How to Combo with Falco (Fastfallers) - Super Smash Bros. Melee

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@Check_5_
@Check_5_ 8 жыл бұрын
"I want you to turn on Melee right now and do this combo" Dude it's like midnight for me right now. How did you know it was the perfect time to play Melee
@MinecrafterK3N
@MinecrafterK3N 8 жыл бұрын
+Chugga Chugga Choo Choo Kira with the hard reads lol
@haz9472
@haz9472 8 жыл бұрын
Bruh it's 5am no time for melee
@joshuaflud1734
@joshuaflud1734 8 жыл бұрын
There are no brakes on the Melee Train friend >:]
@cptcolgenltmajor9246
@cptcolgenltmajor9246 8 жыл бұрын
i read your comment at 12:07am
@Rael0505
@Rael0505 4 жыл бұрын
those are prime melee hours
@SSBMTutorials
@SSBMTutorials 8 жыл бұрын
The people will never know how hard it was to make a video like this. Took like 2 full days just to write the script only. Maybe like 3 other people in the world would have been able to explain how to combo in 7 minutes. Little kids have it so easy these days. Back in my day.... /ego
@lucmccutcheon6703
@lucmccutcheon6703 8 жыл бұрын
thanks for the content!
@RaidsEpicly
@RaidsEpicly 8 жыл бұрын
+SSBM Tutorials This is an amazing video? Any chance of something similar for captain falcon? I really like the way you present this, breaking down comboing like this makes it seem so much more doable for newer players like me!
@345legendofzelda
@345legendofzelda 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video!
@SSBMTutorials
@SSBMTutorials 8 жыл бұрын
+RaidsEpicly We're doing every video for every character, everyone pls stop asking =(
@justgas1903
@justgas1903 8 жыл бұрын
+SSBM Tutorials For the tournament, is there an age limit?
@jakenator13
@jakenator13 8 жыл бұрын
well that depends is it an African falco? or a European falco?
@SpankinDaBagel
@SpankinDaBagel 8 жыл бұрын
I can appreciate this comment.
@cieele
@cieele 8 жыл бұрын
+jakenator13 I, I... I don't know that!
@NowhereMan789
@NowhereMan789 8 жыл бұрын
That depends. What is the air-speed velocity of an unladen Falco?
@cieele
@cieele 8 жыл бұрын
donovan weekley I recently did a scene in my theatre class of the entire exchange between the Bridgekeeper and the knights; whole mess of fun that one was.
@coreyatwell1317
@coreyatwell1317 7 жыл бұрын
In order for falco's to maintain air velocity they must shine 43 times per second.
@DarkheroNateX
@DarkheroNateX 8 жыл бұрын
Personally, I prefer the air
@johnnycrash4892
@johnnycrash4892 5 жыл бұрын
Is that a reference to something?
@ashersmasher2313
@ashersmasher2313 5 жыл бұрын
@@johnnycrash4892 yes, it's a reference to the critically acclaimed game called Hogan's Castle
@johnnycrash4892
@johnnycrash4892 5 жыл бұрын
@@ashersmasher2313 really?
@ashersmasher2313
@ashersmasher2313 5 жыл бұрын
@@johnnycrash4892 no lol. It's a Falco quote. I thought my sarcasm was pretty obvious
@animacionesesteban8963
@animacionesesteban8963 3 жыл бұрын
*Personally, Ai prefer di er*
@GreatWonderMoose
@GreatWonderMoose 8 жыл бұрын
Who wins in Fox vs. Falco? Yes.
@palmstoface
@palmstoface 8 жыл бұрын
+WondrousMoose lol I like that xD
@VentusWK
@VentusWK 8 жыл бұрын
YES wins? So Falcon?
@TA-ew9bi
@TA-ew9bi 7 жыл бұрын
WondrousMoose who wins in fox vs falco? X=12
@zoo3708
@zoo3708 8 жыл бұрын
Between the falco videos on this channel and squids guide you guys have made it so fun to learn falco. This one in particular and squids guide are probably the two best guides in melee ever created IMO. Thanks for the hard work.
@LudusMachinae
@LudusMachinae 8 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU. finally a guide that doesnt just show off combos, but also tells me where i should start when learning them.
@hevuhevuvikings2733
@hevuhevuvikings2733 Жыл бұрын
True
@hahahalala-i1x
@hahahalala-i1x 8 жыл бұрын
Falco comprees the mishun better than fox
@rat4992
@rat4992 5 жыл бұрын
took me a second
@bucketfullabiscuits7865
@bucketfullabiscuits7865 8 жыл бұрын
Mango is going to make 50 accounts to have 25 say fox and 25 say falco
@otg3965
@otg3965 8 жыл бұрын
Mango dropped Falco.
@fiblett
@fiblett 8 жыл бұрын
+OfficialThatGuy he also says his falco is going to make a huge comeback!
@kered13
@kered13 8 жыл бұрын
+OfficialThatGuy He still likes Falco versus Leffen and Mew2King, but Leffen can't attend most tournament, and Mew2King hasn't been playing at his best, while Armada and HBox are the biggest threats right now, and he feels like Fox and Marth have a better chance against them.
@fabiangardon3773
@fabiangardon3773 8 жыл бұрын
+kered13 Leffens at eglx, his visa issues got solved. We probably will see him in the upcoming tournaments. And he used falco at Summit vs Armada the whole set. He said and quote: "I was feeling the Falco at practice", and he used it in the actual match.
@kered13
@kered13 8 жыл бұрын
EGLX is in Canada, he visa issues only affect the US.
@dannylee7335
@dannylee7335 8 жыл бұрын
This is EXACTLY what I was looking for!
@chilidili
@chilidili 8 жыл бұрын
damn im always coming back to this video. yes that's pathetic that i just havent memorized it but i just forget stuff there is a lot here. thanks dudes.
@SSBMTutorials
@SSBMTutorials 8 жыл бұрын
its very difficult and requires a lot of practice. good luck!
@iP0STcomments
@iP0STcomments 8 жыл бұрын
Shine sound in slow motion sounds sweet, well every hit in slow motion sounds sweet. It reminds me of basketball for some reason.
@OWmofat
@OWmofat 8 жыл бұрын
I can't believe you made a tutorial on cheating.
@Nick-ex8wm
@Nick-ex8wm 6 жыл бұрын
@@Pickleknotts either that or he was memeing bro
@reelgitarzs4nubz
@reelgitarzs4nubz 5 жыл бұрын
@@Nick-ex8wm it's obvious irony
@johnnycrash4892
@johnnycrash4892 5 жыл бұрын
I cant believe 39 people actually thought OP was serious
@4thwallbreaker843
@4thwallbreaker843 4 жыл бұрын
Your video helps me a lot in playing Melee. I'm not going to lie but you're my best channel of learning to play Melee better
@LoLRyku
@LoLRyku 8 жыл бұрын
Whichever one of the spacies mango is playing at the time
@tuanisthename
@tuanisthename 7 жыл бұрын
"first things first, i want you guys to know this guy is NOT the end all be all" FALCO WILL HAVE HIS MOMENT TO SHINE
@BathoryDusk
@BathoryDusk 8 жыл бұрын
I genuinely believe Falco beats Fox.
@Seank7
@Seank7 8 жыл бұрын
I think he beats fox at any level other than High or Top. At those higher levels, it SEEMS like its either even or slightly in Fox's favour, but that's just my observation as a low level player.
@jw7-g3e
@jw7-g3e 8 жыл бұрын
+Seank7 PAL player here, i REALLY think falco beats fox ;)
@MrClashGuru
@MrClashGuru 8 жыл бұрын
+Jonas W stay in Europe
@Noahtheorigianl
@Noahtheorigianl 8 жыл бұрын
+Jonas W mango dropped falco because at really high level of play, falco is slowly becoming un-viable
@jw7-g3e
@jw7-g3e 8 жыл бұрын
KuiNoah not true. He dropped falco because the falco metagame shifts in a direction where he needed to play falcon in a way he doesnt want to an he hopes the meta shifts bach. Watch his VOD one more time ;)
@raize7209
@raize7209 8 жыл бұрын
the pause and shine sound are so good in slow mo
@hayabusa5930
@hayabusa5930 8 жыл бұрын
Hmm, if MaNg0's doing bad with Falco, Fox. If he's doing well with Falco, Falco.
@BreakfastKids
@BreakfastKids 5 жыл бұрын
Hayabusa truest comment
@davidlian1578
@davidlian1578 8 жыл бұрын
Best tutorial yet Kira! This video really helped me understand how to harness the power of falco's combos. :)
@t1glistenerelf
@t1glistenerelf 8 жыл бұрын
Fox may have better matchups overall, but Falco beats Fox by a slight but significant margin. Falco has more reach on his moves (sans his Shine,) and Falco can punish Fox with his combo game harder than any other character.
@ssgsaxgamer4902
@ssgsaxgamer4902 5 жыл бұрын
This is definitely not true, marth and sheik punishes fox much harder than falco can
@actually_well_
@actually_well_ 4 жыл бұрын
@@ssgsaxgamer4902 what does that have to do with falco vs fox?
@ssgsaxgamer4902
@ssgsaxgamer4902 4 жыл бұрын
@@actually_well_ I think when I made that comment I was responding to the statement that falco can punish fox harder than any other character
@ssgsaxgamer4902
@ssgsaxgamer4902 4 жыл бұрын
@@actually_well_ but in response to the actual mu, fox wins because he has a lot of guaranteed true combos on falco, whereas falco doesn't have the same against fox. Fox can kill falco at any percent, combo at any percent, gimps etc. etc. better tools in the neutral (arguably) the MU is probably 60-40 or 65-35 for fox
@actually_well_
@actually_well_ 4 жыл бұрын
@@ssgsaxgamer4902 oh I'm stupid, I should have read the original comment a little better, my bad. That makes sense
@kjez
@kjez 7 жыл бұрын
This video has like 100 hours worth of practice/learning material in 7 and a half minutes. My god
@MediHusky
@MediHusky 7 жыл бұрын
So what are you waiting for?
@animaIpath
@animaIpath 8 жыл бұрын
Fox vs Falco is 50/50 imo
@asellape9270
@asellape9270 8 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@ShucklesD3
@ShucklesD3 8 жыл бұрын
+The Alchemist League More like 50.5, 49.5. The match-up is literally dead even but Fox just has so much speed he can out maneuver Falco easy.
@asellape9270
@asellape9270 8 жыл бұрын
+ShucklesD3 yeah, maybe. I personally think that Falco is the best character, but I don't know
@mahkramsaile4732
@mahkramsaile4732 8 жыл бұрын
People are gonna hate me for saying that Fox's combos are just as good as Falco's, but it's so true. Up air, Up smash, Up throw, and tech chasing is all you need, and you WILL 0-death Falco if you execute correctly, whereas with Falco most of his combos are 50/50 DI mix ups that aren't guaranteed. Once you get Falco to percents where up air stops giving you follow ups, just bair/shine them offstage and get a free edge guard. Boom. 0-death. In the neutral all you have to do against Falco is powershield (it's not that hard guys) and then use your superior APM to beat him out. Fox obviously has the edge (kek) when edge guarding, he has just as good (if not better) combo game, and arguably better neutral game. All this comes from a Fox main who gets very little practice against Falco and tends to perform quite poorly against them. I am personally mediocre in the MU, but at least I can realize that it's my fault and not just a favorable MU for Falco. In short, Fox wins.
@MyTopo14
@MyTopo14 8 жыл бұрын
You wrote a literally text with 20+ lines of personal opinion which do not have antything close to reality...
@waffles5306
@waffles5306 8 жыл бұрын
+MyTopo14 lol
@mahkramsaile4732
@mahkramsaile4732 8 жыл бұрын
MyTopo14 Tell me why I'm wrong, and how giving factual ways to combo Falco is opinion based.
@ProgressiveConservative
@ProgressiveConservative 7 жыл бұрын
honestly a lot of what u said is true. to win matches falco has to outplay fox whereas fox can steal games from falco he doesn't deserve through gimps and shit. Falco has to work harder to win the matchup but i do think it's an even matchup still.
@axelkingdomhearts6904
@axelkingdomhearts6904 8 жыл бұрын
I gotta go with fox. Once you can get around falco lasers effectively, Fox creams him in neutral game. Falco has an easier time in the matchup but if fox knows how to punish, i think its kinda 60/40
@FishamanP
@FishamanP 8 жыл бұрын
The parts about waveshining depending on which side the shine hits on, and the weak vs. strong followups were actually incredibly helpful. Thanks! Falco wins slightly on FD, but it's even to Fox's favor on every other stage.
@MrClashGuru
@MrClashGuru 8 жыл бұрын
+FishamanP what about fox chaingrabs
@FishamanP
@FishamanP 8 жыл бұрын
Mike McG Fox can still get them to 50-60% on every other stage, so it's not that different. On the other hand, Fox can't use platforms to avoid lasers on FD.
@MrClashGuru
@MrClashGuru 8 жыл бұрын
FishamanP no foxes chances of 0-deathing falco are much higher if he uses uptilts to continue the chaingrab, similar to marth
@FishamanP
@FishamanP 8 жыл бұрын
Mike McG And Falco's chances of 0-deathing Fox?
@MrClashGuru
@MrClashGuru 8 жыл бұрын
+FishamanP that isn't as guaranteed as foxes
@ThatOneScienceGuy
@ThatOneScienceGuy 6 жыл бұрын
I love Falco. He’s so much fun to combo with. His down air is so lovely, and his shine throws people up. It’s great. I just wish his up B was stronger.
@joecastaneda6195
@joecastaneda6195 3 жыл бұрын
If he had fox’s up b he’d be the best character in the game
@y0shling
@y0shling 3 жыл бұрын
@@joecastaneda6195 no
@ReavenM1911A1
@ReavenM1911A1 2 жыл бұрын
@@joecastaneda6195 He already is the best character in the game without fox's up B. Falco players just cant stand their character having a single part of hit kit that isn't the best in the game
@yurplethepurple2064
@yurplethepurple2064 Жыл бұрын
@@ReavenM1911A1what part of falco’s kit is better than fox’s besides laser
@ReavenM1911A1
@ReavenM1911A1 Жыл бұрын
@@yurplethepurple2064 I mean everything except movespeed upsmash upair upb and throws. Even Falco shine is better 99.9% of times, getting shield poked by a fox shine loses you neutral and stage position unless they're Hax$. Getting shield stabbed by Johnnyfalco2007 leads to a 80%+ combo because Falco's the easiest character in the game to combo with
@pollutedsouldier
@pollutedsouldier 8 жыл бұрын
I just woke up my parents from practicing too much tech skill lol.
@mxm6
@mxm6 8 жыл бұрын
sheik needle guide plssssssssssssssss
@qazwsx60827
@qazwsx60827 8 жыл бұрын
+Cedric M word
@itsOZone
@itsOZone 8 жыл бұрын
+Cedric M how to combo with shiek: grab, d-throw, aerial
@mxm6
@mxm6 8 жыл бұрын
+myOZone no nerd, video about using needles
@itsOZone
@itsOZone 8 жыл бұрын
Cedric M b on the ground it goes straight b in the air it goes 90 degrees.
@mxm6
@mxm6 8 жыл бұрын
+myOZone noce meme friend
@Tobbeh99
@Tobbeh99 8 жыл бұрын
I'd say it's even. People say like "just powershield lasers" and Fox wins. But I haven't seen much consistency of that, and even if you do, you get like 1% and a good projectile to cover your approach. And Falcos will obviously adapt to it, learning how to deal with laser coming back at him. There is also the mute/fake laser, or whatever it called, where you do it so low it doesn't come out, could be used as a mind game since some players try to react to the sound, and then making them shield unnecessarily. I also think that Falcos punish-game is a lot easier and cleaner than Foxs, and that Foxs requires more precision to really like 0-death Falco, while Falcos is more true and have more variations. Falco also have more range on his moves than Fox, and an AC B-air which is really safe, and also is heavier, meaning better CC. So y, I think it's pretty much even. Falco probably wins the MU at non-top level, but at top level it's pretty much even.
@catsaur
@catsaur 8 жыл бұрын
Please make a floaties for falco combos. I deal with a peach everyday :c
@refletgames3095
@refletgames3095 8 жыл бұрын
+ktn i deal with "paralize spam" zero suit spamus
@BryanMotives
@BryanMotives 8 жыл бұрын
+TheAsianGamerDuo pretty sure we're not talking about sm4sh
@dariosusu1529
@dariosusu1529 8 жыл бұрын
+Funny Motives could be he means PM
@Manueljlin
@Manueljlin 7 жыл бұрын
I have to deal with pickachu most of the time
@Pavel7918
@Pavel7918 7 жыл бұрын
Reflet games jump over it
@ImWeirdBoy
@ImWeirdBoy 8 жыл бұрын
I'm going to watch this video over and over and over again, until I can do this flawlessly.
@BlazeTaleo
@BlazeTaleo 8 жыл бұрын
If both players are very good I'd say fox barely, if both players are all right at the game or bad then 100% falco
@Tobbeh99
@Tobbeh99 8 жыл бұрын
I think the question in the end was a really good one. Do more MU stuff, maybe like Falcon - Sheik, can the 20GX beat their demon? Or other controversial MUs like Falco - Peach, Falco - Icies, Pika - Marth etc.
@armlesskirby
@armlesskirby 8 жыл бұрын
Who wins Fox v Falco? Just ask Mango. He knows the definitive answer
@TheRisingLlama
@TheRisingLlama 8 жыл бұрын
lollll best comment
@Jimmy-fu3lq
@Jimmy-fu3lq 8 жыл бұрын
That's true, if you think about it he is basically the only top player thats played both spacies at the top level
@lilmich8328
@lilmich8328 8 жыл бұрын
+KZbin Account Mango said that falco wins. He based this on the fact that he started winning with falco more. He's not the person whose opinion you should look for.
@ProgressiveConservative
@ProgressiveConservative 7 жыл бұрын
mango says its even but falco has to work harder than fox does because u won't score any easy gimps or anything like that.
@tionaus
@tionaus 5 жыл бұрын
It’s so satisfying seeing a good falco.
@CheeseManFuu
@CheeseManFuu 8 жыл бұрын
I realize it's not directly a Melee tutorial, but what about a video about how to find what specifications in controllers are better/fit you? I know I hear a lot about silvers being amazing, stiff and loose analog sticks/triggers, etc.
@ryansanders9273
@ryansanders9273 8 жыл бұрын
This is actually a great idea
@SSBMTutorials
@SSBMTutorials 8 жыл бұрын
+CheeseManFuu The controller barely matters, all you need is something that can shield drop. Put enough hours into your controller and it will become a "good" controller
@SSBMTutorials
@SSBMTutorials 8 жыл бұрын
+CheeseManFuu Shield drops are done by manually notching your controller so it doesnt matter which one you pick
@BOBALOO919
@BOBALOO919 8 жыл бұрын
This video taught me a lot of cool things that I'm absolutely not going to remember.
@dedleg0219
@dedleg0219 8 жыл бұрын
What is an easy way to beat event 50 and 51 so I can get FD?
@akifcevik2272
@akifcevik2272 8 жыл бұрын
+Sanic Hedgehog I used marth for event 51, it was pretty ok. Just know you're gonna have to reset a good few times
@SSBMTutorials
@SSBMTutorials 8 жыл бұрын
+Sanic Hedgehog 51 what I did as a kid was pick Puff and Side B > Rest against Giga bowser until he died
@akifcevik2272
@akifcevik2272 8 жыл бұрын
Jltn Puff sounds like such a good idea. Wish I thought of that before.
@rwsh6536
@rwsh6536 8 жыл бұрын
+Sanic for event 50... ganon upsmash or yoshi down air both do ridiculous hp damage. ganon's up smash can hit the base part of the glove when the hands are in neutral position
@truelink64
@truelink64 8 жыл бұрын
+Sanic Hedgehog For event 51, spam lasers with Fox. The AI shields it if it's a good distance away from you.
@dariusguidry9385
@dariusguidry9385 7 жыл бұрын
This is what I need to finally win against my friends! Thanks!
@SA3Future
@SA3Future 8 жыл бұрын
Ask Mang0, not us
@edsoncharlotin8755
@edsoncharlotin8755 8 жыл бұрын
0-40 combo on FD can be done in many ways f-smash combos need to be utilized , shout outs to lambchops/beerman for the best DI mixups }
@jonathanvinesar9023
@jonathanvinesar9023 8 жыл бұрын
should I press y to get out of shine, or x?
@SSBMTutorials
@SSBMTutorials 8 жыл бұрын
Doesn't matter, all personal preference
@jonathanvinesar9023
@jonathanvinesar9023 8 жыл бұрын
+SSBM Tutorials thanks!
@jonathanvinesar9023
@jonathanvinesar9023 8 жыл бұрын
+SSBM Tutorials another question actually (sorry, new to the melee competitive scene) is it a bad habit for me to pretty much only use tap jump with the exception to wave dashing and shine canceling? should I try to get used to pressing x or y?
@SSBMTutorials
@SSBMTutorials 8 жыл бұрын
no
@jonathanvinesar9023
@jonathanvinesar9023 8 жыл бұрын
+SSBM Tutorials thanks again! and thanks for these great vids!
@KashiwaDaisuke
@KashiwaDaisuke 8 жыл бұрын
onstage: falco offstage: fox overall: 50:50
@Nareg95
@Nareg95 8 жыл бұрын
falco> fox. I'm a ganandorf main lol so i like spiking if you know what i mean.
@michaelschlag
@michaelschlag 8 жыл бұрын
+Nareg95 wow very impressive
@Nareg95
@Nareg95 8 жыл бұрын
+Michael Schlag ?
@PoisonXLZ
@PoisonXLZ 8 жыл бұрын
+Nareg95 Ganon doesn't have a spike.
@Nareg95
@Nareg95 8 жыл бұрын
+Poison- is down air and end of his up air are both spikes, you can't tech the up air spike tho so i use that a lot
@PoisonXLZ
@PoisonXLZ 8 жыл бұрын
Nareg95 Neither of those are spikes. His down-b is a spike when used in the air though.
@TA-ew9bi
@TA-ew9bi 8 жыл бұрын
When the mid/floaty combo video comes out I'll never lose again
@CyelV0
@CyelV0 8 жыл бұрын
Falco is better in the neutral, but fox is better to edgeguard with
@LuisGMJVM
@LuisGMJVM 8 жыл бұрын
Exactly what I think. Falco shuts Fox down, but once Fox gets Falco offstage, he's likely dead.
@sothisistheend
@sothisistheend 8 жыл бұрын
That's what I think
@thesaucypickle9866
@thesaucypickle9866 8 жыл бұрын
+Memo_Mj yes but I believe its more important to have the neutral game (in the fox vs. falco mu anyways)
@mahkramsaile4732
@mahkramsaile4732 8 жыл бұрын
+iNSOMNIACssbm Jesus, just powershield. People are dumb if they complain about lasers but don't do shit to prepare against them. It's really not that hard, combined practice that I put in for powershielding is probably just a few hours, and I can do it pretty consistently at this point, in and out of tournament. Aside from lasers, Falco has slightly larger hitboxes for the neutral, but Fox's superior APM beats that out in my opinion.
@thesaucypickle9866
@thesaucypickle9866 8 жыл бұрын
Mahkram Saile regardless of lasers flaco's neutral is till better
@ktulu6315
@ktulu6315 8 жыл бұрын
Fox vs Falco. Depends on player. Usually fox wins more tournaments but Falco has way more combo options. So take your pick.
@TurbinationE
@TurbinationE 8 жыл бұрын
Fox has a better matchup spread.
@Wizzkidwas
@Wizzkidwas 8 жыл бұрын
Falco cuz Lasers and dair and shine and stuff i dunno
@Wizzkidwas
@Wizzkidwas 8 жыл бұрын
Joshy Zamael then there's away around Fox's stuff
@tylerwills7887
@tylerwills7887 8 жыл бұрын
+Wizzkidwas perfect shielding Falco's lasers
@Datpiff_Admin
@Datpiff_Admin 8 жыл бұрын
+Tyler Wills that's pretty short sighted. Falcon could just as easily power shield back or laser cancel as a mix up. Falco's laser will always be an objective advantage
@miguelrmusic8236
@miguelrmusic8236 8 жыл бұрын
+Not Thomas It's harder to powershield the lasers back as falco because the sound is not there. When you shoot a laser, it isn't as much of an advantage as it's made out to be (unless sound is turned off) because the SOUND is easier to react to than visual cue. Lasers simply aren't as dominant in the meta as before, and powershield laser is becoming more prominent and common.
@Datpiff_Admin
@Datpiff_Admin 8 жыл бұрын
+M16U1_D4_5CHKRU8 power shielding has an audio cue as well, so what's stopping falco players from anticipating that. The meta is shifting, but that's simply because fox is the most concentrated character in terms of the meta being pushed. Once falco players adapt, however long that takes, it will again place favor on falco
@DrizzyDrayg
@DrizzyDrayg 8 жыл бұрын
It's 50:50. That's why its the best matchup
@stinky_lizard
@stinky_lizard 8 жыл бұрын
casually asks which spacie is better I'd say Falco swags way harder but fox gets the best results
@TurbinationE
@TurbinationE 8 жыл бұрын
+Johnny Petes I think Fox's combos are cooler. Send them flying back and forth across the stage
@stinky_lizard
@stinky_lizard 8 жыл бұрын
TurbinationE well that's an unpopular opinion brotha
@chilidili
@chilidili 8 жыл бұрын
this is such an insanely good vid like damn
@OWmofat
@OWmofat 8 жыл бұрын
"As long as you don't suck you can continually combo your opponent to death, as falco is a brain dead and automatic character"
@petephelp971
@petephelp971 Жыл бұрын
Man are we lucky uncle punch exists
@rocklobster6412
@rocklobster6412 8 жыл бұрын
Fox wins NTSC Falco wins PAL
@Manueljlin
@Manueljlin 7 жыл бұрын
wh
@bento5681
@bento5681 7 жыл бұрын
Rock Lobster what? Why?
@mini8964
@mini8964 7 жыл бұрын
Rock Lobster Falco got way worse than fox in pal
@pascaldesjardins9835
@pascaldesjardins9835 6 жыл бұрын
Big thanks for all your videos. Alot of work and very precise job.
@tac5897
@tac5897 8 жыл бұрын
Falco wins
@tylerwills7887
@tylerwills7887 8 жыл бұрын
How does he win?
@patrickliu5994
@patrickliu5994 8 жыл бұрын
Falco wins 9 to one here's why: Coolness matchup: Falco Lasers matchup: Falco Arwing Pilot matchup: Falco Criminal Record matchup: Falco Ability to Fly matchup: Falco Staying out of Starfox Adventures matchup: Falco Swag matchup: Falco Beak matchup: Falco Blueness matchup: Falco Shine matchup: Fox
@cruz5248
@cruz5248 8 жыл бұрын
Who wins the Fox v Falco matchup? Falco of course. He wins 90 -10.
@allenyu4365
@allenyu4365 8 жыл бұрын
Low/Mid Lv: Fox can't deal with short hop lasers and pillaring fox as falco isn't too hard to learn, any falco who invests 2+ hours practicing pillaring will be able to destroy fox. IMO I strongly believe falco wins 60:40 at the very least in low lvl play, and falco wins 55:45 in mid level play High Lv: Foxes speed and raw tech skill starts to outshine(no pun intended) falco as falco starts to slow down due to a long jump squat and poor horizontal movement. Fox probably has an advantage 55:45
@1337wafflezz
@1337wafflezz 8 жыл бұрын
Roy is technically a fastfaller
@stegosoriz
@stegosoriz 8 жыл бұрын
+1337wafflezz yeah, i can personally say falco's shenanigans work pretty well on Roy
@Great_Poison
@Great_Poison 8 жыл бұрын
+1337wafflezz So is Bowser!
@Yaruzu
@Yaruzu 8 жыл бұрын
+stegosoriz Or should you say... shineanigans
@stegosoriz
@stegosoriz 8 жыл бұрын
***** niceme.me/
@1337wafflezz
@1337wafflezz 8 жыл бұрын
Max B. Bowser is actually somewhat floaty I think. He's kinda...middle tier. His weight is insane obviously but he doesn't fall as fast as roy. Maybe he's only a couple down from roy on the fastfall tier list? lol idk.
@plasticbudgie
@plasticbudgie 7 жыл бұрын
top level fox is debatable, to who ever is on form that day, for exmaple On point mango vs on point armada, gonna be fox, if Amrada lets mango into his head, mangos is just reading like a god falco.
@jeffreycanfield1939
@jeffreycanfield1939 8 жыл бұрын
Falco wins 90-10
@Pavel7918
@Pavel7918 7 жыл бұрын
Noob
@dripminic
@dripminic 7 жыл бұрын
Tyler Jones baited
@Pavel7918
@Pavel7918 7 жыл бұрын
Dominic Actually as I now realize he was referencing another ssbm tutorials video
@MrCurryCH
@MrCurryCH 8 жыл бұрын
fox wins it just by default; falcos options are a bit more limited compared to fox's; whereas fox has options for damn near anything. but lets be real here, falco is CLEARLY the character the most swag, and swag beats skill every time, so in a way, falco does kinda beat fox :p
@Ubebread1
@Ubebread1 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for uploading this video and the tutorials
@plaguedoctor3782
@plaguedoctor3782 8 жыл бұрын
Depends on certain situations. In PAL, Falco dominates even at the highest play due to less kill power with Fox. NTSC the line is blurred a fair bit. Depends on the player, West for example. On a technical perspective Fox wins at top level, any lower I feel it's even.
@gogajira2
@gogajira2 8 жыл бұрын
ive been starting off my neutral game combos with either running in laser crouch cancel down tilt or if theyre a decent percent just simply a dash attack normally followed up by sideB uptilt or nair. but with floaties especially peach full jumping ontop of them and shine just to stall in mid air when im close enough they throw out a down smash then dair/nairing
@voxelfusion9894
@voxelfusion9894 8 жыл бұрын
But, does down smash cover roll to the right?
@StandAlone3
@StandAlone3 8 жыл бұрын
Kira, I was wondering how you avoid entering "auto-pilot" mode and letting your brain shut off during sets. Do you have any advice for some way of doing that?
@SSBMTutorials
@SSBMTutorials 8 жыл бұрын
+Alex Sperandio Sometimes it's better to do that tbh. Lets you react faster. You can't think about every tiny decision in this game, it's just not possible. Otherwise pick a specific situation and tell yourself what you will change next time you get in it
@Frostbyte115
@Frostbyte115 8 жыл бұрын
Falco beats fox because his punish game is actually stronger for teching in a direction you get shined up into hit stun for an auto D-air set up. Anyone who says smash DI beats falco around hasn't seen what happens when fox gets smash DI'd. He literally loses his air kill set ups for up air. His shine can't get into position to spike and to be honest Falcos Illusion is just flat out faster. It also can punish if you miss trying to punish it with a spike hit box. His D-air covers ledge options of Foxes recovery as well as characters like Peach and Sheik (although sheiks is harder to punish). His lazers can gimp easily and his double jump is one of the highest. Yea Fox has a shine spike and better ground mobility but falco is an air demon as was his design. He was meant to conquer the air. His smashes minus up smash are majority stronger and his Shine can kill off the top of the stage with ease and even fox can suffer from it. But the fact that foxes D-air in comparison isn't much of a combo tool except at higher percents and on certain characters gives falco all the wiggle room he needs. He can take someone from 0% to 130% in a matter of seconds and his options for coverings after a shine are vastly larger than fox seeing as how much of foxes shine options are just wave options like wave shine to wave up smash or up tilt while can can wave shine wave Utilt, N-air, U-air, B-air, D-air, F-air. He just has a better set up game to force people to his will. you don't know how he will cover an option so your DI can be bad at any point. Fox can do short hop B-airs to cover DI that is moving behind him him but so too can falco and at a faster and higher range. He can catch recoveries that are going high without the use of a platform. Up B might be worse for falco but since a majority of his other tools such as air mobility, Jump Height, and even a shine that forces options that might not be advantageous. Falco just clearly wins it in my book. Yea again Foxes shine is a pretty ok counter because catching double jumps but falco can do the same but instead shine them up for a free back air and Fox cannot come back at all from that. Falco just true combo's earlier and can kill fox faster than fox can blink. I will point out the double shine d-air Mang0 pulled out as well as the many 4 stocks falcons have pulled on Leffen who I can say is one of the best fox players I have ever seen. I might not like Leffen but I can admit skill where it is and he has it. but even Westballz has proven Falco's strength. thats my data pools and proof on that match up. Thank you for the awesome video as I have been feeling like my falco game play just hasn't been up to snuff and this will help me out tremendously.
@KobeVadillo
@KobeVadillo 2 жыл бұрын
RIP melee anthers ladder 2022
@GuardianOfDandelions
@GuardianOfDandelions 8 жыл бұрын
6:23 So what you're saying is... it'll cover everything except the roll to the right?
@RoyaltyRecordsLTD
@RoyaltyRecordsLTD 8 жыл бұрын
This is outstanding.
@johnsother2440
@johnsother2440 8 жыл бұрын
In general, I believe Falco should take the victory. His lasers can keep Fox playing his game, and his combos are much better. He doesn't succumb easily to Fox's vertical hits, but Fox is easily killed by Falco's horizontal moves. The only issue would be shine spiking, but if the Falco is controlling the pace, it's a wrap for Falco. You have to be absolutely god-like as a Fox to defeat Falco, and even then, Falco can still take it.
@jpetrullo6890
@jpetrullo6890 8 жыл бұрын
this video was mind blowing
@oviecrosby1152
@oviecrosby1152 8 жыл бұрын
How to combo Floaties with Falco? Peach, Puff? And mid speed? Marth Sheik. Characters you shouldn't over extend against? Samus, Luigi. All of these would be very useful to know
@SSBMTutorials
@SSBMTutorials 8 жыл бұрын
To combo floaties, after the initial shine, double jump over them and fall with a dair. then uptilt don't over extend vs anyone. over-extending implies you went too far
@EeeGox
@EeeGox 8 жыл бұрын
I noticed that if u been using down air lately ( causes Stale-Move Negation) you can do one more down air shine, before it is tech able, if u start pillaring on 0 % :)
@Youngman141
@Youngman141 8 жыл бұрын
A tutorial on shield DI (how to do it/practice it and it's uses) would be GODLIKE
@hectorrios6871
@hectorrios6871 8 жыл бұрын
love falco. good video very help full
@heavycore1
@heavycore1 8 жыл бұрын
fox falco is 100% dependent on who the better player is
@Snoozie
@Snoozie 8 жыл бұрын
Fox and Falco are very even and it's hard to chose who would win. Falco definitely wins neutral but Fox also has heavy punish game on Falco and also has chain grabs at low % so I can't chose as it's all about how the game plays out.
@lucifersam7946
@lucifersam7946 8 жыл бұрын
Hey Kira, any thoughts on the addition of the SD Remix characters in the most recent version of 20XX?
@SSBMTutorials
@SSBMTutorials 8 жыл бұрын
+Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart Could not care less about SD Remix sorry, it's fun after you're done training, which for me is never
@lucifersam7946
@lucifersam7946 8 жыл бұрын
SSBM Tutorials It's understandable. Your quest to inform the masses and get a decent placing is an arduous one, indeed, but you are doing quite well.
@WastedHog
@WastedHog 8 жыл бұрын
+SSBM Tutorials Wouldn't want your spacies to have any competition, huh?
@SSBMTutorials
@SSBMTutorials 8 жыл бұрын
my quest is to get even better at the game, even more so than teaching
@lucifersam7946
@lucifersam7946 8 жыл бұрын
SSBM Tutorials Your and everyone else's, as well.
@mannyleunam3618
@mannyleunam3618 8 жыл бұрын
it's an even matchup,they both have an insane punish game on each other if Falco gets a shine combo it can lead to death and if fox gets a grab it can also be fatal
@pinkloserssbm6502
@pinkloserssbm6502 8 жыл бұрын
This was very helpful.
@cdillard928
@cdillard928 8 жыл бұрын
The MU is decided by who the crowd is cheering for. Falco is swaggier, so he wins more often.
@dahuterschuter
@dahuterschuter 7 жыл бұрын
The amount of work Falco has to do to finish Fox stocks vs the reverse makes Fox win.
@UheReasin
@UheReasin 8 жыл бұрын
Falco if the reads are hot, Fox if the shines are shinin.
@ValsNemesis
@ValsNemesis 8 жыл бұрын
I think that fox wins 65-35 because of faster movement, more kills options, and better recovery.
@davidpale5142
@davidpale5142 7 жыл бұрын
"Tooryyahhh" [Falco dies] ""Mission Compre"
@ColdFridge1
@ColdFridge1 8 жыл бұрын
Falco wins, unless the Fox is able to get grabs. Fox's grab on Falco is basically a Falco shine, as it's the best way to open him up and it leads to gigantic punishes and possible 0-deaths (not just on FD). If the Falco doesn't let the Fox get free grabs, Falco wins. Falco has the defensive options to deal with Fox (cc shine, amsah tech/sdi up the thunder's combo, utilt, AC bair, aerials in place, etc.) to deal with most of Fox's offense, and his lasers and shine are ridiculously broken af. At the end of the day though, I think this it the most even matchup in the entire game.
@lamestudiosinc418
@lamestudiosinc418 7 жыл бұрын
Remember, MUs and Tiers are all Hypothetical advantages. People can outplay anyone with enough skill and experience.
@leomeror
@leomeror 8 жыл бұрын
i think this is really helpful
@Kurono_Alien
@Kurono_Alien 8 жыл бұрын
I say Fox if he doesn't get hit and knows how to power shield well. All you really need to do is play like Marth, and since your moves are a bit quicker than Falco, it's a lot like playing just a really fast Marth in this matchup. At least that's my experience, I usually c-pick Fox on Falco or just play the ditto. So Fox 6-4 Falco.
@kapzillion1997
@kapzillion1997 7 жыл бұрын
How do I know if I hit the right or left side of fox? do you mean the direction foxes nose is pointing?? sorry, if this is a dumb question but I need some clarification about knowing which direction to wavedash.
@US4096
@US4096 8 жыл бұрын
i think fox vs falco is slightly favored in falco's favor at all stages of play - when a falco like westballz is playing on point, i think he gets way more off an opening in neutral on average compared to a top fox.
@briankane1300
@briankane1300 8 жыл бұрын
In what ways can I start the basic waveshine dair combo at low percents. I find when im playing I have trouble getting that initial shine
@kshrubb8676
@kshrubb8676 8 жыл бұрын
Just curious, what version of the game/20XX and what AI did you use to combo on the dummy Foxes?
@iMkZClanz
@iMkZClanz 8 жыл бұрын
Can you please make a how to combo with falco against floaties video? I know these videos take a while, so take as much time as you need, but I am really bad at comboing floaties. Thanks!
@roysrevengefgcstreamdumps1891
@roysrevengefgcstreamdumps1891 7 жыл бұрын
Falco dab @2:43
@juanpepi1348
@juanpepi1348 8 жыл бұрын
I've been practicing Falco for almost a year and im having a hard time shine wave-landing. can i get some insight on how to practice it.
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