Best Treble Bleed option for any guitar : V-TREB Variable Treble Bleed circuit

[@MrRobgtar]

Just put one on my Nashville Tele with Fender vintage noiseless set, and man it I love it!

[@Xxmeca421xX]

I'm ordering one of these to save time on finding the right combo of resistor and cap

[@airrun76]

Wow, learn something new everyday. I've got an older Peavey Predator that I'm thinking of modding (after a give it a good cleaning). I enjoy your videos and you shred on those axes. (edited: i answered my own question watching your video again)

[@michaelruiz3167]

Thanks for the informative demonstration. As for my Tele and Strat it was extremely helpful and I believe that is is going to help me with my 339 w/P90's

[@NickGranville]

Cheers

[@ToddSauve]

Your Strat looks absolutely beautiful with that Antique Burst finish and the aged pearl pickguard. It is the same way I have my Squier Standard Strat finished, and I'm in love with the way it looks now. Got rid of the old tortoise shell brown pickguard, which looked terrible with the Antique Burst body finish IMHO.

[@neilcharkow5598]

I think I'll go for this but I might try it on a guitar with back cavity or a Telecaster rather than the hassle of removing and replacing the scratch guard. I think a non-variable treble bleed would be a better option on a Strat-style guitar. Please let me know if I'm missing something because I'd love to be able to make adjustments on a Strat without a test wiring setup like in the video.

[@TruthSurge]

seems to save a whole lot of experimenting and buying/wasting a few caps and resistors. thx

[@Drunken_Hamster]

The real question is; Does a treble bleed negate having the warm sounding 250k pots? Like, does it turn a 250 into a 500 or 1m, tonally?

[@Alex-ze9tv]

I think I preferred no treble bleed. Maybe set the treble bleed to a more minimal setting would be my preference

[@Drunken_Hamster]

Just install a treble bleed, then roll down your tone.

[@MNGuitars]

so awesome! iv been thinking about adding one to my strat, definitely checking this out! thanx, awesome playing and tone

[@ilovenoise]

guitarelectronics.com/cts-500k-pro-guitar-pot-w-variable-treble-bleed-circuit/

[@jnyb54]

great sound, what are you playing through?

[@julianbachmuzik]

Does anyone know if the circuitry of the V-Treb is based on the KINMAN, DUNCAN or SIMLE(no resistor) design?

[@robjames2462]

We (PMT Music Products) are not familiar with with either of those circuits so we can not say how it compares or if it is similar in its electrical structure.

[@kimhansen6384]

@@robjames2462 You should be, if you make such products.

[@NickGranville]

Nice one man! I've tried various things to get the treble bleed right but usually end up removing it as it's never right. Crazy to think no one has created a guitar pot that actually works properly yet.

[@AverageRider717]

Nick Granville try 50's strat wiring. It stops all the nonsense associated with treble bleeds. Treble bleeds sound funny because the treble is dumped back into the circuit without tone control. Similar to the bridge pup having no tone. 50's wiring doesn't have that problem because the treble isn't dumped to hot without tone control.

[@NickGranville]

Thanks @X Crow. :)

[@AverageRider717]

Nick Granville If you are interested I'd be glad to pass along my "Secret Sauce" wiring diagram. We'll figure out how we are going to get it to you. The reason why treble bleeds sound and often are not liked is the same reason people don't like it when a strat bridge is not on a tone. Treble bleeds actually dump treble back into the circuit directly across from the input lug to the output lug on your volume pot. Effectively that is bypassing the tone. Essentially, all the treble that can pass through the treble bleed isn't filtered like it would be through a regular tone control. Like I said before, think strat bridge pup off a tone pot, "harsh sounding and bright." Just let me know.

[@NickGranville]

Thanks. Easiest to get hold of me on Facebook probably. Or email via my website. Appreciated the help. Cheers

[@pablobing271]

Yes im accord whit you Nick ,im seeking desperate ,since long time ,the real solution ,because the pots of today are very different at the before 90's ,i had a bought a lot of pots older and chosen the best .

[@cgavin1]

These are really good for hot P90's too. Especially the stock Gibson ones. You basically get an intuitive and usable modern wiring instead of having to wrap your head round the unintuitive 50's wiring.

[@drial]

Tried it on my high output humbucker strat. Sounded compressed and weird compared to my old Kinman treble bleed.

[@reygalindo]

I'm not so sure if it's the quality of the broadcasted video but without the distortion it sounds very alike with or without the treble bleed. I wonder if you have a video of pure clean no distortion demonstration.

[@mattmicklin]

Here's a stupid question, when you did your test and connected the wires hanging out of the pickguard, did you solder the wires to the alligator clips? Or do your alligator clips have way of clamping down on the wire on the back end of the clip?

[@billybingbong8501]

So this is pretty cool. Good price for a CTS pot also. But what if I already have a nice CTS pot installed and have no need to change it? This circuit is easily obtainable, if my knowledge is right. This is a combination of a "Kinman" treble bleed and a "duncan" treble bleed. The duncan uses a capacitor in parallel with a resistor; the capacitor in this case determines the amount of treble that shall be bled and the resistance shapes the taper of the volume pot (i.e. more resistance = more cut as you lower the volume). The Kinman on the other side uses a resistance in series with the capacitor. The capacitor determines once again the the frequency of the treble bleed and the resistance determines how much impact that effect has on the bleed, also the taper is much stronger cutting deeply in sound at around 5-6, compared to a duncan that tapers evenly from 10 through 1. So what's going on, I think, is that you originally have a duncan (capacitor in parallel with resistance) which must give it an even taper all along the time that you start lowering the value of your volume from 10 to 1 and then at the other end of that, you have a pot which is the little screw that you us to adjust the brightness of the bleed and would be the Kinman part of this bleed. Hope this clarifies things for SOME people who might have questions about the functionality. And if not... well fuck it ! Have a great time !!

[@billybingbong8501]

So update. I went to my electronic store and found trim pot for .20$CA. With tge rest of the electronic, total cost was 1$ for this mod lol. Fight the man!

[@robjames2462]

We (PMT Music Products)do offer these without the pot in a single pack and 3-packs. guitarelectronics.com/electronic-parts/pots-volume-tone-blend/pmt-sonic-expansion-controls/

[@John-fd8nd]

Hi James, thanks for some great videos including this one. I am interested to know what type of Bridge/Tremolo hardware you have on the dark Strat ? I can see that it is a 2-screw mount, which might not fit my Strats/Squiers, but the friction fit looks to be way better than the screw-in types that I currently have. I love the idea of being able to quickly remove the arm when the guitar goes in the case. The arm looks to be a better shape that the conventional ones as well as staying where it is put. I have been using plumbers tape (PTFE) on the thread of my trem bar in an attempt to make it better, but it's not the ideal solution.

[@thunderrosa2258]

What value is the resistor used?

[@sfear6]

is this will work on a neck humbucker?

[@giulioluzzardi7632]

Too much for Fender( style) amp but Vox/Marshall/Orange would be usesfull at gig volume I think.

[@pablobing271]

it seem very good treble bleed im a huge fan of treble beed in all my guitars ,but i never seen one treble bleed like that ,James Can you tell me if the pot I wanted to know if the sound starts as soon as you move the potentiometer, because in the new potentiometers the majority alpha, cts, burns, no longer manufactured as before the new millennium( this is very important to me ,for this case ,im seeking all the time olders pots ,thanks and good video!!!

[@stvywndr]

Out of curiosity, what single coils do you have with the Pearly Gates? Are they well balanced for tone and volume?

[@rufuswinchester6222]

Hi, thanks for the vid. Just what I have been looking for. Just ordered a few. What single coil pickups are you using in the neck and middle? They sound great.

[@stvywndr]

Great demo James! Out of curiosity, I am purchasing a SD Pearly Gates for my strat based on your videos. I have SD Antiquity Texas Hots currently, do you think the PG will complement them on volume and tone? Thanks!

[@WiserInTime]

I've read in a guitar forum some players claiming the treble bleed affects the tone when the volume is on 10. It makes it a bit "brittle" sounding especially with overdrive / distortion. Anyone have any experience with this?

[@tradbowseven]

WiserInTime i agree, leaving my strats stock.

[@robjames2462]

When the pot is set to 10, a treble bleed circuit is shorted out to itself and removed from the circuit. It can not affect the sound in that configuration/setting. When I designed this product for PMT, we tested the effect on tone in all pot positions to verify when its effects were in play and when it was effectively removed.

[@MNGuitars]

what do you use between the existing pot and the vtreb when testing like you did?

[@ilovenoise]

Simply connected two wires, and then later soldered it once I decided on the value

[@MNGuitars]

can you post a direct link to the pot? I can't seem to find it on stewmac

[@ilovenoise]

So sorry mate, I just realised that they weren't from Stew Mac!! guitarelectronics.com/cts-500k-pro-guitar-pot-w-variable-treble-bleed-circuit/

[@MNGuitars]

james ryan thanx man!!

[@robjames2462]

Other versions available here: guitarelectronics.com/electronic-parts/pots-volume-tone-blend/pmt-sonic-expansion-controls/

[@sfear6]

nice!

[@mateusoliveira9612]

Can you explain to me what this regulator is for on board, how it works and what the best fit is ....

[@gunsguitarsrccarz4131]

i put this on my Strat.. sounds Best to me at 3/4% .. So Sick.. this is what is missing in All dulled sound strat

[@5urg3x]

Shrug…I liked the no treble bleed way better honestly. Too bright otherwise. But that’s just me I suppose, and there’s definitely situations where you would absolutely WANT it to be that bright, depending on context. So it’s cool to have the option, just as long as you can turn it off when you need to 👍

[@Drunken_Hamster]

Just roll down your tone.

[@steveconrad3529]

They are here: ( I ordered the three pack!) guitarelectronics.com/electronic-parts/pots-volume-tone-blend/pmt-sonic-expansion-controls/

[@NickGranville]

Thanks.

[@AlissonCasagrandeGTR]

Did you use A type or B type pots for Volume?

[@robjames2462]

When we (PMT Music Products) assemble these circuits on a pot as a "package" we use standard Audio taper pots from CTS and Bourns (Bourns pots have a bit better taper to start with) however it should be noted that the presence of the V-Treb circuit slightly alters the taper slightly which is usually an improvement in the overall "sweep" of the pot.

[@xderiwx]

@@robjames2462 Hey Rob, Can you explain the V-treb a bit? When the pot is at min/max, are there rough values you can say that would be equal to? For example, with the pot at max, would it be like having just a 1000pf cap? Just curious as to what the range of adjustment is. Also, are the resistors in parallel, series or both, like the way Fender is doing theirs? Is there any concern with the pot moving on you once it’s installed in the guitar, or is the movement pretty stiff? Thank you!

[@dieselpower66.6]

it's just a RC filter

[@robjames2462]

with the ability the apply the filter in an adjustable/variable manor.

[@TheJoecoool]

without it the sound much better

[@craigparse1439]

Cool channel... Sub'd!

[@jupjuck]

I'd rather have something that does a slight treble cut at full volume and f*cks off when you turn down.... Just me..