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@phaaze38124 ай бұрын
Debuff Reducer is underrated for dealing with stuns like against Abrams it makes it much easier to react after his 2.
@aikckokkoikckia4 ай бұрын
Yeah After getting push to the wall i have enough time parry, they always punch It just like ez counter for him
@benjiwby4 ай бұрын
when do you pop it as hes charging towards you? it says cant be used while stunned so id assume so
@aikckokkoikckia4 ай бұрын
With debuff reducer his stun will expire before the charge punch landed
@valeopvaleop4 ай бұрын
does that still work even if abrams buys duration extender?
@aikckokkoikckia4 ай бұрын
Maybe not But abram with duration extender is not gonna worth the soul, better high damage or vitality item
@mellowdarkness33444 ай бұрын
Im slowly realizing just how many scenarios that debuff remover is useful. Not just for bebop double bomb, but for infernus afterburn after you win the 1v1, tether, stuns. It generally shuts down most CC (excluding Kelvin beam cause thats fresh hell) along with damage over time from Infernus
@adamgoodone91614 ай бұрын
I play Kelvin. Debuff remover works. You get a few moments of breathing room but need to get out of line of sight fast. Remover and fleetfoot with smart escape plans underground makes it harder to chase.
@Duck1en4 ай бұрын
they increased the delay before sleep activates, so you can parry a sleep dagger with debuff remover you need to press it right after you hear the sleep dagger sound
@rich25794 ай бұрын
Good against Pocket’s affliction as well
@BakaKakor4 ай бұрын
Vindicta main. Matched a team with 5 knockdowns. It was an experience to say the least
@novastar61123 ай бұрын
BONG
@Dallows653 ай бұрын
Nothing personal, but I have to revel in knowing this happened.
@randomname23664 ай бұрын
Shiv main here. Antiheal is a great counter but since I build for the dash and not the knives I’m less worried about it. My build lets me burst down people in seconds starting around 22k. The one thing that you can always do to shut down Shiv is to silence or stun lock him. If I can’t use my abilities my gun is good but I can’t burst you. Also, I can’t tell you how many times before I made this build I would have a wraith ult stun lock me and kill me in seconds before I could do anything. That’s how you kill good Shivs. Stuns are your best friends and secondary you silence him. Those things are true for all hero’s though so it’s kind of a no brainer.
@ЛекарствоСильногоДействия4 ай бұрын
What s the build
@Dallows653 ай бұрын
Fellow shiv main here, the beauty about building for knives is you still have a strong dash!
@mattyryon4 ай бұрын
For Abrams debuff reducer is a lot better than reactive barrier. Debuff reducer lowers his stuns enough that you can parry before he gets a charged melee attack off and it has no cooldown. Reactive barrier will be ok early game but the shield doesn't scale up and it won't even be enough shield to tank a single charged melee from an Abrams with just 2 melee items, and it has a 30 second cooldown. Debuff reducer also can be upgraded later for an extra 5% effect, more health, 20% weapon damage, and an active that outright removes any negative effects and gives a large movement speed stim (the largest available since fleetfoot and heroic aura were nerfed.)
@AverageJonas4 ай бұрын
Reactive barrier is to not die in the laning stage against him. You sell it later
@mattyryon4 ай бұрын
@@AverageJonas Yeah even then it is better to just get debuff reducer so you can always parry, buying both is a lot of money spent on just defense in lane and debuff reducer is a way better value
@honkbrother80003 ай бұрын
@mattyryon u can always parry the charge melee from his shoulder charge. So unless ur referring to his ult????
@mattyryon3 ай бұрын
@@honkbrother8000 Debuff reducer lets you parry both after ult stun and shoulder charge before they can charge a heavy
@honkbrother80003 ай бұрын
@@mattyryon u can already parry shoulder charge melee is what I'm saying. I don't think I'd grab this item JUST for Abrams ult.
@zava16994 ай бұрын
just wanted to say you left out metal skin being good against abrams because if you charges you you just pop it and immune all his damage
@DanielElicker4 ай бұрын
After this, I would really appreciate if you did an in-depth video on how to play around these counters as the respective hero facing them. For instance, as an Infernus main, the debuff remover feels like such a hard counter to my characters entire gimmick, and it would be nice to see some content from that perspective of the countered hero.
@AverageJonas4 ай бұрын
Debuff remover has a cooldown, your afterburn and toxic bullets does not. Hope this helps! :) Try to bait them out
@bullatognya54803 ай бұрын
Oh no, a half a minute cooldown items counters my entire gimmick, which is shoot an enemy for more than a second, how sadge Like, seriously?
@RaidenX1964 ай бұрын
One thing to also keep in mind for countering Infernus is that a lot of his damage comes from him shooting you. Fire rate slows like Suppressor can help stem the bleeding (Fire-ing?) and shut him out of lane in the early game.
@BraydonAttoe-xs4yg4 ай бұрын
7:30 actually infernus ult hard counters dynamos. If you activate infernus ult then run into the vortex it will activate while your getting pulled in and cancel his entire ult
@Holfus4 ай бұрын
What? No. If you use infernus ult after reacting to dynamo's ult,it's already too late because of the windup time. His ult is almost over, if not completely done. You have to use it before, but no dynamo with more than 1 braincell will ult when he hears infernus ult
@BraydonAttoe-xs4yg4 ай бұрын
@Holfus I get that but I've done it a couple times. Pop ult and dash into a team fight just to wind up stuck to a dynamo, then have my ult cancel his. It's just lucky timing but it's a thing
@TheFirstSSJ3 ай бұрын
This isn't a tech, this is a case of a bad dynamo
@happe1144 ай бұрын
Conveniently forgot to mention etherial shift against bebop, ok i smell ya. It can even prevent you from getting hooked if you react fast enough.
@sloesty4 ай бұрын
So: anti heal or reactive barrier Essentially in every game you want both.
@ayouboubliha51724 ай бұрын
@@sloesty depends on your hero though. You have to keep in mind the purpose of your build.
@supawithdacream56264 ай бұрын
@@ayouboubliha5172 every game has an abrams and a bebop who get problematic and noobs feed them because they just buy spirit armor because why not. for me armor is a waste if im max spirit build with spirit lifesteal i need a slot depending on the hard carry like abrams or haze which is like everygame tbh
@brianp92684 ай бұрын
If you are worried about countering other players.
@mysteriouseye27564 ай бұрын
If everyone has anti heal, then no one has anti heal
@spacedaoist4 ай бұрын
This is a really great breakdown of the direct counters and laning; however, I'm struggling how to adapt or change the counters moving into the mid and late game where other characters become more dominant and less so the one I am laning against. Would love to see someone with your understanding of the game to push a vid showing how to adapt builds for the enemy team build moving into mid and late game. Great content as always!
@or60604 ай бұрын
toxic bullets combos great with spirit debuffs, having bullet resist shredder and mystic slow with toxic is really good. itemize right and your spirit items will improve your gun as well as your abilities.
@jcmonay37734 ай бұрын
Another big tip for McGinnis is to buy Monster Rounds early. You will deal more damage to her turrets and take less damage from her turrets. Its very nice.
@AverageJonas4 ай бұрын
Good tip! thank you
@jaredjohnson76784 ай бұрын
So reactive barrier, anti heal, knockdown, and more anti heal. Got it! 🔥
@jacewhite85404 ай бұрын
Very happy to see this guide, I was just searching for something like this yesterday and couldn't find anything
@Sparta-vu3jj3 ай бұрын
How to counter every hero in deadlock: Reactive barrier, reactive barrier, reactive barrier oh healing reduction but this one defiantly reactive barrier and this reactive barrier, reactive barrier
@AverageJonas3 ай бұрын
There u go you get it!
@Worr3 ай бұрын
When laning against Yamato, her main damage comes from fully channeled 1 and she has two ways to do that: dash towards you while channeling; or channel behind a short wall and jump up from the wall at the end of the channel. Second tip is that her 2 gets way more range on rank two (she will max out 1 first), so be ready for the sudden range increase in mid-game.
@Worr3 ай бұрын
Channelling 1 behind a wall only works with certain walls that are short enough. It's a tech rather than a feature. You usually cannot jump when channeling.
@Worr3 ай бұрын
Also note that 1 has a rather big hit box. You can easily get hit where you expect to be safe.
@wyatttrombley4 ай бұрын
debuff remover is great and the 1250 version is 30% dmg reduction against spirit based dots like infernus and pocket, combined with spirit armor it can negate the damage of a ton of dot based builds until later in the game
@Raj_29044 ай бұрын
This video is greatly timed. I am just at the stage of the game where I need to start countering
@BennyBornAgain4 ай бұрын
I was low HP and the enemies were chasing me. I hid right behind a sign and Bebop attached 2 bombs to me and I kamikazed into them killing 3. It was awesome.
@Arunnn2414 ай бұрын
I was low HP and the enemies were chasing me. I hid behind my tower and bebop attached 2 bombs to me and uppercutted me into the enemies. I kamikazied into them but it was not awesome.
@sealer16754 ай бұрын
There are some heroes that cannot kill you if you have enchanter's barrier or combat barrier on lane, fx Kelvin and bebop will struggle to pop enchanter's barrier (and potentially combat barrier), making these items kind of counter them on lane. Any hero that struggles to deal 300 magic damage in less than 20 seconds on lane struggles vs enchanter's barrier.
@yuradrofyak90324 ай бұрын
Basically healbane is mandatory for everyone 😂
@kdhupar04 ай бұрын
Great video, I'd recommend getting a reactive barrier against the likes and comments too.
@AverageJonas4 ай бұрын
LMAO facts
@thecolordown29294 ай бұрын
Awesome content thank you!!! You always put a shit ton of effort into this thanks to
@dwightyoung22913 ай бұрын
Mc. Turretlady also cannot engage targets in their face while using their ult, so movement items to get in close and personal could be useful as well
@Napstablooky4 ай бұрын
One item “counter” for paradox is warp stone, since it’s a teleport you can use it after getting hit with Kinetic Carbine and dodge her Ult, and it also can bypass the wall if she uses it defensively.
@bullatognya54803 ай бұрын
Can you really use warp stone out of time stop?
@Napstablooky3 ай бұрын
@@bullatognya5480 the misconception is that getting hit with the carbine is a time stop when really it’s just a very extreme time slow, that means doing something like an instant blink from warp stone still works completely.
@howaboutthat134 ай бұрын
It would be so helpful if you made a video on how you double bomb so quickly (what items you have on quickcast, your button presses for the hook combo, your button presses for the self bomb combo, etc). I am struggling to get all the abilities off quick enough to consistently hit the hook, uppercut, bomb, echo shard, bomb and the selfbomb, echoshard, selfbomb, warp stone combos quickly like you do in your streams. If you put out a guide on your button presses, and any tips and tricks. I watched the bbop guide but didnt see anything about these combos. it would be super helpful for bbop newbs like me. I would absolutely like and comment on the video for the algorithm as well. If anyone else would find this helpful, like this comment so he hopefully sees it. Thanks for the great content as always Jonas!
@AverageJonas4 ай бұрын
I use default keybinds! Only phantom strike is quick cast and is bound to E. Press 3-1-2-v-2
@howaboutthat134 ай бұрын
@@AverageJonas Thank you for the quick reply! Also wondering how you double bomb yourself (or self bomb in general for that matter)? And why does your warp stone not show a keybind (is that just because of quick cast? Assuming you just interchange that with phantom strike sometimes)? Would still love a video on all your settings and the more advanced BBOP combos if you ever decide to make one, but the comments are super helpful. Thanks again!
@mellowdarkness33444 ай бұрын
@@howaboutthat13 there is a key bind that is called self cast. Generally it's middle mouse for toggle abilities, but in the case of bebop, you need to bind that I believe
@zilliq3 ай бұрын
7:22 I don't think Dynamo's kinetic pulse stuns, pretty sure it doesn't interrupt
@AverageJonas3 ай бұрын
It doesnt, but it should proc reactive barrier like lash ground slam cause its movement impairing, feel free to correct me if im wrong!
@ruwellsalatan77744 ай бұрын
33:00 i agree anti heal is op, imo decay is underrated, i think it makes every hero a paper, if there's a tanky hero in your lane buy decay early its only 1250 and you can kill that tanky hero really easily If you play bebop, early decay for abrams, warden, shiv, and kelvin is broken, i noticee that in SEA there's always people with decay
@docconi4 ай бұрын
Thanks! After watching this video I was able to improve my game a lot! Healing reduction all the way
@ayouboubliha51724 ай бұрын
There is also soul rebirth. I think people underate this item a lot.
@AverageJonas4 ай бұрын
I agree, I should buy this item much more often tbh
@i.r.weasel70424 ай бұрын
Slowing Hex is underrated on mobility characters, a t2 item with silence effects.
@DanJouas2 ай бұрын
I had a feeling I was under buying reactive barrier. This confirms it lol
@retaxed-4 ай бұрын
i can’t for more of these vids to come out so my teammates can learn😂
@shaded_red4 ай бұрын
Thanks for making this video man! I literally had no idea on how to counter 2 bomb bebop. I was getting shit on by these bebops without knowing how to counter that cancer build.
@MajicFreeman4 ай бұрын
I hope they make a bristleback character, but i dunno how it might work, but i always loved playing him
@loopyslop3 ай бұрын
Heal bane, return fire, and metal skin against haze is good, but thats a lot of investment to counter 1 hero
@ackhoury4 ай бұрын
I like buying extra stamina against warden, feels so easy to get out of the stun range.
@DjNaste4 ай бұрын
I like buying extra stamina against everyone 😅 movement is so good in this game.
@pate71794 ай бұрын
Good, now someone create a counter item cheat sheet i can put to my second monitor 😂
@AverageJonas4 ай бұрын
Just put a giant picture of reactive barrier 😂
@Typ3_alpha4 ай бұрын
With Mo and Krill, his Sand attack is extremely annoying. I'm a wraith main and that cancels literally all of my damage if i cant shoot, can't restore cards either. How do I counter that?
@noahs974 ай бұрын
Debuff remover will instantly clear the disarm.
@wajfan4 ай бұрын
debuff remover. that or outrange it and engage when it's down
@bullatognya54803 ай бұрын
@@wajfanit's VERY hard to outrange a 35 meter skill
@landddo13413 ай бұрын
Does knock down not remove dynamo ult?
@AverageJonas3 ай бұрын
It does!
@GmMixo4 ай бұрын
I'm maining abrams delete this
@DaimonTheVampire4 ай бұрын
The problem with haze is that she heals all her hp back in 2 seconds so even if i silence her and melt her to like 10 hp the moment she start to fire you just dead i dont know why exactly but the healing on her is super strong and make her unkillable
@elephantguy07904 ай бұрын
The best way to counter Ivy is to shut her down early. She needs a lot of souls to get online (like 20-25k) but when she does she is very strong. If you can roam around enemy camps/steal farm you can shut her down early. Also getting urn vs an Ivy is very important because if you don’t get it first, she will. If you can gank/beat Ivy in the laning stage she usually can’t come back unless her team is carrying her through the mid game
@bullatognya54803 ай бұрын
Silence gets the job done regardless
@NerdyNomad84 ай бұрын
Great vid❤
@redrh14 ай бұрын
At 30:19 how are you showing the multiplier for the movement speed scaling for seven?
@AverageJonas4 ай бұрын
I believe its ALT or TAB!
@redrh14 ай бұрын
@@AverageJonas thanks!
@TennessseTimmy4 ай бұрын
The best counter to every hero is yelling at teammates
@RegularlyRegular4 ай бұрын
what do you do if vindicta got a debuff remover, where did the knock down go 😢
@AverageJonas4 ай бұрын
Curse or phantom strike!:)
@BraydonAttoe-xs4yg4 ай бұрын
Metal skin against haze hilarious. Just stood in her face point blank gunning her mid ult
@vBurnedWins4 ай бұрын
can also do return fire for memes, it returns the damage you arent taking
@ОлегСавяк3 ай бұрын
U.ve forgot about meele reduction for Abrams About Dinamo - silenser
@dracvich4 ай бұрын
I love ethereal shift
@kaduquintana15244 ай бұрын
please ! do a Beginners guide for farming !
@jacobhunia74044 ай бұрын
no mirage counter?
@AverageJonas4 ай бұрын
Pretty sure he didnt exist when I made this! But reactive barrier is great:)
@pikkyuukyuun47414 ай бұрын
Vibes in this video are immaculate! (Not a bot comment)
@mh_voltage79743 ай бұрын
my mans im a mcginnis main its a never 1v1 every time i split push i get hit by like 3 ultimates while im alone
@ipinreplayАй бұрын
how ppl i againts with, nowadays cant dispel wrait ults without item ? how to do that ?
@zibefly4 ай бұрын
You know what funny a smaller KZbinr called duckfilms had like the same video pretty much come out a couple hours before yours do you know them? Or like a super coincidence
@ThatRadTech4 ай бұрын
Yeah that’s super funny 😂
@chiefinasmith4 ай бұрын
It’s a pretty common idea for a video
@AverageJonas4 ай бұрын
I don’t know them but its a fairly standars concept hehe
@spacejambluray25914 ай бұрын
You caught him, he’s scrounging lower view videos for content ideas it’s totally not possible and not a coincidence to talk about countering characters in a hero shooter or moba. But it is weird it happened so close together 👀
@SirCrusher4 ай бұрын
I'm not sure about this, but return fire might be extremely strong if multiple people use it against haze
@AverageJonas4 ай бұрын
Maybe but haze also has bullet evasion during ult!
@kridicalxsi11774 ай бұрын
@@AverageJonasHaze ult build properly done has to be one of the most braindead things in the game.
@BennyBornAgain4 ай бұрын
@@kridicalxsi1177Always have to get the right timing. You could say that about a lot of abilities in the game.
@kridicalxsi11774 ай бұрын
@BennyBornAgain He has Smoke Bomb to help him easily get into position or get the timing right. It's beyond easy, and doesn't require teamwork. It's laughable how simple it is.
@cry_csgo4 ай бұрын
My guy nailing it with the Deadlock vids. Appreciate that you moved on from Valorant lol.
@ZaeBae224 ай бұрын
Loving your deadlock content. Fuck valorant. Any TLDRs i can refeer to mid game?
@AverageJonas4 ай бұрын
Haha! Just buy reactive barrier against crowd control. The earlier the better
@Mittoju4 ай бұрын
how about to counter the counters?
@zolo-p3p4 ай бұрын
Counter the counter that counters the counter counter
@ayouboubliha51724 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂 that's why it's a game. They know how to beat you, you know how to beat them. Outplay, focus on basics, sharpen your skill. That's how the game work.
@ИванДобродеев-е3м4 ай бұрын
This video just sold me reactive barrier
@HypnotiKSykotiK4 ай бұрын
Same, maybe we've all been sleeping on it
@MazindoGaming4 ай бұрын
Yes! I requested this video! ♥ 😁
@KnightFearless4 ай бұрын
So all I learned from this video is you are just trying to say healing is too strong. You dont even talk about like slowing fire rate. McGinnis for example you can slow her fire rate and movement alongside reducing her heal... I can't wait for a ranked mode to filter out who knows what they are actually talking about
@AverageJonas4 ай бұрын
Healing is a ten times bigger problem than slowed fire rate that’s why, but godspeed soldier 🫡
@KnightFearless4 ай бұрын
@@AverageJonas I'm not saying you are so much as wrong as you just glazed over something complex with a simple solution. I just personally didn't see the issues and points being made about the characters being so black and white. I didn't mean to sound as rude as looking back on it, but you are 100% essential in bringing this game off it's feet, but 9/10 I see this game having very different people at the forefront of information and what's viable(if it gains the traction it looks like it is going to). I'm not him though I'm too lazy to actually make a video like this so props to you lol.
@proscuitt4 ай бұрын
infernus ult also stops dynamo ult
@izzei-16144 ай бұрын
image try to counter every enemies hero
@shahriarrahman6284 ай бұрын
said it before on a comment please add timestamps
@AverageJonas4 ай бұрын
On it!
@shahriarrahman6284 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot kind sir@@AverageJonas
@r1shi684 ай бұрын
How to apply bombs on urself on bebop mrjonas ??
@gafgarion94204 ай бұрын
be careful using metal skin to counter haze, 2 items jonas didnt mention is shadow weave and spirtual overflow these are the next 2 items she will grab both items increase her ult time drastically and increase fixation dmg like crazy. if you do use metal skin pop it and GTFO do NOT try and ego chal her i recommend warp stone because it has so many other uses as well do not try and use abilities on haze, dont try and kill her just GET OUT
@SanketPardeshi4 ай бұрын
Buy reactive barrier. Got it
@TeachAManToPhish4 ай бұрын
Salmon is pronounced “sammon”, the L is silent
@NightRaven6664 ай бұрын
how to counter bebop dont get hooked lol
@valentines924 ай бұрын
❤
@filipcza23 ай бұрын
Shiv is broken as shit still.. well yeah he CAN be killed if you dedicate your whole build and your teams build to kill him but yeah that makes him broken as shit. And he will curb stomp anyone in lane until you get 10k worth of antiheal
@chaddcordell4 ай бұрын
Anti heal counters everything. Got it. I'll continue not to do that.
@jacksonperez56154 ай бұрын
The better I’ve gotten at the game the more I realize vindicta is the best character in the game
@DearthXalex3 ай бұрын
nothing about mirage?
@Raj_29044 ай бұрын
people commenting people commenting "people commenting first "