How to beat spammers & Taking and Stealing turns in Virtua Fighter 5 Ultimate Showdown

[@rooflemonger]

Alright I have heard your many comments in having trouble dealing with spammers in VF5 and this guide should help you with that, and a lot more! We have that, talking about taking and stealing turns, and how to use fuzzies(no they are not anything like dbfz fuzzies lol) to defeat multiple options the opponent has at the same time!

[@breaktube]

Man...this frame data stuff is really new to me. Looks like I need to take a few weeks to read up on it before playing this online.

[@JohnDoe-wl6qe]

Let's keep pushing for a VF6 and VF Collection!

[@SuperFalsehope]

I paid for the skins I don't care about just to support.

[@mikeg4490]

You can't stop the VF movement !

[@brentsta]

@@SuperFalsehope same Although akira retro looks super

[@thelastvalkyrie2015]

I don’t think they should have removed content that’s been in the game since VF5 vanilla just to re sell it. It’s gross. They should have just created new skins and monetized that, just my opinion.

[@KATtube03]

You'll be happy to know :]

[@rooflemonger]

I have been granted a review copy of GG Strive by arcsys, which means I will be able to give you guys day 1 content for strive! The plan as it stands here is tomorrow I will be covering the event they are having in japan, which should give us a roadmap and our first hint at DLC, and monday 6pm EST I can post the first proper strive videos! There is a day 1 balance patch so first few videos will be a bit more general cause I have no idea whats in the patch and I don't wanna focus on combos or something that will be outdated on day 1, gotta figure out the changes first haha.

[@Regula_joe]

Well they definitely gave the review copy to the right person. Now ofcourse you know I'll be blaming you if I dont do well in rank right? Lol

[@MrCactuar13]

Congrats, you deserve it!

[@LEGENDARY11GAMER]

rooflemonger you getting a review copy of strive by arc system works is cool. you do deserve/earned it early.

[@pfunk6945]

Spammers teach you all the ways to avoid their attacks. God bless 'em. 😀

[@ano2101]

Nice way to see it :)

[@LEGENDARY11GAMER]

rooflemonger all your VF5 videos are a masterpiece 101%. especially since i am a VF2 player from the arcade machines in the 90'S. not a player of frame data. i did learn the 1. minus 2. minus. your breakdown of it is a huge help & outstanding overall. now day as fgc fan of fgs i use frame data now.

[@Kernog]

Another very useful video. I have a lot of trouble taking my turns. What often happens is: block confirm-> I block -> he keeps blocking -> I try jabbing or a throw-> he jabs faster

[@biquiba]

so you're jabing at negative frames. Make him block a + move and you'll jab faster.

[@Deathxface]

Awesome video I’m usually a tekken Stan but vf has been super fun and I’m quite addicted

[@cylondorado4582]

Reminds me of how much I like the concept of holds in Dead or Alive. If anyone uses a move too much, you can call it out and do a counter with a universal mechanic.

[@Modelskinny]

You are a good teacher, I appreciate your content. It's helping me unpack this game.

[@waynep1782]

Needed this. Was about done with the game after training for 3 days when I first got the game and losing to a Kage or Lion

[@waynep1782]

I play Goh btw so imagine my frustration

[@lugit36]

Literally same, I even play goh

[@biquiba]

In FGs you simply don't have time to think about the theory, no matter how it is important. So you have to put yourself out there trying to apply whatever you still didn't block in your mind under the pressure.

[@biquiba]

Also...the basic rule is that mid beat lows, so IF...you you are outside of the 2p range, you don't necessarily need to get in the range of the 2p, block it and only then punish. Do your character's elbow class move (it's necessarily a mid, it must be 6p or something) and it will beat the low. Tricky_Eileen did a video on this.

[@NSFSponsor]

@@waynep1782 Imagine playing jeffry or wolf😭

[@xi0mara44]

Thank you for this vid! I always have problems with mashers online and you are right about freaking out can mess everything up.

[@jasonelbow3807]

Vanessa's while standing P in Defensive Stance is great with dealing with 2P. It staggers on ch and a crouching opponent. It's her elbow class attack in DS. You can also use 1 P. It can sabaki lows and give van frame advantage.

[@Aldana-Alone]

I was really in trouble in beginning but now i'm a lot better i really to start to enjoy the neutral of the game

[@wallakfir90]

I really love the way you explain stuff in fighting games, clear and right to the point, while also keeping it interesting and fun. I don't even play this particular game but I just like watching your videos anyway, they are almost therapeutic.

[@pbeeby]

Great tips. Great to see VF5 getting some new content on KZbin.

[@diirising7507]

Thank you for making videos like these for VF Newcomers, you are doing a great deal of service for the community. I hope the VF veterans like you and tricky starts making individual character guides as well, am seeing a lot of newbies and willing to learn gamers in youtube viewing and commenting on any VF related videos, requesting for guides on specific characters and y'know not many have the patience to visit VFDC or read stuff, as some prefer audio & visual learning. 😅 Wish VF veterans would be able to put up contents as such, think this will help develop more hype, newbies to stay longer and further appreciation in playing the game. 💜

[@tkhm]

This is a great guide. I am a beginner and when I get overwhelmed by spam, everything I know get thrown out the window. Need to calm down first.

[@nickromano3087]

Somehow, I've been playing vf for 15 years and i never knew about that fuzzy. Thanks roofle.

[@Fighter101network]

Virtua Fighter 5 is the best game ever made. I have no idea what they did to this netcode but it feels smoother than MK11, Tekken 7 and SFV combined. No delay at all, perhaps this Delay Absorb technique is a true game changer.

[@chrismdb5686]

T7 and SFV have shit netcode, so that's not really an achievement IMO. The big comparison will be made when Strive comes out with its top of the line Rollback.

[@Fighter101network]

@@chrismdb5686 Hmm nah, you think rollback is some kind of infallible netcode? guess again, it will still have laggy matches, guaranteed.

[@Fighter101network]

And it sure as hell is an achievent to have better netcode than two of the most popular games right now.

[@deco7217]

@@Fighter101network The netcode ain't THAT good. It's delay based is decent with caveat of location. But it is still unoptimal compared to games with good rollback such as Skullgirls and GGST. I had fun with VF5US, but rollback must be present if we do see a VF6 if I will ever consider getting the game. No real excuse at this point.

[@Fighter101network]

@@deco7217 It as been amazing for me. I live in Central America and I have no input delays with people in the US and Canada.

[@jasonelbow3807]

Also keep in mind. 33 G fuzzy only works when you are at the most -5 (-4 for Taka). Anything from -6 to -9 you need to just lazy throw escape or evade.

[@mrDumbum]

You can try to sidestep and cancel the sidestep into a fuzzy. On some Disadvantages it will avoid fast mids while also avoiding slow circular attacks or lows. Less effective than fuzzy but still better than doing nothing. Also, once you get to use these defensive tricks the whole "delayed attacks/throws" layer starts kicking in. If someone abuses fuzzyguard you can Just delay the throw, use a low Attack, and if you have them use a slow guardcrash or even a low throw. Fuzzy saves you only from the basic stuff, if they take more risks they can beat It easily

[@setsunagoh]

You sound happier than usual, been waiting to make content on VF weren’t you?

[@rooflemonger]

been waiting for a long time yes haha

[@Lightdead69]

You are a hero. Me and a friend have created a friendly challenge where we will get better at the game and make weekly 1v1s and flame eachother for fun. This will help a lot cause he has just been spamming kicks and I didn't know what to do xD

[@whiskeyblock100proof7]

Literally my favorite bathing is this game doesn't have a special bar

[@Ccubed92]

I played ranked and didnt realize how people are more clueless then me lol I dont really look at moves and just learn on the go and felt sorry for some of my opponents trying to spam kick or didnt know the buttons at all

[@yomiknishes6976]

Excellent guide! Thank you for spreading the good word!

[@KARS215]

Akira mains, you guys can use the following to beat 2P; 2P+K - low parry 9K, 2K+GP, 66KK - jump kick low crush combo 3P - fast mid (be careful you’re -2 on hit) 66P - mid/best option you should always be using dash elbow anyway. Happy body checking boyz 😎

[@mikeg4490]

I hope they add Yakuza characters in VF.

[@supershaq4992]

All we need is Kiryu costume for Akira and Majima costume for Brad

[@mikeg4490]

@@supershaq4992 ichiban ftw

[@rooflemonger]

maybe vf6

[@mikeg4490]

@@rooflemonger that would be the ultimate Chad move by SEGA. VF6 and yakuza characters?

[@rooflemonger]

@@mikeg4490 just mine the sega pits. Streets of Rage characters could be used too

[@SunslifeGURU]

Not only do i enjoy your videos, the ending music is just so jazzy! thanks bro!

[@doomfry3163]

As an Aoi player Aoi has a huge advantage against these button mashers because Aoi is well known for her counters, her sabaki form and her reversals. I kept on using the Sabaki parry stance mainly because they kept on spamming their high punches, kicks,and sometimes for some mids. As for the low jab punch when I see that at least three times and they kept on doing that to win I used my low down reversal on one of those spammers.

[@MrRBX]

Thank you, vids are appreciated

[@chrismdb5686]

Fantastic, really appreciate this!

[@epicon6]

I’m learning VF5 now so i’ll be ready for if/when hopefully VF6 comes out😂

[@rooflemonger]

thats a smart idea, cause it is coming

[@LordRaptor]

The funny thing is, a lot of people are afraid to get into Virtua Fighter because they think it's the hardest fighting game of all time or because they've seen the highest of level of competitive play and think everyone is supposed to play that way instantly, but the reality is, Virtua Fighter is not a complicated game, it's a simple game with a lot of depth, which in my opinion should make it easier for people to get into, not to mention, I don't think it's too difficult to master, sure it's not the easiest fighting game and some characters are a bit complicated as you progress, but there are a lot of beginner friendly characters you can choose from like Sarah, Jacky, Lion, Jeffry and even the more complicated characters like Akira or Kage can be very effective in beginner level play, on top of that, in 5 and especially Final/Ultimate Showdown it's a lot easier to combo than in previous VF games, there are quite a few easy options to launch or stun the opponent for a combo for all the characters, you just have to find the most damaging one.

[@ThatPunkYT]

I'm certainly understanding it more than a game like Tekken or SC, so thankful for the lack of comeback mechanics in VF lol.

[@LordRaptor]

@@ThatPunkYT I've been playing all three ever since I was a kid and I can tell you, not just from my own personal experience but also from the experience of friends and family who I played these games with that Virtua Fighter is generally easier to get into than Tekken, it has less mechanics, less characters, less buttons to worry about and the movement is WAY easier than Tekken, I'd say Soul Calibur is somewhere in-between, it's certainly not as difficult as Tekken, but it's a bit more complicated to learn than Virtua Fighter, the most telling thing in my opinion, is that in Tekken almost nobody I know could even touch me, in Soul Calibur it was a bit less lopsided and in Virtua Fighter some people actually stood a chance against me even though I have so much more experience than them.

[@ThatPunkYT]

@@LordRaptor all your info makes me feel I'm right in my assessment lol. I haven't touched a VF since 2 on the Saturn, and I'm finding getting back into it pretty easy, even while transitioning from 2D fighters. Managing to climb through Dan ranks somehow even though I suck lol

[@RxMxG]

This is useful, if the netcode doesn't sucks

[@bizogi9129]

Not sure why people keep asking for VF6 when they don't even know how to properly play vf5. I'd rather like them to keep updating it with new characters, stages and moves, once in a while to keep it fresh. Something like KOF 94 to 98.

[@jairosantos08]

nice vid do you have any tips to fight against taller characters like Sarah and Wolf? The reach of their kicks makes me rage quit all the time.

[@mychaeljones7526]

My defense is great it's just learning how to advanced step in time.

[@fashionforty]

Thank still download again and see what goes down

[@ttownbrown4232]

Most casuals 2p at disadvantage. Watch their tendencies after you block a string/failed move.. Make them adjust. If you sense the 2p coming after a attack/series of attacks, side step and punish. Also some characters have 2p counters/low counters/ and attack with special properties to beat out lows..

[@LordHollow]

High level Wizardy? No... Tis Sorcery!

[@GarudaLegends]

Spam them back

[@rooflemonger]

That's the high level stuff

[@GarudaLegends]

@@rooflemonger 😎

[@waterdog737]

are you sure about that? Spam is a sign that your opponent lacks general fundmentals for this or any fighting game. remind your spammy opponent that step, block, and mids exist

[@GarudaLegends]

@@waterdog737 nah. Spam them back and make them raqe quit.

[@waterdog737]

@@GarudaLegends ok the war of the spam will always lend to wins lost rate of 50/50

[@mikeg4490]

I play goh and what I like to do is back dash with ⬅️⬅️↘️P with Goh to bait a whiff, evade and set up mix ups with mids

[@mikeg4490]

@@ProjectH1980 i didn't play vanilla 5 but I use him to punish whiffs with his launchers, set up CHs, or get in with tsukami for throws

[@mikeg4490]

@@ProjectH1980 ⬇️↘️➡️P+K? It's +12 on block

[@FACEHEADD]

Great stuff 👏

[@jimdino77]

hey, can we get a Vanessa Offensive Stance guide? The defensive one was very helpful

[@Jherb5001]

Man... VF is so hot right now. Can it overshadow Strive release?!?

[@biquiba]

No way. Welp, it's hard to fight "free" but GG Strive has been hyping things up for a loong time. SEGA was too sneaky with the last minute reveal. Aaand has no PC release. Ppl might say it's cus GG has rollback netcode, but let's see when everybody is struggling to get past THAT lobby in order to get to an actual match. As it stands it just takes too much time of the gameplay.

[@rooflemonger]

haha I wish. But happy so many people are enjoying it. Gives me strong hopes for a proper VF6

[@NSFSponsor]

Don't think it needs to beat Strive, but if it holds a playerbase for a while so we can get VF6 that's a win.

[@Jherb5001]

@@NSFSponsor #facts well said!!

[@phdbot4483]

How to deal with down punch spammers: Step 1: Block down punch Step 2: Hit 'em back with your own down punch. :3

[@biquiba]

Or just straight do an elbow and it will beat the 2p as mids beat lows.

[@mrDumbum]

@@biquiba CH elbows usually leave you at +8 which means that if they keep spamming you can beat them a launcher

[@nowaylater6950]

Fuzzy guard look very easy to do.

[@לימי-ע8ט]

I was against sumo who fid strong low kicks and i didn't know what to do can you help me?

[@coreypryor7859]

For the fuzzy guard. Can you also back dash? Or it only works on forward dash?

[@rooflemonger]

has to be forward

[@SerpentsFang27]

I feel like lower jab punishes almost never come out on time.

[@alpha7_jaegar]

I drop the game after lose against that summo spamming a mid kick all the fucking match

[@setsunagoh]

Didn’t sound like a good moment to bring in TEG?

[@whiskeyblock100proof7]

Actually I have trouble with the dashing and side steps

[@AnthonyBottari]

The best is the idiots that just mash punch immediately at the start. I've even backdashed far enough away that I'm almost getting a ring out . And guess what the idiot is still mashing punch! Like I'm no where near you!! Stop that!!

[@ThatPunkYT]

Always love the videos! Here's a problem I'm encountering, people interrupting my strings (which hit) with a crouching punch. What do you think the best way to test your own strings for stuff like this is?

[@CrowsofAcheron]

That's because the string you are using has high moves. You can end your strings prematurely by pressing guard, then go for fast mids to blow them up.

[@ThatPunkYT]

@@CrowsofAcheron hey thanks for the reply! So lemme ask this, if my string is PKP, let's say high-mid-high, if the mid hits it's theoretical they can duck my high? Great tip on the guard cancelling though, I'm gonna have to try to implement that!

[@CrowsofAcheron]

@@ThatPunkYT I don't know the specific string you are talking about, because it's character-dependent. Just keep in mind that standing jab isn't supposed to give a very high reward. Not every string combos, and unless you are juggling them or have them against the wall, they will have gaps where your opponent can duck or evade. Also, keep in mind that VF is a very offense-focused game. You don't want to be blocking too much, you always want to look for a way to take your turn back, and anticipate the same in your opponents.

[@ThatPunkYT]

@@CrowsofAcheron dude great tips thank you so much. I played older virtual fighters when I was a teenager, but haven't visited the series since. I always felt like there was the underlying chance that just because a string is a string it doesn't mean it's going to always combo, you confirming that really helps me out a lot! Thank you!

[@biquiba]

@@ThatPunkYT you can check it out in the "detailed stats" (I believe it's the name) of trainning mode. Observe if the number of "hits" actually does increase. As long it's rising you're comboing. The red damage gauge over the green life bar is just giving u an idea of recent damage. If you're comboing indeed, they cannot escape or guard in any shape or form.

[@hatredforhumanity]

Also the lag is a nightmare..

[@joshuagumbs5046]

If they’re are any experienced players willing to reply tips for brad, I’d really appreciate it

[@Skuntac]

REALLY appreciate you saying "down punch" etc. Hearing 6252787 pkkgofp isn't natural to people not familiar, and even after figuring it out, still takes a second to process.

[@junomesh]

That's why ill never understand someone losing to an abare player and complaining about them and them playing that way. If they are playing abare then block then you'll have the advantage, and punish them with a floater or crushing move. It'll counter hit them and you can get a combo on them. The key to VF is mixing up abare with playing moral and seeing what works and what doesn't. Anything goes in VF imo. Nothing is cheap and nothing is off limits since there is an answer to every single move in the game. If you're losing its entirely your fault for getting hit by whatever it was. Online tactics can he cheap though but its still not impossible to beat if its a decent connection.

[@wordsshackles441]

I think I just found your little rat spammer 😂

[@sonicspeediscrazy]

Now that begs the question how you beat fuzzy guard?

[@chrislaalo3965]

Low attack, delayed input throw, or low throw. I once heard Virtua Fighter referred to as "The battle of the second best moves", because everyone gets trained in how to deal with the optimal attacks that something suboptimal has a tempo that lands. Following the math, if they fuzzy guard expecting you to either throw at 10f or hit with a mid at 14f but you instead delay throw 5f to connect with their guard at 15f then you will get them after their fuzzy is finished. They could still tech the throw, though. I'm sure there are other ways, too.

[@oz88og40]

I can't spammers in fighting games period just give a nice challenge

[@ricepony33]

I’m really disappointed with all the spamming in the ranked games.

[@kevin__7459]

I didn’t even find an opponent online. What’s the player count like?

[@chrismdb5686]

You're on the PS4/5 version right? It may just be your region, player count seems quite healthy.

[@orlanzo2621]

Wow, seriously? I've never had to wait more than a minute or so at most.

[@kevin__7459]

@@orlanzo2621 Hopefully guys, only pressed a few buttons but it looked fun (if not a teensy bit outdated) hope it lives on if it’s good

[@shaolinotter]

I don't mean to get political, but the term for this is "abare"

[@rooflemonger]

nobody but nerds know what abare means and no need to confuse new players

[@ramonantoniolli7379]

for people interested in the final topic of this video, I suggest searching for the difference of a 50/50 that is not a nitaku, and a 50/50 that is a nitaku and what are your options for both cases. The best of luck!

[@cattusstroffic1243]

Is spamming bad coz net code? Or ?

[@wordsshackles441]

Yes, net code makes spamming very effective unfortunately

[@cattusstroffic1243]

@@wordsshackles441 thanx for the 2 year reply(for me) 😆 I don't even remember what's the haps

[@wordsshackles441]

😂😅@@cattusstroffic1243

[@sjjdkxjcbejsj]

You need to just sidestep right??

[@biquiba]

It is a possibility. all 2ps are straight moves. Now, always sidestep it is not realistic. Sometimes you have to discourage them.

[@oscarmike7980]

EDC yo

[@CoolDima09]

Idk if you're playing on a stick but I can crouch dash by simply inputting 33. I think that's the "minimum" input requirement for an crouch dash to come out.

[@KVJ-w7h]

These damn hunters will be forever hunters

[@freedomfighter7488]

Can this game jump over spammers?

[@rooflemonger]

while you can jump in VF, jumping isn't exactly the answer to things like it is in mk or sf

[@freedomfighter7488]

I see what you mean since VF is different from MK or SF even SMBU. Thanks for the information.

[@rainer9931]

It would be nice if you can have the frame data display during an actual game

[@stewl6329]

That is why we have to train with each character. A lot of work but there is no other way. I lost many time against brad. I didn't know why. In training mode his combo was +15 on block. The hell! No wonder I couldn't do shit.

[@biquiba]

Ppl might say it'd be like riding a bike with support wheels but as soon as an popular FG viralises it, everybody else will follow suit.

[@rainer9931]

@@biquiba exactly. I think its even more important now that Fighting games are aiming to be more accessible, which is important in and of itself

[@justinmercado3183]

Does anyone know how to evade+fuzzy guard on a pad? The sidestep in this game has a very long animation b4 the guard comes out.

[@usnfindley]

When you evade, forward dash and guard. It'll help you guard faster. You can also crouch dash forward and guard for lows.

[@trza49er]

Oh, so you can block low attacks with a standing guard?

[@adrianb.4653]

just played a vanessa mid spam that was like on auto double mid kicks. literally couldn't do anything. games trash.

[@wordsshackles441]

The reality of the situation is that net code and input lag makes spamming way more effective than it should ever be unfortunately. Also it’s not fun to fight Cockroaches and they are everywhere.

[@FlytoZenith]

Brian F's VF career is over already

[@TheBatosai]

I do not like this game. I played Tekken but this game is to slow for me.

[@Tippotipo]

Play against a highly experienced Virtua Figher opponent and you will think twice. Many Tekken players found Virtua Fighter quicker and smooth. Maybe you will need to change your mindset.