How to Build a 400whp+ 2.7 EcoBoost!

[@twinforce_fusion6560]

(2.7 First Gen) For a +400 AWHP on a MD250 type dyno: E30/40 Tune, FMIC, 43 or 46MM Turbos, HP35 (or higher) fuel pump, 1,700cc Injectors, Down pipes with a High Flow exhaust. You can add the 65mm TB, CAIS and the mandrel bend intake tubes/charger pipes.

[@8020Media]

Twinforce- Thanks for adding your valuable insight! This would build one mean machine💪🏻

[@ram90mar99]

Damn bro thanks for making me feel stupid 😂 lol but I like it 😅. Understood some things but not everything!

[@602STS2]

​@@ram90mar99 Twin Force has been documenting and posting his step by step performance mods for several yrs now, including actual 1/4 mile drag strip videos as well. His Fusion Sport runs low 12s to high 11s. He's up in Canada and a very cool guy. 👍

[@joeinmi8671]

Psst... 2.7EB have the least amount of problems engine wise in f150s. I can't speak on the base model n/a v6 because we never see them.

[@8020Media]

Joe - That's what we've heard. We think the 2.7s are pretty underrated!

[@ML-lg4ky]

Several dozen have been pulled out at my dealership at around 120k miles they seem to puke.

[@efrainlopez1260]

💙

[@efrainlopez1260]

@@ML-lg4ky non or poor maintenance being the underlying reason??

[@ML-lg4ky]

@@efrainlopez1260 blown motor, to expensive to repair

[@johnmick9457]

Just purchased my 2024 2.7 V6 Bronco even in stock form the 2.7 is impressive.

[@8020Media]

J - Thanks for sharing your experience!

[@yfarmeaahka]

Love the video but the best first mod for stock or tuned and anything above is a nice catch can. Doesn’t add performance but definitely adds safety for the engine. Definitely more important than an intake with stock or tuned and a necessity for any other upgrades. Don’t forget the health and longevity of these engines boys!

[@8020Media]

Y - Thanks for the added insight here. Great recommendation.

[@Rottingboards]

Great videos that are full of information and you get to the point quickly. If you don't mind, I would suggest cutting to pictures of things your talking about. Thanks for these videos.

[@8020Media]

Rotting - Thanks for the suggestion. We could definitely implement that into our future videos!

[@Rottingboards]

@@8020Media You do a great job of narration and your knowledge is awesome.

[@johnmellas8503]

Great job on your narration you cut to the chase real quickly but one suggestion we would like videos on the actual products you're describing

[@Bbbbad724]

I would really like to put the port injection on the 22, since it’s still under warranty and DI. I am concerned that Ford Pass would pick it up and cancel my warranty. I wish they would retrofit it so it would be like the truck longitudinal. The transverse Edge needs all the help you can give it. It’s tight in there. The Start/Stop is really stupid and I wish I could could turn it off permanently, I am blind and I remind my wife to turn it off, hoping that keeping oil circulation will minimize coking up. The last thing you need is to keep shutting the oil circulation off every time you stop., Iwish it was like a diesel with a run on timer to keep it running until the temp is stable enough to shut it off.

[@denispasenkov9538]

Wow, just published my fav 2.7 engine video 😊

[@8020Media]

Denis - We appreciate the support!

[@seanmclaughlin7415]

Issue or might be an issue is the 2nd gen 2.7 is they changed the oil pump from chain to a belt. This belt degrades and cracks possibly releasing chunks of rubber. Also, an expensive replacement.

[@8020Media]

Sean - Thanks for the added insight!

[@cthetexasking2672]

I found this video trying to see if anybody makes a chain conversation for them yet.

[@OnePointLander]

Yeap, I rather have a 1st gen with the leaky oil pan and repair that and to add a catch can than to deal with the new timing belt.

[@Sp3rmWizrd]

So many cars have used similar belts and they work

[@seanmclaughlin7415]

@@Sp3rmWizrd The topic is the 2.7L. Also the GM duramax 3.0 also has this issue. Would much rather have a chain than a belt. Very big jobs to replace. Very costly.

[@tmiller249]

1st generation was also direct injection bud. 2nd generation added a low pressure fuel rail to spray the back of the pistons and start stop tech.

[@8020Media]

T - Thanks for adding this insight.

[@OnePointLander]

My 1st Gen has the auto start but wish it didn't 😅

[@ekkas1]

Any reason why not to take off the downpipes, remove the interior out of the cats and put back on? This gives the high flow but passes any visual inspection. I’ve done it on older vehicles but maybe new ones are more finicky? Informative vid, Cheers.

[@8020Media]

E - I suppose you could. However, it likely wouldn't pass a sniff test.

[@nimrodrebirth7703]

My neighbor son is a Ford manager he swears by the 2.7 Ecoboost ,& my neighbor around the corner has driven his to Canada 8 times to visit family no breakdowns Awesome truck with the 2.7 Ec0

[@8020Media]

N - It certainly can be a great engine! All depends on maintenance.

[@kennethelliott5985]

The 3.3L NA V6 is hot garbage

[@8020Media]

K - what

[@miguelgonzalezsamon3144]

Very informative!

[@8020Media]

M - Thanks for the feedback! Hope it helped.

[@blackericdenice]

The intake does not need to be upgraded. The 3.5 ecoboost make 450 hp and use the same filter as the 2.7. 6:15 if you are not upgrading turbos. The down pipe does not need to be changed. The stock cats are not restricting hp.

[@8020Media]

Do either of them NEED to be upgraded? No, they can support basic tunes and bolt-ons, but that doesn't mean that there isn't a performance benefit to upgrading them. Improved airflow (both intake and exhaust) improves turbo efficiency so you will see power gains from upgrading them + get a more freely spinning turbo so faster spool and less lag. We would at least run an intake with a tune to feed the turbo some additional air and reduce the amount of stress put on it.

[@YtRando69]

​@@8020Media the oem intake with a Aem drop in can support 500 whp.

[@seacradev5400]

Yes changing the Dps are a game changer, in my SHO, you get faster spool and gain 20awhp. And he is correct on the intake. Factory is designed for factor numbers, when pushing twice the HP than stock you need the air. And charge pipes are a must, sometimes just a tune can crack OEM charge pipes.

[@blackericdenice]

When I want faster turbo spool. I put my truck in sport mode.@@8020Media

[@blackericdenice]

@@seacradev5400 Not one automotive video on your channel. You claim to have a sho. You have probably never driven an ecoboost before in your life. If you want 20 awhp. Turn up the boost.

[@GBAL42022]

HMM wonder could you Boost the RWHP on a 2019 Lincoln Nautilus it comes with a 2.7 Ecoboost engine and it`s AWD could surprise someone @ a stop light

[@8020Media]

GB - You probably could. It may be tough finding aftermarket parts for it however. Wouldn’t think that’s a very popular vehicle to mod.

[@GBAL42022]

@@8020Media Thats why it would be a surprise when someone gets smoked by a Lincoln !!

[@8020Media]

That would be a pretty funny sight to see!

[@davidellette4992]

I'm looking to swap and engine into a car, sine this is a truck motor, is it performance wise viable for a car?

[@8020Media]

D - This is certainly strong enough for a car. What build are you going for?

[@davidellette4992]

@@8020Media - I'd like to build up a 2.7L v6 engine, about 500hp, my daily driver is a Focus RS, but this engine would go into a Merkur XR4TI, similar to a fox body Mustang, with the stock motor, 2.3L 4, it weighs about 2900lbs, looking at putting a manual 6 speed trans, really concerned with truck motor in a car...LOL...I won't be towing anything

[@8020Media]

D - It will be fine, just a matter of fitment.

[@davegordon6943]

​@@davidellette4992it'll probably haul ass. Even in the F-150 it rips

[@YtRando69]

You can run Full E85 on the 2nd gen... Most tuners make 460+ whp on E85 alone.

[@8020Media]

Travis - This is correct.

[@YtRando69]

@@8020Media I know, that's why I said it 😝

[@Bbbbad724]

@@8020Media Are the 2022 Edge ST ( transverse engine) 2.7 Ecoboost 2 nd gen and have the direct and port injection? I was under the impression that they were like the 1st Generation or even were 1st generation?

[@Angry-Little-Fish]

I have a stock 2015 2.7l 325hp what do I need to hit 500hp just to beat the raptors

[@8020Media]

Rex - It depends. How big is your budget?

[@justin5345]

Just a tune you should be able to be a raptor lol .

[@Angry-Little-Fish]

@@8020Media 3K and I was going to buy a bigger turbo for sure and a k&n air filter with a tuner and methane injection or something like that

[@davegordon6943]

​​@@Angry-Little-Fishhave you finished your upgrade? How's it running

[@Angry-Little-Fish]

@davegordon6943 I dumped the motor and put a coyote gen 1 block with gen 2 heads since I maxed out my engine at 600hp with a tune and bolt ons also with a ported head

[@Bbbbad724]

What about the 2022 Edge ST running 91-93 octane. Is there an open air filter or an improved air system. Also is the Edge engine a 1st generation or does it just not have manifold injection?

[@surrealinabox5220]

It'd be a second gen due to your predecessor: 2015-2018 Ford Edge Sport which had the 2.7 AND the Ford Fusion Sport that had the 2.7EB as well. I had a good time with my 2018 Edge with supporting mods BUT not a lot of support behind that platform besides the F150 and the Fusion. Unleashed Tuning is a good start on their site. FMIC, Colder Spark Plugs, Colder Thermostat, Tune, and Rear Motor Mount along with a drop in filter and rear muffler delete had me around give or take near 400HP. I miss my edge sport. :/

[@surrealinabox5220]

Also, I believe Steeda, AFE makes a open element CAI system for the Edge ST. Like I said, Unleashed Tuning did my 2018 Ford Edge Sport with tune and sent me my parts. Just remember: Maintenance, Maintenance, Maintenance. Do your maintenance slightly ahead of time to avoid some hiccups. One last thing, I had a JLT 3.0 Oil Separator as well since 45k miles, was done with it at around 110k miles and wasn't disappointed. Happy shopping. 👊🤙

[@Bbbbad724]

Thank you!

[@Bbbbad724]

What kind of tune is available that won’t violate the warranty, using Phillips 66 Pump Premium. I don’t want to be on the ragged edge but 350 hp 400 ft lbs would be just enough, the 2022 ST Edge is a good sporty vehicle. It weighs about what a 60s- 70s midsize does, handles amazingly and with 350 hp 400 ft lbs is like a small block Malibu. Amazing for such a small and durable engine. The rpm range is great too , 2200-5500 with a rising boost curve. The engine and transmission are great. The engine is really good. It is a 2nd generation engine? Trying to find details are really vague on the FWD/ AWD, ours is transverse AWD, and I thought it was 2nd generation but the information leads me to believe that the transverse cars kept the 1st generation. Can you tell me for sure? Thanks a lot

[@JoshStout-wf3ry]

​@surrealinabox5220 me too totaled my black 16 sport with 21s 130k ran flawless had my 22 edge st love it 2 but the sports with 21s sexy and quick

[@fullspeedfordbronco]

Nice video! Evidently the K&N and Injen CAI intakes for the 2.7L in the Bronco can add 17-25 WHP. Seems the intake is much worse compared to the F150.

[@8020Media]

K&N and Injen might be the biggest names in the industry, but in my opinion they don't produce the best products. With that being said, their advertised power gains are always bs too. They always advertise ridiculous power gains. The power gains on a Bronco are going to be about the same, there aren't any material differences between the two intake systems.

[@fullspeedfordbronco]

@@8020Media I can’t speak for the Injen because it hasn’t been tested by a 3rd party, but there are a few K&N intake videos on the Bronco 2.7. The one that comes to mind is International Dyno. They show the K&N makes 16 whp on its own. The left side of the stock intake has a odd twist in the hose and severely limits air.

[@8020Media]

Interesting, I honestly hadn't looked into it - just know from experience and such that their numbers are usually BS. I'll give it a read and see.

[@lnikitaides]

Looking at getting a tune and CAI for my 2.7L Bronco. Are there any CAI besides K&N or Injen that you do recommend? @@8020Media

[@herbalistag]

Hey, great videos, keep um coming. Have a question. I have a 2019 Ranger XLT. Its the 2.2 TDCI engine and MT92 "i think" 6speed manual 4x4. I was thinking of swapping in the 3.5 Ecoboost, but the engine itself and parts arn't available where i live which makes things get expensive. Question is, is the 3.5 Ecoboost the best engine to choose. Looking for a reliable 500whp. If i can use the gearbox i have that will save $. Thanks!

[@dracodrake45]

I'll go with the 2.7 ecoboost for the best bang for the buck plus in theory you should be able to get engine mounts from the bronco 2.7 to fit

[@woodmaster4eva]

You can get a 5.0 L coyote with about 50,000 miles on it, (all broke in) with powertrain 10-speed trams 4x4 for about 3 to 3500 $ I just ordered one for my 2013 Platinum f150 the old one went at 225,300 and it was ignorantly abused by a young man that showed no mercy lol

[@herbalistag]

@@woodmaster4eva for $3500 eng and trans im assuming I’ll have to rebuild them. But may be better. Where will I find such a deal ?

[@pooh4519]

Which Gen 2.7 would you expect to find in a 2021 Edge ST and will it have port injection? Thanks.

[@8020Media]

Pooh - Should be a gen 2 and it should have a dual injection system (direct injection and port injection).

[@pooh4519]

@@8020Media Thank you so much.

[@Distractedev]

@@8020Media Unfortunately all Edge ST are Gen 1

[@agents977]

Unfortunately none of our ST’s have port injection

[@jamieearl6611]

Zach......thank You !

[@8020Media]

Jamie - Thanks for the feedback, hope it helped!

[@darrells1806]

How does the 8 speed trans hold up long term with the HP increases? No one really knows. I heard the torque converters were troublesome and some of these 8 speed transmissions.

[@8020Media]

D - Don't hold up as well as others.

[@michaelmeza5948]

Ford F150 XL 2.7 turbo getting poor gas mileage clean my sensors gas mileage went from 2829 miles a gallon to 10 to 11 I can’t figure it out OBD meters show nothing can you help me

[@8020Media]

M - What sensors did you clean? This sounds a little extreme.

[@HowTeq]

Is this the same engine thats going in thr new 24 ranger xlt and lariat?

[@8020Media]

H - It's likely an updated 2.7, but yes.

[@anthonys7534]

Gen 2 2.7 still has vacuum actuated waste gates, my 2019 does anyway. I’ve heard this before,it always confuses me

[@8020Media]

Thank you for the comment! You're right - I was getting the 2nd gen 3.5 and 2.7 EcoBoost confused. The 2.7L engine did switch to EWG but for whatever reason the change didn't happen immediately on the 2nd gen engine. I believe it was 2021 F-150 models that moved to EWG and I know the Bronco 2.7 EcoBoost is EWG.

[@anthonys7534]

@@8020Media Thanks for the info, wasn't quite sure what the deal was with that

[@justinfry7406]

What is that? I have a 2019 F150 with the 2.7. I love this engine btw.

[@tevinkolve6136]

Anyone know where to find injectors for 2.7, only thing is i found 2000cc but i don’t want that big. I’d like to sit around 850-1000cc. If someone could help. Would be much appreciated

[@8020Media]

T - May have to check the dealer.

[@skoffco]

What generation engine is on the 2020 Ford Edge 2.7 ST?

[@8020Media]

S - That'll be the first gen. We have a great article on the 2.7 on our website: tuningpro.co/ultimate-2-7-ecoboost-engine-guide/

[@darrells1806]

@@8020Media great information. What is your feeling on a catch can for the first gen Eco Boost? We have a 2020 Edge ST with 28,000 miles.

[@8020Media]

D - Catch cans are very useful.

[@BMWE90HQ]

Is anyone making an EGR delete for the second gen engine?

[@andrewstarkey9329]

Just noticed you’re shirt steamboat springs back in 2017 and I got to ride the mountain trails on a bike that was probably the most fun I’ve had on two wheels

[@8020Media]

Andrew - Always a blast up there! Some of us have been in Colorado for over 10 years now.

[@843cuh9]

Any idea how much a fbo 15 2.7 would make ?

[@8020Media]

It's always hard to give exact numbers since there are so many factors like conditions, dyno, engine/turbo health, tuning, etc. However - as a rough ballpark - a full bolt-on 2015 2.7L EcoBoost will likely make about 360-380whp and 400-430wtq on standard 91/93 octane pump fuels. If you run a small E85 blend (like E30) then you'll likely land somewhere around 380-410whp and 425-450wtq.

[@michaelmeza5948]

2017 Ford F150 2.7 I was getting 28. The best I got was 30 miles per gallon now it’s only getting 15. I wanna know why if you can help me. I appreciate it thank you very much.

[@8020Media]

M - That's not great.. Are you getting any engine codes?

[@stevenn4393]

My shop sees 2.7 failures because lack of oil changes &/or a hot tune. The less u modify this engine the longer it will last. Also I would change oil before 5k miles. Oil already getting black at 3k miles, which would be the perfect time to change. Dont go by the oil life monitoring system, u will destroy your motor. We dont see any 2.7’s where a person avoids the 2 above issues.

[@8020Media]

S - Well said! Thanks for sharing.

[@seacradev5400]

Technically the DPs will pass with the right manufacturer. PPE DPs pass emissions. And quicker spool, plus 20+hp gain.

[@8020Media]

Sea - Thanks for this insight.

[@seacradev5400]

@@8020Media Only issue is catless, tuners will not go near them anymore. EPA will come after them. My tuner let me know before I bought my DPs that if they were catless he would not tune my car. Plus the HP gains over catless is negligible, and the smell from the exhaust from catless, well it stinks.

[@jd-it4on]

How much does fuel economy suffer ? Would be nice to get stock 3.5 numbers but keep fuel mileage around the same.

[@8020Media]

This is really going to depend on what tune you are running. Intake, downpipes, etc. aren't going to have too much of an impact on gas mileage but if you run an aggressive tune 100% of the time then I'd assume you might lose 2-4mpg depending on how you drive and accelerate off the line. But you can adjust tunes depending on what you're doing - keep it on an economy/mpg tune for daily driving, put on the performance tune when you're towing, want more power, etc.

[@ghostdragon6695]

in my county they only do safety inspection

[@8020Media]

G - You're lucky!

[@thomastominello7864]

Same we have no emissions in my county but I'd imagine it would make it harder to sell if it had no cat on it thats my dilemma

[@PjDj216]

I have a 2020 2.7 10 speed I’ve been wanting to get a tuning kit but i don’t wanna blow up my truck 🤣

[@8020Media]

P - You won't blow up your truck. Typically there are different levels of tunes. You can just go with a modest tune if that would make you feel more comfortable.

[@kurtgreen1040]

I live in Michigan you don’t need speed or power you just need a suspension for off road because our roads are terrible

[@8020Media]

Haha, same for here in Denver!

[@phonicbeast302]

People keep saying the 2.7 underrated and most reliable. I must have got a bad apple because mine has gave me the dumbest problem's.

[@8020Media]

P - Sorry to hear. We think the 2.7 is certainly better than 3.5.

[@roofingtips]

What the best way to get the turbo sound out of a Bronco without making it sound like a fart can?

[@8020Media]

R - BOV

[@gladegoodrich2297]

Why would I want to screw up a great engine by messing with it. Stock engine gets great gas mileage and has more than enough power.

[@8020Media]

Glade - It all depends on the vehicle owners wants and demands. If you don’t want to add more power, no harm, no foul. It certainly will be more reliable when not tinkering with the engine.

[@seacradev5400]

Fun, that's why. We guys always want more. I have a SHO. Modded for two years. Now 650awhp. Still drives like a grocery getter, mash the peddle and I'm leaving hellcat drivers wondering what just happened.

[@zep3308ify]

My truck is full bolt on, and I get around 28 mpg highway now versus 22-23 when I bought it

[@jackhawez10]

​@zep3308ify thats impressive.

[@macfig6017]

I worked at a cord dealer. Mechanics say the timing chain on the 2.7 is so long, it stretches prematurely. They claim the 3.5 is better.

[@8020Media]

M - Thanks for taking the time to share this insight.

[@darrenyoung4893]

i think you have that reversed

[@JausTine]

​@@darrenyoung4893yeah I own a 2.7 Edge and have a retired Ford master mechanic in my family, he won't let me buy a 3.5 specifically because of the timing chain. Plus everywhere you look online says the 2.7 doesn't have a problem, and the 3.5 is a guaranteed timing chain failure every 100k+ miles.

[@RayTuttle-of5qd]

And will blow up within a long weekend

[@8020Media]

R - What?

[@garys9718]

Nothing for the edge st 😏

[@8020Media]

Gary - Unfortunately there aren't very many options out there because Edge ST's aren't usually modded out. However, what info are you looking for and we can do our best to provide answers for you!

[@garys9718]

@8020 Media intercooler, definitely a good recommendation for a tune, I'm possibly interested in Livernoise tune out of Michigan

[@turtleman1947]

Same Gary. I've been trying to look for parts for my Lincoln MKX but it's even harder than the Edge ST. All I found was an aftermarket BOV and a tune from livernois, and I'm pretty much capped. I did find something on the edge forums and someone complied a complete list of mods like intercooler, springs, upgraded thermostats, etc. But it's too close because it is a list for 1st gen and 2nd gen 2.7

[@davemerkle5932]

Not having a downpipe option for the Edge ST has been driving me nuts...

[@seacradev5400]

​@@garys9718Old thread, please stay away from Livernois. You have options, Gearhead, Stage 3, Ortiz. I'm in the SHO community, Livernois is not used by anyone but newbies. I mentioned to another guy on here, your 2.7 is like my 3.5 was in my SHO, the internals are cheap. The 2.7 transverse failure will start at under 400whp and 450wtq. Only way to get alot of power is to have the engine built. Average is 10-$14,000 to do a good build on a engine. The F-150 2.7 internals can handle the power.

[@boredgamer1149]

Aren't these engines breaking on their own

[@8020Media]

B - I mean, not really.. All kind of depends on maintenance.

[@anthonyhales4192]

no?

[@boredgamer1149]

@@anthonyhales4192 I got a Ecoboost I got off caravans 80k miles they paid for a new engine. Then I hear it's common for these engines to crack and burn coolant. they are there 3rd fix for engine version. But I have the 2L I guess probably not as good as the 3l for durablility

[@boredgamer1149]

@@anthonyhales4192 so getting your engine more HP will make it last just as long ?

[@kalebmcdaniel9147]

The 2.7 is way more durable than he 3.5

[@jeremycameron9389]

So much unnecessary words spoken . You could have made this video in 2 minutes.

[@8020Media]

Sorry Jeremy - We make these videos for every skill level, therefore, we elaborate a lot more. If you want to skip to what you're looking for, that's why we put chapters in the description.

[@joumasepoes88]

Torque is measured in foot pounds not pound feet.

[@8020Media]

J - Thanks

[@freerepublicusa2064]

You are incorrect @joumadepoes88. Torque is measured in "pound-feet" (lb-ft), which means it's expressed as a force in pounds multiplied by a distance in feet, so the correct answer is lbs feet; "foot pounds" refers to a different unit of measurement, typically used for energy, not torque.

[@freerepublicusa2064]

@@8020Mediayou are correct. It is “pound-foot of torque”. Not “foot-pound”.

[@joumasepoes88]

@ cool that’s good to know considering EVERY SINGLE MEASUREMENT IF TORQUE since the beginning of mechanical knowledge up until the last few years was wrong. I’d better go have all my torque wrenches ground smooth and inscribed to reflect a whole new way. Must be the most annoying Mandela effect ever.

[@joumasepoes88]

@@freerepublicusa2064 regardless always remember jou mase poes

[@DaveqAnderson]

Everything you said is wrong

[@8020Media]

D - Is that so? Please explain, we'd love to hear.

[@thetruejay20]

How much can the Fusion sports transmission handle?

[@8020Media]

TrueJay - We've seen many hit the 425 wtq mark on stock transmissions. But this also depends on what year the Sport is.

[@Potts22bc4l]

@@8020Media2017 Fusion Sport?

[@seacradev5400]

As a SHO owner we share the same transmission the 6F55, 550awtq to some in the industry is Max before failure. I'm at 640 awtq and have been for two years and 20,00 miles. My engine is built, tranny is stock. I change 6 quarts out every 10,000 miles i use 33% ULV , the fluid for the 10 speed, it's thinner, allows more transfer with such higher torque and power. Unfortunately Fusion sports like the SHOs 3.5 do not use the same internals as in the F-150. The 2.7 in Traverse form is maxed at under 400hp and 450-475tq before failure. If you plan to do major upgrades, like me you will have no choice but to have the engine built.