How to conquer the Universe in 22 Minutes

Hello everyone! I have put a lot of thought into this video. And sorry for the sort of click baity title. I didnt want to spoil anything for anyone. Im not sure if the eyes planet part, or eye part would work. But I think its pretty possible to at least get our friends in the time loop with us! And Id be satisfied with that!
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[@mangle204]

Kinda wish Gabbro had a much bigger impact on the story, since he also is linked to the ATP

[@QualicSelf]

I’m amazed he is happy hammocking and basically doing nothing for infinite loops.

[@NightChime]

@@QualicSelf How Gabbro of him.

[@Joseph_S_Clark]

idk man, Gabbro being at the centre of everything and still just not giving af and happy to play his lil instrument and sleep at the campfire just makes sense

[@rachellewis6641]

I always thought that Gabbros purpose was to make the player feel un-special, and to confirm that you were just really lucky/unlucky. Totally agree though- I wonder how that would look?

[@FuzzyImages]

Right! I mean even if he wasn't an active participant (Given he doesn't have the translator) Like I imagine he would eventually get bored. Woulda been cool if we just periodically found him at different places, just chilling or having his own fun at times.

[@123890antonioj]

This is a bit late, but I always imagined how our character could spend countless loops mastering the art of writing in Nomai through trial and error with the translator, thus enabling us to perfectly answer everything Solanum has to ask us. Perhaps this could also aid in the reverse engineering and efforts towards saving the Hearthians?

[@TheLoreExplorer]

hmmm. wed have to take the staffs and figure out how they work as well. cause thats how they write. but, absolutely, thatd probably help a ton. Thats an excellent idea. But, did you know solanum doesnt know her clans gone. She may have an inkling, but shes only really been at the eye for 1 second. or has it been 1000 years? So wed probably have to be a bit careful, or else we may reveal something terrible.

[@spacetechempire510]

@@TheLoreExplorer we have infinite time we could just learn how to perfectly write in that language

[@lethequin]

@@TheLoreExplorer Even if the hearthian makes her go insane, cant we just die and have a new Solanum to talk with?

[@lethequin]

The hatchling: writes nomai Solanum:HOW DARE YOU! The hatchling: ::0

[@michaeledmunds7266]

"How to conquer the universe in 22 minutes", explained in 10 minutes and 9 seconds. Now that's efficiency.

[@sniks177]

Slick as Bat shit!

[@cinfdef]

Ahh, the benefits of time travel!

[@Delta_2209]

Another question I have is what would happen if two conscientious observers were at the Eye of the Universe at the same time?

[@TheLoreExplorer]

I dont think anything would change. Now im not sure what would happen if two ENTERED the eye at the same time. idk if theyd be separated or stay together or what. The eye may only let one person actually enter. but idt it could stop us from going to its planet.

[@edi3d3d]

Instructions where not clear. I ended up conquering the Milky Way and I’m heading to another universe rn

[@AttentiveDragon]

This is a neat theory. A slightly less-dangerous variation would be to avoid duplicating yourself, and simply do what Bill Murray did in "Groundhog Day." Just learn, and keep learning. It would take so much longer, since you are working alone, but you have a literal eternity to work with. Eventually, even if it takes centuries, the protagonist would take apart old Nomai tech, experiment with it, break it, and eventually learn how and why it works. The real drawback is that it would take a LOT longer working alone, but - again - they have eternity. I think you're right about bringing Hornfels into the loop. There are a few more unlinked statues around, so bringing them in would help with the research and tinkering. And as for the first research project, the obvious choice would be to start with the statues (though warp core tech might be more fruitful, since instantaneous travel to and from the statue lab will make it easier to bring more Hearthians into the loop later.) Either way, eventually I could see the protagonist able to build new statues, though I don't know if it would be possible to actually build one in only 22 minutes. Warp travel to the lab would really be important here, to be able to save time and get a statue built and in front of an unlinked Hearthian in the time provided. I'm sure after centuries of trial and error, the protagonist would have the process perfected, though. Like we said: we've got eternity to work with here! Here's the real question: is 22 minutes as far back as the ATP can send information? Can it send information back any farther? What could the protagonist (and the rest of the Hearthians, assuming they're brought into the loop) do with a day? A week? A month? A year? We start running into real paradox territory here, but what if the protagonist spends their time really tinkering with the ATP itself (doing everything but removing the warp core) and learning exactly how it works? What if they learn how to somehow modify the ATP so it can send info farther back in time than 22 minutes, so they have more time to build things? They could build more masks for the ATP and statues to link to them. All of the Hearthians together, with more than 22 minutes to work with, and after going through several loops of education and discovery together, could master the technology of the Nomai and surpass it! The could eventually build a ship to carry their whole society together to the Eye. And like you said in your video: once there, who can say what is possible? How would the Eye look and behave with multiple conscious observers? What would the Eye be like with the entirely of Hearthian society present? That's something I can't even begin to imagine!

[@TheLoreExplorer]

So, yes, we have forever. But it seems no matter how crazy the info we relay to hornfells/people in our town. They just sort of tell us we are loopy. or mentally wibbly. So duplicating ourself was sort of the way of going "ah hah. Write this one off you...actually sort of reasonable person who wants extraordinary proof for extraordinary claims..." Other than that, or just straight up kidnapping hornfells, Idk what else to do lol

[@AttentiveDragon]

@@TheLoreExplorer Good point! I can only imagine that. "Hey Hornfells, I want to show you something on my ship before I leave." "Ok, what is it...? Wait what are you doing, why are you tying me up? What is HAPPENING!!!" "Trust me, it will all make sense once we get to Giant's Deep. Well... after you die." "After I -WHAT-!?!!"

[@mrspiffy8587]

We're not exactly alone. We could get the job done much faster if Gabbro would get off his lazy hammock and do something!

[@mikewagner2299]

More than 22 minutes is theoretically possible. But you would need more energy than the supernova provides

[@ForeverMasterless]

I believe the 22 minutes is a limitation of the energy output of our sun's nova. You'd need either another star or a bigger one.

[@PhobosTheWicked]

Interesting, but a ticking bomb If whoever has to jump into the black hole at the end of the cycle to maintain causality fails to do so, then kaboom... universe broken

[@mathiasven5497]

Wholesome contenct, I feel like you've had fun making this video. Have a nice day, king.

[@chingamfong]

Having finished echoes of the eye, (spoilers duh) I don't think a whole civilization living in a time loop is a great way to cope with death. A great lesson in the DLC is people should accept and embrace the end, to foster new beginnings, instead of being cowards and stay in a stale environment forever. But you know, each to their own. Maybe leave people who wishes to live forever in the time loop, while the adventurous ones could jump into the eye. At this point it is anyone's guess what could happen with so many conscious observers.

[@ix67ml]

Having finished echoes of the eye, i think the best and easiest solution was to just evacuate as much of people as possible to The Stranger and start growing food there.

[@captainclipy6236]

This was a really sweet video ❤️❤️ outer wilds has a pretty bittersweet ending and this was very hopeful

[@neonoah3353]

5:32 idk if sending the masks back in time to duplicate them could work, if their "program" works like coding, the duplicated coding could make so errors could occur... Or it could work, who knows? Also, idk if duplicating the player character would be a good ideia, or anyone/anything for that matter, everything you could do with what you pointed out in this video could be done without any duplication, that would be just a hassle. A thought that i had after finishing the game was if the player character were to learn to write/read nomai as well as how their tech works, that way, they could fix the vessels message board/wall and comunicate to other nomai outside of their solar system, maybe even get timber hearths location and send it to them, teleporting their vessel near timber hearth and taking the hearthians to somewhere safe. (assuming theres any place thats actually safe in the univeser/galaxy) Also using the ashtwin project on the travellers and feldspar, after all, they would need to return to timber hearth for all this to work, having to go to each of them would take precious time, also, talking about time the true problem would be the time that it takes to get to feldspar to get them, as well as stopping by the vessel and comunicating to the nomai, that would leave very few minutes for the vessel to get them and leave... though they could use the vessels teleporting system to warp straigh to timber hearth. Btw, they could learn how to make a adv warp core for the vessel, and not use the ashtwin projects adv warp core, so they dont run any real risks... Or not, just use that one instead to save time.

[@TheLoreExplorer]

so, we have told a few hearthians we die and come back. they dont believe us. Gabbro has tried to as well. My solution to this is the duplication. I think theyd have a hard time writing us off as insane with a duplicate of us standing right next to us. but other than that. yes, i agree. duplication is mostly a problem. not a solution. Also, yes. I said theyd work on creating another advanced warp core so they could power the vessel and the atp. Another thing is we can sync the citizens up one by one. loop by loop. we have all the time in the universe. literally. We go to feldspar and tele them, where they need to be instantly. Also, yes, we see other stars at the beginning. but remember light takes time to travel. All the stars we see are likely gone by the time we even woke up. So, as far as other nomai still alive, its highly unlikely. The message board there works now anyway. The warp core broke instantly and they still received messages later. So, we wouldnt even need one to try and send a message out.

[@nevinmyers1245]

4:50 Hornfels, you okay there bud?

[@lethequin]

So hornfells is just looking at the museum statue and then he’s just got new memories? Edit: hornfells: “hmm, how interesting the statue’s opened it’s eyes! Holy mother of sap wine i have died again and again and again. Nothing matters and the sun is going to consume us and sear the flesh off our bones.”

[@thestranger2003]

I was just thinking of something like this! Thank you for exploring this idea!

[@ekaterinaburakova8629]

This. Is. Ingenious. Yeah, if only fellow Hearthians would be more responsive to us! In cooperation, this would work very well. Colonizing the God-like entity sounds crazy enough

[@travisthefanofmanythings7176]

that edit at 00:03 was cool, so was the theory.

[@TheLoreExplorer]

Someone actually modded it into the game for me! I was excited lol. Thanks bud.

[@electra_]

I think the one issue with this plan is creating duplicate Selves. While it might make reverse engineering faster, it's too risky as you could end the universe at any moment. As long as you avoid doing this and keep people from touching the warp core, there's no chance your plan will ever fail.

[@RevenantMain1]

The thing I love most about linking everyone's consciousness with the statues is the fact that after someone has been linked, the first thing you'd see is them being linked and immediately laughing at the fact that they just died in the stupidest way possible and just got pulled back in time

[@TheLoreExplorer]

Do you mean Like "Haha, you tripped going down the slide in the interloper and hit your head!" or do you mean like "Awwe ding dang. I got caught in the caves on ember twin cause i had to take a scout selfie". ?

[@somniad]

This is wonderful! And as much as I'm not so sure I'd like to be in this proposed loop, the Hearthians would certainly quite like to be. They seem almost universally satisfied with chilling.

[@TheLoreExplorer]

Thanks bud. Knowing the hearthians, gabbro would sleep through the black hole activation and forget to jump through. So it may be best they never found it!

[@Cookiekopter]

@@TheLoreExplorer well we don't have to duplicate him, or anyone because then those duplicates will have to go through the ash twin project for eternity, like did you know that after you jump into ATP and go to the eye of the universe, the reality will break partway through your exploration of the eye

[@lisafenixx]

I love this video, it gives me so much hope!! Thank you for sharing!

[@creativenametxt2960]

Problems with the scenario (nice one btw): The memory statue only records one individual. This means that if a copy (not connected to a statue) dies, their memory is gone forever, they are dead for good. Also if 2 of copies die, then the spacetime will shatter no matter what. It is bound to happen sometime. If you dispose of the copies by letting them "ascend" into the eye, the spacetime would also break. The problem isn't 2 scouts, the problem is scout exiting, but never entering. A consequence without a cause. You might be unable to do Nomai stuff because you don't have the star tools: the planets are sparce with resources. Let me use a minecraft analogy (forgive me, lol): nomai came in the system with diamond pickaxes. There is no iron in the system, yet Nomai were able to get diamonds. If all diamond pickaxes are gone, you can't mine more, you are locked forever. Nomai came here with tools that let them make platforms, write, levitate rocks. You may need those to start the development, yet you may not have the resources to make those. The last problem would be fixed if you could meet up with other Nomai using the Vessel. This seems unlikely to without the tools you are trying to get out of it.

[@TheLoreExplorer]

Yes. The statue would only record one set of memories. But they'd be jumping through the black hole. Maintaining them naturally. I also refute the cause and effect argument. That's broken every time we duplicate anything. But we can just disagree on this.

[@creativenametxt2960]

@@TheLoreExplorer how exactly is cause and effect variant broken?

[@TheLoreExplorer]

The effect happens before the cause eveeytime we copy something . That's inherently disregarding cause an effect.

[@creativenametxt2960]

@@TheLoreExplorer that's the point. Seems like a miscommunication: in the Outer Wilds (and maybe irl) cause can happen after an effect because of time running backwards. It doesn't make it less of a cause-effect connection, though. If the cause never happens, but effect exists, then there is a slight problem and the Universe kinda can't exist anymore. At least that's the common reasoning for... pretty much any time travel paradox ever. The difference is what happens if the cause isn't there.

[@TheLoreExplorer]

Yeah. We aren't about common reasoning here. We are about reason. And with a universe built the way it is, cause and effect isn't the problem. Imo. Again. I. Think we just disagree on this one. And that's OK.

[@Eira_]

with the DLC another option would be to get every hearthian onto the stranger & have someone turn off the ATP. Assuming the plantlife on the Stranger is edible to hearthians, they could theoretically survive indefinitely there. Though the thought of living on a lonely vessel slowly drifting through a dead universe doesn't sound very appealing

[@Joseph_S_Clark]

I'd also add that after the end of the universe (provided another one is never started) how would the ship power itself? There's not light or suns to power itself and the whole universe is in absolute darkness.

[@mendaxMultorum]

epic video! always wondered about this, glad to know someone else has too

[@TonkarzOfSolSystem]

This is the plot of the DLC I'm calling it now.

[@theapptntforcomments1960]

You Wrong.

[@TonkarzOfSolSystem]

@@theapptntforcomments1960 The Strangers did this. They lived an ossified existence similar to life long term in the time loop.

[@shiboito1]

Only problem with this is as soon as you start sending better back in time, you break spacetime if, for whatever reason, someone fails to make it through the ATP.

[@807D14M0ND5]

Something I don't understand: if you have Self appear in the ATP and you NEED to jump into the black hole the second time for their not be space time problem.. wouldn't we be stuck in that loop. If the second self (me) jumps into the black hole doesn't the third self also need to to that? And the fourth, fifth, ad infinitum.

[@TheLoreExplorer]

Once we make a copy, only the original inhabitant of the solar system has to jump through. And this wont create a third copy. But yes. This loop of entering the atp will always end badly. We dont really know what would happen if self jumped in as well, but i think there would probably just be 3 selfs, with 2 having to jump in or else...

[@807D14M0ND5]

@@TheLoreExplorer I still don't get it. If I jump I to the ATP black hole a second time. I still jumped into the black hole. Why does it reset the a copy of me appearing but not make a new self copy appear?

[@807D14M0ND5]

In short. Why does jumping in again NOT create a third copy?

[@TheLoreExplorer]

@@807D14M0ND5 In my eyes at least, jumping into a black hole doesnt send you back in time or even copy you. It sends you to a parallel universe. So when we jump through we find ourselves in another hearthians universe inside the atp. Yet somehow we control the hearthian already there. so now we have 2 hearthians. When we go and jump back through, we again jump to a new universe alone, leaving self behind in ours to die. So each time we are making more "copies". They just get left in the old universe where we never made it to the eye and the sun actually kills everyone. I realize this view isnt widely accepted. But ive been literally "studying" it for a while now, and this is the most likely explanation i can come up with,

[@807D14M0ND5]

@@TheLoreExplorer You know much more about this game then I do so I'll take your theory as fact. Even doing so I still don't seem to understand haha! Why doesn't the third loop "spawn" a second self? Wouldn't jumping in once doom you because you have to keep jumping in? I understand that in this game it's different with info traveling back in time(or to a parallel universe) but we are more then info when we jump in.

[@GoldSkulltulaHunter]

Very clever idea! I keep wondering how life would be like for heathians if they settled for living infinite time loops. How would this change their mindset about life and the universe?

[@TheLoreExplorer]

Thanks bud. Its hard to imagine how that would effect someones life. Im not sure id want to live an infinite amount of time loops. Maybe a couple hundred or thousand. idk. feels like a lot to take in. The universe would just feel different if there were no consequences.

[@quest7314]

The Lore Explorer I bet the nomai would love to live without consequences. Infinite testing that you can do! Because death doesn’t matter they can just do any tests on themselves that they wanted.

[@TheLoreExplorer]

Yeah. Maybe if they had a bit more time they'd be more into it. 23 minutes wouldn't be too much time to do tests with. But I'm sure they could make some use of it.

[@michaeledmunds7266]

@@TheLoreExplorer I wouldn't want to live through infinite time loops, since that's a world with literally no future. Nothing would ever change, everything you do would just be reset each time.. it'd be like being stuck in the demo version of life forever.

[@misapheonix]

Damn good idea to continue what is very much a conclusive story! It all but makes me wonder if this has happened irl, and why we don't see such advanced beings when they're doing things like living on an attached quantum black hole!!

[@TheLoreExplorer]

Ehh. The ending was really all that conclusive. It told us anything is possible. The next universe could hold anything. could be a universe where hearthians and nomai team up for all we know! as for irl. the universe is BIG. lol

[@misapheonix]

@@TheLoreExplorer I mean in terms of story told (in the universe we interacted in), it was conclusive :D Really the whole game is a morale on natural, cyclical lifespans. Even the 'saving your friends' thing is covered, because they are essentially still living on by being reincarnated into the next universe. If the events of the game didn't pan out, it looks like it'd all be an empty void :O

[@shuit2999]

This is the best one so far! Btw, I’m shuit from the discord!

[@TheLoreExplorer]

Glad you liked the video bud!

[@Astro-4321]

In one of the endings of the game, you can send your scout into the next universe and see it fly by. Maybe if we connect the hearthains to statues inside if the apt or some equivalent and sent it through the eye, we could use the big bang as a power source, we could wait for the next loop and die. Would we then wake up at the apt in the next universe? If we did this could we theoretically enter the next universe and settle there?

[@TheLoreExplorer]

In theory... Sure. In practice, likely never. We'd have to build something that could withstand a big bang. Remember the Nomai had to protect the atp until it got powered up and worked. I can't even conceive of an idea to prevent the big bang

[@Astro-4321]

Yeah, I wonder how the scout made it though?

[@TheLoreExplorer]

@@Astro-4321 the eye exists outside of time. 1 second at the eye could be 1 billion years in the rest of the universe. So the scout enters the eye, uses it as a door to the next universe(much like we do), and exits in a random place in time. I think this is possible because the eye exists in all of these multiple universes , yet outside of time. It can't tell where things should be and at what time. I think this causes the quantum fluctuations as well.

[@Astro-4321]

@@TheLoreExplorer yeah that makes a lot of sense.

[@Xahnel]

You could also dedicate loops to getting them onboard the Stranger.

[@TheLoreExplorer]

Yeah. Tbh thats probably better. The dlc wasnt out when I made this

[@ilovefishing2232]

Another thing that could be done is testing out different coordinates with the vessel, and if the rest of the nomai in the universe sent coordinates to the blooming star galaxy then all the hearthians could board the vessel and go.

[@Cookiekopter]

im pretty sure that our sun is the last to stay alive

[@TonkarzOfSolSystem]

8:30 What if they all jumped into the new universe - but in some kind of space ship or with some kind of device that could survive the energy wave of the big bang. They'd have the time to make such a thing, though they might not know that was something they should/could do.

[@razrad3001]

So, black-to-white time system allow to add info and substances to the past. It doesn’t matter how it works, with adding new atoms in universe or with changing entropy, the topic is not about it. If we added smth to the past with the white hole, we need to put it in the black hole future/present. It’s fine. But we can’t lose information, bcs we get crashing of universe. There is no problem with the statue synchronized with player, because after getting memory from b-t-w time system a statue can systematize data before posting to the player. But if we transfer the player, there is a problem. If we made a clone, we must to send into atp a subject with the same memory or more. (If we can consider subjects as a storage of memory). But throughout the new cycle the subject can lose some information, just forget it. And atp won’t get the needful info to create a right clone. What makes universe crash again. That make a question: what does it mean to be equal to yourself for atp in this game.

[@-Reset]

Interesting video!

[@Yuti640]

The eye’s just like: What the hell are these guys doing building on me

[@TheRobotGamer7]

Your channel should get more viewers your channel is amazing

[@TheLoreExplorer]

Thank you for the kind words! Hopefully I will keep growing!

[@TheRobotGamer7]

The Lore Explorer ur the reason I kept playing this game (idk why but I feel sick when I keep playing it after 10 mins) and also I never thought u would reply, fun fact ur the first KZbinr that has ever replied to any of my comments so thank you, best of luck on ur youtube channel, :D

[@TheLoreExplorer]

Thanks bud. I always got excited when a youtuber responded to me, so i figure ill try to respond to as many people as i can!

[@TheRobotGamer7]

Hey lore, how do you use hacks on outer wilds?

[@TheLoreExplorer]

@@TheRobotGamer7 it has to be on pc but I just install mods. outerwildsmods.com/

[@navetal]

Are you sure the statues remain active and pairable? I think their pairing time window is fairily short, which is why we don't just pair with the other inactive statues we find all over the solar system (I guess you could say the Nomai thought of that and prevented two statues from pairing with the same conciousness, but I don't think there's any mention of this in-game so we may never know.)

[@TheLoreExplorer]

Yes. I am sure. I asked the dev directly. The reason we dont pair with the other statues is.....because we are already paired.

[@navetal]

@@TheLoreExplorer That's nice to know. Thanks!

[@Skydea]

Interessting, lets see what happens

[@TeamCrawfordSmith]

This is probably the way the were rationalizing their thinking in Echoes. "and we'll all "Live" happily ever after and nothing bad will happen....right?"

[@reverbedash9282]

Sounds like a sequel in the making

[@DaveLH]

This seems like a fan-made Mod/DLC waiting to happen!

[@pablozurita2996]

They should make a part 2 that focuses on his theories

[@datonecaleb860]

Inner wilds

[@JoeThomas-lu6fy]

Don't the statues only work in the loop when the eye is discovered? You'd need to either A. cause the probe cannon to fire at the eye (possibly erasing the eye coordinates as well to make sure the statues reactivate) or B. cause an 'equipment failure' inside the ATP (you might need to learn how to fix it as well)

[@TheLoreExplorer]

No. I asked the dev. They said as long as it's after the atp found the eye, the statues would activate.

[@JoeThomas-lu6fy]

@@TheLoreExplorer I thought that they said that it had to be in the loop when the eye was found? I'll watch it again.

[@JoeThomas-lu6fy]

@@TheLoreExplorer I re-watched it and he said they would activate 'so long as no-one has paired with it already and it is loop 9054', meaning it does have to be the loop when the eye is found.

[@TheLoreExplorer]

@@JoeThomas-lu6fy you're not taking into account how I asked the question though. I specifically asked about" after we got connected, if someone ran into a statue nothing would happen. Correct?" His answer was actually as long as it's loop 9000 whatever, yes. They'd sync.

[@JoeThomas-lu6fy]

@@TheLoreExplorer Why would he specify mention that it has to be loop 9054 if the loop number doesn't matter?

[@elnax88]

I have a theory in testing, about Dark Bramble, the seeds and the destruction of the fabric of time. I mean, Nomais when arrived to this system "casually" fall in a destroyed planet and they "casually" ended up in the center of that planet.. Something similar to a seed of that planet reach TimberHearth when the time loop began, casually in the same planet. And when you destroy the fabric of space time "Casually" grows arround the paradox a root-like cracks. I mean, a lot of casuallytis, the eye of the universe looks like the data of all the proves sended to search the eye, rounded with the same energy color than the module inside Giant's Deep.. ¿What if the Nomai Ship destroyed the fabric of time at it´s arrival? ¿Maybe the loops cracked the space-time so heavily than the time braked in the same moment the Nomais arrived?

[@TheLoreExplorer]

Im not sure im following you. The Nomai arrived at bramble because dark bramble duplicates signals. they followed the duplicate signal.

[@elnax88]

@@TheLoreExplorer Ahh I didn't see that, thanks

[@TheLoreExplorer]

You're welcome. There is still a lot of simularities between spacetime and dark bramble! So don't give up on the theory due to that one detail!

[@Merudiana-the-local-demoness]

Self is the ultimate life form. They will conquer the universe through the power of Ultimate Sass.

[@TheLoreExplorer]

What if they are only comfortable sassing Themselves? Or do you think we are all "uh, b****, I invented the Nomai translator. I'm going to space next"

[@arkblazer1]

and here i thought there was an alternative ending... the funny thing there is a better choice that is less cnovoluted. there could be in the vessel a coordinate for a star system that info tells us will last several thousands more the player tells hjormfellls and the explorers to transport the whole hearthians into vessel and then instead of going to eye of the universe player goes to those coordinates.

[@TheLoreExplorer]

When we reach the eye in the vessel, we can wait for a while and watch every star in the universe die out. There arent any stable stars left for us to go to.

[@Gordon_Freeman484]

Theres probably still living breathing Nomai out there. Think about it. When the vessel crashed in DB, it was only a small amount of Nomai that were in it. Id say about 50-100. And thats just one clan. There would still be other clans out there. They might even still be alive today. Cool to think about.

[@FuzzyImages]

Wait a minute.... Wouldn't Self just jumping into the Ash Twin Project solve the causality breakdown? I mean, time doesn't break from our memories going back. As long as he keeps jumping in, then therer is always a loop of him doing that while we the memory version just keep trekking on.

[@zaktak4380]

I think instead of memory statues they should just jump into black holes. That way they could live their lives as normal, age, have kids and even die. But they would have to bring back warp cores with the ATP core. That way they could make a bigger warp core (maybe with the energy from other supernovae) and bring back an establishment or even a planet, so they don't have to jump into the ATP core. But wait! With other supernovae, they could produce enough energy to travel back more than 22 minutes! That means they can extend loops. If they utalize enough supernovae, they could maybe even travel back to when the nomai existed! But if that happens evolution will probably have created more species anyways. Anyways, I think the eye wouldn't let a universe exist forever. Maybe it would collapse somehow else. And I think the best is to move on to the next universe.

[@hursimear3408]

So would every harthian and their duplicates have to jump through the ATP black hole thing to prevent an uncaused cause? Or no? And wouldn’t that quantity of people having to prevent the uncaused cause become unmanageable within such a small time frame? Me no hav big brane four this stuf, me Confucius

[@TheLoreExplorer]

yeah. thats why i sort of didnt have every hearthian jump in and create an army of hearthians. The only two that would have to jump in in this scenario is us and the original self. And theyd have portable warp cores to teleport them back automatically when it happens. The other guys are just connected to the statues, and arent duplicated, so they dont need to jump in!

[@sandsalamand3763]

@The Lore Explorer Wouldn't any progress they made on portable warp cores be reset every 22 minutes? Or if you're planning to send it back in time through the warp core, then wouldn't they have to make sure they throw it into the core at the end of every loop? As a side note, warp cores might simply be impossible to make portable, since they require a massive amount of energy that couldn't fit in your pocket.

[@Undy1]

I know this video is pretty old at this point but I have to point a couple of problems with it anyway. First of all the duplication is incredibly dangerous and the more duplicates the higher the chances that one of them won't make it back to the black hole in time - and with possibly tens of thousands of loops to figure out the Nomai tech that would definitely happen eventually. There's another problem - the Hearthians don't know that jumping into the black hole will duplicate someone and they don't know that not jumping into the black hole a second time will destroy spacetime - they can't know that because if that ever happens it's over for the whole universe and the loop. However that might not actually be a problem, or at least not the same way as portrayed in-game. Since the game can't predict that we're going to jump into the black hole at the end of the loop "the self" only appears after that in the next loop. But what should happen instead (but again it's impossible because the game doesn't know the future) is that the self should be at the ATP before we jump into the black hole for the first time. And only then us jumping into the black hole would be a 'requirement'. Furthermore the next loop could have the self at the ATP or it could not have them at the ATP depending on whether we're going to jump into the black hole at the end of that loop. There's another problem - any duplicate is going to die for real at the end of each loop - the memories of the duplicate aren't saved, and apparently they don't pair with a new statue either (since there's an unused statue at the ATP and the self didn't trigger it by being there). It wouldn't make sense anyway because the duplicate doesn't have a permanent body to return to - the only way for them to survive is to keep jumping into the black hole which presents another problem - that would mean there would have to be more selves to begin with, in fact there should be as many selves at the ATP already present as many times 'the oldest' self will jump into the black hole before they either die or decide to stop. Or the number of duplicates should increase with each subsequent loop, I'm not entirely sure how the loop specifically works in situations like that. Now the Nomai tech - even if you figure it out and even if you manage to make an extra mask in 22 minutes it won't work - all the work you do will be erased at the end of the loop since it was all made inside the loop. The mask would have to be carved and put online before the loop started to work. This is true for every piece of tech. You can't build anything new that will still be there once the the loop resets. But it would be possible would be to add a couple of people to the loop. There are 3 statues that would 100% work - 1 in the ATP, 1 inside the Black Hole Forge and 1 inside the Statue Workshop. There are two extra statues inside the Sun Station, however the Sun Station doesn't survive the full length of the loop, I'd take a guess that these could work partially and only record the memories from the first half of the loop. People using these would have memory gaps but that would still be enough to be useful and aware of the loop. So we could have a total of 5 Hearthians with full memory and 2 with partial memory. Then these people could take all the functional ships and transport everybody along with the supplies required to survive to the Stranger (I know that wasn't an option back when you made this video). And if that operation succeeded the ATP could be powered down and the remaining Hearthians could live out their lives on the Stranger, probably not a good idea to make kids in a dying universe though - just live and die, and possibly let a few remaining old Hearthians go to they Eye before they die of old age to start a new universe. This could work, it's pretty simple and straightforward too, doesn't require learning Nomai tech or anything too complicated. The final problem though is that the exact opposite of what the game is trying to say, and that's especially true since the DLC exists. Because surviving the heat death of the universe is exactly what the Owlk wanted to do. They were willing to survive at all costs because they were scared. But the point of the game is to teach us to not be scared and to accept our fate, however sad it might be. Ah actually now that I think about it there's another problem - I'm pretty sure that disabling the ATP would destroy spacetime regardless - think about it, the ATP sends back memories and probe data, as well as the command for the cannon to fire 22 minutes into the past - this means that at the beginning of each loop the cannon receives a command to fire from the future. But if we disable the ATP then why did the cannon fire at the beginning of the loop? Paradox. Easiest way to think about it is in the context of the first ever loop, before the sun actually exploded - the cannon would fire seemingly out of nowhere, the data would be collected and sent to the ATP and then sun explodes 'for the first time' creating a black hole that sends the gathered data as well as the command for the cannon to fire back in time. But if the cannon already fired and received the data from the future, then stopping the ATP and preventing the data and the command from being sent should break spacetime. Now again, in reality what would probably happen is that the cannon would simply not fire at the beginning of the loop in which we're going to disable the ATP thus avoiding the paradox, but also obviously a game can't see the future so that's not possible in-game. PS. Also I'm somewhat convinced that the eye doesn't destroy the universe/create a new one at the very moment someone arrives in it, instead it waits for everything to die in the current universe before doing that. Say if the Owlks decided to enter the Eye they would sort of enable it's ability to create a new universe but the current universe would still go on until it's natural death, so the Hearthians would've still have existed. PPS. If the ATP was a place that we would more often go back to (maybe even every loop), then a cool mechanic could be that the self would appear randomly in some loops and the player would have to figure out that they have to jump in the black hole at the end of the loop to not destroy spacetime. And furthermore jumping into the black hole without the self present in that loop would also destroy spacetime.

[@LordTelperion]

Death is the high cost of living.

[@KeviNOlighT]

Wait, I know I'm super late hah, but wouldn't your ATP Black Hole jumping selves age normally and die of old age? It's only when you get sent your memories back that you don't age and have all the time in the world. Your memories would only be sent to your non black hole traveling self as well and you'd have your own ones from that point onwards (or until you don't get back into the black hole). And why would the ATP send yourself back just as a "normal" loop? Wouldn't you have to be sent wherever memories are sent (like right there at the ATP) and every time you'd enter the black hole, you'd travel and appear as another copy? Wait this gets really messy the more I try to think about it lol.

[@TheLoreExplorer]

I mean sure. But I doubt itd take more than a normal lifespan to repurpose already constructed tech. And each jump would be to a new universe with a fresh young buck!

[@KeviNOlighT]

@@TheLoreExplorer Still, questioning why you traveling back through the black hole would be just like a normal loop kinda messed me up haha.

[@TheLoreExplorer]

It really wouldnt be "just like" a normal loop. In our usual loops we dont actually get sent back in time. Only our memories do since they get sent into the black hole. If WE actually jump in the black hole WE actually get sent back in time as well.

[@gottdashochstewesen4902]

Have just tried out the dlc, and couldnt you just disable the ash twin project, tell everyone that its a matter of life or death that they jump into your ship, load a few plants or whatever hearthians eat other than marchmellows and fly to the river, and plant food there, it seems like a really nice place, and I think they could even leave after the supernova, even if nothing would be around anymore

[@TheLoreExplorer]

You could. But they wouldn’t listen. Everyone we mention any part of the loop to(aside from gabbro) thinks we are insane. Like literally something medically wrong with us. Chert is in denial. Saving everyone this way just wouldn’t work.

[@grandstarstudiosFORMER-YT]

Until the stranger runs out of power :(((

[@WorldLie]

Lmao, I uploaded an Outer wilds video today too.

[@TheLoreExplorer]

glad to see its getting more attention.

[@Lord_Vertice]

Btw shattering spacetime doesn't end the loop, it ends the universe immediately. Indicated by the "reload save" button rather than "resume expedition" and because, well, we _shattered spacetime_

[@TheLoreExplorer]

Right. Spacetime shatters. And the result is the timeloop apparatus as a whole stops. The atp is not able to revert this. Or in other words the loop ends.

[@Lord_Vertice]

@@TheLoreExplorer right sorry I think I misinterpreted your usage of the word loop. I thought you meant it like the current loop ends and it'll start anew like it does whenever the 22 mins run out, but you meant it like the loop ends for good

[@TheLoreExplorer]

Outer Wilds presents a unique problem in which the words in the game can apply to multiple things. I remember I used the term possibilities once totally forgetting it has a meaning in the game in regards to quantum stuff lol. Caused a bunch of confusion. So no need to apologize. Not your fault!

[@Lord_Vertice]

@@TheLoreExplorer we all make mistakes! Also, one cool thing I noticed after watching your nomai tech video where you talked about their third eye, was that on the screen where your memories flow through the mask bask into you at the start of each loop, the memory stream seems to specifically go through the third eye. It might not mean anything but I think it supports your point of the 3rd eye being special in some way

[@TonkarzOfSolSystem]

I think the question is what an eternity of time loops and desperately trying to make progress on reverse engineering Nomai technology would do to an individual and to the culture of a civilization. How long would murder remain taboo?

[@hoofcushion]

你需要在22分钟内建造出装置阻止超新星爆发，如果你失败了，可以通过进入黑洞来翻倍你下一个循环中拥有的物资。

[@davidholbrook6335]

Eventually gather enough materials to build a Dyson sphere around the Sun and then all you have to do is maintain the Sun like you would a bonsai tree fluff up the core (like how you turn sugar into cotton candy (except you're turning something super dense into normal dense))remove some Mass add some helium etc etc etc repeat the process and bring it with you through the core over and over until you have like a whole entire system of suns then stop the loop after you gather like an ungodly amount of resources and whole entire vessels dedicated to holding resources maybe in vessel armored planet that supposed to be a storage status growing anything that can be farmed and used as food stamps place in renewable resources come from the planet and they have a whole entire metal planets for each type of metal etc etc etc etc etc etc etc basically stock up as if you're being paranoid and an increase that number by 100,000 times then you could just wait out for the universe to end and then wait for it to begin again and then settle down I have an idea instead of making time you manipulate a part of time that's causality like the reason why things die out so fast you instead of making it 22 standard minutes you turn it into 22, 000 standard ultra Deca mega years or something for plantary bodies like the sun and stuff to start dying out and stuff you have so many sons now and so many different planets that you don't have to care about doing things a certain way cuz now you can just have planets that revolve around a sun or Suns depending on what combo you want and you no longer have to live in the ships you should keep the ships around just in case you know and then you go out and use the ships the spare ones to explore while you build up your industry and then you use the time machine every single time when it comes to the end towards the end of the universe in order to skip to the next version of the universe after it restarts again rinse and repeat.

[@lucaspec7284]

i don't want to be pessimistic, but don't mess with clones, would likely result in destroyed fabric of spacetime. also because of the loop you would have to redo the statues each loop =|

[@link7417]

Interesting theory a large problem I would see whit that is even if they managed to make new statues and even masks would not the reset also reset the newly made masks and statues too? that is the large loop hole I can see in this altho I don't know how the ash twin fully works if it sends the hole station over (wich I find unlikely) it could work but I always thought it simply sent information over

[@TheLoreExplorer]

The self ending proves it can send things other than just memories. And these things dont reset.

[@link7417]

@@TheLoreExplorer I mean true but would we not end up whit two ash twin projects then?

[@TheLoreExplorer]

Uhhh. No? The atp wouldn’t be going through itself. New statues and masks connected to them would be.

[@pgamez4077]

Like train

[@tyjl3515]

If you could control the time travel what if you went back 22 minutes then again and again. If it was portable you could just tell it how far back to go and maybe even go back to when the nomai were still living maybe warn them about the interloper by modifying the translator so that you can write in nomai

[@Cookiekopter]

jumping back further in time requires exponentially more power though

[@joeyclark127]

What i would do is try to rebuild the stranger or something i think it would be there best bet

[@TheLoreExplorer]

I tend to agree now that we know the stranger is a thing , yes.

[@razrad3001]

pls recommend a game like outer wilds)

[@TheLoreExplorer]

Wish I could. I have yet to find anything like it. People mention the Talos Principle a lot. and what remains of edith finch. But i cant really speak to either of those in comparison.

[@hursimear3408]

Here have a heart ❤️

[@RoflkoHighlights]

:D

[@hugo_670]

I always were wondering, if loop happened over million times every 22 minutes, how did hearthians evolved?

[@TheLoreExplorer]

The universe and time loved normally until the loop began. They were already an evolved species by the time the timeloop started.

[@kaylesharp8209]

So can you get infinite slefs?

[@TheLoreExplorer]

In theory. I cant really think of much to stop that from happening.

[@kaylesharp8209]

@@TheLoreExplorer and these selfs coming with you to these places are un molded into the game? And I heard they could do certain things? Besides just conversate? See where that goes man. It would be the most interesting video I think I'd see, I had one self earlier but never got back after going to brittle to see him but I tried this all day to get more than one of the self's there in the atp to maybe get something going and get more but I failed at 1😫

[@kaylesharp8209]

@@TheLoreExplorer by the way I landed on the sun station without orbiting. It was hard but awesome

[@gaming.chungus]

10 minutes and 9 seconds

[@Yuti640]

Yet the video is only 10 minutes

[@TheRobotGamer7]

LORE I FOUND A EASTER EGG, I WENT TO THE SAND PLANET AND DIED AND IT SAID I BROKE THR FABRIC OF SPACETIME AND THEN THE CREDITS STARTED BUT THE MUSIC WAS MADE WITHE A KAZOO

[@TheLoreExplorer]

mhmm. you mustve jumped into the atps black hole in the previous loop.

[@TheRobotGamer7]

The Lore Explorer I didn’t tho, I think, I tried then god bored then left, maybe it glitched?