HOW TO CHANGE MANUAL TRANSMISSION FLUID!

[@stoneee1234]

Great to see everythingdiy always seem to get correct parts, I have seen way too much people using the "wrong" fluid in their gen2 MS3 transmissions as people don't really realize there are quite a number of differences between the two gens. And in case anyone is still wondering, the service manuals clearly states: Gen1 transmission: 75W90 GL-4 or GL-5 Gen2 transmission: 75W80 GL-4 Although the transmissions are fairly similar, I am sure Mazda must have figured out good reasons to switch viscosity, might have something to do with the revamped ratios or other improvements. Sure using the "wrong" oil won't break it, but viewing that most people who put in 75W90 all stated "it shifts more difficult when trans is cold" but then goes on to say "but it works great when warm", I would greatly suspect they are adding unnecessary wear and tear during daily driving as well as lowering their fuel economy in the long run. My guess would be 75w90 may be fit for the gen2s under more extreme circumstances, such as track use where the cars are properly warmed up first then driven hard. But daily driving our gen2s 75W80 is likely way more balanced, and I am pretty positive that a lot of people rip on their cars before having it fully warmed up, smoking turbos, transmission problems on low mileage cars? Don't seem right to me, there are people well over 100k miles with non of those problems, and there can't be that many lemons, just goes to prove proper driving technique and maintenance does matter.

[@boostedsolutions2936]

so true

[@robertbritt3129]

132k miles on my 2011 I just got injectors done carbon cleaning and blasting basically everything you can do maintenance wise and replaced alot of stuff. The engine transmission and turbo however are still stock and doing just fine. I'm even going to rely on my stock turbo for what I imagine will be quite some time to come. So ya trans put at 20k, turbos out at 35k, c'mon guys its not the car. In the words of the great scotty kilmer "Hahaha"

[@Yo_AB_Breaks]

Her and Chris Fix have saved me so much money. Her vids have the added bonus of working on the car I own. I hope she comes back. Simple, effective videos.

[@Phil-D83]

remove the fill plug first. if you cannot get it off and you took off the drain bolt first, you won't be able to refill it. time for a tow to the shop if that happens

[@Anthony_in_Bloomington_Indiana]

Woo hoo! Now you are thinking ahead! Thank you for the tip, Philip. My car is a 2001 Chevy Prizm. It the drain plug would get stuck on any transmission, it would be my transmission.

[@HotNoob]

i almost ran into this problem before... fill plug was completely stripped by the owner(s) before me... was a sad day :P

[@traitoR142]

Same thing if you are changing oil in a differential.

[@peterboy1438]

Excellent video, thank you Everythingdiy and to all for helpful comments. My car, a 2010 Mazda3 i (2.0 engine) w 65,000 mi. was developing an intermittent "chirp" when shifted from 1st to 2nd. I suspected bad syncro operation and hoped this might be old-broken-down-lubrication related. My research led me here, and I followed some of the procedure in this video to replace my original spec 3 qt. GL 5 semi-synthetic transaxle fluid w. Redline GL4 MTL 90. Its been a few days now and no "chirps" so far. Also the shifter does seem to move from gear to gear more smoothly and w less resistance. On my car the airbox removal looked difficult so I chose to work from underneath the vehicle. Bottom splash-guard removal was NOT necessary. The transaxle drain plug was situated aproximately 4" aft from the back lip of the splash-guard, so there was plenty of clearance for the fluid to drain. The fill plug - which I loosened a bit first - is on the driver's side of the transaxle, as similar to in this video, and it could easily be accessed from the side after removal of the plastic side splash-guard panel which connects from inside the wheel well ( 2x 10 mm bolts and one phillips screw) to the side of the bottom splash guard (2x 10 mm bolts). I used a Kobalt 1/2" drive 24mm 12pt socket on the fill and removal plugs w no problems. I used a Plews 55001 Lubrimatic Fluid Pump ($7.12 at Amazon) to pump the fluid into the transaxle w no problems, having pre-warmed the fluid by letting it sit in the sun. The whole procedure took a couple of hours. My car definitely shifts better and I would recommend doing this to others as being well worth the time and money. Snick, snick, snick... find those apexes - and NEVER go automatic!!

[@joet4806]

Great Video! You showed just how easy it is to so this work. Just a few comments: Best to open up the Fill port first to make certain it can be opened before draining fluid all out. Best to replace the crush washers. Thank you!

[@focusedzx3]

just a comment. you should always remove the fill plug first, that way if the fill plug is having issues coming out you aren't stuck with an empty transmission and have to call a tow truck to bring it to a shop

[@jacobkiser3317]

mike guffei or just have a torque wrench and it a cheater bar for a greater fulcrum point. If your bolt is stuck then it was probably torqued to tight. Which means you need to re-dye the threads and buy a bigger bolt. If you have the room it's cheaper.

[@PapodeArmas]

EXACTLY !!! also always have a small pipe to use in conjunction with your ratchet if you need more torque =) great video thou!

[@acefirmeza3930]

Every guy want a woman like you. So gentle personalty, thanks for the videos

[@MechRider89]

love how you keep dropping the plugs, very amusing haha

[@joeddamage1]

Glad to see you still have your celestial blue MS3. I just got one a couple of weeks ago. Very fun cars :)

[@fifteenbyfive]

Another suggestion is to always break loose the fill plug before removing the drain plug in this operation. Getting stuck with an empty tranny and no way to fill it back up right is NOT fun.

[@simplyceem4145]

With this little tip you are never stuck with an empty transmission - simply flip the car on it's roof (make sure you set it down onto something soft like a towel to avoid scratching the roof) and fill her back up. Please also remember that the engine oil, fuel, and brake fluid (if you have a ventilated reservoir cap) should be removed prior to flipping the car in order to avoid leakages and cylinders full of engine oil. You're welcome!

[@fifteenbyfive]

Simply Ceem lol just put the car up on the rotisserie, right. :D In all seriousness though, it depends on where we come from I suppose. I'm cracking 4-pt male and female plugs loose that haven't been touched since Tokyo over 40 years ago. I read horror stories on forums of people destroying their plugs trying to get them off because in that length of time - they're seized. I needed to use healthy doses of PB blaster and a 24" crescent wrench to even budge the male-fill plugs on my first fluid change. I had to use both arms too, now I'm a little guy but I'm ripped. The female drain plugs needed high heat from the torch even with a breaker bar, especially because the factory used thread sealant on them! It's just a principle I'd now use for any car: Crack the fill plug first and cover your ass. If anyone has any reason why this is a bad idea, what is it?

[@simplyceem4145]

Certainly not a bad idea at all, I'd run with that. Just be careful heating the boxes though, those magnesium alloy castings don't like localised heat too much and can easily fracture from the expansion of a hot spot :S

[@Perisicdarian]

male sure u open the fill plug first

[@mushieslushie]

Wow this is probably the single maintenance task that is much easier to do on a Subaru. Drain, Fill, Done. No removing intakes etc.

[@sealion16]

+mushieslushie Removing the intake takes literally 30 seconds.

[@everythingdiy]

+Lu Ngu Yup both stock and aftermarket intakes are very simple and quick to remove.

[@eXtenSior]

+everythingdiy I could argue with that... I have an Alfa Romeo 156. I took me half a hour to take it apart and one more hout to put it back. It had a crack on the intake valve, so i had to take it apart complately. Oh, and it was stock.

[@Toastmaster_5000]

+mushieslushie True, though oil changes on modern Subarus is stupidly easy too. The filter is one of the first things you see when you open the hood.

[@anythingacoustic1]

+eXtenSior Fairly certain she was referring strictly to the Mazdaspeed 3 lol

[@holybatfart]

This video is just what I needed! My car has about 28k miles and is due for new mtf. Might as well save a couple hundred bucks and do it myself. Thanks!

[@everythingdiy]

Yes!!

[@buckaroobonsi555]

I love MTL! All of Redlines products are top notch! Obviously if your doing this every 20K and this is not your first time it prob. does not matter that said I always break the fill plug lose before the drain plug!! Why? I once had a drain plug removed and could not break the fill plug lose to save my life. I had to have a friend pick me up so I could drive home and get a breaker bar, penetrating oil and some heat. I was 1.5 hours from home so not at all convenient! LOL I have never had that happen before or since but it only takes once to make your day right!

[@SlowCarsFastSFV]

Thank you for the video. I wish I had watched it before attempting this myself. I had all 4 corners on jack stands... your method looks easier. I also use RedLine MTL in my 2018 Mazda 3. Great stuff!

[@AspectOfTheStorm]

Best video I've seen yet on this. Thanks

[@jacobkiser3317]

I just wanted to watch the because I haven't ever seen a woman do this, it's really cool and for some reason attractive. Thank you for uploading. You did a excellent Job showing this process. The full hike is open so you can't over fill that was smart. Most people wouldn't think you do that.

[@cooldude2245]

My niece asked me to help her with her car and I asked her to jack lift the car. She moved the lever 2 times and after she couldn't. It was funny that her feet was dangling off the floor.

[@CooperflyTNT]

excellent video...simple and easy to understand steps great job!

[@robertbritt3129]

My guy recommended torco RTF race transmission fluid not the mtf, but the rtf. It suggests use in applications requiring 75w90 or 75w80. I have 132k miles on my speed I purchased it second hand and its probably never been changed. So 1st change at 132k using torco rtf and I will let you all know how it goes. It says you can use as a 10w-40 motor oil but it's 30 dollars a quart so its fairly expensive but of course worth it in the trans especially since its changed at such large intervals. A 200$ oil change every 5000 would get real old real fast I can imagine unless you own a $80,000+ vehicle hahaha.

[@JohnDoe-gm5qr]

In my driveway the gravel is an inch or two down below the garage opening. That leaves just enough room to get under the car for oil changes if I bring it forward so the front wheels are maybe 2 inches from the garage opening. This way I don't have to jack it up to get under it for changing oil and I can even do my transmission fluid that way too. My car is a 2006 Jetta 2.5. I have already done my transmission fluid once that way and it still runs 30,000 miles later so that doesn't seem to have hurt anything. I don't check the fluid the way they say, I just put in about 3.5 liters which is what drains out of my car and others have said in the forums that they have also drained 3.5 liters so that seems to be how much to put in.

[@setonas23]

I did mine year ago and i used Redline MT 90 Synthetic and must say transmission loves it :)

[@Cpxyongx]

Just double checking, its not necessary to have the car jacked on all 4 points right? I heard the car has to be either lifted or jacked up evenly

[@alexc.7449]

Awesome video & step by step instructions, thank you for your help :)

[@pbboeye1012]

24mm socket.. Crack open the fill plug first, then loosely tighten. Open and pull out the drain plug, then once the flow is controlled, take out the fill plug (same principle used for draining the oil from your engine - eliminate any vacuum).

[@jorgeh8719]

Great video, I just ordered the same fluid you are using on this video for your speed3. Can you please tell me what size are the sockets I need to use to remove the drain and fill bolts?

[@waltervila33]

Alright little missy you’re every guy’s fantasy. A girl who actually knows how to turn wrenches your father should be proud

[@H76Pro]

Manual transmission fluid change is easier that automatic!

[@elintra]

Very clear and detailed

[@Isotope1213]

I have a Mazda 3 MT. did you put the stands on the pinch well or on the piece of metal that's right next to the pinch weld?

[@ThugNificenification]

Great video!! You were very clear on everything you did which was very helpful, keep up the good work!! (P.s. It would be nice if you had some nice music playing in the background.)

[@everythingdiy]

Thanks!

[@Adam-nr2cz]

Just in the middle of doing this myself =) thanks for the tutorial. You don't have to take the skid plate off though, as the fill bolt can be undone from above and the drain bolt from below.

[@everythingdiy]

Sweet! Glad we could help! We just removed the skid plate for more room, it gets kind of cramped with it on.

[@jass355]

+everythingdiy u r sexy

[@jjsbaybe]

What size is that drain plug? If you don't mind me asking.

[@jogirob3931]

Jefferson coloma 24mm

[@jjsbaybe]

jogirob thanks but I did awhile ago :)

[@JohnDoe-gm5qr]

With these bottles not having a transparent strip, I would go to the dollar tree and get a cheap measuring cup. Premeasuring the fluid in a clean bottle with the strip is another option. Just make sure it is clean or even better yet a bottle that had a compatible fluid in it so that small traces of the other fluid won't do anything noticeable.

[@07XJuvi]

Do you torque the fill plug to 30 foot pounds as well? I assume it's the same torque for both gen 1 and 2? Thanks in Advance.

[@badranger2004]

Just a little tip, remove the fill plug first, then the drain plug, because what's the point in having the fluid drained if you can't get the fill plug out, and that's also the procedure in most service manuals

[@Victic005]

I generally fill at about 90k miles interval. I believe you can pump oil from the bottom to save you a step of removing the air filter, SRI. You can auto crossed with the MS3? It's FWD. How do you do that?

[@jogirob3931]

Quang Lam Very carefully haha. Neon SRT4 have the same problem.

[@gordonparapat]

Thank you for the information...

[@stevezguitarplayer]

Great tutorial, thank you!

[@xiaoyu88]

thanks. how do you know how much to torque the bolts back in?

[@kingfuzzybunny]

Can you guys do a transmission and passenger motor mount please.(JBR)

[@smier0188]

Great video and really helpfull.

[@MattyT_86]

Always worth wearing gloves - the additives etc can be a bit nasty! When tightening, is there a specific torque value to tighten to?

[@musubigaming397]

Hi.. I got 1 question only. is it sure that we dont have a filter fluid from our transmission.. we have the same car and I need to change my transmission fluid ASAP.. please?:) tnx..

[@felixdada4416]

Is there and crush washer on the drain and fill plug and if yes , which size is it ?

[@GotMidNite]

Great Video I just got a sp33d6 and also need to see how the tranny seals are put in. I think its called pivot shaft seal. If anyone knows a link for I can research this it would be a great help. That Mazda engine bay super clean!

[@emdae921]

quick tip, always make sure you undo your refill plug first. if you find you can't undo it after draining then your buggered.

[@modi-astron2121]

Hello , can i use same this oil for my mustang gt 5.0 2012 M6 MT82 ? The gear has noise when i drive so whats your opinion ? Thanks

[@Destroierify]

Did you place both your jack stands on the pinch welds? I want to change the fluid myself but im afraid of bending my pinch welds

[@Destroierify]

And where did you place the jack to jack it up?

[@DungHuFlung]

Thanks for that

[@villacorna]

@everthingdiy my automotive teacher always told fill and rotate the tires at the same time

[@TheJayDawg21]

I drove my Mazdaspeed3 onto ramps and used a bottle pump to fill the transmission from underneath. Everything else I did the same as you.

[@ryanh3285]

How do you know when its full?

[@recklesslyarrogant7242]

Where did this girl go ?? I miss her videos.

[@g0ds3nt]

+everythingdiy Is that the CorkSport TMIC? If so, how do you like that? I'm replacing my HPFP today before I change out the IC and I'm still debating on the FMIC or TMIC, but with my set up and no plans for the bigger turbo, I think TMIC is my end-game plan.

[@ItzCroix]

TMIC if you don't plan on getting the valiant grill, if you do get the front grill FMIC

[@jarrela.520]

Is this different from changing the gearbox oil?

[@bicpopo7415]

hi, at what kilometers is manual TRANSMISSION fluid change recommended for 2005 Mazda 3??

[@mwendia]

Why is it necessary to remove the intake filter?

[@theripper121]

Just a hint. It is a good idea to make sure you can break the fill bolt first especially on cars that have seen some miles to make sure you can get it off and get it filled before removing the drain plug.

[@frankgrimes2991]

Your clothes are way too nice for working on a car. LOL

[@stevewalton7353]

I like her presentations. She makes me want to pay attention. Damn she is gorgeous!

[@dharmaboy75]

What's the torque specs on the drain and fill plugs?

[@michaelzapanta5468]

Could i use the same type of Transmission Fluid you use for my MS3 2010? or do i have to use a different one because of the year?

[@everythingdiy]

+Michael Zapanta All second generation Speed's use the same fluid. So you're good to use the same fluid we used in the video. Thanks for watching!

[@eyebeebak]

do you know how often i should change the transmission fluid on my 11 mazda 3 auto.

[@RockandrollNegro]

Fluid and filter every 30,000 miles. That is, if you want it to last 300k miles. If you don't plan on keeping it just do it every 100k miles like the manual states.

[@Afrocanuk]

I would've used a clean dedicated measuring cup for the 2.6 quarts.

[@LancelotMooreYorke]

i gotta deff do this my car would grind in 3rd alot then my shift linkage snapped yesterday.. so now its in the shop :(

[@anshadejas9621]

awesome videos

[@kylea7864]

I really wish this was out a month ago...

[@BW-kv9wj]

This MTL must be a different formulation than 2021 formulation. Your oil color is more pink than mine I just bought. Mine is more of a pale color.

[@jerryallright77]

What size the hex size for the fill plug hole.

[@xXMusicAsAWeaponXx]

I have a 2007 mazda3 2.3L. Would my drain and fill plugs be in he same spot?

[@xXMusicAsAWeaponXx]

Never mind. I found it

[@itamararce7347]

ASAP GLACKS i also have a 2007 nonspeed model...where did you find the plugs? i tried looking all day but couldn't find it

[@davidsullivan7867]

What were the drain & fill bolt sizes?

[@vtecninja6363]

beautiful

[@Curling_Rack]

shouldnt there be a dipstick to check the oil level? my car is a gen 2. automatic trans

[@GiftedKreations]

+jeff r most manual transmissions have the fill plug at the bottom of the transmission

[@Curling_Rack]

Die mellow how will u know when your at the max line? pour enough oil until it reaches the fill plug?

[@GiftedKreations]

+jeff r you can't really overfill a manual transmission, u just fill it until you litterally overfill it and it starts pouring out from oil plug then u stop

[@Curling_Rack]

Die mellow thx man!

[@georgekuersten5984]

You should give BG Synchro shift 2 a try sometime.

[@martinmunoz5143]

Nice video ;)

[@emersonfelix1804]

How many ft pounds again to make the drain and fill plug tight???

[@jogmas12]

You should loosen the fill plug first before removing the drain plug

[@mb-es1cn]

just for future reference you should always take out the fill plug first.

[@numinous4789]

How did you like the Redline MTL? I have a 2010 Speed as well, but many folks with 2nd-gen Speeds run MT-90 (75w90) or an equivalent instead (like Motorcraft xt-m5-qs, which many Speed owners swear by, both Gen 1 and 2).

[@everythingdiy]

I've tried the Motorcraft stuff it didn't work for me I would always get annoying grind in 3rd gear just like I did with the OEM fluid. Once I switched to MTL the issue never came back and shifts are like butter. For me it's MTL for life.

[@numinous4789]

Thanks. Same here, but for 2nd. MTL over MT-90, huh? Just stuck with owner's manual GL-4 75w80 stuff? I'm thinking I'll go Redline MTL too.

[@mituc]

For the Speed3/3MPS you should use RedLine 75W90 LS - the LS version has some friction modifier for the LSD we have in our cars.

[@numinous4789]

Victor Tarhon-Onu Not according to the owner's manual. Also, I'm on several highly populated Mazdaspeed forums with folk who know these cars inside/out, and it's very rare to see someone recommend friction modifier - maybe 1 in 10 folks. I say that to ask this: why "should" I use what you're recommending? What's your rationale for ignoring what the Mazda engineers said?

[@mituc]

The speed3 has a limited slip differential and it's using the same oil as the gearbox oil. The oil for gearboxes that have an LSD is just a bit different. If you put normal gearbox oil in a gearbox that has an LSD it will start grinding, and this is exactly what's going to happen if you put "normal" gearbox oil (meaning without friction modifier) at the dealer, the kind that "the Mazda engineers" said it's good. If you live in Europe I recommend using Millers CRX LS NT 75w90, otherwise the Redline GL-5 LS 75w90 is just as good.

[@xz5z59]

I like that !

[@ProChargedLS2]

Wait so I can't overfill this transmission? I could just dump the entire bottle in it, and whatever doesn't go in is just extra that CAN'T go in?

[@2010ngojo]

Usually the fill hole is at where the max capacity is. Fill anymore and it will just overflow out the hole.

[@Millermacs]

You change the fluid every 20,000 miles? My 04 Civic Si is changed every 100,000.

[@everythingdiy]

After I change the fluid at 20K I can feel a pretty dramatic difference in gear engagement and overall transmission smoothness. It's worth it to me to keep this transmission running like new.

[@schwinnbiking]

should of loosened both plugs first or you can get stuck

[@rafalkopec6698]

very nice :))

[@parists5455]

If you also like sports, the guy that will marry you will be a happy man, like hitting the jackpot lucky

[@chriscoco547]

Do the fill plug first just in case it strips

[@radekw708]

which transmission, mazda3 year is this? Is same as cx5?

[@keatonmccarthy3285]

Did you end up changing your manual transmission CX-5's fluid? If so, similar to this video? I know the SkyActive-G engines call for the blue fluid.

[@radekw708]

@@keatonmccarthy3285 yes i just topped it off, don't think I will change until I do the clutch. There was 600ml or so missing. Yes this is a transmission, not a engine Skyactive MTX calls for exactly the fluid they use - SAE 75W80 API GL-4 . (1.65L)

[@keatonmccarthy3285]

@@radekw708 is your clutch going bad? How many miles on the car?

[@radekw708]

@@keatonmccarthy3285 No its fine and car is at 110k miles. I do believe there is some noise coming from the release bearing when its cold. I just changed my first clutch in my other car, ford focus 2001 2L (it had a bit of life) I did it at 150k miles and the clutch did look pretty badly worn. It had maybe 10k miles of life left on it, maybe not. So I'm thinking I at least have another 40k miles on it, but then again this car I think has more hwy miles so that may increase clutch life to 200k miles.. I want to avoid getting towed though, so better to do it earlier (150k mile mark). When your clutch actually goes you can feel it slipping (if the disc wears out). It could also be that your pressure plate or bearing go and you can't switch gears at all. Best case is its the slipping disc and you now have X amount of kms before it has no resistance at all and is 100% slipping. I think I experienced all cases now throughout the years.

[@quiet-wolf]

What about the transmission filter?

[@everythingdiy]

This car does not have a transmission filter. Filters on manual transmission are very rare. Thanks for watching!

[@quiet-wolf]

Oh good to know. I think I have seen manual transmission that had a filter, if I'm not mistaken.

[@jogirob3931]

If only I was lucky enough to land a girlfriend like her. We would make one hell of a rally/auto-x crew team =D

[@intertunetv]

75/90 is spec for reference thanks

[@everythingdiy]

For first gen speeds (2007-2009) it's 75W90, for second gens (2010-2013) it's 75W80.

[@randyfroysland2892]

all way use jack stand

[@julielee9870]

do i change fluid at warm or cold. 😊👍

[@ismaelocampo3119]

Julie lee at warm that way you know you are removing all the fluid

[@julielee9870]

Ismael Ocampo ty 😊

[@ismaelocampo3119]

Julie lee also make sure you replace your filter as well every time you replace your oil change.. once you put the oil again close the cap and turn on ur car then press on the gas for 5 seconds then turn it off and check your oil to see if you still need some more if you do add more. everytime you check your oil dip stick clean the dip stick then check the oil. you have to do this because when you check when you take out the dip stick it wont give you the correct sign if you are missing or not..

[@dukeman7595]

This is a manual transmission that does not have a filter.

[@RockandrollNegro]

Ismael Ocampo please do not ever help anyone change their fluid again. "Hey I just changed your engine oil. I put in Redline 80w90 so it should run pretty good now."

[@smalltown7773]

oil changing shops hate videos like this.

[@JohnBoulding]

Some guy is vey luck to have such a woman...👍🏼

[@warriner1290]

good job sweetie. no problem fixing a car, can't open a jar of pickles

[@pumpkinpot672]

MTL or MT-90? hm....

[@RockandrollNegro]

Split the difference and try the MT-85.

[@ogelow]

cute mechanic ;)

[@bblando65]

Couple things...From experience, I know you can run the MTL for longer than 20,000 miles with no ill effects...also, shouldn't that car be using a GL-5 tranny fluid? The MTL is only GL-4 rated....

[@everythingdiy]

This car does autocrosses, track days and is generally driven hard day to day. We change the transmission fluid often to keep shifting as crisp and precise as possible. We also want to keep the transmission components clean and contamination free to get the longest life possible. As far as transmission fluid all Mazdaspeed 3's and 6's call for GL-4 gear oil, GL-5 would cause issues with the synchros. Thanks for watching!

[@focusedzx3]

+bblando65 mazdaspeed 3 and 6's have brass bushings on the synchros and gl-5 has been known to cause problems with yellow metals such as brass and gold so the trans in these cars require gl-4 where as in the trans case and rear diff of the speed 6 you can use gl-5 as they are just regular silver metal components

[@brianburke396]

Good video, but remove fill plug first, they don't always open easy, so open fill plug first or else some day you Gina run into a world of hurt, everything else fine, well done