How To Alienate The Audience - Chris Gore

[@filmcourage]

How To Alienate The Audience (PART 2) - kzbin.info/www/bejne/rIGlYZqIbMpsf7s

[@kashmirha]

The problem is not the second quote, they can adapt the story at some level. The problem is bad story, bad acting, bad directiors... Thats a problem.

[@roncondon4679]

Go to a used book store and read the books dude, you'll love it, and further advance your opinions

[@silentwitness536]

Who said the second quote?

[@danielmartin8913]

"We're living in a time now where everything creative is being undone and remade, and not with the interest of preserving the original author's intention...whatever era that person came from." Great insight from Chris Gore.

[@carveorpawley4406]

It could be likened to ISIS destroying Palmyra. A group whose intention is to cover up the past and promote their own worldview leaving future generations with a distorted history.

[@rouninpanda6318]

@@carveorpawley4406 Or the people who felt the need to shoot the nose off the Sphinx, burn the Library of Alexandria, or break the penises off ancient Roman statues. Or you know, people in the West today tearing down statues of historic figures they have no clue about. Preservation is meaningless to all these people.

[@The_Primary_Axiom]

The irony is majority of these woke people don’t even care for the material or will even watch it. So these creators end up alienating their true die hard fans to cater to a group of people that don’t even watch the shit in the first place.

[@ginogatash4030]

There's an argument to be made about how this heavy push for remakes and adaptations has left new talents starved of making new projects, you almost never get to see something new that isn't based on some old story, and while thus has always been standard with films based on books, directors and studios were allowed to really do whatever the fuck they wanted, which is frustrating for fans but did allow fir some of the greatest movies ever made, like Kubrick's works, but nowadays due to everyone bashing on adaptations that take liberties and expects faithful adaptations, studios feel the pressure to keep them somewhat the same or at least the general gist of them, this obviously restricts creatives who struggle to get their ideas out and have to work on adaptations as there are so goddammit many, so the compromise seems to be sacrifing the faithfulness of these adaptations to let writers and such finally have a chance to make something that represents them while also cashing on the franchises studios want to milk. This obviously creates an identity issue in the project that hinders the final product, as it can't differ to the point of becoming it's own thing, and the staff gets filled with writers who feel trapped in these old series they really couldn't give less of a shot about, but also can't be a one to one adaptation because studios don't care getting people who actually know about the source material, opting instead to hire whoever to make it as fast as possible, not justifying bad entertainment, but you have to feel bad for the people who can't get their vision and world view out without attaching themselves to someone completely different, our society has changed so much yet we rarely get to rapresent it, and are instead tightly tied to the past, but because copyrights last a hundred fucking years studios have centuries to milk their franchises before having to come up with anything new, so bad adaptations of old media are here to stay while new stuff doesnt get a chance to even be made.

[@rouninpanda6318]

@@ginogatash4030 It does actually sound like you're making excuses. LotR was an established work and Peter Jackson brought it to life as faithfully as he was able. It was loved and probably will be for generations. Whereas The Wheel of Time and The Witcher, which haven't been adapted to live action before, already suffers from contemporary politics. Three highly successful and beloved sequel series sprung up from Star Trek TOS in the 80's and 90's without being bogged down with wokeism. Even Enterprise is an example of somewhat successfully switching up the formula without being unfaithful. Yet STD and PIC are trash that don't even try to maintain the spirit of Star Trek. It's just generic sci-fi with a Star Trek skin suit. Same with Star Wars. So the problem is not that creators are incapable of making faithful adaptations or sequels that can still tell a fresh new story with fresh new actors, the problem is corporate execs and Twitterati won't allow fresh new creators from doing so. There are too many generic or asinine checkboxes that the story must conform to now that are in no way related to any established material, but entirely formed from contemporary politics, a one sided view of them to boot.

[@mattt2277]

A very polite way of saying "stop standing on the shoulders of giants just to take a shit on them". Great interview, very well spoken

[@nicolasgamant7389]

who's that from ? i'm definitly gonna steal that XD

[@redchariots5428]

Freaking pigeons....

[@mattt2277]

@@nicolasgamant7389 can't be certain tbh. Think I heard Just Some Guy say it. I'm not claiming it as my own!

[@nicolasgamant7389]

@@mattt2277 well it's a good one anyway :) i'll sure re-use that one

[@rigelb9025]

@@mattt2277 Haha. ''Just Some Guy'' may have said it.. therefore, it could technically be from anybody!! Let's just file it under ''Public Domain - Fair Use''.

[@seraphinaaizen6278]

The problem is that too many studios are making movies and tv shows to appeal to culture critics instead of appealing to an actual audience.

[@emhu2594]

If they weren’t making money, they wouldn’t do it.

[@tiaferguson8848]

@@emhu2594 they do lose money most of the time.

[@Stroggoii]

@@emhu2594 Ask Uwe Boll how hard it is to actually lose money in film when you're connected.

[@thatHARVguy]

@Clifford V The culture critics are not the paying customer.

[@billybatson8657]

ie: social engineering, which I personally believe is the most egregious thing that any human can do to another.

[@moroc333]

You know you messed up greatly when you have one of the biggest and most loyal fan bases in the history not making a fuzz or even talking about the new and shinny entry to the franchise, even after a decade of literally nothing else coming out besides a couple of videogames. That's how tired audiences are of this nonsense

[@DriveSL]

Can not even begin to say how much I agree with your sentiment.

[@rejectionistmanifesto8836]

This series will be one of the greatest financial disasters is TV show history after all thr revelations how the show Rings of Power completely destroys the source material. It is an absolute abomination.

[@KurtFeudaleKing]

Only think I disagree with that you said is "new entry to the franchise" since it doesn't not even qualify. Sadly. But all points are 100% correct.

[@ItsDaKoolaidDude]

The activists sure AF aren't tired Neither are the companies or their idiot CEOs.

[@AttilaVoices]

Yeah... I honestly watched LOtR so many times that I know it by heart but I can't even bring myself to watch the series... I feel I'd ruin it all, the memories. Plus I saw the trailers and don't agree with its world lol

[@afterwit3620]

Chris Gore is such a breath of fresh air. He's not an agenda guy (though he's very cognizant of them) or an industry guy (though he knows the industry very well). He's a storytelling-through-film guy. Period. Thanks for bringing him back in general, and having him discuss Amazon's approaching train wreck in particular. Please bring him back again and again.

[@filmcourage]

This is the first segment from a new interview we filmed this week. We have a lot more to share in the coming weeks.

[@dementiabiden1621]

He was great on Friday Night Tights on Nerdrotic.

[@AgeDrain]

He’s saying what everyone is thinking and it brings the culture together in a great way

[@ct4074]

"Everything Woke turns to pigshit!"

[@afterwit3620]

@@SirBlackReeds I guess, but I like him because I think his opinions are honestly his own, and aren't influenced by trends or the "correct" opinions. I can't stand The Last Jedi, but if he did rate it that way, I honestly believe that's his true opinion.

[@stoner36s]

“There is no curse in Elvish, Entish, or the tongues of Men for this treachery.” ― J.R.R. Tolkien

[@christophersanders3252]

What can man do against such reckless hate?

[@jimmyshady7205]

@@christophersanders3252 Ride out with me! Ride out with me and we take them head on! Let the horn of helm hammerhand sound in the deep! One LAST TIME!!!"

[@christophersanders3252]

@@jimmyshady7205 Let this be the hour when we draw swords together. Fell deeds awake. Now for wrath, now for ruin, and the red dawn!

[@jimmyshady7205]

@@christophersanders3252 FORTHHHH EORLINGASSS!!!!!

[@georgeakoto6589]

" I will cut off your head dwarf, if you stood a little higher from the ground"

[@luelee6168]

"It felt only natural to us that an adaptation of the author's work would reflect what the world actually looks like." Except this isn't our world, its Tolkien's. That quote is just an excuse to negate the fact that they were never interested in respecting the source material or the author. This was a way to subvert and dismantle the west's most iconic fantasy, hijack it for their own and retell it in accordance to their personal agenda and ideology.

[@cinemapigeon4898]

Excuse to be garbage and when they get criticized for garbage, they deflect the blame to the fans instead of themselves. It's like already giving up.

[@TheBusyHoneyBee]

They could just create a new world, a new story, new caracters and only referenced tolken as an inspiration and that would be ok for everybody. I don't understand Hollywood white washing Avatar - the last Air bender, Dragon ball and divercifying Tolken's work. Choose another history to tell that is already diverse or create a new one...

[@acethemain7776]

@@TheBusyHoneyBee if they did then their "message" whatever satanic shit that it, wouldn't spread as much

[@EmperorSigismund]

@@TheBusyHoneyBee Because works that have survived history, such as Tolkien, do so because they reflect reality in creative ways. The people tearing these stories apart have no grip on reality, nothing they make transcends their shallow, contemporary tastes. When seen from outside their fragile cultural bubble they look insane and their creations, souless and sterile.

[@TomorrowWeLive]

and also most of us aren't living in the hyper diverse hyper-leftist environment of the American liberal coastal elite. So it's not even true. She means what "her" world looks like. Which, again, makes no sense, since it is impossible to imagine any society more utterly different from Tolkien's Middle Earth than a 21st century American democrat supercity.

[@randell9667]

It began with the forging of the great films. Threads were given by Tolkien, immortal, wisest and fairest of all beings. Rights were granted to Jackson, great miner and craftsman of the mountain of lore. And nine, nine hours were gifted to the race of men, who above all else, desire quality. But they were all of them deceived, for another show was made. In the land of Amazon, in the fires of Mount Prime, the Dark Lord Bezos forged in secret a master flop. And into this show he poured his money, his greed and his will to dominate all film. One show to ruin them all. For into darkness fell Tolkien's star; In Amazon, where no bathrooms breaks are.

[@JohnGardnerAlhadis]

Beautiful.

[@BigBear--]

@Randell -

[@danielhogan6255]

you added two lines to a comment thats been going viral since before the show dropped. Even comments are not safe from amazons rewriting staff.

[@intodark]

Wow this whole comment has more poetic value than the dialogues in the show 😅

[@danteamodeo1061]

brilliant

[@MrBellsa61]

1:46 "he (Peter Jackson) trusted in the story" This guy hits the nail on the head. Showrunners for trashed series like WoT and LOTR proclaim themselves to be huge fans, but when you hear them talk, they sound as if they don't actually believe the story could work as is.

[@gokux75]

A lot of them have probably been brainwashed to believe you can't enjoy a story if the characters are not the same race, sexuality, and class as you so they think by making everything diverse it actually makes the story better.

[@FamousGirlfriend]

This!

[@cammoblammo]

Peter Jackson changed the story in significant ways, changed characters completely, added his own fluff and ripped out thematically critical episodes in the story. Jackson trusted in the story, but only so far as it agreed with the story he wanted to tell.

[@SpencerLemay]

@@cammoblammo Considering what we got was 12 hours long I think everything he removed was necessary for it to work as a movie. You can't have Tom Bombadil and you can't have the scouring of the shire, because they completely break the format of a movie. Starting an entire new story arc in the last half hour of the final movie after the big bad is dead just doesn't work, and Tom Bombadil does nothing to advance the actual story, he is just an aside in an already very long movie. When you remove those elements it's a snowball and you have to rework a lot of other details. Gimley? He was funny, and he could still be taken seriously.

[@saldzbob9972]

What's WoT

[@karenhall4645]

Peter Jackson's quote shows an understanding of fantasy. When we read or watch fantasy we don't want to see our world, we want to escape to another world. The second quote proves that so many movie makers today just don't understand what the majority of fans and viewers want. We want Tolkien's world, not the filmmakers reworking of that world.

[@cheesi]

Honestly I think both approaches are valid IF you're actually being artistic. Fantasy definitely can be used to say things about this world, even if it isn't the most popular approach. I don't think much that comes from Amazon is gonna have an artistic bone in its body, though, I never would have any expectations for either method being done well.

[@bigbro6446]

@@cheesi For sure, to say there aren't political undertones in say Lord of The Rings wouldn't be fair to say. But I think the line that can be crossed is brought into question when those messages and themes are tampered with. If you're making an adaptation and you mess up the themes regardless of how well received it is.. it's still considered a "poor" adaptation. Which is what many are fearing with Amazons venture, sure there is always room for new stories with their own themes.. but even with that there is still and established Lore of a worlds culture and of specific characters, and it's when that is tampered with that the artistic bone is irrelevant sadly.

[@cheesi]

@@bigbro6446 Yeah, there's definitely a distinction between adaptation (trying to recreate something) and appropriation (taking something and changing it pretty wildly, often either directly or indirectly criticising smething about the original without necessarily being nasty about it). I wouldn't say one is better than the other as a rule, but if you're doing Lord of the Rings with a huge budget and everything... yeah, I'd just play it safe and give people what they want. It's not every day something like this happens, sweeping changes to fit modern sensibilities just sound too risky.

[@chrisdin4109]

@cheesilad I don't think they do it to be artistic. I think they sit in a boardroom and spend time checking off demographic boxes. They want their audience to be as large as possible. Amazon cares about money. They don't care about diversity or writing a good story.

[@ChiggidyChuck]

@@cheesi thank you both for having such a cordial disposition and intelligently discussing the issues at play with this show (which are striking and obvious IMO and are the exact same issues many other "modern" versions of classic IPs have been facing in the 2010s/2020s). By my reckoning, fantasy stories are meant to be escapist, inclusive, ch

[@MercifulAndvary]

Can we just stop for s moment and reflect on how lucky Peter Jackson was to film his first trilogy before all… this started happening in the industry? And, consequently, how lucky we are to have this first trilogy.

[@scubasteve2189]

Yes. I also feel the same about the Infinity Saga of the MCU. Sure, some of the weird identity politics started creeping in a little before the end, but for the most part it’s a series that is loyal to the source material, males are allowed to be heroes, etc. They would never make Captain America today the way we got him originally. They would screw it up completely if they were starting now.

[@Grubnar]

He (or they) was the right man at the right place and the right time!

[@hungryninja123]

@@scubasteve2189 Dude, Captain America mentions how there is "only one God" in the first avengers movie. When I was rewatching it I was thought the same thing, theyd never let him be like that today.

[@MercifulAndvary]

@@Peter-ff1tp, the second trilogy was a “studio project” rather than s passion project for Jackson. He initially refused to direct it, was later lured into it by a heft paycheck, and so we got what we got.

[@baronsengir187]

@@hungryninja123 That is a bit reaching

[@fcohndzlopez0106]

Man I'm Mexican and I don't need to see myself in Tolkien's world to feel included...I related with hobbits as a kid because we'd love to eat💜😂...Now if a major studio would like to take a similar idea like tolkeins and apply it to the Aztec/Mayan cultures of sorts and make it all mythical with all the mythical gods and creatures...🤷🏽‍♂️👀👀🔥Now we're talking about diversity and inclusion done the right way. Imagine apocalypto but with mythical creatures and on larger scale exploring tenochtitlán and other kingdoms and it's creatures and stuff

[@danielhogan6255]

shiiit im white as an a4 page and i would genuinely be excited to see it! dude that hobbit line is perfect! "we'd love to eat"🤣 duuuude same! "what about elevensies? Second breakfast? Afternoon tea?" *gets tossed an apple* 🤣🤣

[@manuellanderos7904]

Bro same! I don't care about all that because the elves always looked badass to me and there I was, a little chubby Mexican kid thinking I was an elf 😂

[@ThashniNaidoo]

I'm Indian and I related to Eowyn's character and insecurities

[@Blottingpaper]

You'd probably get people screeching to the high heavens about cultural appropriation.

[@calamityjenn]

I would absolutely watch that!

[@SYLTales]

"The fanbase are fans. They like the source material because it's the source material they like. If you do something else, you risk alienating the fans on a monumental level. It's no longer Batman if he's a news reporter in a yellow trenchcoat with a pet bat." - _Neil Gaiman_

[@Lawrence_Talbot]

“Everything Woke turns to shit” -Donald Trump.

[@Seriously_Unserious]

Especially if that news reporter happens to also be based out of New York and is friends with 4 anthropomophic turtles who are in their teens and study ninjutsu, and their anthropomorphic rat teacher and father figure. You're gonna alienate both fan bases, because to one, it's not Batman anymore, and to the other, it's not OUR yellow wearing TV news reporter. A well made crossover, eg, the turtles meet Batman or something can work very well if done very well.

[@Seriously_Unserious]

@@Lawrence_Talbot Definitely. That's because the Critical Race Theory crowd cannot create, only destroy or corrupt.

[@peterlewerin4213]

Is that a genuine quote? I'm asking because Gaiman is famous for the most pervasive reinventing of a comics character ever, taking Sandman out of Metropolis or whatever and making him one with current culture. And it was very successful.

[@peterlewerin4213]

@@Lawrence_Talbot It's tempting to say that he should know, since he has had a long and solid career of turning things to shit. But he's wrong. "Woke" is what the American Dream used to be: you can be anything that you set your mind to be.

[@forgivemenot1]

When it comes to J R R Tolkien he was meticulous in his world building and had huge variety of notes that was a background to those stories going back thousands of years and even to creation, nothing was missed, that's just how detailed he was, mythology/language/maps/genealogy/races all of it was thought out and perfectly explained, so when the show runner I believe it was made that second quote it showed she and the others working on this show should have never been allowed anywhere near it!

[@samgoff5289]

The sad part is in games and movies this is the perfect series, already completely built up and thought out with everything needed to make a great series and it goes unused for so long only to be changed and ruined

[@brgessner]

Apparently they don't have the rights to the Silmarillion which is (part) of the reason they are minimzing Tolkien and puffing themselves up.

[@artbargra]

It's like someone saying "I can improve classics. Let's make Beethoven's 9th or the Mona Lisa more modern". It's dumb, pointless and even dangerous.

[@Heat3YT2]

@@artbargra i would argue that if you want the classics then go to the classics. Why bother looking at something new and wanting it to be exactly like something old? Just for a modern example, how many different versions of Batman we have on film and TV and comics already. Which is equal to the original comic? Who cares! Enjoy them for what they are. They are not republishing Tolkien’s books under his name and saying the old no longer exists. It is still there for you to buy and read.

[@bryansmith1691]

There's a difference between asking for it to be exactly like the source and asking for them to not remake the lore for a world which they are stepping into.

[@Barada73]

That second quote is also corporate speak for, “If you object to our dumb ideas, then we’re just going to smear you as a racist to scare you into silence.” While that tactic might have worked 4-5 years ago, people are starting to see through it and attacking your potential audience is usually a sure sign that the creators know they have made a substandard product.

[@Ruffian1790]

The same thing happened in politics, on both "sides," if to varying degrees. If you, the voter, aren't on board with what a party's program is doing 150%, or worse, you prefer the other party's program.... well, let the name-calling and demonization commence. Substandard product indeed - I love it!

[@commandercaptain4664]

@@lemonblue6282 Hollywood is after creating the casual fanbase with disposabl income far more than catering to any actual stingy fanbase which is harder to please.

[@titusorelius9458]

@Salt Meister Hollywood is seeking the "Prequels Effect". Is in the Star Wars Prequels. Stars Wars fanbase is very split on the prequels and it is clearly divided between New and Old Fans. The old fans think it is trash because they compare it to the original but the New Fans are often people that saw the Prequels as Children so to them it will always be kind of awesome. They pretty much become life-long fans that way. If you can capture the child's mind you have a customer for life.

[@PopCultureNihilist]

@Salt Meister “blackwashing” isn’t a thing. Especially in the context you’re using it. Everyone screaming that they aren’t racist while also screaming that Middle Earth can’t have non-white characters except the ones with allegiance to the dark lord is problematic. I’m not a corporation. I have no personal investment in whether the film succeeds or not. I know “the source material, dah, dah, dah” but even Gore acknowledged that Jackson tweaked the novel for adaptation. So, basically the rhetoric is “change things if you want, as long as you don’t let black people wear pointy ears, too.” Am I missing something?

[@nuckygulliver9607]

they'll 'trudeau' you

[@guitarsenpai420]

So basically this series will be the most expensive "how do you do fellow kids" moment of all time.

[@the_j_machine2254]

What do you mean by that?

[@bluelobster246]

In his quotations search it up its a funny ass meme and starting comment is 100% true f*ck the woke garbage amazon in putting out.

[@spicydong317]

@@the_j_machine2254 People that know nothing about franchise, trying to appeal to fans by acting like they understand franchise, ignoring the canon

[@the_j_machine2254]

@@spicydong317 ah, like adding elements for the sake of politics, elements that existed outside of the canon, and just adding them for their own _depraved_ agenda.

[@flippy66]

@@the_j_machine2254 No, as in people who are completely out-of-touch trying to make something for people they don't understand. Not necessarily by adding in politics or any other agenda (which is most likely not depraved).

[@logicplague]

"That trailer looks like dollar-store GoT" Damn, I felt that burn! Seriously, I don't watch a show or a movie to hear their political views, I'm pretty sure we're all familiar at this point. I'm with Chris, I also just want a good story.

[@paulelroy6650]

and who says the story isnt good. people are bitching before even watching the fucking show which is stupid

[@niuniuita]

why do we need to put propaganda into movies and tv shows like nazis did back then?

[@SmokeyEdits]

that is not what this video is about

[@Dowlphin]

I watched the trailer yesterday and today I don't remember anything from it. (Although as he said we can grant some leeway by acknowledging that it was just an early teaser trailer. But I wouldn't be surprised if it was already signaling the problem he mentioned.)

[@mr_indie_fan]

@@SmokeyEdits you havent watched the video then!

[@jenni5104]

The biggest mistake they could ever make was going after Tolkien. This is the oldest, one of (if not) the biggest and one of the most loyal fandoms in the world.

[@jakomioftherose2434]

And the last fandom that shouldn't get corrupted.

[@tawmydukes]

@@jakomioftherose2434 the hearts of men are easily corrupted and The Rings of Power was allowed to endure under the watchful eye of Jeff Bezos

[@Salsadancer45]

@@jakomioftherose2434 and quite literally the last alliance of elves and men

[@mikearchibald744]

Not at all. Any ACTUAL Tolkien fans hated Jacksons movies because they took the heart out of hte books. They took out the religion, the importance of music, they didn't even have Tom Bombadil and axed the ending with Saruman. Anybody that says they liked LOTR certainly can't be taken seriously as any kind of guardian of Tolkiens vision. This new show at least is the second age where we have virtually NO dialogue of Tolkiens to get re written and only a vague idea of what went on. Thats unlike LOTR or that even worse bastardization that became The Hobbit.

[@gregholms3635]

@@jakomioftherose2434 Aren't you all so precious.

[@ravegyrl3200]

Love that you got Chris Gore to speak on this. The audience is fed up with Hollywood screwing with the classics. LOTR is a bridge too far and I knew the fight from the fans would be intense. Amazon had no idea the fury they unleashed. They are caught between doubling down and damage control. The good thing to come out of this is that people will appreciate the masterpiece that is the LOTR trilogy even more and new and curious fans will hopefully seek it out.

[@Sweetish_Jeff_]

Almost as bad as Kevin Smith emasculating He-Man and "Masters of the Universe". Kevin might be half the man he used to be physically, but sadly he is as a filmmaker, too. We all make mistakes and I'll always love Kevin and appreciate him for the great films he's done. And, I'm so happy that he's alive after that close call a few years ago. He just made a calculated error by attacking the fans of He-Man because they rightly called him out on shoddy work.

[@ravegyrl3200]

@@Sweetish_Jeff_ I remember sitting in front of the tv watching He-Man as a kid. I was so excited to hear about the new version with Kevin Smith at the helm. I heard the rumblings on the internet and didn’t want to believe it. I saw one ep and was just resigned to the fact that it was the ultimate bait and switch, but on the bright side we still have the classic show.

[@themilkybarkid8092]

I'm literally re reading the books on audio tape at work in preparation to completely ignore this new rings of Walmart grabage

[@chrisjfox8715]

Vote with your eyeballs. Fury means nothing if the ratings tell them to do it again

[@barcali89]

@@themilkybarkid8092 🤣🤣👏!!

[@davidsimon5088]

We don't read and watch Tolkein to experience what the world currently looks like. We do it to experience what he wrote and to experience what he was influenced by.

[@Marchoupi]

“Evil is not capable of creating anything new, it can only distort and destroy what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” - J.R.R. Tolkien

[@jeremygegogeine5865]

Great quote and the fact it came from Tolkien well thats just extra points for you.

[@cheekytequilla7368]

That's not the quote. Ironically you're distorted the quote to fit your narrative.

[@mar10ssj1]

@@cheekytequilla7368 Ironically, you are distorting the distortion of the quote to better serve your narrative.

[@benleydon]

Lawd of de Rangz ?

[@ookami5329]

@Aquatic Ape lol what?

[@crimsongirl6080]

People saying that "we need to give it a chance", I just want to say: we already did. We watched the generic, deeply mediocre trailer, to the point that, at least in my case, if I hadn't know the title, I would have never guessed it had to do with Middle Earth. No, I say that "giving a chance" to this kind of thing is exactly why they big studios keep doing this. Star Wars, The Wheel of Time, The Witcher... They are confident you will watch them, no matter the reason. If you decide to pay Amazon Prime so you can "judge it for yourself, to see if "maybe it's not so bad", that's all they need. It's that simple. It doesn't matter if the product is bad, as long as people buy it. As long people watch it, they have no reason to care if you don't like it, you are already paying for it 🤷 And then they'll keep making garbage, and we'll keep consuming garbage. Thank you, goodnight.

[@DeepEye1994]

I have no idea why people think "It's not out yet so don't judge it!", being the opposite of worried/critical is just as baseless and blind. Reminds me how people were so fast at putting fucking Force Awakens in books about "1000 Movies You Must Watch Before You Die" and told you 'Shut up, the whole trilogy isn't out yet, so you can't hate it!', ah yes, but it's totally okay to put it on such a high pedestal despite having ZERO clue if the lazy retconning and character regression from ROTJ will be worth it or not. Bloody idiots.

[@scala3898]

The only thing I can do is unsubscribe. For this and all the dumping, and slavery they are doing

[@fullmetalwolf8594]

"Sorry Amazon...I am not giving you my money....just no...no thank you😡" I believe we are living in a world where intelligence within Hollywood is just not there anymore. It really breaks my heart when I think about it. We are living in a world where Hollywood refuses to take chances and try new things. That saddens me.

[@AresAlpha]

Does any else find it odd that Crimson Girl here name drops two critically acclaimed, wildly popular fantasy novel adaptations that worked closely with their respective authors in their argument that production teams don't care about the author's world.

[@squishmastah4682]

@@AresAlpha Only if you presume that she implied otherwise. I read it as "Regardless of what they had been"

[@brianbuttacavoli5692]

The best anybody can do is just read the books and realize how much of genius Tolkien was. He created multiple languages, had an extensive knowledge of history and mythology as well as linguistics, and generally was absolutely captivating in his descriptions of places, the people who lived there, and the forces that drove them. Peter Jackson was to LOTR, that Stanley Kubrick was to The Shining. If you are honest and faithful to the source material, you can fly on the shoulders of giant eagles, but if you are not, you could be doomed to be forever looking upward out from the Dead Marshes.

[@JulioLenin88]

Ironic, since King hated Kubrick's adaptation for making huge changes in the original story. And yet, The Shining is considered a masterpiece in cinema history. What it's important here is that if you are going to adapt and change some things, at least put some effort to make them good, and not because you want to fulfill your inclusion quota.

[@brianbuttacavoli5692]

@@JulioLenin88 TY for the comment. True, that was my point. I know the movie was different than the book , but so were the LOTR books vs. movies, but both movies were masterpieces (and yes some scenes could of been done differently) even though they were somewhat different. They conveyed the feeling of the book successfully. I hope this adaptation doesn't go astray. I just do not know if these guys have the ability and vision to do Tolkien justice. Amazon says they do, but we will see.

[@plutoh9958]

@@JulioLenin88 agreed. I don't think this is a very apt comparison. LOTR spans centuries of time. The journey in this book series is one of epic proportions. The shining is very much not any of that. It is only a few months of time, it is very individualistic, only concerning itself with one family and really just one member of the family primarily. The movie didn't represent the book well at all and added a bunch of stuff not in the original book. Regardless of how you feel about Stanley Kubricks movie it is not a faithful adaptation as you are stating in your comment. As someone who loved the book I didn't feel the movie captured the spirit of book well and neither did the author of the book.

[@rbu2136]

Speak truth to power. Or act like iPhone lefties…scream and break things.

[@Frankie5Angels150]

A famous critic at the time Tolkien’s books were released, said that every time he turned a page, he’d think “Oh cr@p, not another f**king dwarf!”

[@stephaniem6482]

Peter Jackson read the books when he was young and thought to himself "wow, whoever has to make those movies is going to have their work cut out for them"... he was definitely a fan before all was said and done. That's likely why the films were as good as they were.

[@Ihavehadmanynames7779]

These guys just keep pumping money into it thinking it will solve everything, it’s hilarious seeing them slowly loose their minds over the backlash while desperately trying to cover it up

[@reek4062]

Hahaha. Remember what Jackson did to Faramir?

[@nostalji93]

@@reek4062 To adapt most book stories into film you have to make changes. In Faramirs case it couldve been handled better, sure but it is nothing compared to the character butchering in RoP.

[@blaze4metal]

And nowadays, all these "reboots" and adaptations are created by people who not only haven't read the source material, but are typically proud of that fact (eg. Abrams with Star Trek, the corporate drones that did the Halo series, etc)

[@maxsdad538]

Then why was The Hobbit such a piece of shit? note: YouPuke tried to censor this comment.

[@paulgallagher5889]

The truly magical thing about great literature (or any story or script) is that the themes that you want to express are ALREADY THERE if you just write honestly. That's what Tolkein did and since he based it on "everyday life meets ultimate evil and war," those themes are present all around us forever to find and relate to!!!

[@Shango]

Yes. When I was hearing about how Putin wants to re-form the Soviet Union, it reminded me of Gandalf talking about how "the Dark Lord began to take shape and grow again." Although that's probably from the 1978 cartoon movie, rather than from the book.

[@blickedxb]

@@Shango I feel the same way whenever I hear people talk good about socialism (a form of government that has never worked anywhere in the history of the world)

[@Phoenix2312]

BEST... COMMENT... EVER!

[@Shango]

@@blickedxb Advocacy for socialism is more about short sighted juvenile tendency for rebellion than anything else.

[@CuT7yFlaM]

​@@Shango Ironically Europe has a foundation of certain socialist principles, but that's just that, and it's aimed at making the country run properly to handle the less capable and less resourced people - everything depends on how much you make at the end of the month. Beyond that nobody holds your hand - no jobs come down from the sky, no education is given freely, healthcare is only supported to a degree, no free housing, no free anything actually. It's not the utopia they want you to think possible, there is no such think as free, I mean in the end, it depends on your income sure but you still are taxed! And the more beneficial a government want to be, the more taxes you cash out

[@Protaneum]

I haven't researched Chris Gore's history but every video I've seen with him on this channel is gold.

[@aimlessgamer6187]

He's amazing. I highly recommend.

[@TonyLS9A]

Agreed. That second quote is disturbing. The story should reflect Tolkien’s world not ours. That’s the whole point of reading, watching fiction. Sigh.

[@RominaJones]

Yes, that's what I don't get. You adapt the work to bring us into his created world. We are escaping ours and going into another place formed from the mind of this writer now realised on screen. That's the whole point.

[@TubeEamo]

It's such a weird outlook. The whole appeal of A Song Of Ice and Fire (and Game Of Thrones) was it's political intrigue in a fantasy setting. But it was never *our* modern politics.

[@jacobodom8401]

@@TubeEamo Also when casting characters, they went out of their way to make sure that they casted actors that looked like the ethnicity of the characters. Rings of power could’ve been an opportunity to explore other ethnic groups and their cultures, but instead they just casted people of color as characters which were based on Anglo-Saxon mythology. It is the most shallow form of adding diversity to a story.

[@murphyc15]

Tolkien's world is supposed to be our world though

[@murphyc15]

@@jacobodom8401 which characters?

[@getgle]

“Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made.” - Lord of the Rings

[@CocoBanaka]

"Evil is not capable of creating anything new, it can only distort and destroy what has been invented or made by the forces of good." - J.R.R. Tolkien

[@Vv_JASPER_vV]

Perfect statement for this--as Chris said, everything seems to be unmade and redone (for the worse). As a side note, it seems Tolkien didn't say this exact quote, but in LOTR, he wrote something like "The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make". The concept of evil only being able to corrupt and distort, not create, is attributed to him though, and it is a huge shame to see that evil finally come for his life's work. :/

[@bo47_]

@James H whilst I agree with your sentiment, that's not a Tolkien quote

[@mr.hitchens]

"Don't believe stuff you read on the internet" -Plato.

[@GravityBoy72]

@@bo47_ It's not a Tolkien quote but he said something similar a few times.

[@emanuel_soundtrack]

@@mr.hitchens 😂

[@SJ-dl6uc]

she's such an underrated interviewer. no competition.

[@ravegyrl3200]

Totally agree! It always feels like a great conversation.

[@The0Kiyubii0Kid]

Sean from Hot Wings is the best interviewer on the planet.

[@Kiyoone]

This woman makes the right questions!! Not like those activists that works at the Magazine editorial.

[@luandeandrade4119]

She is awesome

[@jamesjazzjr.5820]

I agree. Who is she?

[@blatherskite3009]

That quote from Peter Jackson is actually a really good rule-of-thumb for anyone adapting a work to film, be it a novel, manga, a videogame, or anything else: do it in a way that would please the original author(s). Unnecessary and/or misguided changes aren't going to endear your adaptation to anyone; the fans will hate it, and even the non-fans will sense that something's gone amiss with the internal consistency of the work and wonder what the fans ever saw in it. The original work was popular for a reason, so it's best to be as faithful as you can be to the source material and trust that whatever qualities served to make it popular in the first place will translate over to your film. Obviously there are exceptions to every rule... Stanley Kubrick's adaptation of Stephen King's "The Shining" springs to mind; the author hated the changes but the film was successful in its own right. So I guess the footnote to that rule is: if you're going to make significant changes then you need to be at least as clever as the author ... and I mean for real, not just in your own opinion of yourself :)

[@thatoneantoid51]

So basically be as close as possible and if you need to change stuff do it in a way that the original author would've done it.

[@randomobserver8168]

Christopher Tolkien, if he can be accepted as partial stand in for his father, never seemed at all pleased. And I've never quite understood why not. Perhaps just disdain for the film medium itself is the root of it, and that can't be helped. I'd love to have seen Jackson tackle all the events of the Silmarillion properly. IF he overdid the Hobbit, his LOTR trilogy still stands as a masterpiece of respectful adaptation even if one can find objections. I don't think there will be any adaptation of anything quite as authentic or independently great again. Unless a good adaptation of poor recent material.

[@japz321]

@@thatoneantoid51 or if possible hire the author to screenwrite the movie, example: the godfather trilogy

[@basiwolf9147]

Changing up is no problem....if your smart.....the thing is...recently...they are not

[@mcwolf1096]

@@randomobserver8168 I obviously don't know Christopher Tolkien's mind, but I know that I still can't stand that trilogy _as a LotR adaptation._ They're amazing fantasy movies, no question there, but they _have_ changed a few too many things. Leaving aside the nitpicky stuff like orcs/goblins just being able to climb sheer walls/pillars _very_ quickly in Moria (which simply shows the Peter Jackson "zombie movie" handprint) and later needing ladders to climb and explosives to tear down walls, there's "movie stuff" like the Nazgul becoming really threatening far too quickly (in the books, they're more a looming threat on the horizon, coming a little bit closer with every encounter, but in the movies, even the first encounter on the road gets one within touching distance for f*cks sake!). But my biggest gripe is still Frodo's main motivation for sparing Gollum. In the books, he pities him first and foremost. Gollum being able to show them a way to and into Mordor is more of an excuse towards Sam. In the movies, he's far more calculating. Sure, there is some pity, but _using_ Gollum to get into Mordor is indeed a main reason, if not the main one. Now, why were Bilbo and Frodo able to resist the Ring for so long? Because of their goodness. That pity that Frodo felt towards Gollum was _critical_ in his resistance. The Frodo from the movies would have been like Boromir - seeing the ring more and more as a tool to be used, just like Gollum, and he would have fallen much sooner. So, sorry, but _that_ change alone is both a character assassination as well as a critical change of the actual story. This is _not_ Tolkien's Frodo, this is Peter Jackson's Frodo, and he's inconsistent.

[@drewshka]

We’re truly living through a dark age of media. How many more soulless committee-made movies and series can we endure before a new indie genre rises up out of necessity?

[@goldeneddie]

A 'dark age' - couldn't have put it any better!

[@rodjacksonx]

It's time to end the concept of intellectual property. It's served society up to now, but now it's just sacrificing quality ideas on the altar of corporate greed and political correctness.

[@robbieskids9159]

What else are you referring to other than LOTR?

[@ShootMeMovieReviews]

@@robbieskids9159 Everything. At this point, almost all 'franchise' films are made by Disney, and if not then are still just assembly-line products made by committee. Very few mainstream films have the mark of a filmmaker's vision any more. We see mostly rehashes of old stories, remakes, sequels, prequels, etc. The best work is nearly all being done in the low-mid budget range, and it's debatable whether films from the US are even on the same quality level as those from many countries with much smaller industries. In short, to see a good movie today you almost have to look at indie film, foreign film, and classic film. Mainstream is increasingly agenda-driven and soulless.

[@bruce-le-smith]

hah 'soulless committee-made' moving pictures, so true. this series seems hollow/empty so far, a string of static images, and very little brave storytelling about interpersonal relationships and challenges

[@Veteran_Spartan]

"We want it to reflect what the world actually looks like" ...... the world doesn't have wizards, elves, and orcs.

[@dylancross1039]

Well, orcs are an allegory for black people dontcha know? /s

[@MichaelAres]

That you know of!

[@jthen8454]

Gotta have black orcs because everything should be related to something as trivial as the color of a person's skin. Oh shit, I think that is actual racism.

[@honkworld9405]

Not so sure about the Orcs.

[@jonathanharwood1255]

@@honkworld9405 yeah, look at Maxine Waters. Definite orc lineage there.

[@nick_roers_stuff]

The fact that second quote exists is absolute insanity to me. I love fantasy because it's a chance to escape to an entirely different world, I already live in this one. If I'm going to see an adaptation I'm going to see the author's work come to life, not someone else's bad interpretation of the real world but with elves and dwarves that they claim to be LOTR. Make your own world if you want to do that.

[@slayermill8621]

They can't do that because the world they'd create would be complete nonsense that no one would pay to see. We'd end up with non-binary hobbits and pan sexual elves. Their sexual proclivities and gender identification would be carpet bombed throughout the movie for no discernable reason. It would add absolutely nothing to the plot or character development, but you'd surely know the zim from the zir.

[@ohifonlyx33]

Exactly. Its based in Anglo-Saxon/European and early British lore.... a little nprse perhaps thrown in there. But it's not meant to reflect our current sociopolitical climate. The thing that makes Tolkien's work so beloved is that it is a whole history with multiple cultures of it's own. And the people act as players in this world. And in doing so they create history. And the thing about history is that it rhymes, it echos, it repeats... it's full of human nature, the good and the bad and the ugly... and those themes are universal. Corruption, sacrifice, brotherhood, etc.

[@dericmederos1514]

Also, people mock those who want to escape from reality through fiction. They miss the point, I don't want to see gender issues in middle earth, it takes me out of the illusion of being in a fake world.

[@kharnthebetrayer1575]

That’s why they don’t have the rights to the 2nd age material, someone saw the garbage idea and said NO !

[@goblinsuburb]

that quote was specifically in reference to their choice to cast people of color in the show. that’s what they mean by what the “world actually looks like.” if your version of escaping reality is having a world without people of color, you’re not a good person

[@y_s4021]

Adapting for "modern audiences" can easily become "dated in a couple years"

[@blackest3314]

Well said damn. Going to steal it :D

[@futurestoryteller]

Modern things become outdated, imagine that...

[@RorikH]

Though the principle is sound, I don't think black people are going to be a dated reference anytime soon.

[@TheMasterQuests]

Yea mainly cause everyone forgets about it right after they watch it

[@chrisjfox8715]

Almost all great films over the decades most definitely pull from creative elements of the modern zeitgeist of their era. There's nothing wrong with modernity as long as the core story being told is engaging and all story elements are being utilized to their full potential. For example, one of the things that makes The Terminator so great is that it most definitely has all the makings of a mid 80s film.

[@ChrisN1344]

Gore nails it - as usual. His interviews are a joy. As a creative, I couldn’t agree more with his philosophies. “Film Courage” is aptly named … and one of the best channels on KZbin. Well-done, guys!

[@TheMutantProductions]

What the world actually looks like isn’t fantasy, it’s realism.

[@scottmune4484]

And is not why we watch fantasy. How did they get us so wrong ?

[@Bones12x2]

Also...what she meant was "what I think/want the world to look like". Plus, what does "the world look like?" Does the world look the same for everyone...does a kid in Japan see the same world as an old woman in Uganda?

[@patrickdoherty4527]

@@Bones12x2 yeah, I think it's definitely more of a should look like/want it to look like. Never been a fan of LOTR but I love plenty of movies which were badly remade and it's never bothered me. To be honest, I think some fans get too worked up about certain properties.

[@patrickdoherty4527]

@@jannguerrero I wonder how much that really came from the makers of the series though. It could have been studio mandated. Amazon may have told them that they needed a more diverse cast. Maybe I'm wrong.

[@dragonknight196]

@@patrickdoherty4527 Because changing things to disrespect and dishonor the authors vision and legacy make people mad. Sorry, that's what Hollywood does, and they do it on purpose because they hate the fan bases of those properties they wreck, because those fan bases don't 'think right' according to Hollywood folk.

[@FunSizeSpamberguesa]

I had massive reservations when I heard Tom Shippey left the project, even greater reservations when I heard about the nudity casting call, and finally had the nail driven into any hopes I might have had when I saw that Star of goddamn Fëanor on Galadriel's armor. Short-haired Elves, the visibly middle-aged Charles Edwards as Celebrimbor...this is just obscenely expensive fan fiction. The teaser trailer looks like a videogame cut scene. Hard pass.

[@HeavyMetalConspiracy]

Galadriel in armour is what got me, like i really dont remember her fighting in the lore, maybe she did back during the time of Morgoth but this is way after during the creation of the rings

[@Winasaurus]

They're just trying to make Game of Thrones but again. Existing worldbuilding be damned. They made a lot of money from GOT so if this gets even decently reviewed, expect celebrity cameos in Lord of the Rings. "Who is that, singing in the shire? Ed Sheeran!"

[@voctur]

Amazon didn't buy the rights of The Silmarillion, only the rights of LOTR. Pretty much the only thing they can do is come up with their own stories that take place during the times of The Silmarillion. So basically as you said. Is legit fan fiction

[@DrEgonCholakian]

@@Winasaurus Nevermind that GOT was a really shitty adaption

[@Winasaurus]

@@DrEgonCholakian I can't speak to how good of an adaptation it was, I just know it made them a ton of money and publicity and that's all they care about.

[@sacredgeometry]

Literally decades! I read lord of the rings as a child. 30 years ago. I watched the films in the cinema. It is still one of my favourite books. As someone of mixed race not once in those 30 years did I feel like I needed someone to patronise to me or that I wasn't represented by any of the characters because of something as stupid as not being the same sex, "race" etc as them. That is what literal racists/ sexists do and think. That is the only problem here. We have let racists have a dominant voice. Whats worse is they are too stupid to even realise that they are racists.

[@deadpanbarry5442]

True words

[@FELSENBUCHT]

Soooooo ture. If you like a movie ONLY when your skin color is represented, you're looking past a good actor and his performance. In turn, that person is the racist, but would never admit to be. If you want a fantasy world, where every race is represented, than create your own world in a book. In Tolkien's world CLIMATE does exist....the people haven't yet mixed. like in our modern world. Dwaves live underground...so no sun --> light skin. People from the north are pale. People from the south (e.g. Haradrim) are more tanned due to them living in a desert. Tolkien created those rules in his world and they should be respected. So many people are ignoring the elephant in the room, that it is a problem of our world to include everyone in everything. Just go and love a good movie. Thus we're ignoring the real problems out there: poverty, animal abuse, war etc. PEACE

[@sacredgeometry]

​@@FELSENBUCHT You aren't just looking past the performance you are missing how you should relate to people in general. If you cant relate to women because you are a man, a child/ someone older than you or someone from a different part of the world then you are barely even a real person. You are a a husk of stereotype, you have auto-piloted though any significant interactions and it proves that you haven't spent one moment of your life truly communicating or relating to another human being. All your relationships are predicated on nothing. It is really pathetic in the literal sense of the word. It inspires pity.

[@Unethical.Dodgson]

"Whats worse is they are too stupid to even realise that they are racists." The best part is that they would want to shut you up. Your opinion is invalid, it's toxic, and it needs to be silenced. They will label you a bigot. (Anyone who knows the definition of that word can see the irony here) They would possibly also try to cry to the powers that be to legislate some kind of measure against your opinions. Perhaps they would try to cancel you and incarcerate you. Then they would label you a fascist. All in the name of being "woke" :D Honestly. I'm a white guy but some of my favourite characters are black dudes, asian dudes, black chicks, asian chicks, middle easterners... doesn't matter to me. I don't identify as any of them and I don't see myself represented. I don't WANT to see myself represented. That's not what the art of storytelling is nor should be about. I don't watch Wesley Snipes and think "This movie would be better if he were white!". But the woke lefties seem to do this all the damn time.

[@a.k.1457]

You get it wrong. They are not racists, misogynists etc... at least not in the beginning. They are narcissists who chose liberal values as their narcissistic supply, and at the same time, corrupt everything in there.

[@bretterry8356]

When Tolkein created a world for LoTR, he created HIS world. He filled it with the things he knew and were important to him. When Roddenberry created a world for Star Trek, he did the same. When Jim Henson created a world for Sesame Street so did he. These worlds are all different because they reflect the way their creators viewed and interacted with the world they lived in. If you create a world, I fully expect you to fill it with your vision, and you are right to do so. It is your world. However, if you are going to live and work in someone else's world, then you agree to the world they envisioned. To try to take advantage of someone else's work for popularity while simultaneously tearing it down and trying to prove your ideas are better is the epitome of hubris and hypocrisy. It is never going to sit well with fans, and trying to brand those fans as bigots, who are your target audience, for not accepting your bastardizing their fandom, is marketing suicide. Most of these fans, myself included, would have no problem with the diversity and inclusivity in a world that built from the ground up using those principles, but to retcon characters and events we already know and love in a world we already care for is unappetizing. Let me say again. Fans aren't mad about diversity. They're mad about retconning. It's lazy and disrespectful to the original creator and to the fans. Amazon wants to paint it as being mad about diversity so they can claim some moral high ground they don't have, while continuing to exploit nostalgia for profit and insult and alienate their own audience.

[@Dragonphoenix25]

Great thoughtful comment!

[@squeebaby2683]

This is so well put. Thank you for summing up all of the things going on and going wrong with big corporations capitalizing on great authors and the storied worlds they created. It's just about money and personal intentions.

[@TeslaKuhn8]

Kind of tired of reading how actors and "new fans" believe the story REALLY went. People reinventing and truly demoting greatness to satisfy their warped world view. The new creations approach abomination at times. I have seen direct quotes of Tolkien saying he did not trust anyone with his story, and under no condition was it ever to be stuffed with filler. No one plans to die, but he should have been even more explicit. Saying anything after his last inked punctuation while alive is an attack on the original story.

[@jasonnikolic]

Best comment here.

[@BryonYoungblood]

Damn, Bret, you spelled it out so well and just was thinking what I was feeling and have been when it comes to this kind of stuff in media lately, especially for things with established fanbases like we got with Middle-Earth, Star Trek, etc., as well as comic books and such.

[@trevorpearlharbor5171]

He's right, though. Today's movies and shows are so creatively bankrupt that they're willing to ruin popular franchises and upset fans rather than create new stories and new experiences that we can all share. There's an entire plethora of stories waiting to be told, but instead of telling new ones, they're ruining old ones and dividing fanbases. Big named Movies and TV shows today now exist solely for profit, irregardless of the viewers they want to appease, and it's disheartening. I'll be honest: it makes me question the future of film and television. Artistic expression has now been abandoned to make a quick buck and that's scary...

[@scottslotterbeck3796]

100%.

[@Im_Evie_Now]

Who is "they"? You keep saying "they". Can you be more specific? Who are you referring to here, exactly?

[@themetalpig7613]

It's all about "content" for streaming services now. I heard the other day that Netflixs viewers trends show that most ppl fall off a show after a season or 2, so they are focusing on only having 1-2 season shows. This kind of attitude reinforces your point that it has nothing to do with creativity anymore.

[@victorcates9330]

There are other faulty instincts. They have the stupidity to ruin existing properties and in the event they create their own, they don't know how to do it. If you write something that confirms your worldview, it may suck. It's the problem with modern star trek and star wars. They're trying to reverse engineer a plot from politics. I'd note that Nabokov said 'The truth is that great novels are great fairy tales... literature was born on the day when a boy came crying wolf, wolf and there was no wolf behind him.' There's no requirement to necessarily reflect reality. Some great art is the creation of an exotic world with mechanics that surprise the audience (and possibly the author). They go where the ideas take them. They don't back themselves into a corner and then rely on the world of the text bending to make things work.

[@chrisjfox8715]

@@themetalpig7613 intentionally making fewer seasons due to people losing interest is a perfectly valid strategy to implement for many shows. It can most definitely be a positive since doing so is far better than how tv used to be: dragging out shows for season after season just because the ratings were great, regardless of whether the universe realistically had more story potential. Case in point, I'm a huge LOST fan and absolutely love it up through season 5...however the creators of the show wanted desparately to wrap everything up in 3 seasons, while the studio was game to go for 10 seasons or more. They kept fighting about it over the years then eventually compromised with closing it out at 6. Had the creators had their way, you wouldn't have had so many people complaining that they were just making shit up as they went sent they wouldn't have jammed it with so much filler in seasons 3 and 4 especially (granted, which i personally still loved). Back to Netflix tho, I absolute LOVE the fact that their show Dark was a planned 3 seasons and they stuck to that and closed the story properly. It would've gotten way too convoluted with all the timelines had they dragged it along just because.

[@Bingo_the_Pug]

Seeing Leia floating through the vacuum of space was 1000% a “jumping the shark” moment even by Star Wars standards

[@drtaverner]

Sadly, for me it was either the reveal that StarKiller base existed or Kylo having a temper-tantrum on the Comms console, whichever came first. That film is such a blurr of disappointment and heartbreak.

[@ourdictatorship]

It wouldn't have been bad if it had had any set up or consequence - like, say, its role in her ultimate (on-screen parallel) demise, like a kind of "this is my Obi-Wan surrendering to Darth Vader" moment. Doing that could have easily elevated it to at least a SHADOW of the "greater-good sacrifice" that light Jedi can make. Would it have sucked? Yes, but it would have "prequel sucked." But we have little else to even establish Leia in the Force, more or less etablish her to be already at the same level of Luke, whose continuance in the Force, however hidden, is established or implied already in Ryan's clunky way. To me, Admiral Holdall My Call's Feminist beratements really started to push the series as a whole from Prequel equal to SJW garbage. Up until then, the movie at least carried enough questionable goodness to be on the level of TPM or AotC. Past then, through even the "big fight" with Luke and Ben, it was far worse than Jar Jar stepping on Banta poodoo on repeat for an hour on end. Star Wars jumped the shark after this scene: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bWqmf6qpbJaLoqs I - a 44 year old man who stood outside for the original Episodes V (which I don't remember doing) and VI (which I do remember, and loving) with my older brother, who stood outside all night with my D&D group for the rereleases of IV, V, and VI, and then for I, II and III, and then again for VII and VIII and even the not as bad, prequel level Rogue, who watched BOTH Clone Wars cartoons and crapped on the second until I fell in love with it somehow, who even watched some of the Disney cartoon sequels of the same, who spent COUNTLESS hours in video games and doing everything from playing Bounty Hunters and Dark Jedi in desktop campaigns to collecting lightsabers from some company that did them so well that they actually became the "official" non-toy light saber replicas, and that's not even a tenth of a tenth of the BIGGER fans but still quite enough to justify why it took me until 29 to get married, well - ... - let's just say I know about "Baby Yoda" (whatever his/her/zir's name is), the Darth Vader-Obi Wan second battle, the return of Ashoka, and THE ENTIRETY OF EPISODE IX, that Han Solo movie and so on, **only** from reviews from good folks like The Critical Drinker. That is because I do not, like the "other side" claims to do, tolerate other points of view if these points of view are a frightening mix of corporate power and, yes, Cultural Marxism (that is a real term far different from a Nazi conspiracy that vanished after WWII, and besides if it isn't that, then I steal the ability to redefine words for my own need for the sake of justice). An early child of that SJW-Corporate marriage was the horrible "universal health insurance" model that Obama left us with today. Whether you are a Libertarian for the full private market or are a Blue Dog (Conservative) Democrat who prefers the UHC model like I do, the socially "just" solution we got is an antisocial slice of neofascism that is far from "just," but nothing more than a monstrosity that changed both Big Hospital and Big Medicine into supercorporations that comped Public Health (a career I have worked years to help teach) and used the entire profession for not just corporate apologetics but for product promotion via elevating themselves as unelected government "experts" who had only the intent of putting their part of a gigantic boot smashed into a human face forever. As art, the same has happened here: once you see Oprah doing her awful acting in a movie or series, you know it is going to be another spike in that same boot, stamping once again on that same human face - your face, whether you adopt the thought behind it already or not.

[@mitrahispana4119]

@@ourdictatorship political rants? Dude. Star Wars was always campy space opera. At least the old trilogy was fun. The real problem is the stagnant creativity (or lack thereof) in movies. From both producers and the audience

[@briansmith48]

How It Should Have Ended, (on you tube) did a better job of making the Star wars movies than the writers, directors and producers did. They called out all the BS and filled it in with what would have made since to the original Star Wars trilogy.

[@CS_Mango]

I think it is actually possible if you dont hold your breath. You just have to be quick or else your blood starts to boil.

[@Observer29830]

I've always felt that we're living in an era of sequels and reruns. These are the signs of intellectual and creative impotency, to me. The stories written by the authors, imo, should not be 'adapted' and 'reimagined' to reflect the modern world. Because then it stops being an original story and starts being someone else's modern retelling fanfic. If you want to write a story that reflects the modern realities, go nuts. You could even throw elves, gnomes, dwarves, and whatever else has become cliches these days. But being original wouldn't let you slap the name 'Tolkien' on it, would ya?

[@zac8670]

IMO, it's that Hollywood found a formula that made a lot of money and they have had it on repeat. Mix that with hiring people straight from school where they've been heavy into social politics, and you get woke Hollywood with a mixture of novices and whacks who have the audacity to think they have enough experience and respect to alter great works of art. One of the hardest things to accept is that some wisdom and perspective has an age and experience requirement.

[@rigelb9025]

@@zac8670 To sum it all up, Hollywood (and most of today's entertainment media, for that matter), has basically morphed into a walking corpse. A mere shadow of its former glory, infused with woke politics & P.C. trash to boot.

[@primarybufferpanel9939]

"Conversely, with the Amazon series, which is being made... for money." I love that delivery, just a delicious sprinkling of derision

[@Lark572]

This troubling trend has been happening for years. Look at what they tried to do with ghostbusters and then lashed out at the audience and called them bigots for not liking it. Glad more people are finally seeing it and having the guts to call it out. This series is finally becoming the tipping point it would seem.

[@OcarinaSapphr-]

@@lemonblue6282 While Lucy does come across as somewhat delicate & helpless- all the film adaptations have essentially ruined her sweetness & innocence, making the fact that she has 3 suitors all about sex - yet, Mina, the character who was already capable, resilient, & smart, even in the original novel- has frequently been changed, too- just because she wasn’t perceived _as_ ‘active’ or ‘independent’ as now without adding some modernising elements- like sexiness, fighting, or feminist talking points, doesn’t mean she wasn’t *already* a kind of ‘modern’ character- she was; same as Lizzie Bennett, Helen Graham, Agnes Grey, & Jane Eyre were absolutely modern in their time- turning down proposals, eschewing being a mistress, leaving abusive situations- be they marriage or employment, & making their own way in life via a career...

[@Mediados]

Ghostbusters at least had the luxury to be forgotten. This certainly won't be the case here.

[@themonsterunderyourbed9408]

They're doing it with everything. Ghostbusters, Star Wars, Ocean's 11, Mighty Ducks, James Bond, etc. Like evil, the left cannot create, only corrupt.

[@Mediados]

@@themonsterunderyourbed9408 Please don't make this a left/right thing. You know most left hate this just as mich as anyone.

[@Lawrence_Talbot]

Hell look at the latest Star Wars trilogy. If you didn’t like Rey or how the trilogy ended, then you were labeled a sexist.

[@matthewsawczyn6592]

I love the irony of the phrase "what the world _actually_ looks like", as if we're not trying to watch a totally fictional world

[@steelbeard151]

The irony, yes. And the arrogance and hubris, too. "...what the world ACTUALLY looks like" as if their view of that were some sort of objective dogma instead of nothing more than their own opinion.

[@mikekasich836]

too often these are liberals so "what the world actually looks like" is very different from the way the world looks to a liberal

[@lorenzmaut3708]

"What the world actually looks like" Nazis loved to show the Germans a fake world, soviets loved to make themselves be better than everyone else. And guess what, now the woke love to show the world with their own views and change everything around them, like make sure to always bring up the same topics that the old people are wrong and the young generations are always right, that change is always good, that taking drugs is perfectly fine. And in that process they butcher all the creativity and other messages the story had.

[@agilagilsen8714]

I know it's hard with language and context, but they obviously mean that the media should reflect our world. I even disagree, but with that having to be the case, but holy shit you don't need to pretend to be sub zero IQ to argue against it.

[@HavanaSyndrome69]

When progressive stuff really started taking off about a decade ago I remember hearing someone say something along the lines of, You can't even run off to an alternate universe in another galaxy 10 billion years into the future to escape their ideology. Then, if THEY can't do it themselves they will also make YOU be, do, and change everything to be the way THEY want it. They feel like they can demand how a story is and who's in it even if they're not involved like they're entitled to tell people how to create their own works of art even when, ESPECIALLY WHEN, they aren't even the least bit interested in the franchise/story/whatever themselves! Just like with Star Wars. The people demanding all the race/gender ideology stuff weren't even interested in Star Wars in the first fucking place. Also, their idea of what the world actually looks like is VERY different from what the world is like for many people. Their reality is whatever bourgeois place they work, go to school, or live in. That's not the reality for most people. Also, most places aren't America. I was wicked proud of the creators of the video game Kingdom Come Deliverance by Warhorse Studios for telling these people to kick rocks. Their story takes place in 1403 AD Bohemia and there were people complaining about the lack of people of color and all kinds of modern day elitist bourgeois identity politics gobbledygook. They put their foot down and said no and in doing so they made a timeless piece of historical fiction that is so gorgeous it will be played and experienced forever.

[@javieralvaradog]

“Everything that is created is being remade” perfect explanation of postmodernism

[@blue-pi2kt]

It's not an explanation, it's a description.

[@bluelobster246]

Its a culture war impact, jack ass Obama started the snow ball with his 8 years of power. If he only had 4 we would still have our American culture under control. His terms put us into a recession and got nothing done but, gave everybody shit for free. When ever i hear people defend Obama and give credit to him (instead) of the soldiers and military experts for the death of bin laden it makes me wanna slap the f*ck outta them.

[@danielhogan6255]

everything creative is getting remade.

[@NotDuncan]

Unmade more like it

[@SBeest1]

Less watching Jordan Peterson mate. It kills your brain.

[@ShizaruBloodrayne]

"Dollar Tree Game of Thrones" my soul just laughed out of my body

[@tototats16]

The first time I saw that second quote in the article, alarms were ringing in my head. I was already skeptical about the show since current Hollywood makes me a bit cynical, but that article was the last straw for me. As a Tolkien fan I’m disgusted.

[@chickey333]

That quote was nothing more than a passive excuse on stand-by in the likely event that the fire and brimstone of reactive criticism from conventional wisdom reared it's collective ridicule... which it did. It was nothing but a copout for a recklessly liberal agenda ready to say "we did this... you were warned and we're not sorry."

[@raiga5-6-42]

It's just the way they justify a bad or unfaithful adaptation. They know people with aligned social movement will defend despite it is in fact a bad product.

[@ANTIStraussian]

Funniest part of this comment section is no one has seen the show lol. Reminds me of the nerd rage about The Boys first trailer put out by Amazon. "They change a train to black! Wait that character isn't a girl!!" Then we watchdd it and it was a great show.

[@yopyopboumboum9505]

@Korruption Kult Watching shows by Amazon (a despicable company that sells goods, and should not be anywhere entertainment) is a objective proof of absence of self-worth.

[@RoosterFloyd]

I feel as though my life is slowly becoming just watching people thunderously applaud the brutal murder of the things I love. It won't even be satisfying to watch this fail. The story Tolkien made was all I had one summer, all alone at home until my parents got back at 10:00pm from work. Living on a farm, no other kids around for miles, none of my school friends parents willing to drive to where I lived to pick me up... I had GI:Joe's, tv, and that book. I often went to bed before my parents even got home. In the day I read the story he told, that took place in that world he created and at night my dreams would be in that world, but my own little stories. I was alone but because of him I wasn't lonely... I am not a super fan but I love it, it holds such a special place in my heart, it means too much to me, I know and I also know that no matter what I'll still have his book. If this show goes the way I think it will though, based upon everything I've seen, heard, and read about it, it just breaks my heart a little. To pervert that great man's world, to tarnish it... It fills me with a sort of subtle sorrow that a lot of "reboots", "retellings"and "sequels" have consistently given me lately, sorrows that are building up, and up, and up. Think of this, I am just a casual fan of the Lord of the Rings and it makes me feel this way. I can only imagine how the die hard fans feel. Do we not deserve to see one of our favorite worlds on screen as well? Do at the very least they not deserve to get lost in the beauty of it, in the harrowing moments, in the grand triumphs? To a lot of people this means so much and could have been so special, the sad fact is some people so direly needed an escape like it could have created, instead of bringing it new life once more, like the movies, they instead chose to publicly execute it on a live broadcast.

[@yopyopboumboum9505]

Very well said

[@derrickcrawford1081]

Well you can always take solace in the fact that the classics will always be around

[@tdf123emcee2]

I had a similar experience, I enjoyed it a lot...and it was amazing to me how Tolkien created this entire universe ..and then making a series should be a new journey nostalgic and also engaging but they have just destroyed it! I find solace in the books and my own imagination

[@crusader0074]

That’s exactly how I feel. I ain’t watching the stupid show. I’ll just reread the books and rewatch the Jackson movies.

[@RoosterFloyd]

@@tdf123emcee2 Exactly, he even created multiple languages himself, it was simultaneously a way for him to interact with his beloved children, telling them his stories while they went to bed, even getting advice and ideas from them, but also it was his way of coping with the unimaginable horrors he witnessed in WW1. If this can happen to him and his story and his world, nobody is safe from it.

[@Elusive_Pete]

TLOTR was lightening in a bottle. It's not possible for something like that to be made again. It's a once in a lifetime trilogy. It was a privilege to be alive to witness it in theatres as it was released.

[@IncredibleMet]

If I wanted a reflection of the current world, I would just go on Twitter. I watch these movies/TV series to get something greater that I cannot get in the current day political and social environment. I want the focus to be on the story. I don’t care if it’s orcs, aliens, Sith, future robots sent to kill people or transforming robots, just a good story that engages me and leaves me at the least, entertained but hopefully helps inform my view of the world and myself.

[@zzdoodzz]

Completely agree. When I'm watching a fantasy movie and I start seeing hints of our present world politics, it really ruins it for me. Film right now, by many large organizations, is being used as a modern day brain wash. Completely retelling a story to fit a political agenda only reminds me of the methods used by past oppressive governments.

[@chillax319]

And, same as with these "adaptations" you'd only see a warped image of a real world if you went on Twitter.

[@goblinsuburb]

and why should “something greater” not have real world politics or society? the original tolkien books had very real politics, as did the lord of the rings movies. no, i don’t think your issue is with politics, your issues is that it’s politics you might not agree with

[@ArtistFormerlyKnownAsShitlord]

@@goblinsuburb You’ve missed the point completely. Why should current fashionable politics be allowed to permeate and distort a fantasy story written not far off 100 years ago, just to appease a very vocal minority of people, and alienate a majority of hardcore and lifelong fans? If people who work in Hollywood want to push certain ideologies and causes, then they should create their own stories and outlets in which to do so. These will either stand or fall on their own merit, instead of piggybacking on, and forever marring an established and well loved franchise.

[@Astares9]

@@goblinsuburb liberal tears

[@TIDbitRETRO]

What these producers and showrunners don’t understand is that when you’re adapting a well-known property to film or tv, you have a responsibility to the fans to tell THE story, not YOUR story.

[@nuckygulliver9607]

it's not even THEIR story. It's just woke marketing. Marketing always putrefies movies. Every age has their 'marketing' influences and they're always the movies that look the worst years later

[@lp.shakur]

@@nuckygulliver9607 the problem is the system itself when you put your safe space college kids that studied whatever you need to study to get there first instead of trying to tell original stories from original storytellers than everything needs an overhaul look at the recently fired writer of the remake of knights of the old republic and you know how that would've turned out we have a deep problem at the core with the hiring of the people who tell these stories

[@MikeWhiskyTango]

and being such narcissists they write and insert themselves into the story as the heroes. Holy shit what disgusting people they are. Comic book writers have been doing this since ms marvel and the industry is now flopping all over the ground like a goldfish gasping for air.

[@mumhustler]

It's not a story, it's propaganda

[@sheadoherty7434]

It's a shame. Diversity and representation is important but there's a time and a place for it. I'm willing to bet that the order a diverse cast came from Amazon. They're spending a lot of money (perhaps too much) on this show and they fear that if none-white audiences don't see characters that look like them they won't watch. They're more concerned with marketing the story as diversely as possible rather than having a good show.

[@bastianogr4960]

Peter Jackson's interpretation of Tintin was just as mind-blowing. The source material is so unique and specific, it seemed almost inevitable, that someone would absolutely butcher it at some point in time. But along came Jackson and Steven Spielberg, who dedicated themselves to pay the most wonderful and spot-on tribute to Hergé's vision. Unfortunately, nobody bothers anymore. Now, it's just about the quick money and, even worse, political messages. Once again one has to applaud Bob Gale and Robert Zemeckis for making 'Back to the Future' untouchable. Heroes.

[@treyriver5676]

A greart retelling of a story that is does not catch the viewing public will still be a great story (to those that like it) but just another movie to the rest. as for destroying a good story... Starship Troopers comes to mind, a financial success but a disaster to an adaptation.

[@maynarddrivesfast804]

@@treyriver5676 Respectively, I'm going to disagree with you. While the source material for Starship Troopers is fantastic, I believe that the adaptation stands on its own merits. Did the movie leave out the mech suits, and change some of the character arcs? Sure, but I feel that even though Verhoeven made HIS OWN Starship Troopers, it was still close enough to the source, while being a distinctly Verhoeven movie. I personally believe he's a great director, and the popularity of his projects speak for themselves. I think what a lot of people do (myself included) is read the source material first, THEN see the adaptation. Expectations of the world you've IMAGINED when reading are almost never fully realized on a screen. I love the first SST movie (the others were terrible IMO). Granted, I was about 17 years old when it came out, and that could've very well influenced my feelings on it. In conclusion, are there terrible adaptations out there? Absolutely. Is the Starship Troopers movie one of them? I don't think so.

[@Courier_333]

'political messages' What the fuck are you talking about

[@jamiehess4211]

Wasn't that Spielberg, my dude?

[@anmolt3840051]

@@maynarddrivesfast804 Starship Troopers (the book) is Fascist propaganda. Starship Troopers (the movie) is Fascist parody

[@HeidiBird]

"Dollar-store Game Of Thrones" - lol, that was the best line! And omg, that this video was produced BEFORE the full extent of the disaster became obvious says A LOT!

[@kirwynxciv8344]

“We live in a time where everything creative is being undone, unmade”. Something Chris said in the video here that makes me think of that famous 1984 Orwell quote where he talks about “every statue removed, every book rewritten, etc…” this things are happening. & some may say “oh, it’s just a movie, they’ve been doing this forever” and while sure, yes, it’s another game when you start injecting sociopolitical agendas into every corner of entertainment and say “this is the way it should have been, etc”. Before when movies missed it was a failure of interpretation, now it’s a conscious effort to rewrite and sabotage, and any who don’t agree are racist and bigoted etc. If you don’t agree with our agenda and political milieu: you’re 1. Not a fan and 2. Defamation of character and alienation from your passion of the original story. It is atrocious what is being done, cause this is to me at least, clearly being done on purpose to divide and alienate and push political agenda by changing the stories of the people. Crazy.

[@jasonhughes5473]

Yes. 100%

[@doomguy9049]

well said

[@DanJuega]

Lol dude. Lord of the ring clearly has an anti-war message.

[@slayermill8621]

We live in a time where a statue of Frederick Douglass, a heroic black abolitionist, was torn down by people supposedly fighting "systemic racism". We got to see children's books like TinTin get burned outside schools in Ontario a few years ago in what they called a "flame purification". People's feelings were hurt so the mean book had to go away because we can't risk people seeing something like TinTin. The world is turning into a 1984, Fahrenheit 451 hybrid and it's only getting worse.

[@Thebuird]

Glad you see it. It’s far more deep than just media being “rewritten”. Watch some James Lindsay-him on Rogan is very digestible. The goal is to force you to question everything-down to the most basic truths, not trust/fear/hate one another, and demoralize. I'm so glad this is being exposed in public school education

[@scottslotterbeck3796]

Chris Gore is a treasure. I love the idea that Jackson wanted to make the film for the author, Tolkien. What other filmmaker would approach a film like that? Answer? No one.

[@Damacles9]

Who would pay for it is a better question...

[@scottslotterbeck3796]

@@Damacles9 There's the rub. And that's the reason studio films are, frankly, crap. We need a diversity of viewpoints, not just Hollywood's. The libertarian 'Daily Wire' is distributing some films that don't refect the traditional Hollywood mindset. Not a big fan of the organization, but we need diversity of opinion just as much, or more, than diversity of color or national origin.

[@markforster6457]

That is true for the LOTR movies, which is why I was so annoyed with how he butchered "The Hobbit" movies!

[@cjpreach]

@@markforster6457 After the pure delight of the LOTR experience, my son and I eagerly anticipated the Hobbit movies for a decade. Absolutely the biggest disappointment of my movie-going life. But, I'm not 70 yet, so there's still time for a director to screw up worse that the Hobbit Trilogy Disaster.

[@kate2create738]

@@markforster6457 I personally blame the studios with The Hobbit, they kept pushing for fillers to stretch one book into 3 movies, and Jackson was only used as a back up director when things weren't looking good. It's a shame because it's a great tale and most of the film had good features like great casts, rhythm in the dialogue, the costume, the set, even the songs were good, but adding in unnecessary parts that just washed down the story arc ultimately was the downfall. The studio was trying to get as much as they could milk from The Hobbit, it shows in certain parts.

[@jvenom174]

When the world needed him most

[@fenrir9398]

He returned

[@filmcourage]

Haha, this is just the start!

[@scottslotterbeck3796]

Go watch Film Threat YT channel. Lots of fun. Live chat every Friday I think.

[@cheekloins4126]

I enjoy his take “it’s so good we don’t talk about it” There’s nothing to wrestle or ague with, it’s just simply good.

[@RolandDeschain1]

Jackson and his team had the humility to admit that some changes they made were wrong, and went back and corrected them. I'm speaking specifically of putting Arwen at Helm's Deep. They wrote and shot those scenes, then changed their minds and went back to the source. They avoided the kind of mistakes that Amazon is diving headfirst into.

[@SeraphimDragon]

"Empowering" women by putting them on a pedestal and/or tokenizing them? Agreed.

[@TheAntsh]

These are not the kind of mistakes we are talking about here. We are talking about "white actors playing African folklore characters" mistakes. Oh wait, it is the other way around but you get the idea.

[@RambleOn07]

@@TheAntsh I'm just waiting for them to cast Hitler as a black guy

[@sianais]

@RambleOn07 Or a Jewish person or Arabic looking actor and it shouldn't stop there.

[@nickn271]

Putting Arwen in Helms Deep would have undermined Eowyn at the Battle of the Pelennor.

[@MaraJadeTX]

I love LOTR, but I'm still upset 20 years later about: - Treebeard not knowing about his forest. - The corruption of Faramir - The weakening of Theoden - The strange lack of confidence from Aragorn.

[@Norrie_Rugger]

Gimli being stripped of much of his nobility, only seen on the boat with Legolas talking about the 3 hairs The army of the dead should never have made it to Gondor. Their power was in fear to which orcs, driven by Sauron and the Wraiths, would not succumb easily. Differnt on the Corsair men at Pelegrir though. Great set piece though But, all in all, they were fairly respectful of the books. They told the same story, with changes. This series has plans to tell the story that Tolkien was unable to...?

[@laurenanderson61]

Don't forget Gollum managing to come between Sam and Frodo. As if!

[@neuuser7071]

For reasons like these the fellowship of the ring is the best of the trilogy.

[@TallisKeeton]

- well, about Treebeard - the ents are able to sleep for centuries you know :) - I dont like the corruption of Faramir - he looks like he is weaker than Boromir and his motivation was not higher goal like Boromir who wanted to save his ppl, Faramirs motivation was only private - he wanted to get acceptance of his dad only. - I dont think that what they did with Theoden is weakening :) It felt real, like a leader who knows that he'd failed his ppl and wanted to do smt to correct himself :) - I like the this Aragorn - his development from exile who does not want to be king becouse he wants Arwen to be able to sail, he thinks that that way she will be saved, while him wanting the throne from the start means that she should stay for him. As Aragorn getting the throne of Gondor was the only way Elrond would've agreed to their marriage. So film Aragorn does not want the throne becouse he wants to save Arwens life. :)

[@jbb3141]

Agreed but those pale in comparison to the abomination that is this new series. This new series makes a Greek tragedy look fun in comparison.

[@caiocesarmarques4765]

This video is incredible! Really show why we need to respect the works of authors and keep timeless because their stories are universals! Congratulations for Film Courage!

[@Sammo212]

What is apparent when watching any of the episodes of Rings of Power is that the show is less "let's make a great adaptation of Tolkien's second age around the creation of the rings of power" and more "let's interject nothing but modern messages into a barely there semblance of the creation of the rings of power".

[@brichards989]

The trailer and this quote have now completely lost me. I'm tired of watching my beloved franchises butchered and I'm not even going to give this one a single minute of my time. Thank you Chris for putting into words exactly how I'm feeling about Hollywood these last 10+ years.

[@mena94x3]

Exactly how I feel. I refuse to give it a second off my time.

[@berserkerpride]

I love Chris Gore. Need a few more realists in this crazy world.

[@chrisjfox8715]

These opinions mean nothing if reboots and such keep making a fuckton of money and get views. It's complaining that goes nowhere, even if the points are valid. All execs care about is profit.

[@JustTooDamnHonest]

@@chrisjfox8715 That is why these talk are important and people who says it is nothing but complaining is a moron. Because this is what we call having a conversation and people listening to both sides of the spectrum. Plus remember this all that profit isn't worth shit unless you have the lifeblood of that profit and that is the fans(that is pure fact). Because without fans then these companies wouldn't be worth 10 bucks without us and the more people wake up from that the more those profits will drop.

[@chrisjfox8715]

@@JustTooDamnHonest but the profits aren't dropping anywhere near fast enough. for them to stop. That's my point. When even the worst-appreciated movies still manage to make 100s of millions of dollars worldwide then they couldn't care less what your fanship has to say about it.

[@JustTooDamnHonest]

@@chrisjfox8715 O they care whether if they show it or not. You can feel that they are losing profits. It is not going to happen fast. Rome wasn't built nor destroyed in a day you know and you have a good point. But just remember there have been companies in the past that would've been more powerful than even Disney and they are not there anymore due to them not adapting to the times, attacking fans or stock market crashes. There is a lot of ways that a company can go bankrupt. It is not impossible. But it takes time and those profits could've been better then what they got if they haven't pissed off the fans and Disney faced a lot more then just fan backlash and we have a voice and when your fanbase(the life blood of any company is being attacked then that is like ignoring the spread of cancer in your body and without treatment it will spread and you will die a slow and painful death) and that is the same with a company without its lifeblood then the company will stop functioning and then it will become stagnate and then the spread of the "cancer" will happen and if they do not do anything fast then it will spread and the company will die. Case in point the film, comic and video game industry have been facing heavy loses with their products and by your own comment a company's chief concern is making money(will if that money doesn't pay off investors etc etc) then that is a very big problem for any company especially the big ones because they have a lot more properties and that gives them a lot more room to screw up.

[@chrisjfox8715]

@@JustTooDamnHonest you didn't negate my point. The bottom line is that it all comes down to the money, no matter how fast or slow it disintegrates - the fans being pissed off in comment sections is inconsequential if film after film easily crosses $500M if not $1B plus. Studios holding Creatives hostage in favor of optimal content isn't just a few companies, it's nearly the entire industry's business model. You're right that it'll shift eventually but it ain't happening anytime soon.

[@ATroubledGreensLibrary]

This is golden. Chris has such a good balanced view and has such good insight. And he’s exactly right, it is cooperate speak for, “We’re going to do whatever the hell we want.” Amazon poked the wrong dragon.

[@mountainmanws]

In my long life, I have read LotR six times. Last time I read the entire trilogy and The Hobbit to my grandson. What I find amazing are the new discoveries with each new reading. As far as the trilogy movie, I wish Mr. Jackson would have followed the Return of the King storyline a little closer. But all in all, a great and memorable movie, story, and music. Well worth waiting for and watching.

[@carynfisher9463]

One of the key differences (for me at least) between my response to changes made by Peter Jackson and changes made by the Rings of Power is the stated reason for the changes. Usually, when Peter Jackson changed something, he did it with the strengths and weaknesses of his chosen medium in mind. Like, the lovely scene in the books between Gimli and Galadriel when she gives him some of her hair. In the book it's a beautiful little scene and very touching. For film, you want to preserve the sentiment of that moment and show Gimli's emotional response to Galadriel and to her gift to him, but you can't do that by playing out the scene as it happens in the book. It would look and feel weird and awkward. For Rings of Power, the creators COULD have put Harfoots in the Second Age because people who are unfamiliar with the written source material would probably expect to see Hobbits or something like Hobbits in Middle Earth. But their given reason for doing so amounts to nothing other than a reinterpretation of lore established by Tolkien himself. Peter Jackson was trying to stay true to Tolkien while using a completely different art form, which forces changes to be made by necessity; the Rings of Power showrunners clearly just don't care at all about what Tolkien had to say about his own created world and always fully intended to change anything they felt like just to push the message they want to push.

[@Ken-fh4jc]

A lot of what Jackson cut was for time. The theatric versions of each movie were already 3 hours.

[@soullessmeatpuppet7840]

"Keepers of the book." That's exactly how I feel every time I rescue some old vinyl that wasn't quite taken care of like it should be. Cuz I can't take these with me, but somebody else will be able to enjoy them once I'm gone.

[@jimmyl324]

Huge fan of Chris since attack of the show . He’s the best .

[@cobaltplasma]

I remember watching AotS and DVDuesday would come on and I'd think "Who the heck is this guy? What's he going off on? What is this??" but the more segments I'd watch, the more I'd see that he had not only a lot of knowledge of the medium but also a lot of insight and fundamental understanding of the industry and the craft itself.

[@jimmyl324]

Always looked forward to the dvd Tuesday segments .

[@sneakertsar]

Turtles here to say this

[@FlameForgedSoul]

Same, G4 is trash now, but he's aged like wine.

[@rudymora4179]

I remember he was on every Tuesday! I'll always love him for recommending Oldboy back in the day. I had just turned 17 and also just got my license so I was able to go out and buy an R rated dvd by myself. I bought Oldboy and it's still one of my favorites.

[@AndrewSnarls]

100% agree with Chris Gore. Wish more people in the movie and TV industry thought like him.

[@eliteteamkiller319]

There's only one group to blame for this: The Tolkien Estate for signing off on this. No one else is to blame. They stipulated quite a bit about what rights were being transferred, and could have prevented wholesale character changes, such as transforming Galadriel into Xena: Warrior Princess.

[@wanderingsurf2842]

Guyladriel!

[@eliteteamkiller319]

@@wanderingsurf2842 To be fair, Galadriel is super athletic, tall and strong. But she's also a terrifying sorceress and brilliant tactician, so why the hell would she be leading a charge in battle?

[@willc1294]

@@eliteteamkiller319 lol they're turned the character into an impulsive entitled brat, probably reflective of the person playing the character

[@007bogossemre007]

@@willc1294 She's supposed to be young and not yet as wise as she is in the far future. There's plenty of things to nitpick but this isn't one.

[@willc1294]

@@007bogossemre007 She's already about 3,000 years old even in the 2nd age lol Elves must be slow learners if several millennia isn't long enough to learn some wisdom 😆

[@rfahy72]

I don't know who Chris Gore is but he hit nail on the head with this video and commentary.

[@mikekasich836]

too often these are liberals so "what the world actually looks like" is very different from the way the world looks to a liberal

[@cl1cka]

@@mikekasich836 yes cause conservatives are better - lets burn the books. The invisible man in the sky i pray to, forbids magic.

[@TD-ug4mg]

@@cl1cka you might want to double check that, currently the book burning is more likely to be done by a leftist. I'm drawing a distinction between liberals and leftists, since liberals are now what the leftist call the alt right, basically they still believe everything that the Democrat party listed for in the '80s, don't treat people differently cuz the color of their skin or what they have between their legs or who they choose to sleep with. Literally the exact opposite of what they're spouting now.

[@Bourikii2992]

@@cl1cka Liberals were burning books just 2 years ago dude... Also they burned Jk Rowling books just a few years ago as well. Along with several other liberal motivated book burnings.

[@cl1cka]

@@Bourikii2992 Show me media coverage mate. I am telling you about something conservatives are doing on STATE LEVEL. Not bunch of people that got together and burned copies they BOUGHT. So show me ONE instance, where books were removed from schools/libraries by liberals.

[@darthbiscuit]

Chris summed it up beautifully. People fall in love with these stories and build upon it in their heads over decades. Then some corporation comes in, blows it up and salts the earth trying to build it for "modern" audiences. Now the fans have lost a fantastical world they had such fond memories of.

[@ANonymous-mo6xp]

Yep, the Disney sequels left me with a deep scar.

[@HiHello-wz6bx]

Not quite a movie but look at what happened to Game of Thrones once they left the source material Horrible

[@abrahamlincoln5661]

@@HiHello-wz6bx True...that was a bitter pill....

[@connorveach5986]

I don’t like this kind of corporate approach to makings movies either, but I think it’s a supremely flawed argument to say that any sequel, prequel, or spinoff could possibly “ruin” your positive experiences with a series. That story isn’t going anywhere, it hasn’t changed. Even if there are things retconned in future installments, the original stories should still stand on their own if they were worth falling in love with to begin with

[@LordVader1094]

@@connorveach5986 You're still having to deal with the current version being in the public sphere, the thing people are talking about if you mention the franchise. You can't escape it. Pretending it's within human nature to easily ignore something when it's shoved in your face constantly and is tampering with what you love is nonsense lol.

[@TheMagicRobot]

It's a shame there aren't more people like Peter Jackson making these things. I honestly believe WoT could have been bigger than GoT at the height of its popularity if the people behind it actually respected the source material and its fans.

[@WSPBane]

I love the WoT books and I was utterly disgusted with what Rafe Judkins did to the show so much so I didnt make it past the start of the series as I cant support what they did to Robert Jordans work.

[@ShawnGilbert1967]

Yea and I recall for GOT, SO many lines of dialog in early seasons...DIRECT copy paste from the books...THATS what made it popular.......

[@1who4me]

Except Jackson also made the Hobbit, which is a unmitigated disaster

[@TheMagicRobot]

​@@1who4me I don't think most of the problems with the Hobbit are Jackson's fault. I admit they're flawed, but I like them for the most part. With all the behind the scenes drama it's surprising they turned out as good as they did.

[@ShawnGilbert1967]

@@1who4me right out that first statement on the board, THEN have the nuts to proclaim it in public.....and ill let ya slide a bit..... Say the 2nd phrase and male a good show and I probably still won't give ya my money.....

[@wowaddict112233]

You really nailed it early on in the video when reading Peter Jackson's quote. Peter said they made Lord of the Rings as a tribute to the Author and NOT to make a name for themselves. So they did it for someone else other than themselves. In my experience doing anything for someone else leads to much more success.

[@Puma5]

It’s a brilliant interview. By looking at just the quotes themselves and extracting Gore’s thoughts about the heart of this issue, she’s elevating the discussion above the tiring accusations of racism without any possibility of spin. It’s about something much more fundamental.

[@RambleOn07]

Using accusatory terms is a great way to prove that you have no capacity to argue. Especially when the words become increasingly ambiguous.

[@ForbiddenFollyFollower]

@@RambleOn07 Unless there's actual racists in the room ruining the conversation for everyone.

[@RambleOn07]

@@ForbiddenFollyFollower define racists. Then tell me whether you think your definition is political. If you can't argue against people based on ideas, you don't have an argument.

[@ForbiddenFollyFollower]

@@RambleOn07 If you're fixated on the race of fantasy characters then you're probably a racist.

[@Puma5]

@@ForbiddenFollyFollower So by your own definition at least those people who are responsible for creating this show with the primary focus of skin deep characteristics surely belong to this racist category, right?

[@joshuamelton9148]

Chris Gore is very much on point. I have felt in the last 5 years or so we have reach cultural stagnation. Hollywood is afraid to take risk in creating new and exciting stories and relive on reboots, meta or nostalgia bait films.

[@justinah7400]

Hollywood is run by political activists in the business of pushing their agenda onto our culture. Simple as that.

[@justinah7400]

They are the same type of people who want to tear down statues of Abraham Lincoln and George Washington. Stories like Tolkein's represent values and principles that they hate. Its Cultural Marxism.

[@iemzaf]

You can see Chris Gore holding himself back from using more emotionally charged words like "destroy", "defile", "ruin". Just goes to show how professionally he's taking the discussion. Unfortunately I'm afraid the audience and perpetrators of these cultural vandalisms do not value professionalism or any positive value for that matter, as they only understand superficial values like skin-color and sexuality. That is why they are so flippant about these changes, because they *don't actually care* about the material, they just care about *how they feel* while consuming them

[@AlexReynard]

JonTron said (I hope I'm getting this right), "I just saw Rise Of Skywalker, and it was the cinematic equivalent of watching ISIS destroy a church."

[@waltertomaszewski1083]

I’ve known of people who’ve been beaten and even killed because of ‘superficial values like skin-color and sexuality’ (trans people, especially), but I take your point. Hollywood never has had much sense of subtly when writing any sort of messages into movies or TV shows, though some of those messages are better crafted and woven into stories than others. Modern-Day ‘Wokeness’ is racial/sexual/gender tolerance belligerently announced and clumsily written into a public speech or notes for a podcast, or a script for a TV, movie, or other production. Wokeness seems to be peaking and gradually diminishing, in part due to its overstaying its welcome (as seen in the current *LOTR* production). It’s a blip on the radar; it will be gone on the next sweep.

[@trevorthornley8835]

@@AlexReynard where did he say that?

[@obligatoryfate6849]

Well spoken

[@stetsoncrobison]

@@AlexReynard wait, you're telling me a Hungarian White Nationalist didn't like diversity in the Star Wars movie? Nooooo you don't say.

[@morgonfr33m4n1337z]

We gotta stop avoiding the subject and just admit LOTR was made reflecting Tolkien's 1950s British Catholic sensibilities such moral upbringing compelled him to preserve his people's pre-Christian heritage, remember that LOTR was always seen by him as a "fictional pre-history" of man

[@charlesgru8978]

Beautifully put! Yes to EVERYTHING he said! It's like when K.Kennedy said about the new Star Wars films that they owed nothing to the old fans...... Uhm, no, if it wasn't for us, Star Wars wouldn't be worth $4 billion to acquire. There'd BE no new movies without the "old" fans. There'd be no market for a Rings Of Power show if it weren't for the ACTUAL fans who want to see Tolkien's work on the screen. Not some social activist's political message, but the world and characters as Tolkien created them. "Reflect the world as it actually is"???? It's a FANTASY world, not the real world!

[@ambrusin4889]

thats excatly right!

[@artbargra]

""Reflect the world as it actually is"???? It's a FANTASY world, not the real world!" The saddest part is, they're using the tale of the Second Age as an allegory of own modern world. Which goess *absolute against* Tolkien's intent. It's a giant middle finger for the man. It is insulting.

[@DrDizzleFrizzle]

This show hasn't been released, and the plot has not even been hinted at. How is there a political message? Including actors that aren't white isn't political.

[@qube3634]

@@DrDizzleFrizzle You clearly know very little about Tolkien's Middle Earth. There are videos that detail everything wrong about the trailer, go and watch one. But, I can't see why you would care, since you aren't a fan.

[@DrDizzleFrizzle]

@@qube3634 I'm writer that majored in literature and I've read Tolkien for decades. The only thing people are pissed about is that the actors aren't all white. There's literally not enough content to make a real argument. Predicting the worst and whining about it is no different than arguing with yourself in the shower. I don't have very high expectations, but that's because I'm aware of the track record of the people working on the show. However, it could still exceed my expectations and I hope it does. However, anyone pretending to make some kind of lore argument about "political correctness" is just a dog whistling racist. End of story.

[@coleslawjoe4708]

I grew up in the 80s, obsessed with movies. Why I love Chris is his passion and integrity to keep that film experience alive. He is so spot on with everything he’s saying.

[@batman5224]

The reason The Lord of the Rings trilogy worked was because it was one continuous story. The sequels were made at the same time, not as a response to market forces.

[@sorateal12]

Yeah!! I miss the days when people made planned film franchises - of different genres, too!! The last few years, we've only had the MCU's infinity stuff and that era's over!!

[@doublep1980]

Yes and Peter Jackson and his crew spend more time on pre-production than usual. That allowed them to put so much more attention to detail into these films. For example, they build complete miniatures of the fortress of Helm´s Deep and the city of Minas Tirith, which then were used in combination with matte paintings & CGI. Nowadays, it would be completely CGI. They even developed the Motion-Capturing tech for Gollum, literally from scratch! Now compare this with the Hobbit movies, where the studio completely screwed up the production cycle, forcing Jackson to make 3 movies instead of the originally planned 2, without giving him more time. In order to finish the movies on schedule, he had to CGI the ever living crap out of them and as a result, they look like videogames.

[@magnem1043]

also its a whole life work

[@orbit1894]

Lord of the rings is the only artwork I observed to have successfully gathered many people who actually have very different tastes when it comes to literature or art, together. This modern take just divides and tries to cater only the small portion of people and those people unfortunately have no clue what made LoTR great.

[@osirex5495]

I really like how he is completely right about P.J. making changes to translate to the screen while Amazon changes things to cater a certain audience whilst diminishing the original fan base.

[@Unethical.Dodgson]

Yeah about Peter Jackson changing certain things to make them work on the screen. There is a huge difference between a story in a book and a screenplay. The fact that he was able to keep as much as he did the same is actually miraculous. It takes great talent from the director, writers, and the editor. If we stayed 100% true to the book (in any story) when adapting it for a movie: It wont work. One of my favourite books is Jurassic Park. They actually changed far more than they should have for the movie but the alternative, not changing anything, would have actually made for a worse movie. Peter Jackson is great. I will be honest in saying that I don't actually like The Two Towers very much (actually I just didn't like that part of the story to begin with) and I wasn't all that into Return of the King... They were still great.

[@PeterJavi]

I don't know the source material for Jurassic park. How would it have made for a worse movie?

[@mateuszjokiel2813]

You know, the Tolkien psychofans even in this viedo's very comments are positively furious about Jackson's edits and additions because they, apparently, "betray Tolkien's vision". I for one *never* felt that and I'd read the books numerous times ever since I was a pre-teen but whatever. I've even seen suggestions that what they should have done was literally take a bunch of Tolkien's descriptions, put an EXT./INT. or a CONT. before them, paste in the dialogues word for word and have that be the screenplay. And for them, I have only two things to say. And that is: not only do they embarrass themselves by not knowing the fundamental differences between storytelling media, they're proving how miserable their lives are and all I can do is pity them. If for you an adaptation is just not good unless it's one to one (sorta like how the Bakshi movie was which is awful), just stick to the books, disregard the adaptations that do not (cannot and literally never will) live up to your ridiculous expectations as fan fiction and touch some bloody grass.

[@jonathansoko1085]

@@mateuszjokiel2813 In order to be entirely faithful to the books, the movie would be 14 hours long

[@sergeantbigmac]

@@PeterJavi There are a few digressive plotpoints removed to streamline the story. Including a river sequence that they worked into the 3rd film. Not to mention the characters that are totally changed (for the better imo) some character personalities changed and certain characters flipped or composites of several from the book. Such as making Hammond generally good man vs maniacal genius in the books. The game warden, lawyer, and Malcolm in the book are very different characters. Not to mention a ridiculous RPG vs TREX showdown... Spielberg absolutely made the right choices, books and films are different mediums and Spielbergs handle on his craft is highlighted in how he handled JP. IMO its a perfect example of how changes from the book and 'faithfulness' arent always the only barometer of a good adaptation.

[@sychuan3729]

@@sergeantbigmac Well Hammond wasn't maniac in book, he was businessman who cared only about money. This was the idea of the book: if science is only for money it will lead do disaster. But as I hate this "capitalism is evil, businessmen are criminals" trope I liked the change. I also liked that they mde girl computer geek. In book she was unreasonably unpleasant. Don't remember about other character so

[@JackDManheim]

He is explaining common sense as delicately as possible

[@hudsonball4702]

100% on point. I'm not going to watch amazon's series for this exact reason.

[@KillerDudeT19]

same.

[@musicinthemachine]

I think I will wait to see what they actually do with it before deciding if it's good or bad. So far there has been roughly close to zero actually shown about what the show will be. Instead just commentary and speculation about what they think Amazon might do.

[@brandonandujar2289]

okay racist

[@tenou213]

I really enjoyed Chris' phrasing of the issue. The topic of preserving knowledge is just missing from current entertainment. We are all about justifying our own, shallow view of the world built on compounding Dunning Kreuger assumptions. It's absolutely confounding that our current information context is the most transparent its ever been - and we are consequently inundated by opinions explicitly looking to bend sources to fit preconceived narratives. The "I fixed it" trend on twitter is a horrifying microcosm of this trend because it doesn't stop at minor art doodles.

[@tiaferguson8848]

@ScoutBlaster it's beautiful 😍

[@tenou213]

@ScoutBlaster thanks for the compliment. Sadly, I learned everything from surprisingly prosaic seller's agreements.

[@filmcourage]

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[@fellowcitizen]

Just started the video, and I've gotta say - I love the blackboard! More use of the blackboard please!

[@ravegyrl3200]

Yes, the blackboard is a nice touch.

[@futurestoryteller]

No

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[@NoLootStudios]

Theres something refreshing that happens to you when you watch a guy you agree with 110% talk.

[@frocat5163]

Not only is the LotR film trilogy one of the greatest film trilogies of all time, it's also one of the most accurate book-to-film adaptations of all time. And I say that as someone who strongly disagreed with the several of the key changes they made (Faramir trying to take the Ring from Frodo?! Frodo telling Sam to f*ck off and leave?!).

[@Erithacus]

Agreed! i really don't like the change of Faramir's character (he was so awsome in the books!) and yeah, "go home Sam" thing. I can live with all other changes I guess :-)

[@mikearchibald744]

The movie was a butchery of Tolkien and in most places idiotic. Aragorn and Frodo on the bridge of khazad dum and him yelling 'lean'. It was beyond stupid and hte movies barely had ANY of the dialogue of the books. "The Silence of the Lambs" was an extremely accurate book to film, as was bram stokers dracula, romeo and juliet, The Keep, Jurassic Park was even closer as was Pride and Prejudice and the Chronicles of Narnia. Gone with the Wind and To kill a mockingbird were both closer than this train wreck. If you like the movies, fine, but don't pretend they were anything but a loose following of the generic plot. By the third one, when Aragorn had also died and come back to life I didn't even pay attention. I didn't even know that about faramir, but thats just outright butchery of the plot. I wouldn't waste my time going down the list, but I encourage peopel to read the books, I don't encourage anybody watch the movies.

[@tratzum]

I found that the Hunger games movies followed the books really well.

[@Dave-ks9fi]

@@mikearchibald744 I'd encourage both, the time span of the audible book is close to the full length of the movies before they get to Breen, so the film's make a good compressed intro to the world.

[@davidmcdonnel4831]

The films could be more accurate by showing Sam and Frodo walking for half of each movie. They cut out too much of the mind numbing tedium of Sam and Frodo's journey.

[@Luthien_Amalanya]

I absolutely love Tolkien’s work and the original Lord of the Rings movies! I never once doubted that I might not be able to relate to the characters because they don’t look like me. All the characters of Tolkien just make sense in the world of Middle Earth. I feel deeply connected to and inspired by them.

[@thagirion9761]

Thank you! Well said!

[@HilaryB.]

Couldn't agree with you more Angela. What sorry creatures we would be if we confined our imaginations in that way .

[@null6955]

i think its interesting that we can say that bc we grew up with media that didn't really have people that looked like us in it. ofc we're gonna see the human experience no matter what, and relate to these characters. like in harry potter the character i related to the most was ron and hes a white red head. however, the pushback that i see where people don't like that characters have their skin color changed in new adaptations is so silly to me. someone who grew up relating to white ppl bc its the human experience that you are attached to. so it shouldn't bother ppl so much that new adaptations take new directions. i would understand if the actual characterization was twisted, but if its just the appearance...ppl need to get a grip.

[@Luthien_Amalanya]

@@null6955 I grew up watching people that look like me also in China. I guess that majority of the Tolkien fans are upset because the new production distorted Tolkien’s world that he created. 😊

[@null6955]

@@Luthien_Amalanya how does changing the skin color of some characters distort the world he created? his world is still alive in the original movies and books. this is frankly ludicrous bc these are adaptations, what is the point of making a new show to begin with if you aren't allowed to take some liberties. i'd get if the show ruined characterizations, but if its just the appearance of some characters, people truly need to grow the fuck up.

[@00pugsly48]

She’s such a great interviewer. She also has a great voice for narration.

[@nicolesudjono]

Damn, just by reading those quotes, he was able to predict the outcome of the show. And he hasn't even read the books to know this!

[@GeoPePeTto]

Actually he didn’t.

[@shabut]

@@GeoPePeTto lmao

[@TamaHawkLive]

​@Catana George I'd say in hindsight now on the backend of that shit storm, ya he 100% did predict the outcome of the show.

[@the8u9]

It's honestly pretty simple. It's about being a professional. Professionals don't care about their own feelings and opinions. But the entertainment industries don't have a professional mentality as strong as let's say for example, the medical field. The idea is to do your job, which is to deliver a LOTR experience, not deliver whatever you want to deliver. Imagine a chef "updating" a well known recipe and telling people to like it. Oh I swapped out all the lettuce in a Caesar Salad with kale and put yogurt instead of ranch because that's "in" right now. WELL THEN THAT'S NOT A CAESAR SALAD.

[@riddlerwillison3336]

"Professionals have Standarts"- Sniper, TF2. But seriously, I agree with you.

[@blueeyed5074]

Good breakdown by this guy. Btw : I cannot believe that they want a FANTASY series to reflect what the real world looks like.

[@ComradeCommissarYuri]

They want it to reflect the modern real world

[@Reapor234]

On one hand, i kinda understand. Certain real world races aren't always represented very well in movies and TV. For some people, seeing people like themselves in movies is cathartic and uplifting. I'm all for that. ... ... ... In original material. Adaptations, though, should stick to the source material as best as plausible. In the case of diversity/ representation, I don't like how it almost always feels forced; even when the source material would suggest something different be applied. If you're going to pick an actor that's race is different from the source material, it should be because they were really good at the role.

[@Lawrence_Talbot]

Right?! In a world filled with orcs, goblins, dragons, monsters; they have to make it a statement about Western racism and gender identity

[@ComradeCommissarYuri]

@@Reapor234 they had the chance to adapt an area of middle Earth we’ve not seen before that is diverse an make a really interesting story Instead they did this

[@ANTIStraussian]

Funniest part of this comment section is no one has seen the show lol. Reminds me of the nerd rage about The Boys first trailer put out by Amazon. "They change a train to black! Wait that character isn't a girl!!" Then we watchdd it and it was a great show.

[@AdamLProductions]

As a rabid Tolkien fan, when I initially saw Jackson's work (the LOTR trilogy, not the one where he lost his freakin' mind and/or was bribed into making that disaster) I was extremely critical and even angered by a number of changes that were completely unnecessary. Looking at The Rings of Power trailers and images, it makes Jackson's work on LOTR appear to have been created by Tolkien himself in comparison. I don't have words to describe how disgusted I am with what they're doing.

[@Cammerlot]

What exactly disgusts you?

[@tristantries9211]

I personally found the changes to the original trilogy movie set to be tasteful and make sense for the change in medium adaptation.

[@Zekushion6]

Why?

[@bistromathics6]

Yeah, I saw one teaser-trailer, and thought, "Oh NO..."

[@TheStoryGeeks]

Excellent commentary from Chris on this one. I just did a video a couple weeks back titled, "Why you SHOULDN'T write with an agenda" (even though you should have a message). And this highlights that perfectly. Great stuff, Chris!

[@micheleflynn6705]

Jackson was a real fan. I was scared at first but absolutely loved the first 3 books adaptations. Since I was 12 I read and reread the Trillagy every few years. I'm now in my 60s so yes it means a lot that someone got it as close to my desire to see it

[@Saffiros]

wonderful to hear your ability to appreciate fantasy has remained with you over the decades. It's been over 15 years since I read the LOTR trilogy. I think I will make plans to reread it this year