How To Choose and Install a Treble Bleed - Volume Mod

How to install a treble bleed
How to choose a treble bleed
Do I even need a treble bleed?
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[@brianpetersen3429]

Nice kit with options. I've used this on my custom jazz guitars with good results.

[@pkeepfer]

I use treble bleed circuits in my guitars. I have them installed in my Strat and Tele, and I love them. I would like to experiment with different capacitor values in the future though.

[@pizzaROX]

Hello! Thanks for video. Question. I want to install a treble bleed onto a 1 meg volume pot. Does it matter which value cap/resisistor I get ?

[@edunegrao]

Thank you my friend great material here!!!!

[@dogguitarbluesman]

as usual I love this. I just bought a 89' Japanese Fender Telecaster Deluxe (2 singles) no treble bleed but rolling off the volume really cleans it up a bit as well which I really like. Just curious what is that and does a TB do the same thing. Thanks D.

[@WolfgangKeim1]

Could you perhaps explain me, how to install two humbuckers with two independent volume knobs for blending and switching them out of phase with a push pull pot? I'm looking for diagrams but cant't find anything useful.

[@dhominique]

I use the Kinman treble bleed on all my guitars, I like how it cleans overdrive, gives my more control between rhythm and solo...

[@by.daekeryyy]

Master, what values of the kinman do you recommend for humbuckers (only humbuckers)? I'm not sure about the one established on the internet that is 1200pf and 130k (since the values of all treble bleed are for single coil), I'm looking for something that is balanced. I have been investigating the almost non-existent info that there is for humbukers and there is one that says that the cap stays the same (1200pf) and the resistance is between 220k or 250k, another forum says that it is 1000pf with 270k. What do you recomend? I'm looking for something that is balanced between highs, lows and mids (that's why I liked the kinman, but the established values I would like to change them to be focused on single coils)

[@SuperReverbious]

@@by.daekeryyy I like the duncan style with stewmac's values for humbuckers - .001uF orange drop polyester capacitor, and a 1/4 watt 150-Kohm resistor. Those worked great in my Les Paul with wildwood spec '59 Tribute humbuckers. Good retention of the treble and it tweaked the volume taper to be more like a vintage taper pot and less like an audio taper pot. (i.e half volume is closer to 5 than 7.5 on the dial. qtr vol is closer to 2.5 than 5).

[@user-wl5ok2bq7h]

question, how do i deal with this installation/test with a guitar that has 2 pickups , volume pot for each and a 3rd overall volume pot. thanks dan great muth busting love this site

[@connyblomqvist3648]

Hi Dylan..I have a Blackmore strat with Duncan ssl4 quaterpounder pickups..First i like to know the optimal pots..500k or 250k and i like to use bleed circit and what value would you like to recomend..thanks for your videos😀

[@MichaelBLive]

Yes. In my Strat. I also use a Tone/Bass tone knob which has a center spot where tone is disconnected. Oh and a Gilmore switch, switchable hot rails on N, B and a stutter switch. I would to also add phase switches to middle pickup and series parallel. Just go all in with every option. Besides it being a cool experiment, it is all useful and sounds great in different ways.

[@jessebreakspear6656]

yeah it's funny I'm doing all these crazy experiments with pedals and amps to try and get something a little different then one day I was like "ureika" just flip the polarity on a pickup for that out-of-phase sound duh the answer was in the guitar all along

[@mihailmilev9909]

So how did it go?

[@mihailmilev9909]

@@jessebreakspear6656 lol

[@mihailmilev9909]

What's a Gilmore switch h and stutter switch btw? Like a killswitch?

[@MichaelBLive]

@@mihailmilev9909 it is a switch to turn a pick up on regardless of the 5 way. So you can have and combo of the 3 pickups including all 3 or the 2 outside pickups.

[@JimmyKay1976]

How'd you make the alligator clip tester? Not available on your site anymore

[@mikkosutube]

in a passive filter arrangement wouldnt the high frequencies remain the same while the filter cuts out more of the lower frequencies?

[@jimcadorette1140]

since the capacitors have a color coding, are they directional and does it matter which terminal on the pot you connect them to? Thanks.

[@gtrpls7300]

Hey Dylan, thanks for all the great content. Really helpful. Just wanting to use the mod to choke back my modern output humbucker into vintage output territory without losing the highs. Do these mods play well with the audio taper pots?

[@paullancaster8877]

Thanks for this video! Your explanations were clear, and the tips will be useful when I change out my Tele volume pots. 👍🏼 I have played for years but am just now beginning to do my own mods. Your channel will be a resource. ✌🏼

[@davidallen346]

Not all guitar volume pot needs treble bleed it seem, certain type of potentiometer I'd noticed it'd retain the volume as u rolled it down so after 5 it starts to slowly fade away but i have a couple guitars that'd just lose volume after 7-8 setting that's when you know to adding a treble bleed would help.

[@arginox]

I try a 1 nF cap on a very cheap single coils strat, and sounds great...

[@ItsSzari]

Your videos are a game changer! I learned so much from them, and they really helped me alot in my partscaster build. Again thanks!!

[@spokes28]

? I am building a kit and want to try a treble bleed, but can you think of a situation in which you would not want your guitar to have the same sound at a lower volume?

[@daithidebarradb]

The only guitar I own without this mod is an old OLP Axis. only reason I don't have a treble bleed cap in it is because its bright enough due to only have the load of one volume pot straight to output jack.

[@asdaven1]

Have you done a video with the Gibson 50s wiring? That is wiring the tone pot to the center lug of the volume pot vs to the outer ungrounded lug of the volume pot? This creates a natural treble bleed. Also have you done a video of the greasebucket mod on the tone pot?

[@thomaswalz3515]

I can't live without a bleed. I play clean twangy Tele country, and having the volume cut back, bridge pup only, adjusting the tone pot to taste, is where it's at.

[@swh0rd682]

@DylanTalksTone Would this help my guitars that have problem I have where the volume seems to act like an on/off! I HATE IT! 2 guitars. One Modded MIM I got as a gift and a Reverend I bought. Conversely, my 78' Strat's volume rolls off with a great taper! I hate not being able to clean up my loud amp from the guitar. Whats the point of a volume pot if it might as well be a toggle switch!? hah

[@ronleccese8678]

Is polarity a issue when i installing a treble bleed?

[@user-ze8se4fc3g]

Could you use a push/pull pot so that both push and pull control the volume, but one has treble bleed mod and the other doesn't?

[@djdaveboycott]

What wire is best to use when rewiring pots and switch. Size and coatings etc. Thanks Dave

[@biggstile]

You can buy cloth vintage style wire on eBay. There are advantages to it, like being easy to use. It's push back style, so less wire stripping is necessary.

[@stevereese6488]

Do you still sell the treble bleed kit? I clicked the link and got a 404 error

[@Gmnjean]

Hey, my guitar comes with a treble bleed, but I believe that it's causing it not to have any sound until the volume nab gets to five or six. I like the idea of having one, but it seen like my guitar must be at ten at all times. Do you think if I change it, things will be better?

[@user-gg5ti6lq5m]

Treble bleed would preserve the treble through more of the volume pot sweep. It sound like your volume pot sweep is off and removing the treble bleed wouldn't help it. But you can alway cut it out.

[@rusty6314]

Hello I just saw a video showing another way to wire a treble bleed circuit. His name is Pat Furlan on his KZbin channel he uses an Inductor on the ground and a resistor between the L1 &L2 posts.

[@MrShadowofthewind]

I was trying to install one yesterday, and now my volume pot doesn't work anymore, it's stuck at max volume when rolled down, how do you find the source of the problem ? And my second question is, you have lugs that you need to connect whatever to, for example you need to connect three wires in one lug, are the wires allowed to touch eachother ? If not, how do you prevent this with such small room in the lug ?

[@Markle2k]

It sounds like you shorted -a lead to ground- the input and output together . You've taken the volume pot (and treble bleed) out of the circuit (or rather, put it on the sidelines). Edit: thought it through better on a piece of paper.

[@PhilHeesen]

This kit is a great idea! Thanks Dylan!

[@DylanTalksTone]

Phil Heesen III it’s just a fun experiment!

[@BrokenCompassRecords]

Hi dylan, Does it have any sense, to have 50's wiring and treble bleed mod at the same time in a les paul?

[@davidallen346]

50's wiring is another version of treble bleed that uses the tone knob I would not recommend this method i have try it before, it makes ur guitar lose volume its best to just use regular treble bleed I try the 50's wiring before did not like the result, you want the les paul to sound loud and powerful, I had treble bleed the neck volume parallel and bridge volume in series on my les paul gtr and it boost the tone a quite alot. Try the .0022 Cap and 250 k resistor for TB here's a link that will explain the benefit of treble bleed. www.reddit.com/r/Guitar/comments/6bb8vd/oc_an_in_depth_guide_to_treble_bleed_circuits/?fbclid=IwAR0tI-RnHyvwTz494cNRUMvcj0hRtSln49HKiDtBRIZjQb09q1dHHSgsgDU

[@by.daekeryyy]

@@davidallen346 what values do u recommend me for humbuckers? Maybe he word is subtle, not as marked as a treble bleed that when you lower the volume, there are too many high frequencies and the bass even loses.

[@davidallen346]

@@by.daekeryyy Through all the trial and errors to finally pissed off my guitar tech trying to find a correct value treble bleed I would recommend just experimenting using ether Audio or Linear taper pot for the humbucker it's very redundant when you can't change the volume of your guitar if you turn down the volume control, some people think that is a good thing, I found out it gets brighter in some instance when you have treble bleed also you guitar does not sound good or natural , Goggle Audio vs Linear taper pots it's really up to your ears. Gibson uses Linear for volume and Taper for tone, Fender have their own version of treble bleed I have not heard how good it is, I think treble bleed is a bad idea in my opinion unless its factory installed because they have people actually researched and experimented what it sound natural to the ears. Your best bet is to get a good volume pot that you actually can hear the volume difference. Electric guitar sounds best when in it's natural state and not try to messed with the volume setting.

[@tolvajakos]

been watching your videos. now i got into maintaining, modding my own guitars, started to do my own wiring. i am coming back to your videos on electrics and i find themsuper useful. thank you.

[@jessebreakspear6656]

yeah if you thinking of getting into electronics, wiring guitars is a great place to start! they are very low power/current so they teach you the importance of making good connections but nothing is going to catch on fire if you do a bad connection plus the circuits are fairly simple.

[@jimmynorris]

The link to the kit is broken.

[@Xxmeca421xX]

I prefer a resistor in series and in parallel to fix the taper

[@ianaintsaying1625]

I've fooled with treble bleed circuits until I almost drove myself crazy. By far the best I came up with is the Kinman circuit. The components I settled on for PAF type humbuckers with 500k pots is a series connected 240k resistor with a 1200pf cap.

[@joequintana5546]

I use a 680pf cap/220K resistor as a Treble Bleed on my Strat and Tele.

[@jessebreakspear6656]

Yeah I should have got one of these things years ago it's a passive thing, so it's not really going to boost highs but it will help balance things out. it's funny on paper, in theory, an electric guitar seems so simple but on the practical side of things there are all these little problems that come out of the woodwork, and pedals and amps are even worse LOL like a lot worse for all these strange little hiccups.

[@Jimmyroots]

QUESTION!!!! How to do a switchable treble bleed ?

[@amitsapir2]

Why do you use ceramic acp in the treble bleed and Orange cap on your tone cap?

[@TheGuitarModder]

Amit Sapir probably cos it doesn't matter. It's a passive circuit

[@crazyuncleduke8012]

A capacitor is a capacitor regardless of what brand it is or what it's made from. It's main function is to block DC current and hold AC current. I hope that answers your question. Cheers.

[@DylanTalksTone]

Amit Sapir I agree with what everyone has said. Also, size. It has to be small

[@amitsapir2]

DylanTalksTone Of course a capictor is a capcitor no matter what material it is made from. For all I know, companies prefer to avoid using ceramic caps because they are microphonic. But if it is doesn't matter, than why do you use Sprouge caps for the tone circuit?

[@crazyuncleduke8012]

Because Orange Drops are made of polypropylene and don't leak voltage over time like the old paper in oil ones did. Ceramic caps are a viable and inexpensive alternative to Orange Drops and many companies still use them due to the cost savings.. However, ceramic caps will still leak voltage after time and that's why it's best to use a poly cap due to it's longevity.

[@spoonsmith9506]

Kinman??

[@TipplerMario]

404 error when clicking the link.

[@ranco1897]

my taste is 680pf + 150KΩ

[@matthouston8411]

its a mid cut, that's what it does. Instead of losing the high you lose the mids, which is worse if you're a blues player. This will make a bright sounding guitar unbearable.

[@rutiger6901]

I'm on a campaign here at home for the simple revision of every one of my budget strats to connect the bridge pickup to a tone control knob. This "treble bleed" adaptation renders the bridge pickup as actually usable instead of being a dysfunctional annoying decoration. One man's "twangy" is this man's fingernails on a blackboard.