2460]

This is what happens when devs don’t test anything before releasing new patches

[@294inLouisiana]

Wow! Moving forward while shooting the anti tank weapons?! This is proof that the game is broken in so many areas. Smh. We now have to learn weird fighting techniques to succeed in a game that the developers pride themselves as a realistic game. The only thing real is the egos at Arrowhead.

[@SteveAkaDarktimes]

AH I SEE! How Brilliant of our scientist to Punish Cowardly Behaviour amongst the Helldivers! A True Paragon of Liberty would of course march steadfastly towards his vile Foes! Not one step back! The entire mechanical foundation of this game is just pure, overcomplicated Jank, isn't it? WHYYY did they even bother with damage falloff in a PVE Coop Horde shooter? it adds NOTHING.