How to be a Porsche VIP

[@VINwiki]

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[@WeAreCurated]

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[@autotempest]

If you can afford to go buy a 911 and a Cayenne to earn some goodwill to eventually buy a GT3 someday, do that. If not, there's AutoTempest. 😂

[@jackhammer078jack4]

Dave Ramsey needs to subscribe to this channel. He is all about just sell the car

[@Aiken47]

No, you can’t buy the car you want by throwing money at them. They gatekeep who gets the GT cars.

[@glazedegyptian]

When I sold for Porsche here in North Carolina, we had a few customers like this. One customer came in and purchased a 718 Boxster GTS in Carmine Red for his mom, deposit for a PTS 911 Turbo S 991.2, and a Macan GTS all just to get an allocation for the 991.2 GT2 RS. Also, this customer had a great network of coworkers who were all gear heads. He alone brought in probably $2,000,000 in business with referrals.

[@clairvoyance6847]

this is why we capitalism

[@leviathan19]

I hope he got something nice from the dealership

[@henrycollins2478]

@@leviathan19 a GT2 RS

[@leviathan19]

@@henrycollins2478 What I meant was after being the referral for 2 million usd in sales, probably their most prolific saler, I hope the dealership had the courtesy to do something nice for him (I mean a client of mine brings me $2mm in sales I would give him a taycan for free)

[@edvardsimon2760]

@leviathan19 well 2 million in sales probably does not generate that much profit to just give him a Taycan for free

[@VladiDusil]

The French fashion house Hermès were the first to pioneer this tactic in order to get customers allocations for the highly desired Kelly and Birkin bags. This method is now taking broader hold in the automotive industry. Frankly, it's a bloody shame and not something I would ever participate in.

[@charlesmullenax4448]

Probably the most important of the comments made and only received 5 likes.

[@VladiDusil]

@@charlesmullenax4448 Thank you, Charles. Appreciate the kind words. I think it's important for folks to realize that the luxury industry has been playing this silly game for ages. The worst part is that there are enough suckers to willingly play along. Meanwhile luxury conglomerates post record revenues, laughing all the way to the bank.

[@criznash]

It's not the first time it's been used in the automotive industry though. He even talked about how Ferrari does this in the video.

[@VladiDusil]

@@criznash You're right, I edited my comment.

[@gzfashions]

@@VladiDusil I understand what you’re saying but if you’re paying for quality that’s one thing when it comes to luxury but.. if you’re being suckered into a sale that portraying luxury when in reality it’s cheaply made that’s another thing. For my eCommerce business i take about 3-5 hours to create a product and packaging. Yes it’s luxury bespoke 1 of 1 and I avoid over marketing because I know my product is luxury rare and quality. If you don’t like luxury and can’t afford it stay in your own lane. Don’t need to judge those that sell the product instead critique the taste of those who want more in products and accessories.

[@jealva]

I’m quite confused by the Porsche market today. I have 4 Porsches, including a GT3 and a GT3 RS but I lost my relationship with one dealer who sold to me at MSRP until the 991.2 GT3 RS when he asked for a premium. I moved my business over to a larger volume dealer, bought a Macan S to show my good faith for the future but when the 992 GT3 and GT3 RS came in, I got asked for $100+K ADMs. I passed and now I’m not sure I’ll ever buy another Porsche. I had been offered a 918 by Porsche back in 2013 (got the folder and brochure in the mail plus offered a test drive) but I didn’t buy it and now I’m nowhere with Porsche dealers. At this point, Ferrari is treating me better and I have a deposit on a 296 GTB with an allocation coming up for order later this year. That’s an MSRP deal and the dealer paid for a free customer tour at the Ferrari factory in September so they are treating me well. I still want the new GT3 RS but I haven’t found a Porsche dealer who values my business today. I’m open to a new dealer relationship, even out of state, and I’m willing to buy another Porsche as well as the RS but here in California, that gets me nowhere.

[@xcarter_carsx2848]

Who’s your Ferrari dealer?

[@jealva]

@@xcarter_carsx2848 I’m in Los Angeles, it’s a local dealer.

[@joeyangelini4649]

I'm not a Porsche customer. But with Ducati, I have worked with the GM of the dealer here in San Antonio on multiple occasions. Quite the distance from Cali, but Don at Porsche San Antonio was always a pleasure to work with.

[@jealva]

@@joeyangelini4649 Thanks for the advice. I’ll reach out to him and see how it goes.

[@TheBucketOfTruth]

Good dealers still exist but you'll have a hell of a time getting MSRP hot Porsches in Los Angeles. And you hit on one of the other issues. One dealer up north does MSRP deals and told me they won't consider allocations for GT cars for customers unless they have purchased five previous vehicles from the dealership group in the last however many years. So in that way they are rewarding their more loyal and profit making customers. But there's nothing guaranteeing you a car after you buy those five others which is why some say just pay what you're willing to pay for the car you want today and not bothering with all of this. That's what I had to do. The good news is I could probably get as much or more for that car today. It is what it is. I'm actually quite curious what dealers you were working with before that have changed their tune. Even in 2016 I couldn't get a GT4 at MSRP from an LA store though I was not an existing customer anywhere.

[@411Adidas]

If people wouldn't pay over sticker and have an ounce of patience, we wouldn't have this problem in the first place.

[@mg-by7uu]

They literally won't sell you a car if you don't. I've bought two cars from my Porsche dealer and they won't sell me one so..

[@blackrippin]

It's all relative, sometimes I'll buy an expensive drink at a gas station because I'm really thirsty during a road trip. I don't sweat the extra 2 dollar. Some people that 2 dollars is 60k

[@ImARealHumanPerson]

@@mg-by7uu You've missed the point. If nobody is willing to buy a car over sticker, dealerships wouldn't be able to sell them over sticker..

[@B_COOPER]

The fuck bro did you not hear him say that TWO cargo ships sank with Porsche cars on them?

[@mg-by7uu]

@@ImARealHumanPerson Yes that's true. But if Porsche would actually sell people GT cars no one would need to pay over sticker. The markup you pay is for the allocation really. I think you're more likely to convince Porsche to change their ways than to convince rich people not to pay extra

[@oldahe]

The good thing about this video is that you can totally have a stroke or two and not miss any of the information. Video length: 10 Minutes, total content: 30 Seconds

[@timkinley1779]

Nice.

[@jakerox43]

Welcome to KZbin!

[@Emira_75]

@@jakerox43 depends who u watch

[@shouldigetit]

@@Emira_75 Shorter is better (everyone but my girlfriend says that to me)

[@Emira_75]

@@shouldigetit nah, information density is what we're talking about. Length of video is meaningless, unless you're a tik tok ADHD kid that can't focus on a 10 minute video

[@tylerh6315]

My neighbor has been a Porsche collector for years and always has the newest flagship car from Porsche. He also gets a brand new panamera turbo s every 6 months so I see why 😂😂😂

[@pokerpariah]

My buddy was interested in purchasing a 911 GT3 RS back in 2012. Plano Porsche had a brand new green one in their showroom and we decided I would drive him up there so he could purchase the car and drive it home. We pulled up in my brand new Lexus IS-F with paper plates and were ignored by all the salesman. We were never greeted or even acknowledged. Even as we walked passed several salesman outside smoking, nothing. Inside the showroom we had to ask the receptionist for sales help after viewing the car. My buddy advised he was interested in purchasing the vehicle even at their markup from MSRP. The salesman told him he has never purchased from them and that they are only interested in selling to their loyal customers. This pissed him off so much that he still will refuse to purchase any car under the VW corporation.

[@B1SQ1T]

Isn’t that more of a dealership problem than a VW problem though

[@the_traveling_broker]

Wish more brands realized this. I ordered a 2022 king ranch tremor from my local ford dealer. Was going to trade in my 2018 Raptor. I’ve also had a bronco reservation for +2 years. They had a bronco raptor come in and had the audacity to offered it to me for 75k over MSRP. So I canceled my F-250 and took my business to another dealer.

[@GordonFreeman.]

Wow, so you are saying if I throw tons of money at a dealer they will let me buy more of their cars? Rocket science here folks

[@elibrown8937]

Imagine having the mindset to comply with this buffoonery

[@martyfromdvag]

only a dealer would sell this nonsense. but in the moment it seems like "the answer"

[@tngdwn8350]

It's not really nonsense. They produce a product which is practically limited. They don't have a clear limit like some manufactures, but they only have a limited amount of production capacity and, while people think it works this way, it's not possible to generate a new car factory whenever you want, especially when you are producing locally like Porsche. Also their existing factorys are already working at the limit and they increased the amount of GT3s produced constantly over every generation. In addition to that the GT3 is a performance car und Porsche is one of the bigger manufactures, so there are certain regulations in place, which means, if I remember correctly, for every GT3 they sell they also have to sell an EV. They generally have to compansate their performance oriented IC cars. At the end, the car is limited by certain factors, but the demand is much, much higher, so it's obvious how the market reacts. Porsche could just charge much more money for the car and adjust the market this way, but instead they use the method mentioned in the video and sell it to people who are Porsche/car enthusiasts and loyal customers.

[@gaveintothedarkness]

"He gets any Porshe he wants with this one SIMPLE trick!"

[@GordonFreeman.]

@@tngdwn8350 what is the difference between forcing customers to buy two cars vs charging double for a single car they actually want? Would really love to hear you jump through hoops to explain that one.

[@itsvirusoid]

as someone who works at a porsche dealer in canada this is exactly how it works, although if you are willing to pay cash straight up and have every option on a new gt3 rs you might actually get the allocatio. and the customer who we gave the gt2 rs allocation too is probably the nicest guy ive ever met

[@migzthearistokat6190]

At least you guys work it out but here in the us despite promising business and going all out on the options they still 1 up you. Btw I have a serious car guy for you if you can get a gt3 rs allocation. He can go all out just doesn’t want to be taken advantage of . He has social media presence an extensive car collection of dreams and is owner of one of very well known rally’s. If you guys can do it lmk.

[@Ironcoremagma]

Curious, what was the guy like? Huge car guy, had his own business and all?

[@itsvirusoid]

@@migzthearistokat6190 allocations are assigned by Porsche Canada not the individual dealers, but if he walks into any dealer with cash in hand it might happen

[@migzthearistokat6190]

@@itsvirusoid not in the US man, you have to come in with msrp plus 100k bribe

[@sanjeevgogna4119]

Where in Canada? Ive had other sports cars but want to get into Porsche. im located in Toronto

[@michaelmcdonald9847]

Probably one of the funniest videos I have ever seen. “This system is best for everyone involved.” No it isn’t. There is no guarantee that buying tons of cars from a dealer gets you an allocation for a car at MSRP. As soon as someone comes along and offers over MSRP, the dealer won’t care how many cars you have purchased from them, they are going with the person who will pay more for the limited car. What Porsche really needs to do is make more cars. Make 100k GT4s

[@porscherain]

Exactly this. You MAY get an allocation with these steps but sticker is unlikely.

[@ryanwinter2112]

So instead of paying over sticker for a new GT car, your expected to just eat the depreciation of the "bridge car" over however long it takes for the GT car to be delivered? Sounds to me like you're still spending more money than just the sticker price either way.

[@VINwiki]

Correct but then you get the next one at MSRP too.

[@Flat55Six]

Unless your bridge car is a GTS or Turbo S.

[@bencartwright9359]

This makes about as much sense as going out with the hot chick's sister, in the hope that one day you will be able to marry the hot chick.

[@09juliancarr]

In the UK, you will need to buy more than one car to get anywhere near a GT3 allocation. I have heard that one customer bought two Taycans and a Macan (in 12 months) and he was not able to get an allocation!!!

[@martyfromdvag]

this is a true explanation of the nonsense these dealers get up to

[@thatcopenguy]

I heard someone called dealers in the UK and one said that they got 5 cars for the year, first in line was a customer who spent 1 mil in the last 12 ( or 24, I forgot the detail ) months, last car was to one that spent 400k. It made sense to prioritize your best customers but it sounded insane to spend 400k for an allocation for a

[@derekdok]

Or what Porsche could do is meet market demand and you cut out the flippers. If 10k people want a GT3/RS, make 10k of them.

[@xm3ntal620]

Although this makes sense I think it's also the scarcity and exclusivity that makes people want to overpay for the GT cars. The dealers and manufacturer also likes this because it puts their product on a very high pedestal.

[@derekdok]

@Binh Le but if there that good a car, those 10,000 buyers, you can be sure 95% will want to upgrade to the newer model and maybe some of their friends.

[@xm3ntal620]

@@derekdok it doesnt really matter for Porsche bc the brand has deep racing heritage and the product is very good. I think the situation is unavoidable.

[@joeljeffrey9139]

I'm not that old (33), but I remember a time when paying window sticker was considered being a sucker. Now in today's world it's a deal 🙃

[@lo0nyt0onz]

Yeah..at toyota, honda, chevy,Buick. European and collector cars is completly different. If you can't afford the sticker then why are they speaking to you about a car you can't afford?

[@IndependenceCityMotoring]

This is a crony system. A simpler, better, and more efficient system would be for Volkswagen/Porsche to put a lien on the title for a specified period of time, to ensure that the owner keeps the car rather than flipping it.

[@maynarddrivesfast804]

True, but this current system makes them more money.

[@martyfromdvag]

you will never be the crony, the brokers they claim to hate will be

[@daexion]

They legally cannot put a lien on the title unless they are the lender.

[@IndependenceCityMotoring]

@@daexion False. There are different types of liens. Also you can structure a required nominal loan contract with no prepayment allowed.

[@jesusgtz]

"I am willing to be a sucker"

[@low-key4966]

This one is my favorite😂

[@f03105590]

[EXPLETIVES REDACTED] What a staggering and appalling viewpoint. If I was *ever* lucky enough to be in a position to afford a top end 911 (whatever they're calling it this week), I'd hope to be able to buy one. The suggestion repeatedly however that I should be lucky and have to encourage the Porsche dealer to lower themselves to perhaps consider selling me a car is staggering. To be clear, I'm not suggesting they *owe* me the opportunity, allocation or the car, but the suggestion I should casually "just purchase another two or three cars", particularly at this price point, to give the dealer a reason to talk to me when I can't fathom achieving funding *the* car in question is towering arrogance and a hideous and idiotic viewpoint to "just air" in public. Absolute insanity.

[@scuderia747bhp]

Very well said! It’s like people have lost their minds in the last couple of years.

[@bwofficial1776]

Rolex and Ferrari do the same. They artificially limit supply to increase demand and drive up exclusivity. It works at keeping their air of luxury but it's unfair. I want a Rolex GMT Pepsi but I'm not buying $40k of Submariners and Datejusts and whatever else so they can evaluate my commitment to the brand and put me on a list to maybe be allowed to buy one whenever they get their two allocated for the year. If I walk in there with a briefcase of money I should be able to walk out with whatever I want.

[@BLProd11]

This is the game when demand is 10x supply. Its like this on homes, cars, watches. Welcome to 2023.

[@zeusmultirotor8479]

@@BLProd11 we will see how long this is the case if layoffs of high income employees of the tech companies continue

[@EdBolian]

There is a real art to playing the new-car-dealer game. Good lessons here.

[@andrewcarlson5254]

This is also only applicable to the top 3% of earners. Not hating. It’s just advice for a narrow window of folks. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@MGPurrrp]

@@andrewcarlson5254While I totally agree with you and what you are saying is true, if your goal in life or your one motivation/pleasure/thing, is buying this car or a similar car, these lessons are still valuable even if it’s future knowledge or wishful thinking lmfao. I know I’m never going to buy a car like this and that’s fine because it isn’t my priority and I’ll live a happy life without it but I still like learning this stuff.

[@MGPurrrp]

And if I didn’t know about allocations or dealer preferences when I do want to buy something like this (even if it’s in my damn dreams) now I know lol.

[@cdula26]

@@andrewcarlson5254 Sounds like you got some work to do and some money to make.

[@Btk780]

Why don't u get some real people with real stories and not these entitled assholes

[@ScottParisi]

Just got a pre-owned Macan Turbo and inquired about a GT3 Touring and the dealer actually had an allocation. Only catch is $125,000 over sticker.

[@melondoc]

I wish I had known or thought about this strategically - muggins here has bought 6 Porsches, each from a different dealer. As far as getting an allocation for a GT3, it's not happening for me, but I have a hard time getting worked up about it - the 992 doesn't really do it for me. It's more sensible to just pay the market premium to get a pre-owned 997 or a 991 Touring. If I could get over reliability concerns I'd be all over a McLaren Artura, which a dealer would gladly sell me.

[@Michael-pi8ps]

My problem is the ONLY WORKS right now with inflated values. The second values dip all of a sudden you’re 100k under water because the 3 cars you bought to get your GT3RS are now worth substantially less. Used cars will not and should not trade hands for equal/more than MSRP. And trying to make this process work on a corporate level would require changing an entire company culture. It works for Ferrari because as far as I know, Ferrari has always operated this way and they carry a significant premium over the likes of comparable cars.

[@nicholasdouglas7080]

A car salesman telling you to buy 2 or 3 cars today so I'll sell you another in a year and a half sound like they want you to eat their depreciation while paying taxes end everything else plus the salesman commission sounds like he's trying to push this hard

[@Ringmaster30]

This idea is BS. There are literally thousands of examples of people who did have "relationships" with dealers where the have purchased many cars over the years and when that customer wanted to purchase a hard to get car the dealer told them they didn't care how many cars they bought. Dealer then proceeded to tell the customer that if they wanted the hard to get car they would pay the crazy ADM over sticker.

[@jguillot72]

FACTS

[@scuderia747bhp]

Poor people make money, wealthy connections, trust me you do business right you’ll make ton of money and stay busy for years to come! What these dealers are doing it’s a scam that’s all plain and simple

[@bwofficial1776]

@Joshua Jones It is. Would you want to go to a sketchy dealer when you can go to one that will treat you respectfully? They'd actually sell more cars when word gets out that they don't charge astronomical markups.

[@jasonware]

We will see if they're still singing the same tune in a year from today.

[@gtspdracer2]

Wish that was the case. But my dealership still will charge you 60k over for a Turbo s and 100-150k over for an RS. They don't care how many cars you have purchased from them. I tried buying 3 and all were heavily marked up.

[@jcyohanofficial1443]

FYI - for anyone trying to get a 992 GT3RS, good luck. This won't likely work for you unless you buy 10+ cars. My dealer (in dallas) just to get a 992 GT3 you have to have bought at least 6 cars, and be a returning customer. I have a friend who bought about 12 cars from them and couldn't get a GT3RS allocation without waiting another year in line. And he currently has a 992 GT3 too which is crazy to think about.

[@michaelmcdonald9847]

Need to be a 918 and 991 GT2 RS owner for starters

[@bucklebry_9982]

@@michaelmcdonald9847 Gt3rs coming this year. Never purchased a GT car from Porsche. Was one of the first on the eoi list in Nov 2021.

[@aaronschen9896]

Enjoy your leverage while you have it dealers. It will come to an end even for porsche. This is a pretty rosey spin on forcing a customer out of a car they like, into a car the are ok with, to wait for the car they really want......not that I have a better solution in mind.

[@GordonFreeman.]

Exactly, this is just as extortionate as flippers. Buy one or two full price cars and MAYBE we will LET you buy the one you actually want. I’d honestly rather give a flipper the money upfront rather than wait a few years for a maybe.

[@kovu159]

This is the end of the line for internal combustion engines. I think that due to new EV mandates ratcheting up every year between now and 2035, those limits on ICE cars sales will make them more and more scarce. Porsche can ride this wave all the way to the oblivion of the ICE, so the next 12 years.

[@MisterMonsieur]

@@kovu159 Nope! Even the EU has given "special exemptions" for low-volume exotics under 10k units; the U.S. is exempt for up to 12k units. It might be the end for your EconoBox, but exotics get to keep their V8s, V10, and V12s longer. That's one perk of being rich and writing the rules!

[@gloriariley-schaaf2490]

This is exactly true. My first Porsche ever was a Panamera because that's all they had on the lot in 2012...then I was lucky enough that the dealer told me I could get my actual dream 911 after I had purchased it, then the 911 Targa 4S, then the Porsche Macan Turbo, then the Porsche Cayenne Platinum and now a Porsche 911 Turbo. Finally after owning 4 different Porsches and still have the Cayenne, I got the Turbo. It only took ten years or buying and owning Porsches......Good luck.

[@psncoolpjhq]

I actually have a GT500 CFTP, and the dealership saw that I've been a long time ford customer with 5 previous trade ins they only charged me for 6k over to do a mandatory PPF which I wanted to anyways. I got a pretty sweet deal! I also bought a Porsche Cayenne 23' and I really want a GT3RS not for investment but I want to enjoy the car. I really do hope I can fall into that category one day.

[@anthonyjenkins3335]

This is the same situation with Rolex. Ultimately it’s very good for business but terrible for consumers

[@bwofficial1776]

And Ferrari. You can walk in with a briefcase of cash and they won't sell you a new one. You have to buy a couple used ones while they evaluate your commitment to the brand. I read a story of someone who had the cash to buy his dream car, a F12 but the dealer refused to even talk about a new car. He went across the street and bought a Lamborghini. Rolex artificially limits production to increase demand and drive up prices. Contrast that with Omega which makes as many as they can sell and has special editions for every day of the week. Just one of the reasons why I'm not a fan of Rolex and prefer Omegas.

[@Rhaspun]

@@bwofficial1776 That's why Jay Leno won't buy a Ferrari. I've gone with microbrands for watches. They can be truly exclusive compared to Rolex.

[@colinlane5274]

This video brings up some good points and this method would likely net you access to a gt3 or gt3rs but with shortages getting better and the economy worsening, it is likely the line for these cars will dry up soon. But people also tend to forget that there are other cars than Porsche 911s.

[@tobecomezero]

I tried to buy a Taycan Turbo S during the COVID shortage from a dealer 40 miles from my house, only to be told that I lived too far away-they only wanted “local” customers. Now that same dealer is bombarding me with emails and text messages about Taycans that they can’t move. 😂

[@RICARDOABECH]

I blame people who cannot wait to get stuff, "life it too short" kind of bulls*t. I would never play dealers game. I prefer taking a bus than burn money to get something I do not want with the expectation of *maybe* getting something in the future. Lets wait few years and see where dealers are going to be. I remember going into a Porsche Dealler in 2018 and buying a Macan GTS with 10% off MSRP and a bunch of extras and it was a easy transaction.

[@zamorakxe]

Buying a macan gts isn't the same a getting a GT3. This model is highly sought after and low supply.

[@Dragon228833]

I am one of those people but it’s up to a point. I’m 22 so this isn’t for a gt3rs but I figured paying 3 grand over sticker to get my gr86 was well worth it rather than waiting until a point where the msrp caught up with what I paid anyways. Life is too short to wait away years of your life to get something you really want as long as you can attain it within reason

[@RICARDOABECH]

Yes but people are paying 10k over for a fricking Hynday nowadays

[@Dragon228833]

@@RICARDOABECH 50% markup is ode

[@canitbesaved1922]

I don’t live in this world of “lesser desirable 911s,” but now I know a world like this exists. Lol Makes sense and honestly once those are traded in, it’ll supply the pre-owned Porsche market an inventory

[@AZM3DIA]

Have Porsche buddy who has a 718 GT4 RS on order, he had a 911 GT3 before traded it in, and they had him pick up a Taycan as the interim car so this tracks. Also, I was on the other side of the fence with my G80 M3 order. Took 10 months to get my build 6 of which was spent just waiting for an allocation. Then because of shortages and flippers I couldn't get all the spec's I wanted. Still ecstatic with the car but maybe porsche is worth looking at next.

[@Sube-Tube]

Step one: be extremely rich, rich enough to buy a dealerships worth of cars

[@mercedesc639]

Good concepts. But not everyone wants to lose money on multiple cars to get one car. I think theres much refinement left here.

[@migzthearistokat6190]

First vin wiki video that said nothing and provided nothing of value. This guy literally said don’t whine and do what the dealer wants and let them rob you blind with the ad fees And all the bs that might get you in their graces . Dealers don’t care if you promise to be a loyal customer or buying a bridge car . They want their 100k over and that’s it . Supply and demand as they say. I’ve called all over Cali to get a gt3rs for a prominent and well known collector and they don’t care about the marketing value or anything dealers are only thinking short term and becoming the flippers themselves . They are only making flippers with more money charge way more later .I think it’s better to start good relationships with resellers at this point.

[@keithrichards-io5db]

This is an accurate description of what it takes to buy a new GT car. In Ontario Canada a dealer walked me through this process. On the surface it seems like Porsche is following a bad policy- but the reality is that GT cars are like houses in 2007 or 2021- speculators are controlling prices. So Porsche has adapted a Ferrari like policy. BTW- these cars aren’t the only ones - i challenge anyone who dumps on Porsche or Ferrari to try and get the new Corvette Z06 without being an historic vette customer

[@weldchip]

As a long time Porsche owner, i think length of time one has owned and driven them should be the biggest factor. it should be something like minimum of 5 years ownership of sporting models (no suv's) and you need to prove that you drive the thing 5-10k a year, track days also should score more points towards an allocation. If i could get a gt3rs allocation i would daily & track it like every Porsche i have owned 🙂 when the market eventually collapses and it will just like gpu's did, i will pick up a garage queen example race prep it, immediately take it to to the track and put it to proper use.

[@jockegbg1]

This fella is a damn good storyteller and facts are straight on point, or the speculations etc, more of him Ed!

[@RogerAlan]

Shout out to Mark Tuzzolino at Porsche Huntington, great & honest salesman.

[@WynnTyme]

This is not necessarily true, in Houston my friends has bought about 7-8 new Porsches from the dealership and still has no allocation to a GT3 or GT3RS that he wants. He literally bought two 718 Spyders over sticker, 992 GTS, two Macan GTS, GT4, GT4RS over sticker, etc. Feel bad for the guy throwing away so much money.

[@turboboy0]

when i buy a new vehicle, i drive / ride it. both my 2019 ram 1500 quad cab 4x4 hemi and my 2019 kawasaki zx14r have low mileage. less than 19k miles COMBINED. no plan on selling either. had to wait 2.5 months while the ram (special ordered) was being built and the bike matched the truck so i bought it too. im a big fan of metallic pearl black paint.

[@fullmetalf4i]

such a crappy situation that its come to the point that you need to purchase 1 or 2 super high price cars that you didnt particularly want, just to get the chance to buy a car you wanted...

[@thiagomarques3036]

dealer markup is straight up scam. shame on people who try to argue in favor of it

[@saul_bloom]

Tried this twice but didn't work yet. You need to ensure the dealer cares. I'd say more than half of Porsche dealers are corrupt. You need to get lucky and find the right dealer.

[@anthonymaldonado8018]

A little late to the party but I finally have come into some money and I have wanted a GT3 since i was a kid. This 992 generation is amazing but I have been having a hard time justifying that 60 to 100k mark up. I will be looking to make the purchase within the next year, hoping a 992.2 comes out relatively soon to bring down the prices on the 992.1s. If not, will probably be looking into a 991.2 GT3 / RS

[@danielmorris7648]

This is why car companies keep running out of money they want fans not customers. All they should care about is how many cars they can move and how much money they can net

[@BijanIzadi]

Thats a really good point, walking in expecting to be front of line is crazy. I like what hes saying (most commenters that don’t like what hes saying probably are never gonna buy one anyway 😂)

[@mullman]

I’m a 50s single guy who’s father had 911’s and grandfather had 356’s. I’m finally at the point in my life where I can pay cash and build a relationship but can’t find an allocation. I am not willing to buy a bunch of shit I don’t need. I’ve been fortunate enough to do multiple BMW Euro-deliveries through the decades, but Porsche is being hard to deal with. I’m not a flipper. I want to spec a new car, then get another one at 100k miles.

[@randominternetuser2888]

My porsche dealership parts department treats me wonderful. Also it's convenient to get all my vehicle parts from the same place. They also have really great factory upgrades for their late model and classic cars.

[@gordon8871]

This is out of date in my area. New 911's, even the base and S versions, have a 1-3 year waiting period for the allocation. You can't just offer to buy one to get a GT3 later because they don't have one to sell you and the GT3 already has a waiting period that takes it into the next version of the car.

[@BLProd11]

You could buy a pre-owned one to get started

[@mornecoetzee735]

For a minute there I was worrying that the world is in a recession.

[@MisterMonsieur]

Only for peasants. The rich shield themselves with gov't bailouts, living off interest and raising rents. They don't actually work for their money.

[@bakha0888]

And that's one of the reason why we all hate dealerships. I kinda like the Tesla business model where you get to buy directly from manufacturer at MSRP. I went to MB dealership and they wanted $50k more for a $100k MSRP. Guess I'll be driving my old car until the recession beats some sense into these people. Hope car markets get back to normal and these people don't get to rob us just to buy a car.

[@zeusmultirotor8479]

I dont know whatll happen in Porsche land but the normal used car market has taken a sharp downward turn recently. No more used Hondas and Fords selling for more than sticker

[@salmon4o4]

Hypothetically speaking, If one who has never owned a Porsche, entered a dealership and requested a custom spec GT3, but also requested a custom spec Turbo S and Cayenne Turbo GT, would that automatically put you into the "VIP" list?

[@BLProd11]

No

[@salmon4o4]

@@BLProd11 So it really just is time and "dedication" to Porsche, correct?

[@BLProd11]

Those are all the top dollar cars, coming in off the street with no history and wanting the top 3 most likely wont happen

[@salmon4o4]

@@BLProd11 ahh, I see. I thought only the GT3 had the extreme-exclusive treatment. Thank you for your intellect.

[@BKetch]

I've thought this was the way to work hard to get items for awhile. A lot of dealers are shady, but if you come at the deal realizing they need to make money too it goes a lot better. When it comes to negotiating you cant expect the dealer to make zero, unless they way over paid for something.

[@MisterMonsieur]

The dealer NEVER makes "zero" even if they sell below invoice. Selling at MSRP is more than enough for them, which doesn't consider the volume bonus they make for all the cars they sell in a month. Don't be fooled into thinking that dealers make pennies on the dollar. They make money hand over fist. I've worked sales to service to management to being a dealer group VP. It's impossible for a dealer to lose money on any new car sale. Period.

[@bucklebry_9982]

If you get on a waitlist early enough (10 months minimum) you should have a decent chance at getting an allocation.

[@devonm5037]

6:00 you lost me. "dont feel entitled" sir im buying a goddamn luxury sports car im entitled to having it if im gonna pay. This whole video just enforces why we need to get the dealers to just be service shops. Manufacture to customer should be the norm. These entitled middle men need to go.

[@shahrukhbakar3248]

The basic issue is that Porsche has created a geographic and supply-side problem by setting the MSRP so low. If the MSRP and distribution were done correctly, there would be no secondary market. Set the 992 GT3 MSRP at 300k and the secondary market will disappear.

[@wtfchazpwnt]

Dealers will tell you to do this and "become a customer" then sell the gt3 over sticker price to someone else when it comes in.

[@tkmwong020480]

It depends which Country You're in though, I have a friend who have built strong relationships with the Local Dealership and He was told people who buy the exclusive Porsches are not allowed to flip the Cars anymore. Once discovered by Porsche, they will be Automatically Blacklisted for Life within the Dealership network and can't buy any Porsche or given any allocation at All. Also He knows another Friend who literally just walked up to the Dealership and said He wanted a GT4RS straight up without the BS of buying a bunch of Cars from Porsche before getting allocation, that was 2 years ago when the first Spy Photos leaked on Nurburgring (He previously owned a 991.1 GT3RS and 718 GT4) and He got His allocation in early April this year. My Friend only got a 718 GT4 and was also given allocation to a GT4 RS as well, but declined because He wanted a 992.2 GT3. So it really depends How You build the relationship and talk to the Dealerships.

[@kovu159]

> He wanted a GT4RS straight up without the BS of buying a bunch of Cars from Porsche before getting allocation ... He previously owned a 991.1 GT3RS and 718 GT4 So, he'd already bought a bunch of cars. He already did the thing in the video above, and was already a VIP.

[@tkmwong020480]

@kovu159 Not what You think it is. He didn't buy a 991.1 GT3RS until late 2018, He had a McLaren 570S before that. Same with the Cayman GT4 which He got early March 2022 as a weekend car. Both He didn't buy it from Porsche. He did the same when He went to buy a Car from McLaren first time, negotiated up front and got the Car He wanted.

[@jessecumbee6156]

My friend got the 2nd 992 GT3 in the nation and he’s getting one of the first RS on order

[@khalid5027]

My dealer is acting below average with clients whom being with him since 2005, that is Qatar Porsche dealer, and despite my continuous communications to Porsche reporting him nothing happened, so I decided to go to another Car brands despite my childhood and still passion to the 911

[@micard_yannick]

I'm just curious for the final production figures for the 992 GT3 RS.

[@joshuam4614]

This is insane. All you have to do if you want to order a GT3 is to go through the European delivery program. For every car the dealership sells through the European delivery program, that dealer is given an extra new 911 allotment. If they normally only receive 20 911 allotments a year, by taking your order they now get 21 cars. If the dealer gives you a hard time or tries to force you into buying some car that you don't want, write letters, not an E-mail, to Porsche NA and to Porsche AG. You will get the car at sticker price.

[@jeffreykilpatrick3592]

Delusional. Nothing you suggested is true.

[@jmayes27]

True, sorta, except the euro delivery program is so far behind and booked, you can’t get it for a while. Plus the dealer has to pay $3k for the customer to go, so not every Dealer will go for it..

[@blacksc400]

I bought 5 Porsches from the same dealership, including 911 4S， and two turbo S, then I finally I got offered a GT3 allocation, but still with 50k ADM…

[@SRQmoviemaker]

This is how we did some z06 orders, made em trade what they had for a Camaro or something else and then took that back for 90%

[@PointGiven]

I purchased three Porsches in two years and the dealer treated me like dirt and I will never go there again.

[@wydryfly]

It's the epitome of the Human Condition, and Porsche has successfully capitalized on it.

[@adamsmith2484]

Problem is there are so many people already playing this game that you can’t buy enough cars to get on the list. I spoke to dealer the other day who was personally delivering their customers 100th Porsche!!

[@Badjuju22]

I’ve bought 2 Porsches and sold them 2 hoping to get a allocation for a Dakar

[@botsebulldog1211]

If a dealer is telling you to do something like this, do you really think it's in the best interest of the buyer? .... like come on now lol let's be serious for once lmao

[@Jux2p0ze]

This is great but also a shame because I graduated up from a 718 to my first 911 C2S and now thirsting wistfully for a GT3, I've thoroughly enjoyed my vehicles and the brand. I think the best of my Atlanta sales team, but as someone who works hard and saves up independent of social media, influencer status, or just raw cash, it can be disheartening that the brand that made me enjoy driving and motorsports is showing signs of this practice.

[@alexhalbleib2398]

Question: How to be a *insert company name* VIP Answer: Give them a lot of money, repeatedly

[@hwyfools]

Doesn't exactly work with Ford and relationship in SoCal. I have bought nine new F-150s (contractor) over 1.5 years and was told 50k over market adjustment on the GT500. "Sorry we cant help you out". I'm happy getting zero markup on the trucks and headed elsewhere for my sportscar. Might just be a SoCal thing but good luck on your GT3 hunt.

[@MilesEakins]

Yeahhh…and I’m over here just trying to just get a 996 4S or a 997. Thanks for the tips man. 🙄

[@VINwiki]

What is your favorite Porsche?

[@whifflesnappers9346]

The one I cant afford

[@neeravreddy9360]

Carrera GT

[@_HON3Y_13_]

Too many to list on here

[@MichaelBrown-ff3go]

The 944. I used a gold and black 86 base model as a de facto landscape truck... Best time I've ever had driving a car! Getting waves and thumbs up from old men in five and six figure Porsches, then unloading my gear and driving the Blizzaks off it 🤣🤘

[@dannymac6368]

Mine. 2013 991.1 C2 with 3 pedals, sports chrono, sports exhaust, aerokit cup and Burmester audio. Also, 100k on the odometer so far. 👌🏼

[@FVPS904]

Never thought I would hear a Ford Explorer mentioned so much when talking about ordering 250,000 dollar cars

[@thatsedan_m3361]

If this guy works at MAG in Ohio never go to that dealer!! Ask anyone from Ohio about MAG. Bad experiences to every single person

[@BLProd11]

I dont work for MAG in ohio. I work for McGovern Auto Group in New England

[@thatsedan_m3361]

@@BLProd11 that’s good!

[@starkyslp16]

"Friend", "great relationship"... um no. The dealer is bending you over backwards and stealing as much money from you as they can get all while giving you the middle finger. What a joke

[@rrennnerr]

Biggest part of this is being a qualified lead that brings in other qualified leads.

[@handymadness]

If you trade your car in and take a hit, then buy another car at sticker price and take the depreciation hit on that I’m pretty sure you’re losing more than $60,000 if you just bought a used one now with 500 miles on it.

[@jean-pierred1094]

Same system with limited edition BMWs (M4 CSL and 3.0 CSL - good luck with that last one with 50 made) or most Rolex Daytona models.

[@mieshta6607]

He’s telling you the smart way to get yourself the car that will be impossible to get.

[@Marco_A_Marcano_Soto]

And That my Friends is How a Marketing Director from Porsche Bamboozled you into spending more money, simple Math. Come get something you don't want get a depreciation hit and get your car 3 years later. Every one is a winner, except YOU.

[@hockey4life4560]

That's a solid strategy to keep the cars in the enthusiast hand while moving more units.

[@jaydubya8538]

Or only selling cars to the super rich, wanna buy a$150k car. Sure 1st buy half a million in other than cars. Makes total sense

[@mg-by7uu]

It's the artificial supply shortage marketing tactic. It shows the demand for these cars isn't very high but people are being tricked into thinking the opposite since you can't get one

[@RichardFermion]

There's a hard truth in how you actually get GT Porsches at msrp (Source. I have done it several times and I have a 992 GT3RS on order at msrp) Unless your last name is Clooney or Seinfeld you're probably hosed. The easiest way IMO is not live in large affluent car markets and be prepared to wait. If you're somewhere like LA or ATL you are probably SOL without a serious dealer relationship that you have built buying other cars. This is obviously not an answer for most and quite ridiculous. The affluent large markets get most of the allocations. Most dealers won't sell out of their market either, and why would they? They make little to nothing on the sale of new cars without ADM and you're not giving them service dollars. Your likelihood of adding to their revenue is low. But if you're in one of the mid-west/less competitive markets you're probably on a list that isn't quite that long. We have a home in Toronto, Seattle, and Detroit areas. Guess where I purchase all of my GT Porsches (and other Porsches) I know it can be frustrating that these cars have become veblen goods but there's little chance of these ever becoming easy to purchase. The OEM isn't going to just pump out more cars as it's not that simple. Dealers aren't often going to just leave money on the table. And too many don't mind the ADM game or paying it.

[@gordythecreator]

Intro reference: hey Porsche, I'm one of those guys. Porsche is for collecting NOT selling.

[@jacko791]

I think I'd rather just overpay for the car I want than have to keep buying a new Cayenne every 2 years just to move myself up the list. Really annoys me that Porsche basically market the GT cars at 20-30% less than they actually cost. Then reviewers all ignore the fact that it's impossible to buy them for anywhere near the list price when comparing them to other cars

[@matthewelliott2213]

Just get the agreement in writing... This makes the dealer sound magically ethical because you're willing to wait a year or two for a car... The dealer is never ethical unless you have a binding contract.

[@awdken6]

I still don’t think this helps. For example, I’m finally in a position where in a year or two I’d be able to buy the GT3 I want. I can’t afford to keep buying other cars that I don’t want to “become a customer.” So it’s still not getting these cars into the hands of people who turkey want to own and enjoy them.

[@SGU.TF-141]

The number one reason why there are all flippers is because of manufacturers allocation. This is just another great way to get more business for them. The harder manufacturers make it to get their cars the more profitable there will be on the secondhand. If they really want to stop a end to this they just got to make more car of that model period!

[@irdestroyer]

Better bang for the buck is to buy used and wait for depreciation to hit on the resale market. Patience pays off. Buying multiple cars just to "build a relationship" is nonsense, unless you are just going to re-sell them privately and take the hit on depreciation and sales tax in hopes of getting an allocation on the car you really want, which may actually make sense financially than paying a premium if the premium is large enough, but that's a lot of work. If the manufacturers really cared about flipping they could put in anti-flipping provisions in their sales contract, but it's not about that, it's about fleecing loyal turkeys for as much as they can so they can get rid of slow moving inventory.

[@mbgmadbull1141]

as awesome as the new 911 can be, I think the best Porsche you could ever buy is the cheap Porsche. like a 944 turbo or a Boxster or a Cayman. I would be worried about the paint getting dinged up more than anything because I lived around rough parts of town most of my life, plus upstate new york winters are just plain miserable for most cars.

[@hondatuner5156]

I find that i get better results using medical grade nitrous and the supply chain is local... Any thoughts?