How to Choose the Best Master Bus Limiter Based on Their 10 Cons

[@AndrewZeleno1]

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[@diseltunel6932]

А теперь давай по русски. Для русских пацанов..

[@erwinbader4371]

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[@rapidfiremuzik_official]

For some reason i felt a top KGB agent was giving me the lowdown on these Limiters lol. Salute from Australia

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[@ArtsyMusic]

Great video Andrew. What Andrew trains us is how to think like an audio engineer. Before I started this course I did not understand what I needed to get to with a particular tool. Now I’m thinking way before I pick the tool. Then I listen and if it’s the wrong tool I change it until I get the sound in my head, this is no different with limiters. The guy is a pleasure to work with, but don’t expect him to say your mix is ok if it’s not, he will tell you it sux, but he will train you to understand why. That is priceless. All the best Stu.

[@AndrewZeleno1]

Thanks Stu. His is one of my students at 8th month of the course now. I didn't ask him to put this here. It's his will and I appreciate that. Thanks Stuart. See you at the class.

[@Eyuelin]

I watch ur videos again & i still learn something new always 👏👏

[@AndrewZeleno1]

Glad to hear that. Thanks!

[@discern7544]

The Sonnox limiter is a good one too.

[@nexusobserve]

Wow, the L2 vs the Weiss is VERY noticeable

[@KRESTOVSKYMUSIC]

well, all the same I think that the coolest option is WEISS OR INVISIBLE LIMITER

[@drummerjeroensimons]

Thank you Andrew for this great video!!! Cheers from The Netherlands, Jeroen Simons, Independent/ex- Epica.

[@AndrewZeleno1]

Thanks Jeroen! Hope you've seen this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gIeyiqGOr8iErqs

[@dannyboy4956]

Woo... I didn't know that limiters have a specific characters of working Now I will choose the limiter thoroughly. Thank you 👍

[@AndrewZeleno1]

You're welcome. Since the middle of September this channel will have new mind blowing stuff uploaded.

[@AudioReplica2023]

love the video. and it its 100% true about hyped plugins advertisements. Today I was making a test between 2 eq plugins . Emulations btw....and after testing for hours I got to the conclusion the $60 plugin worked better for the instrument than the $175 hyped plugin.

[@AndrewZeleno1]

Actually never make a decision based on one test. Today one plugin works better. Tomorrow in the other mix with the other instrument the other plugin will be better suitable.

[@AudioReplica2023]

@@AndrewZeleno1 I noticed that too but I think it depends on the song. Every mix it's a different approach, different sound.

[@blamejabsdontblameunvaxed8031]

Cool stuff man!

[@AlbertoDelacruz92]

Damn, this was very detailed. Thanks my guy!

[@johnkanguru5747]

I missed this video for dome reason. Very nice stuff man!

[@AndrewZeleno1]

Hi my friend! Yes. The bell often doesn't work.

[@bighousemusic628]

D.m.g limitless game over

[@alyonazem3480]

It's just huge!

[@audioproductionmusicproduc8518]

I know right?

[@user-db8np1er4s]

@@audioproductionmusicproduc8518 Yeah!

[@podlesnytwins]

Thank you for this video. What are you think about invisible limiter. What disadvantages this limiter has?

[@AndrewZeleno1]

I showed in this videos that there are no better or worse. It's about how you avoid disadvantages. And you ask this :)

[@user-db8np1er4s]

I strongly feel it's super useful!

[@valentinafreitas7412]

Hi Andrew, i think only you could answer a doubt not common to find on the web forums.....here it goes: i'm doing a mastering for spotify, wich converts the file to AAC to be streamed online, for this purpose, they recommend -14 LUFS of perceived level and keep the peaks below -2dBTP.......and that's okay, because i use WLM meter and great limiters, so i can keep my eyes on this levels and export the song respecting these limits, the funny thing, is that, once i get the exported file in wav. format, and i reopen it as an Audio file on my DAW, my peaks go above -2dBTP easily, actually, peaks are close to 0dBTP in all tracks pretty much (even setting the ceiling of the limiters way below 0 dBTP to avoid True Peak distortion) and the perceived volume also enhances too after the export, something around -12 LUFS....i don't understand why, no tips at all on the internet discussing about what happens with the track after it is exported. ....in the mastering stage, it shows me a different level compared to the exported file (wich is usually more louder and peaking) how to deal?!?!?!?

[@checktheneck]

Valentina Freitas you should use true peak limiting function, it’s available in some limiters like izotope ozone 7 (or 8) maximizer. As for the reasons for the occurrence of clipping, this is due to the conversion to lossy formats, as a rule, the higher the compression, the more intersample peaks happens.

[@valentinafreitas7412]

@@checktheneck As i said above, i've checked the true peak limiting option obviously, and settled almost -1 dB of Ceiling to prevent analog distortion, however, wav. format is not always a lossy format, such as mp3 or FLAC....wav. can be uncompressed audio once it's rendered as Linear Pulse Code Modulation ...seems to me you did not understand my point...better to me wait for Zeleno...he's definitely got a good answer

[@AndrewZeleno1]

If you want real honest opinion I have to say I can't say for sure until I see it on my own. Described problem is unusual. If you do eveything correct and your limiter is the real true peak limiter it would never happen like you described.

[@valentinafreitas7412]

@@AndrewZeleno1 As always, you're right, a true peak limiter should do the job anytime, the problem was that Logic Pro has a option called "Normalize" in the bounce menu, if you do not uncheck this option (like i did), you'll have problems with peaking and volume differences (i took more than one hour mastering and exporting to figure out what was the mistake)...sorry for bothering with this simple daze, i'm quite ashamed for now, but that's okay...have a good day!

[@checktheneck]

​@@valentinafreitas7412 try to check your track in izotope rx or other analyzer that show true peak, to make sure that the problem is not only (or just only) in your daw. Among other things, the normalization function when exporting most likely makes your true peak 0.0 dB again, as if you did not adjust the ceiling in the limiter and true peak setting. Try to avoid automatic normalization when it comes to mastering. Mastering is primarily about manual control of all aspects. If you want to make sure that are all volume indicators (peak, lufs and other) are correct after mastering, use analyzers, or tools such as "mastered for itunes tool set", iZotope RX (loudness module), or "Mastering The Mix LEVELS" plugin. Also, check the Loudness Penalty site. It's very useful.

[@discern7544]

I wonder what you would say about the Abbey Road TG limiter, it's very dramatic in character but sounds pretty good sometimes.

[@CERTI0151]

That’s an amazing limiter

[@podlesnytwins]

Спасибо за такое познавательное видео

[@AndrewZeleno1]

Спасибо

[@poltergeist_16]

Что думаете про Elevate? Опять же, если выбирать между Fabfilter, Melda и Elevate

[@AndrewZeleno1]

Не смогу ответить в тексте. Это слишком долго.

[@audioproductionmusicproduc8518]

Cool!

[@user-db8np1er4s]

:)

[@jon0830]

Hi Andrew, while all limiters have their own "character" i've found the TDR limiter 6 GE to be most flexible for me. Between the different modes and combinations of the clipper and limiter i've found it can handle the widest variety of material as it can be setup to avoid all the mentioned disadvantages depending on what you're limiting. I'm curious about your thoughts on this one

[@AndrewZeleno1]

I didn't try this one.

[@rogergarriga3917]

@@AndrewZeleno1 try it andrew! I use the free one snd it works great :)

[@AndrewZeleno1]

@@rogergarriga3917 I should. Check my latest video. A brand new technique whicvh beats all traditional side-chain techniques for kick & bass: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ope2XmRtl8qGp68

[@rogergarriga3917]

@@AndrewZeleno1 I did! Pretty cool video! So glad you uploaded i missed you

[@AndrewZeleno1]

@@rogergarriga3917 Thanks for support man!

[@101PENNYAUSTRALIA101]

Hey Andrew, just wondering what a sensible or “normal” amount of gain reduction would be on the limiter particularly in electronic and rnb music. I have ozone 8 elements and the master assistant almost always pushes the track at 3.5-5db over the limiter. I guess I’m asking if that’s a normal thing to do because to me around 5db seems a bit excessive. (I do use other limiters and master my tracks myself I just like to see what the master assistant gives me for reference)

[@uwebaganz5144]

Wow 5dB - doesn't it distort and destroy your mix? Or has it then a long release set? I normally use 0 to 3 dB

[@new2dayuser151]

Oxford!!!!!!

[@wyldkard4461]

So what’s the best master limiter to use in your opinion .

[@RuhkcusTV]

i want this song ;) please post on spotify ! it very catchy!

[@AndrewZeleno1]

I don't have time honestly. I teach some many students every day so almost don't have time for my projects.

[@Geedygeedy]

Damn.. You used Izotope Ozone 4?!

[@AndrewZeleno1]

Check this video my new video first kzbin.info/www/bejne/gHWvfmNjpNWqo5I

[@buzzardmusic5606]

Andrew, i like your courses a lot, a am really trying to learn mixing and mastering, can i send you one song, and you will tell me what is wrong with it, that would be so precious for me!!!)))

[@AndrewZeleno1]

What do you mean by "i like your courses a lot"? I have 60 students and I check their songs. You are not part of the course. So you can't like the course a lot :)

[@cisko3000]

Yo, your song is fire! I've never heard anything like it.

[@AndrewZeleno1]

Thanks

[@cisko3000]

@@AndrewZeleno1 you on soundcloud or spotify?

[@oumuamuao9496]

Thank you~ Subscribed !

[@AndrewZeleno1]

You're welcome!

[@toogarinzlodey]

ну дак, в итоге, какой лимитер занимает первое место, по вашему мнению? я так и не понял...

[@AndrewZeleno1]

Смысл в том что нет лучше или худшего. Настоящий звукорежиссер работает ушами и учитывает те 10 недостатков лимитера.

[@toogarinzlodey]

@@AndrewZeleno1 мне кажется, если не злоупотреблять лимитированием, как это сейчас многие делают, то любой из широко известных подойдет для корректной работы, а не тупо зажимать микс до "колбасы" )))

[@RodneyD]

Well sir I want to take your mastering course. How do I sign up??

[@AndrewZeleno1]

I said in the video how to do it. Send me an email :)

[@sergeyandreyanov9325]

круто))

[@AndrewZeleno1]

Thanks :)

[@hampsonpaul3531]

Limiters and loudness is the death of music.. All emotion and vibe killed instantly... The best mixes and songs ever produced are imperfect that is the magic of music...

[@AndrewZeleno1]

It's because If you can't set up and find a specific limiter which doesn't affect on dynamics. If you don't want dynamics changes you just apply modern maximizers which will not change any volume balance. They only grab one of rare high peaks and limit them almost like clippers. It doesn't change anything. Also all the best mixes I know have a maximixer in their mastering stage. "best mixes and songs ever produced are imperfect that is the magic of music" it has nothing to do with the subject. Very imperfect mix may have a maximizer. And they do in 99% of cases after 1990.

[@hampsonpaul3531]

@@AndrewZeleno1 Perfect answer Andrew.. Thank you..

[@thegreatsiberianitch]

Blanket statements are the death of thought

[@new2dayuser151]

I like most of Waves plugins, however, the Waves limiters are too finicky for me!! IZotope is great and T Racks is on the money!!!

[@new2dayuser151]

@@AndrewZeleno1 There's so many great plugins out there that it can be overwhelming. However, like any great recipe, I only use a few that I feel comfortable and confident with to achieve my results !! Thanks for the channel!! I appreciate you sharing your knowledge!!

[@AndrewZeleno1]

Watch my last UPDATED video. It's different now and strong. Some myth busting: kzbin.info/www/bejne/n33EfoZ_mt9-jsU

[@foxproduction4554]

..too bad you didnt test Stealth limiter from IK..its realy transparent and loud..regards

[@AndrewZeleno1]

Thanks! Check my last video. It's 4 minutes but very useful Reverb subject kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3qze5KKfa6pkM0

[@Romariosaxo]

Why no limitless,it’s really cool.

[@AndrewZeleno1]

Check my last video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gHWvfmNjpNWqo5I

[@themountainradio]

Lyrics of the song: "Waves, UAD, whatcha doin'?"

[@AndrewZeleno1]

Probably :)

[@new2dayuser151]

Another hidden jewel!! Limiter No6 by vladg!! Great channel!!! Keep it going!!!

[@AndrewZeleno1]

Check my last video. It's a very important and useful one: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i4aTi56upZqGeNk

[@new2dayuser151]

@@AndrewZeleno1 ok! I'll check it out!

[@checktheneck]

Hi, can you share your computer specification?

[@AndrewZeleno1]

Old one with custom updates. No point to share it here.

[@checktheneck]

​@@AndrewZeleno1 I just want to understand what processor is enough to work with mixing, with a lot of pretty heavy plugins like acustica audio. I'm thinking about buying a new Mac mini with Core i3 (I3-8100B) but many people tell me that i need to buy at least i7. Although it seems to me that the latest generation i3 maybe not worse than the older generations of i7.

[@AndrewZeleno1]

CPU itself is not what affects on a speed of processing. Plugins don't make too much difference honestly. Pacifica Audio will not improve your mixing.

[@Mansardian]

I love your videos, they feel so "real". But please! don't say "Weezz", Weiss is pronounced like "Vice".

[@AndrewZeleno1]

Sure. Thanks for the hint.

[@Dmitry_Perelekhov]

Спасибо!)

[@AndrewZeleno1]

Пожалуйста! Смотрите и это видео: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXinaIpjjMefaM0

[@RodneyD]

Fabfilter Pro-L2 Best Limiter out right now!!

[@AndrewZeleno1]

You can read similar statements but about other limiters in this comment section. I don't understand. The point of this video was that the best plugin is BS. There is no better or worse. It's all about understanding nuances (10 cons) to choose the right one in specific moment.

[@RodneyD]

Andrew Zeleno Well excuuuuuuuuse me!! 😂 😂 😂

[@AndrewZeleno1]

:)

[@isaacjohnklein]

@@RodneyD #REKT lol

[@fabienbonenfant7219]

Did you really tested it in depth? For example, Attack and Release Knobs are totally wrong, there are no 10 seconds attack in limiters.

[@NN-rs1ny]

FG - X Is the most transparent Limitter

[@AndrewZeleno1]

Good for you. I hope you tested all limiters in the world on 100 mixes to claim it :) And not only based on your subjective opinion but you made 20 people in the bliend test agreed on it.

[@NN-rs1ny]

@@AndrewZeleno1i know what you mean about my opinion and my comment but still i wont even suggest to people to stick just to that or one limiter , yes i did tested against 3!, Pro L2, Elevate ,DMG limitless still the best and most transparent PLUGING! limiter now when it comes to analog i do not know, theres probably better ones out there , i would like your opinion on this limiter i know it limiters depend on the content of the song but what are your thoughts on the FG - X?

[@Test-ue5po]

​ N/N FG-X scoops nids. jlaporta doesnt suggest it. it isnt transparent

[@chefhomeboiardee4574]

🤔

[@plunk6774]

Ты один из тех, кто заслуживает того, чтобы на твоих уроках было 0 дизлайков

[@AndrewZeleno1]

Спасибо

[@user-bd1vi4xr4l]

очень интересно, ничего не понятно, но очень интересно )

[@AndrewZeleno1]

Спасибо

[@discern7544]

Ozone 4 looks better than the newer ones.

[@HobbieOne]

i agree. I have Ozone 8 but i don't like it. Like : "it's not the same".

[@napalm_spb]

Блин, а где на русском то? )

[@AndrewZeleno1]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXinaIpjjMefaM0

[@kdd1380]

Жаль что не на русском

[@CovenProject]

Я хоть и понимаю на английском , но все жн для русских было бы не плохо и на русском языке тоже сделать, публика у вас больше будет русскоязычная , а сейчас как раз не хватает таких видео на русском.

[@AndrewZeleno1]

Извините но этот канал дял видео на английском. Видео на русском есть тут: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXinaIpjjMefaM0