How to Clean Waste Oil for Black Diesel - WMO - Alternative Diesel - Fuel Prepping

How to Clean Waste Oil for Black Diesel - WMO - Alternative Diesel - Fuel Prepping - Part 3

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@PABioSupply 4 ай бұрын

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@yachtwork 4 ай бұрын

Great run down. Thank for the effort of putting the video together. The tips and tricks really help.

@albinklein7680 4 ай бұрын

I have an old oil furnace in my workshop (70kW burner) and when I have enough used motor oil, I run it through it in a 40/60 mix (40% red Diesel, 60% oil). I modified the burner slightly. I beefed up the preheater from 150Watts to about 500 Watts and I modified the nozzle (I reduced the atomising slits in the cone of the nozzle by grinding it in the nozzle body with lapping compound) to deliver the rated 2GPH at 20 bar pressure instead of 9 bar. It works perfectly. The burner starts normally and the whole furnace can be cleaned out easily after burning 100 gallons of this mixture. The best thing is that it doesn't smoke at all.

@matthewknight5641 2 күн бұрын

you should be really proud of yourself. thank you for the video

@tcmtech7515 4 ай бұрын

I work with used oils and fuels for a living and here is some helpful info on how to separate water from hydrocarbon fluids in general. There is an odd quirk of physics with most common liquid hydrocarbons as they are heated they drop any suspended aqueous solutions (water antifreeze and the like) out of them. The rough ratio is 1 gallon per degree F rise per 10,000 gallons. That is to say that if you had 10,000 gallons of used oil and raised its temperature by 50 degrees you would get about 50 gallons of suspended water out of it.

@buzzbierbaum4026 Ай бұрын

Wow Thank you so much for the informative detailed video! Good Job

@PABioSupply 2 күн бұрын

Glad you found it helpful!

@moffatmechanical8470 4 ай бұрын

Nice video. Very happy with the results from your fuge 👍

@davidmattice3752 Күн бұрын

Use kleenex oil filter system, they say it removes down to 2 microns, I've use a filter set up to filter hyd oil on large loaders and shovels once a year, it works, it picks up water, fuel, coolant, plus dirt

@heyyoubuddy6749 Ай бұрын

Hi I’ve run black diesel for a good while now. I run the oil through a 25 micron large bag filter then a 1 micron bag filter. The oil flows in to a 55 gallon drum. I run the oil through a 2kwh heater. Once the oil is at 220 I engage the centrifuge. I run the system for 12 hours the oil recycles in the drum so it goes through the centrifuge about 10 times. The oil comes out very smooth but still black. I’ve had no issues.

@BillWilder-t9e Ай бұрын

You could use a multi stage filter system that then feeds into a centrifuge to help keep the centrifuge running longer between cleaning it or you could use multiple centrifuges also one larger sized one for bulk contamination removal that then flows into a smaller sized one since the oil would be mostly cleaned by the first stage the second stage would go without needing cleaning out as often and should in theory anyway produce cleaner oil.

@PABioSupply 2 күн бұрын

Honestly, a centrifuge is going to catch so much debris that goes through a filter. You might as well save the money and not bother prefiltering unless dealing with WVO.

@henmich 4 ай бұрын

The centrifuge idea came to me when I had a grease car. I discovered something cool, that you can add to your list of useless information you know too. Isetta cars had a centrifugal oil filter/cleaner.

@PABioSupply 4 ай бұрын

@@henmich The list is only useless if you don't do anything with it. 😉 What's your idea though?

@henmich 4 ай бұрын

@@PABioSupply it was to clean my oil for my grease car, but my new idea is to see if it works on high iron content water coming into my house.

@henmich 4 ай бұрын

I also thought it would be good to try and do a magnetic coupling, so there would never be a leak issue at the motor shaft.

@PABioSupply 4 ай бұрын

@@henmich It's certainly a possibility. We've had clients use the Ultimate Force for removing sediments from alkaline solutions before. If you have time and a welder, some folks have used a torque converter - gotta be careful though and make sure it's balanced.

@walt8238 3 ай бұрын

You need a drain valve on the bottom of the heater. It acts as an oil water separator just based on design then the heat really helps it separate so you don't want all that water sitting in the bottom of the heater being steamec or even boiled into the oil above it so you want to add enough pipe and valve to the bottom of heater to get it away from the heat and you need to drain after every use

@PABioSupply 2 күн бұрын

There is a plug on the bottom of the heater that can be removed.

@bryansmith2649 4 ай бұрын

I saw a hack in an old magazine. They set a bucket of dirty oil on the workbench and a clean bucket on the floor they used a piece of rope stuck in the dirty oil that wicked the oil up the rope and down to drip into the clean bucket like a siphon. They ran the rope through a hose as it went over the edge of the upper bucket to keep it from dripping down the side. They claimed that it filtered out the carbon deposits in the dirty oil. I’ve wanted to experiment with this for a few years but haven’t had the time to try it yet. Perhaps it might be useful to you or someone else.

@MahirOthman-p2p 2 ай бұрын

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@DrumFFx 3 ай бұрын

is the hydrocarbon chemical structure of the oil different from fresh oil? or is it just suspended particles? there has to be a way to get it clear

@tcmtech7515 4 ай бұрын

A simple and cheap way to do ultra-fine (~1 micron ) physical filtering is to buy a stainless steel house filter body online and just use regular poly-based home water filters in it. The materials most filters are made of have moderate to high compatibility ratings with common oils and diesel/kerosine/jet fuels. With proper pre-treatment to settle out the solids and water a cheap $3 - $4 1 micron rated 2" x 10" home water filter cartridge can easily do 100+ gallons of used oil.

@PABioSupply 4 ай бұрын

We'll be doing a video pumping oil through a 1 micron bag filter, and then running it through a centrifuge. May do lab results as well.....

@dmerchant2 Ай бұрын

@@PABioSupply please do lab results! It would be really cool to see what it shows after 1 pass and 2 passes etc

@CarlosRamirez-col 3 ай бұрын

Good morning, I have a question. In This black diésel the viscosity its higher than the normal diésel, that not afect The motor or its performance? or should we add something to low the viscosity?

@PABioSupply 3 ай бұрын

@@CarlosRamirez-col We have another video coming out about viscosity. Black Diesel can have a thicker viscosity depending on the engine. Typically people will dilute it with RUG in the range of 10-20%.

@eby6114 4 ай бұрын

When you get a chance consider buying a video recorder that records sideways. Thanks for the video

@magicone9327 3 ай бұрын

Just need to rotate the phone to landscape instead of using portrait position. No different equipment needed.

@PABioSupply 3 ай бұрын

The videos were intended to go on social media, hence the format. Appreciate the feedback though and other videos will be landscape!

@kazparzyxzpenualt8111 4 ай бұрын

Have you ever tried to cook the sludge? Is there any more to evaporate from it and perhaps the right catalyst might solidify that jello like material into a kind of bakelight or primative plastic? My first thought was asphalt when I saw it. Have you considered blending it with sand. It has to be toxic with heavy metals though right? One thought might be adding bio-char material to aggregate it and that might stabilize it as a solid. Dunno though. Thanks for the centrifuge tour, that was really neat!

@PABioSupply 3 ай бұрын

I have never tried 🤔

@excitedbox5705 3 ай бұрын

Oil coats the stick so the stick will not turn read once it reaches the water level

@DerfOrNuffin Ай бұрын

Whay do ypu think of nature jab turning plastic into diesel?

@PABioSupply Ай бұрын

@@DerfOrNuffin I haven't looked into his work to much... From what I've seen it looks like a lot of wasted energy when motor oil or veggie oil is plentiful.

@alexsmelly2263 3 ай бұрын

How long can you typically run the unit before you need to clean it. I understand it'll be based on how dirty your oil is

@PABioSupply 3 ай бұрын

@@alexsmelly2263 I recommend cleaning it after every run....only takes a few minutes. I've had 300+ gallon runs of WMO and cleaned it afterwards and it was fine. For WVO, it'll be much dirtier. I would recommend checking it after 150 gallons.

@GusgusA1 3 ай бұрын

You said 3 phase. Do you need 3 phase power for that centrifuge?

@PABioSupply 3 ай бұрын

Everything is single-phase compatible. For the model in the video, a 120V single phase VFD converts the power to 3 phase so we can overdrive the motor past 3,600 rpm.

@goofypettiger 4 ай бұрын

I wonder if some of that sludge is the "additive package" that is added to the base oil, to give it multi-viscosity properties. It is still good to remove it, but by removing it, it is most definitely no longer 'motor oil'. It is probably something closer to hydraulic oil? I read a lot of guys talking about synthetic oil is not optimum to use as black diesel but if the additives are removed, maybe then it no longer resists burning? I don't know. Just thinking out loud here :D

@PABioSupply 4 ай бұрын

In our experience (And hundreds of customers) synthetic oil is not a problem to burn. Its all going to be mixed into conventional oil anyways at a shop into one container. Now, some hydraulic oil is heat resistant.....something to watch out for but its pretty rare to come across that stuff. Now those additives in the oil during combustion - I've never heard of it being a concern. I do know that ATF has additves, and its actually an old timers trick to add it to your fuel tank to clean the fuel system and injectors off. I've run my 7.3 on 90% straight ATF (Plus the 10% diesel I had in the fuel tank to being with) and it cleaned up my injection pump and injectors really well....

@rebekahfrench5747 4 ай бұрын

High carbon grease how cool..😂😂

@GusgusA1 3 ай бұрын

Can you mix synthetic and conventional used oil?

@PABioSupply 3 ай бұрын

@@GusgusA1 Yes, it's going to be mixed when coming from a mechanic shop anyways. We have not found any adverse effects from it in our engines, or our customers.

@RollingThunder85 17 күн бұрын

How much for that centrifuge? I checked 1,899.99 wow

@PABioSupply 2 күн бұрын

Its an investment, it only takes 400ish gallons to break even on that investment though. For some its a matter of days, others a few months. It pays for itself quickly

@jimschaffroth5652 4 ай бұрын

Does the centrifuge seperate the water? Most shops around here dump their antifreeze into their oil tanks

@kb3kyx Ай бұрын

No, it won't. It'll only separate out solid/heavy particles.

@walt8238 3 күн бұрын

Yes the centrifuge separates water and particulars to the outside of the bowl oil on the inside and clean oil out the top inside. The bowl can only hold a little bit of water before it needs to be shut off and drained. The heater also separates oil and water and evaporates water off.

@PABioSupply 2 күн бұрын

Our Ultimate Force Centrifuge can remove water in a few ways. 1. The bowl will catch up to a 1/2 gallon of water and emulsified oil. This is usually orange in color. 2. The inline heater will cause residual amounts to evaporate 3. The P-Trap and T-Fittings provided will stop the moisture from entering the clean oil container.

@mattg8787 Ай бұрын

what makes them worth 2 to 3k

@PABioSupply 28 күн бұрын

@@mattg8787 If you frequently use diesel, you only need to produce 400 gallons of fuel to break even. They cost money and time to cast in aluminum and CNC work for the steel bowl. Then you have a motor, seals, bolts, and other miscellaneous parts plus the hose kit, heater kit, plumbing kit, etc.

@hankclingingsmith8707 4 ай бұрын

Interesting

@DrumFFx 3 ай бұрын

so particles under one micron is why it’s black?

@berthelvetic1923 3 ай бұрын

You can't use recycled oil in a diesel engine after 2007 manufacturing. The best engine are with mechanical injectors , befor 1990. As soon you have dpf, or worse scr exhaust system, you have to use clean diesel.

@PABioSupply 2 күн бұрын

Thats mostly correct. We are having more & more customers experiment in newer diesels with success. They MUST be deleted and usually the cp3 pump is upgraded.

@lafarms 4 ай бұрын

I may be missing something here, does the volume above the cone fill with centrifuged oil before it starts to come out the three curved slots?

@PABioSupply 4 ай бұрын

@@lafarms Yes. The oil fills up inside the bowl and forms a "C" shape around the cone towards th center of the bowl.

@lafarms 4 ай бұрын

@@PABioSupply Thank you, I watched a couple more times and now realize your explanation of the inner bowl being quite full. The heavy sludge stays pinned against the outside and the thinner cleaner oil "floats" until it spills out the slots.

@PABioSupply 4 ай бұрын

@@lafarms Yep! That's how it works!

@rebekahfrench5747 4 ай бұрын

The cone directs bigger solids to the floor.. but not overly needed when u understand centrifugal force acting on the liquid.. bowl height and diameter are more important in relation to vent diameter..