How to Deal with Calvinists: A 3-Pronged Approach

This video covers the three pronged approach with which Bible believers should deal with Calvinist Arguments, Calvinists, and Calvinism.
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[@jeremylakenes6859]

We had a Calvinist try to split our church. By the grace of God we sent him packing.

[@truthgardener9983]

Kevin always learning each time I listen to you. Thank you. I never knew what Calvinism was until 3 years ago but despite my ignorance about it, I had been influenced by it!!! You’re right when you say that at some stage in my 43 year walk with the Lord I’d been exposed to the Calvinist way of thinking but I didn’t know it. I had no idea who Calvin was or what he thought or taught, that was until 3 years ago. You have been very helpful in assisting me to become Biblically sound about what predestination is all about and also making me better understand what Calvinism is, and what salvation is all about. I am becoming better at recognizing Calvalism so I can stay away from it and warn others about it too. The learning I do from these videos you do, helps me to improves my presentation of Biblical truth when I speak or share about the Bible to others, so that I do not transfer Calvinistic presumptions in my presentations. So thank you. 😊

[@KevinThompson1611]

Thanks so much for the feedback!

[@SonnyMHouston]

These are the very best videos available on the subject. Thank you Pastor. You have no idea how helpful these are.

[@suekeith]

Thank you! I could not figure out why Calvanists were so prideful, always compelled to have the last word, even if it was a ridiculous one. I’m seeing so many churches being deceived into their philosophy and haven’t been able to explain to the flock their tactics. This helps so much and I’ll listen to your video numerous times.

[@TruthTimeRadio]

Trey Takes a Call From an Ex-Calvinist kzbin.info/www/bejne/hnibgYungc5-mJY

[@slamfire6005]

Because the TULIP plays off their own pride, they are favored by God they are the chosen… something in them pleases God and they are one in a million in their own eyes. Jesus died only for them.. etc.

[@TheHillrat4wd]

They have very narcissistic tendencies

[@Weaton777]

Ha! The church I left used to say "missionary" on it but it was removed. I never knew why... until now. Thanks Kevin. (Wendy on fb.)

[@Weaton777]

I'm reading some on Baptist church history. That there are 2 camps of baptists: general and particular. I think my old church started out general, then transitioned to particular. No one ever knew why "missionary" was removed from the sign. Would this transition explain that? My guess is yes, especially due to the pack of evangelism and no mission support to speak of.

[@sweethometreasures]

Woah. No minced words here. I like it.

[@BigGuy86ed]

I love to Brother Melms voice! Priceless

[@paultrosclair1775]

I just have one question for Calvinists. If you don't believe that Jesus Christ died for everyone, what makes you think He died for YOU ?

[@ShepherdMinistry]

If we have faith and works that accompany that faith that is our reassurance. Question for you. If you believe Christ died for everyone, then why are there some people in remote islands who never hear about the gospel? Are they saved?

[@andrewmorse2181]

​@@ShepherdMinistry you're forgetting that works are not what salvation is based on.

[@andrewmorse2181]

​@@ShepherdMinistryare you arguing that it would be unfair?

[@ShepherdMinistry]

@@andrewmorse2181 I did not say that. I am stating that our fruit is our reassurance that God is working in us.

[@ShepherdMinistry]

@@andrewmorse2181 No, I am not. But the Arminian and provisionist would.

[@SpielbergMichael]

Brilliant! Cutting through the smoke and mirrors of the false arguments! It’s so powerful and illuminating. And I love that you use advice from Proverbs to do it :) Praise Jesus!

[@JustMe-mn4gr]

If they use the argument strategy of appealing to authority such as, "Don't you think so-and-so with such-and-such impressive credentials knows what he's talking about? Do you think you know scripture and understand it better than he does?" I have simply answered, "I see no reason to think so-and-so is infallible." This hints at the fact that it should be scripture, which is infallible, that they ought to be citing, not so-and-so's system or framework. Also, I believe in Jesus and believe the Bible not man-made frameworks or systems.

[@myraride9563]

Happening now in our church in the Philippines, youth that's been growing were converted to calvinism doctrine ,recruiting them online last year when it was lockdown due to pandemic and continuously spreading all over churches, within the body of Christ.

[@maxmateush7090]

Praise God! I’m praying that more church’s would convert to the doctrines of grace.

[@bobbyadkins6983]

@@maxmateush7090 To the true doctrines of grace and not Calvinism.

[@JerichoLeon]

His blood cleanses us from our sins. Not just His blood per se, but His shed blood on the cross, i.e. His death. But you are right that without His resurrection our faith would be in vain because He was raised for our justification.

[@adrianvarela8890]

Read Romans 5:10 and ask yourself what is the subject of saved and what is the subject of reconcile. Then ask the Lord to shine light in you! Then share to others. GBY. 2Cor.13.14

[@GodsTruthMinistries]

Excellent video! Thanks for posting this on such a much needed subject. Keep up the fine work!

[@jannawalters232]

I found this today, and lately I've been very upset about this doctrine!! I feel we can't just ignore this. Listening to this video now. Unbelievable they think God predestines some for Hell.

[@kloponline]

Thank you for these videos. I've learned so much. I have people close to me wrapped up in this doctrine and your efforts are equipping me to present the truth. I would like to view your videos in some kind of logical order to cover as much as possible and make the content more understandable. Could you suggest a sequence of which video to watch first then second etc?

[@mikequick8743]

Why would a Calvinist try to convert a non-Calvinist? Aren’t non-Calvinists considered the “non-elect”?? If non-Calvinists are considered the non-elect how can they be converted in the first place? Where does predestination lie according to the Calvinist philosophy if they’re trying to make a non Calvinist church into a Calvinist church?? The Calvinist view has no substance of truth or biblical backing.

[@ShepherdMinistry]

No, non Calvinist are not considered non elect. Who’s telling you this stuff?

[@knockout4121]

@@ShepherdMinistryI see he had no answer

[@LesleyAL0077]

Thanks for your videos!

[@edwardfriedrich411]

Good Topic Kevin aka “Black Rifle “ good coffee Black and Green. I like to add that I deal with Calvinist the same way I deal with Narcissist, and through you I’m learning the biblical response to Calvinist we can’t change them! But we can expose them! The spirit of truth will take care of the rest. Thanks again

[@jamesvan2201]

I know this is an old video, but just gotta give my witness. I had high hopes in jesus. My faith was a bit shaky, but i was working on it. Suddenly i watched a calvinist video. (Didnt know what calvinism was at the time.) Then i discovered what calvinism was. It made me feel great because with my faith, i knew i was one of those "predestined" to heaven. I watched a few more videos and learned calvinist points (t.u.l.i.p) and slowly my faith started to die. Suddenly, id felt predestined for hell. Calvinism seems soft and fluffy. Warm and cuddly at first. Thats how it gets you. It makes you feel like you are perfectly safe because God specially selected you for salvation and that means nothing can make you fall....but then that cute, warm fuzzy little ball bares its razor sharp teeth and sinks its fangs right into your heel. They find one thing. One weakness and they exploit the literal hell out of it. (Or should i say into it?) And make you feel like youre actually one of the poor souls who lost the cosmic lottery and god predestined you to hell. And when you ask what you do to be saved again, they tell you you never were, but if you really wanna be saved, you gotta do all these commandments that will then, somehow prove you were actually predestined to heaven in the first place. But only by obeying commands etc. Its a highly works based cult, masquerading as a predestined faith based salvation. Worst doctrine ive had the extreme misfortune of ever encountering. I sometimes wonder if i need counseling to help remove the calvinist trash from my brain.

[@rosstemple7617]

1Jn 2:2 and he is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the whole world. World is cosmos here and they take this as only those under God’s “orderly arrangement.” Morally arranged. So to them they’re also morally superior as well, but they won’t come right out and say that. God only saves His obedient children. But theirs is work based. Which all cults do this. God works in you to do. Not my accomplishments. But isn’t the ones denied by Christ knowing them, are the ones boasting of their works. One of my favorite verses I use is: Mat 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.31:15

[@mariepybus3237]

I don’t believe in calvinism my oldest brother has become a calvinist and I’ve tried to talk with him and he thinks he knows everything he will believe anything he hears he even doubted our mothers salvation she passed away in 2004 my mother was saved and is with God in Heaven

[@aceohartz81]

Kevin, I appreciate this video. You mentioned that there were books that these folks use to kind of set a schedule for turning a church toward Calvinism, a step by step approach, can you send me the list of those particular books you were alluding to?

[@saltyforjesus]

Thank you brother for making this video! God bless yoU!

[@edwardfriedrich411]

Calvinism is the most dangerous weapon in the true church

[@ShepherdMinistry]

How so

[@katiefaith5381]

False doctrine

[@TruceForChrist]

Wow brother Kevin , No words ....... Thank you . Praying for you

[@myraride9563]

Loved the video brother , thanks for sharing!God bless you.

[@pedrovaldivia7694]

The father of catholicism is Augustine, the father of calvinists is Augustine. Priceless😂😂😂😂

[@marteld2108]

The "Father" of Catholicism is Jesus Christ Himself.....you lack knowledge in historical Christianity and the Scriptures.

[@shredhed572]

@@marteld2108 That is a red herring. The point is who introduced gnostic ideas into the church.

[@HolyMolysDonutShop]

@@marteld2108 let's not kid ourselves that it started that way. You blot out certain parts of history to make catholicism look holy.

[@jesuslovesyou1921]

@@marteld2108 as an ex catholic, that's not true. Almost 100% of catholics don't know what the bible teaches about being born again and hence they are not part of the body of Christ. Most catholics arent saved and headed to hell because they follow a man made, works based, religion.

[@marteld2108]

@@jesuslovesyou1921...you are sadly mistaken. I was ready to join Protestantism until I critically researched the movement from a Logical, Historical, and Scriptural aspect. It failed on all three. Protestantism cannot be the True Faith because there are over 100 different denominations.

[@holysmokesaj4746]

Hey, I’m in Fairhope Alabama all the time. I live very close to Fairhope. Great video! I also think that Calvinistic theology is one of the most deceptive and wicked ideas to ever plant itself.On earth

[@KevinThompson1611]

I pass through there a lot.

[@douggauzy6258]

John Mcauther is the pope of Calvinism .

[@hopeandjazz9535]

This happened to a Baptist church I was a member of.

[@junegerber4028]

probably many of them!!

[@jantz01]

I always wondered how or why Paul Washer calls himself a Baptist and a Calvinist at the same time. The Baptist Churches I go to is not Calvinist

[@ShepherdMinistry]

Some Baptist churches are reformed.

[@ScottBrennanAnthony]

Excellent instruction and teaching. Thanks Kevin.

[@monkizaki1440]

I grieve because of this perversion of the gospel within the church. And how it has filled with arrogance most who follow it. Please God... Lead us to truth by the conviction of your Spirit. Do not leave us alone here on earth, but may we feel your presence as it is in heaven.

[@JustMe-mn4gr]

Can someone explain to me why so many Christians frequently use phrases like "covered in the blood of Jesus?" This seems like some recent phenomenon to me. And my intuition keeps telling me there's something amiss with this preference to say covered by the blood or in the blood rather than saved. So far I don't think I've heard any scripture that uses those phrases.

[@katiefaith5381]

I think because of Romans, 4:7-8 Our sins are covered and it's only the blood of Christ that could do that.. Maybe that's your answer

[@kylerobidoux2385]

Calvinism spits on the God of the Bible...and I have a problem with that. A big problem. God is different than what they think of when they think of “sovereign”, so they create a different god. God is sovereign, make no mistake about it, but in his sovereignty he CHOSE to give man free will. If you don’t get why he would do that, I don’t know what to say...He also chose to become a baby born in a barn and then grow up and be humiliated and tortured by his own creation to give sinners the option of eternal life with him...It’s drawdropping stuff here... that’s the beauty of God’s love...Sorry if you don’t like that, but I think that’s the most beautiful thing I’ve ever seen. Interestingly enough, when Jesus gave us a guide to prayer, he told us to call him “Father”...I mean God is so relational it’s like ???? Of course we can’t understand that kind of love, but it’s the way it is. Praise His name. Whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. Bethany

[@douglasmcnay644]

Sounds like you need to reread the Word.

[@sigalsmadar4547]

@@douglasmcnay644 Where did she go wrong?

[@kimby468]

My question is, do Calvinist twist the scriptures on purpose and then teach it? Or do they not know truly what they are teaching and they honestly think it’s the truth? I haven’t had anyone be able to answer this question.

[@ShepherdMinistry]

I genuinely believe in the doctrines of grace.

[@DamonNomad82]

I would say it's six of one, half a dozen of the other. Your average, low info, rank-and-file Calvinists tend to honestly believe what they're told, and cheerfully defer to their leaders on what to believe. In this, they are hardly alone, as believers in most systems commonly do the exact same thing, from Roman Catholics to liberal mainline Protestants. The leaders, on the other hand, know there are serious logical contradictions to their system (at least the leaders who have average IQs or above). They will mostly double down on it though, as to do otherwise will take away not only their reputations, but in many cases their incomes, as no one from an established group likes a former member who has "gone rogue". Again, while it is true of Calvinists, it isn't unique to them by any means.

[@cherubimX]

Great video. Greetings from Germany.

[@douggauzy6258]

You’re 100 percent correct . Watched 15 videos from a former Calvinist Dr. George Stringer . He has said the exact same thing . The Calvinist. Integrates. The True Gospel church . You sound like you have. Listened to Stringer . You sound very comparable.

[@rosstemple7617]

Predestined to them means few God reveals His light too. Others He leaves or keeps in darkness. To His sovereign glory. Pre horizoned. My favorite on this is: 1Pe 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. Why would God need to foreknow anything if He predetermined them before they was ever born. Which brings in the next misquoted scripture. Rom 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) Rom 9:12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. Rom 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. Children is added. That’s not the original Old Testament text. Mal 1:2 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, Mal 1:3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness. The context is the nation, not the individual.

[@RubenAranaDowns]

Yooo my dude is haaaard. He said he don’t know where RCSproul ended up. 💣

[@timkooper]

Rc said it about himself at one point I believe

[@5winder]

Scripted or not... well done. I pray the Lord protect you, so that you may continue.

[@jefferypassagecpa9125]

5winder Too much awesome stuff to not be somewhat scripted.

[@SamuelAndElsha]

Right Doctrine again shows he is full of darkness.

[@MrSteviej893]

I love your ministry, and appreciate the time and work you put in as relates to sharing the gospel...however, I'm just curious as to why devote so much time to refuting Calvinists, as opposed to just ensuring that the lost receive the Word? This amounts to a bunch of infighting amongst believers causing the world to look at us and think, 'if that's what the church is supposed to be like, I'll stay where I am.' Please understand, I'm NOT saying that you shouldn't refute error because Scripture clearly tells us to. I'm just curious as to why so much devoted only to them?

[@KevinThompson1611]

Steve, this is a great question. So great, in fact, that I anticipated it and answered this exact question in the first few minutes of the video. Lol The reason is because there is a deliberate covert effort that’s been under weigh for years, to take over non-Calvinists churches with Calvinism, especially in the SBC. It is a serious ecclesiastical doctrinal battle, for which people need to be equipped. Most of the arguments against Calvinism are based on Calvinist premises, mistakenly, and therefore, inadvertently just create future Calvinists. Not only must this onslaught be opposed, but it must be opposed correctly, that is, on the basis of scriptural authority, and not on philosophy and false premises as usually happens. Also, this is KZbin. It is what it is. I actually do have some great material on the channel that I believe is essential that covers basic, non-Calvinism related issues, but they don’t generate any interest, and don’t get any views. So there’s a struggle between reaching people with a steady diet of truth, but also doing so in a way that helps the channel survive, or else there won’t be ANY content at all. All that being said, your comments, positive, negative, etc. are all valuable. Please keep them coming. Thanks for watching.

[@MrSteviej893]

Thanks for the quick response. I guess I had been focused on how the enemy has been using different things of the world to infiltrate the church (i.e. music, self-willed 'leaders,' and such, that I hadn't thought of the approach you mentioned. I also didn't realize that your other material hadn't been generating a lot of views. I enjoy all of it. I do have to admit, I hadn't started watching this one before I saw the title including "...Calninists," which was why I asked the question. Again, thanks for all that you do on behalf of the Kingdom of God

[@MrSteviej893]

Yeah because you heard me say to relax, or that God has already ordained them to hell, right? If you read the entirety of my initial question, I simply asked why so much focus on just one group. The question was answered and additional insight was given. I'm not a spiritual lightweight or novice.

[@mattwright3553]

I've also found that in the process of de-calvinizing scripture, I've learned more about soteriology, ecclesiology and eschatology. It's actually quite clever to deliver the gospel in this direction. Not only will you achieve more clicks but you will also package so many answers to relevant questions; essentially delivering a product that will kill 3-4 birds with one stone. I think it's brilliant!

[@marceloribeirosimoes8959]

Great tips at the end.

[@MarkRidlen]

It is impossible for a Calvinist to sin. Paul says that we are dead to sin. "What can a dead man do?"

[@junegerber4028]

I've known some dead men who look at porn. Good luck with that false premise.

[@sigalsmadar4547]

@@junegerber4028 I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic!

[@Rightlydividing-wx1xb]

In case anyone is interested, believing is God's work according to Jesus Christ himself in John 6:28-29. Calvinism is easily refuted, effortless, from Genesis to Revelation. One only has to give just a couple clear verses to destroy the foundation of Augustinian Calvinism: 1) their definition of Sovereign and 2) a Miticulous Determinism. See 1 Samuel 23:6-13; Jeremiah 7:31. Remember, these and Tulip and 2 other doctrines equal 9 total points- not just 5 called Tulip. The 7 not mentioned above are utterly impossible without the above 2 doctrines as they teach that human beings have no ability to either follow God's will or run contrary to it and God determines every single thought, word, and action that every single person will think, say, and do. Every doctrine given to the Body of Christ under Grace not law are in clear language and plain context within the Epistles specifically addressing the Body of Christ under Grace not law. Calvinists cannot give any explicit verses for their 9 points or doctrines from Genesis to Revelation. Also, 1 other thing, if only the elect is meant in Romans 5:18 for example, then only Calvinists are condemned according to the same verse. Also, if God only desires or as a Calvinist will say in 2 Peter 3:9, wishes all would come to repentance (the Greek just means God's will is all come) he doesn't really mean or will all. However, in Acts 17:30 God's breathed words say God "commands" all people everywhere to repent. God doesn't just wish... He commands. If he only means he commands the elect then only the election, that is Calvinists, are condemned per Romans 5:18 if the Calvinist is correct, which they are not per crystal clear language and plain context from Genesis to Revelation. Calvinism does not just believe predestination is just for salvation, it is a Miticulous Determinism of all that exists and lives and everything thought, said, or done according to Stoics and Knostics.

[@JLeppert]

Hey brother. Two questions: 1) how can i support your videos 2) can i get the slides to this. I'm a learn by reading and taking hand notes kinda guy.

[@TruthTimeRadio]

Trey Takes a Call From an Ex-Calvinist kzbin.info/www/bejne/hnibgYungc5-mJY

[@slamfire6005]

With the God of Calvinism who needs Satan?

[@RezG_777]

They don't. He is just an instrument of God not a true enemy anyway.

[@jimkraft9445]

Calvinist do not evangelize the lost, even their own children, because they do not know whether God chose them or not. And the only way for them to know, is looking at their works. All Calvinist are fruit inspectors. If you are a Calvinist, you have made Jesus Lord of your life. Works salvation. Matthew :21-23. Those that trust in their works, are not saved because the have never done the will of His Father.. John 6:40 And this is the will of Him who sent me, that ALL that seeth the Son, and believeth on Him, may have everlasting life, and I will raise him up on the last day. John 6:29 Jesus, answered, and said unto them, this is the work of God, that ye Believe on the one He has sent. None of them believe John 3:16 through 18. Or John 3:36. it does not square with what they already believe. John MacArthur wrote in his book, hard to be saved on page 93. It is not the words we speak but the life we live that determines our eternal destiny. Works salvation. All of them add works to grace. Not Romans 11:6 and Romans 4:4-8. They always add something you have to do in order to receive the free gift of eternal life. Romans 6:23 Ephesians 2:8-9 only makes sense to them because God gave them the faith to believe, and He did not give it to you. They can read First Timothy 2:4 but they can not believe it. And they will always mx law/works with grace, and mix discipleship with salvation which are two different things completely. They believe we are saved by following Jesus instead of believing the gospel. First Corinthians 15:1-4. And if you are not living up to their Pharisee law, you are not one of the chosen, and were never given the free gift of the Holy Spirit or you would not live like that. They are the self righteous hypocrite Pharisees that Jesus had to deal with before. Nothing has changed. Galatians 2:21 I do not void the grace of God, for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. And that is exactly what they believe. We have to save our selves and Jesus died in vain.

[@ShepherdMinistry]

Faith without works is dead.

[@jimkraft9445]

If we could be saved by works then Jesus died in vain. Romans 3:26-28 For He is the just and the justifier of them that BELIEVE in Jesus. Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? By the law of works? Nay, but by the law of FAITH. Therefore we conclude a man is justified by FAITH apart from the deeds of the law. Galatians 2:21. Romans 6:23 For the penalty for sin is death, but the GIFT of God is eternal life, through Jesus Christ our Lord. John 6:47. Acts 16:31. John 3:16-18. First John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that BELIEVE on the name of the Son of God, that ye may KNOW YE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. God cannot lie. John 6:47.

[@ShepherdMinistry]

@@jimkraft9445 I never said works save us. I said faith without works is dead. James 2:17 [17] So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

[@jimkraft9445]

James was writing to his brethren. Believing Jews. First verse. He was telling them to go on to good works for profit in heaven. Not for salvation. Romans 4:5. Romans 11:6. Ephesians 2:8-9. Saved by grace unto good works for rewards in heaven. First Corinthians 3:11-15. Saved by faith alone apart from works. Romans 4:5. Matthew 7:21-23 Those that trust in their works have not done the will of His Father in Heaven. John 6:40 and John 6:29. Romans 6:23 For the penalty for sin is death, and we all sin, First John 1:8, and we all die, but the GIFT of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. It cannot be earned or worked for. The GIFT of God is eternal life. No one can earn it. A gift is paid in full by the giver. A reward is something you earn or work for. And the wrath of God comes on the children of disobedience. Colossians 3:5-6. Salvation is free. Discipleship is for rewards in heaven and to keep from the chastening of the Lord. First Corinthians 3:11-15. And Colossians 3:5-6. First John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that BELIEVE on the name of the Son of God, that ye may KNOW YE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. Paid in full by the GIVER. Romans 3:26-28.

[@ShepherdMinistry]

@@jimkraft9445 Are you saying a true saved Christian will not produce good works after being saved?

[@anthonyloibl2945]

Calvinist don't advertise that they are Calvinists on their website or church posters. Mischief is my opinion Every church should advertise what they believe. It's mis advertising and that is illegal. You see a church online that doesn't advertise that they are Calvinists, you end up going there and finding out they are Calvinist. It's like buying something off eBay only to find out it's not what was advised It's like buying a stuffed toy based on a picture only to find out it's stuffed inside with stones instead of cotton. That's an illustration I think of that explains the deceitfulness of it all. If I knew they where Calvinism (a toy stuffed with stones) I would never go there or buy the toy Mischief, and they don't even comprehend it

[@ericb.1384]

My first "huh?" moment was when a random guy came up to me at church and started talking about when he "really got saved." He was talking about him accepting the tenants of Calvinism, and doing good works. This conversation came out of NOWHERE, and had me genuinely confused why he was even talking to me (talking AT me, really). Now I know. My faith in Christ's fully atoning death on my part isn't enough for them.

[@timothykeith1367]

Calvinism is spreading to Southern Baptist churches because so many evangelical congregations are becoming woke and the worship service now sounds like a bad rock concert. Pastors have been teaching minimally from the Bible or they just "wing it" and aren't prepared. Reformed congregations teach as if those in attendance are adults and are believers. Many people who are bookish who then experience expository preaching enjoy the difference, it is superior to the pragmatic "recipe theology" : How to have financial success, How to have make friends, How to get a promotion at work etc, the various "how to" sermons that are almost totally devoid of the Bible and appeal to non-believers as well as nominal Christians. Those who have attended probably have forgotten almost everything that was said two days later, yet they have some repetitive chanting chorus stuck in their mind all week. There are excellent topical preachers, but the discipline of expository preaching is catching on in some congregations. Get rid of kiddie sermons, teach the Bible as if the people are adults. A century ago most Baptists did that, they can learn to do it again. Yesterday, in my Calvinist church I heard only one brief phrase that would remind me of that I was in a Reformed worship service : "Justification by Faith Alone"

[@RepentfollowJesus]

The more I read the more I see everyone here acting the way they claim Calvinists do. Why is that? You guys are being really hateful. I don't understand. What denomination are you guys anyway? Im not being ugly im just seeking answers to my questions and observations.

[@EssenceofPureFlavor]

Mary Wylde I see that too. It's very sad. I myself have big issues with Calvinism, which is how I came across this video, but they are brothers and sisters in Christ.

[@SamOwenI]

I tend to find many different beliefs represented in the comments section of anti-calvinism videos. Different kinds of baptists, Catholics, open theists, pelagians, the list goes on. One thing you will notice is that this broad collection of beliefs are all united by a belief in human autonomy. What I would say though is it's important to avoid appealing to emotions. I'm a Calvinist, and so I understand how unpleasant it is to be referred to as not believing the bible, and trying to infiltrate non-calvinist churches to lead them astray etc. But it doesn't help to appeal to your emotions. Why not ask questions, or make points instead? That said, I've tried these things before, and the owner of the channel just repeated his points, so that's why I won't be responding this time.

[@lakedays3708]

Love the Calvinist to hell or love the Calvinist to eternal life... hummm it hard to know which is the right thing for a believer to do! I know, WWJD!?!

[@lakedays3708]

so you aren't responding this time or you did respond this time? You Calvinist sure confuse things with your word games.

[@millsm43]

My son in law has recently started going to a reform theology church and it reeks of a cult. In Ezekiel Sodom and Gomorrah's destruction was mentioned. There were destroyed because of their pride. Calvinists tend to be a proud lot and do not believe that salvation is from repentance. You cannot have repentance and pride in the same vessel. They are opposites. Proverbs does a good job of showing how self pride is foolishness. To me calvinism is pure heresy because it goes against the character of God. According to them I am more loving and compassionate than God is and I cannot believe this to be true.

[@believein1]

Jesus died for the sin of the whole world. If His death alone saves, then everyone would be saved. That isn’t true. We must repent for our sins to be forgiven. In His mercy, Gods shows grace to those who choose to repent and believe, and it is His pardon that saves us from His punishment. Jesus’ sacrifice provided a WAY for our sins to be forgiven and to allow God to show us mercy. We are saved BY GRACE (His pardon) THROUGH FAITH (by repenting and believing).

[@sorenrousseau]

You do such a good job setting up a scenario of how someone likely is introduced to calvinism lol. You can probably make a strong argument for boasting.

[@bstein9500]

Same exact thing with 7th day. "Does it seem fair that God would punish people forever?" It doesn't matter what it seems to me. They have no scriptures that days 'what seems fair to you, that believe'!

[@justusxii9237]

You're in my prayers

[@tivmego]

***Every calvinist claim is nothing more than clever word games design to detract you from the scriptures.*** That is a golden statement I come across everytime I chat with a calvinist. There are a couple of such witty calvinists have met. Always demand scriptures from them. They will choke immediately.

[@5winder]

*designed to *distract … sorry... I'm a teacher.

[@tivmego]

5winder Thanks. I type so fastly that my phone autocompletes the spelling by guessing most of the times wrongly.

[@SamuelAndElsha]

Right Doctrine seems to think Christ was not the Son of God. He is not upright.

[@tivmego]

Samuel and Elsha Just ignore that one. He is mentally not stable. Sometimes you read his replies and wonder how someone could be that puerile.

[@saltyforjesus]

Calvinists do not believe in the evangelization of the lost, i mean why do that? They are saved, and if someone else is not, they are probably just not 'elected' to be saved. "Not my problem" they say. That is rebellion.

[@ShepherdMinistry]

Why are you spreading lies?

[@toddhawk9921]

That is not true. You are speaking out of ignorance. Some of the greatest evangelists in church history have been Calvinists.

[@rolandoalday1073]

Hey,how can I support your ministtry in a small way?

[@KevinThompson1611]

You could donate if you wish. We badly need a new computer and the specs make it pretty expensive. beyondthefundamentals.com/donate.html

[@KevinThompson1611]

Or, you could produce a full transcript of the following video, complete with punctuation, grammar, capitalization, speakers labeled on each paragraph, and paragraph timestamps. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bnbWkIqKesyNfqcsi=B7tAZG-VgCtIrrH2

[@PastorBillwillard2147]

Hold on Kevin I'm confused. how can you say you would have respect and can be a brother to a man who starts a Presbyterian church on Calvinistic doctrine that you say is Evil.

[@timffoster]

Exactly. As I pointed out to someone else, This is just one of many confusing and contradictory positions that Kevin holds. And if that weren't bad enough, Baptists started out as Calvinists (London Baptist Confession of the 1600s is thoroughly Calvinistic), and it was 200 years before they started drifting away from their calvinistic Moorings. So how are Baptists Calvinists evil and wicked for trying to bring their denomination back to their original position, right next to Presbyterian "brothers"?

[@jamessahagun8888]

It’s about being diligent and honest, upfront about what you believe. Also not being a sly fox 🦊 trying to reform a church secretly with Calvinism.

[@susiedyck4914]

I see what he's saying Presbyterian churches and calvinist that believe in double predestination are honest with themselves and to others. I respect that. However we went to a church for 3 years after 6 months they got in a new pastor. In those 2.5 years they had secret meetings and slowly bringing in this doctrine to the church leaders. I always felt something was off. I just never pointed my finger to the church, because we trusted them. Soon after we moved they came out and said that the church would now be a calvinist church. They had planned to take the church from the congregation. (Most of the congregation also didn't know what the church leaders were doing). I felt completely lied to. And I think it was evil what they were doing to many brother and sisters in Christ💔

[@katiefaith5381]

Same

[@LastDays7]

Calvinists response: Stop skipping around.

[@highdesertfarm5067]

The download link isn't working. Is there another way i can get this slide to download?

[@KevinThompson1611]

Sorry for the link being down. The website is currently being updated. Please send me an email @ [e-mail] and remind me, and I’ll get this updated first thing in the morning.

[@KevinThompson1611]

The new download link is here: beyondthefundamentals.com/legacy-documents.html

[@claytonbenignus4688]

What happens to Scriptural Authority if you edit the Bible to your liking? There are fare too many edited Bibles such as the Geneva Bible, the ESV, and the New World Translation.

[@TheApologeticDog]

Arminianism is a form of Calvinism.... oh my hahahaha!

[@Baltic_Hammer6162]

Arminius only "tweaked" some areas he saw weren't inline with Scripture. The reaction was exactly the same as the Vatican's reaction to any questioning or tweaking of their doctrines or Magisterium.

[@Ihayden]

People only say this when they don't know church history.

[@evabreneisen9086]

Is there a video that talks about what John 6:44 might truly mean in light of 2 Peter 3:9 and 1 Tim:2:4?

[@ranchg]

Please help. I don’t believe the Calvinist viewpoint but I’m extremely confused when it comes to the “hearing” aspect. The problem arises when I read John 8:43-47: 43Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. 46Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? 47He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God. Does this mean that we have to be regenerated before we can even understand the gospel? Everything else you’ve said makes sense, so I’m very confused. I’m also confused about this passage as it seems to contradict: John 5:24-29 24Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. 25Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. 26For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; 27And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. 28Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. All will hear, but those who hear shall live, but then some who hear will come forth to be damned? I can’t make sense of it and that is why I am hoping you can help. Thank you for your time, God bless you!

[@tivmego]

Rachel Gieleghem Simply ask yourself: *Is there anything in those verses* *that talks about anyone* *regenerating first before they* *could believe?* Always step back from the presupposition a calvinist throw at you during a debate. The text is plainly saying they(NOT God caused them) did not believe. That is something they they chose to do. This was why Christ put the blame on them. If they were helpless and CANNOT believe on their own, then Christ would regenerate them. It is like Christ rebuking you for not dying for the sins of the world. You CANNOT die for the sins of the world. That is not in your ABILITY but you can choose to believe or disbelieve. If you go the latter, it is because you are holding on to self. In the text, the listeners were holding on to their disguised belief in being the children of Abraham, which means they want to continue in their sins while using that as an excuse and thus don't need Christ. This is synonymous to being the children of the devil who is a liar. If you want to go deep into the context, I can explain further but this had no calvinistic writings. Just that calvinists are good at logical leaps with no connection to the text.

[@valeriereneeharper]

Years ago……I came to Calvinist conclusions without knowing Calvinism even existed. Guess you could say I lived under a rock. But I was in a very dark time in my life and very much into occultic ideas. And by myself in a dark place, I looked into scripture and by my own conclusion and observation, I determined the only thing that made sense to me was that I myself was sin (not that I had sinned but that I was sin, my existence was sin I guess you could say) and was convinced of what is described as limited atonement without knowing anything about that ideology. I definitely thought of myself higher than I should have at that point in my life, but it’s interesting that I came to some Calvinist ideas on my own in my intellect, without having any clue as to this thing called Calvinism. And I thought wrong about predestination and all these TULIP things without ever knowing of calvinism. And let me tell you, it troubled me to my core but I thought it was true, I thought that’s what scripture plainly spelled out. It was only after being humbled that I sought these ideas out and it was a long journey finding this thing called calvinism, and listening to many sides of calvinism and many sides of other sects of Christianity until I heard strong and sound explanation of the two main conflicting views and being assured again that the good God that I thought existed, the same God that started looking less than good in my dark point in life and reading scripture wrongly, and to find out that it was wrong and the good God I believed existed before was the true God and humble men of God explaining the scriptures in love, in correction, in soundness, in truth that I felt like I could take a breath again as though it felt through my dark journey I was holding my breath the whole time. So I would say that people can come to Calvinist ideas just from reading scripture but the root of it stems from the conceit of that person’s heart.

[@Davina249]

Do you have a video that talks about salvation in the new testement being about glorification? I have never heard that, but im only 1 week out of calvinism so im starting from ground 0

[@Baltic_Hammer6162]

I grew up immersed in Purest Calvinism 24/7 and it drove me to near athieism by age 20. 30 years in the desert and I start "feeling" the drawing. I didn't want to waste time on potentially false teachers or material. So I prayed sincerely to be led to the truth and no lies, lead me to righteous teachers who speak no lies and give me the discernment to sort the truth from the garbage. I prayed this frequently for some time. Very subtely I started being lead to a string of different sources (almost all on KZbin). Every topic was perfect for me at the moment which built up my knowledge and gradually, faith. I did not tell anyone or ask anyone because the 1st thing that'll happen is books by false teachers and blind guides will be shoved in my face. This would be counter-productive and a train wreck from the start. I did not make conscious decisions on topic, timing or teachers. The Holy Spirit will guide you from step to step in absolute perfection. God knows what you need or lack, far better than family or any humans. Don't try to rush the process as you're not in charge. If you want to be in charge then you'll lead yourself astray. Eight years ago I felt the urge/need to "get serious" about the Bible. Its an amazing journey which I'm still on and the Bible continues to reveal more and more. Words fail at describing the Scriptures and working of the Holy Spirit.

[@aprilandavette]

While I don't agree with with you on much of this, I do find it interesting to see your reasoning as to why you have come to those conclusions. Do you have a way to contact you outside of KZbin?

[@TruthTimeRadio]

Trey Takes a Call From an Ex-Calvinist kzbin.info/www/bejne/hnibgYungc5-mJY

[@jimkraft9445]

Both Calvinism and Armianism are works based doctrines of devils. They are Matthew 7:21-23 Jesus said, Many will come before me on that day, and tell me about all their good works. We called you Lord, prophesied in your name, we cast out demons in your name, and did many wonderful works, in your name. Then I will declare unto them, I never knew you. Not I did know you and now I don't, I never knew you. Why, Jesus tells us why in the first verse. They never did the will of His Father. Of course they twist this to mean they were not doing the works that God requires. Keeping the law. But That is not what Jesus meant. John 6:40 And this is the will of him who sent me, that ALL that seeth the Son, and believeth on Him, may have everlasting life, and I will raise him up on the last day. Romans 11:6 It is all grace, not works, Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace ye are saved, through FAITH, and that not of yourselves, (we did nothing for it) it is the GIFT of God, not of works, lest any man should boast. You can not boast in a free gift. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, and we all sin and we all die, but the GIFT of God is eternal life, through Jesus Christ our Lord. John 6:28-29 Then said they unto Him, what shall we do that we might work the works of God? Jesus, answered, and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on the one He has sent. Romans 4:2 If Abraham were justified by works, he would have something to glory in, but not before God. We can justify our selves before men by good works, but not before God. You give them this verse, John 3:16 And they say, well, you can not just believe to be saved. Your life has to change. So we have a bunch of people who changed their life and go to hell. Phariseeism is alive and well. Things are no different now than when Jesus came the first time. The religious leaders are blind leading the blind. Rather than give people the gospel, First Corinthians 15:1-4 They tell them to dry off before they take the life preserver. They have to repent of their sins or some other false way. Repent for salvation is the Greek word metanoeo which means to go from unbelief to belief. It means to quit trusting in your dead works to save you to trusting in what Jesus did to save you. Jesus plus nothing equals salvation by grace. what he did for us, not what we do. We can not save ourselves. Romans 4:4-5 How hard do you have to work for the free gift? Oh! but you have to persevere in the faith or you were never really saved. Second Timothy 2:13 If we believe not, He abideth faithful, He can not deny Himself. His Holy Spirit that lives in all believers. John 3:18. Romans 8:9 Ephesians 1:13 and 4:30. There is no such thing an unborn again believer. Legalism is the leaven of the Pharisee's. Jesus said, by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. Galatians 2:21 I do not void the grace of God, for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. Most of the people in our churches are believing the lies of Satan that we can save our selves if we just quit sinning. The way that seems right to men, but is the way of sin and death. Every false gospel is works based that we can do something to save our selves, and Jesus died in vain. I can not find a church that is not in some form of apostasy where I live. That is a sad state of affairs. But, Jesus said it would be that way in the last days of the church age. Sorry for my rant Kevin. But we are to defend the faith once given to the saints. God hates every false way. Jesus is the only way, because there is no other way.

[@jimkraft9445]

If you are a believer you aught to live right to keep from the chastening of the Lord, and for rewards in heaven, but living right never saved one person. NEVER. Thank God, no one can pluck me from His hand. John 10:28-29. People ask me if I can lose my salvation. I tell them no, but you can lose yours.

[@rudyrodriguez7747]

So I guess Prov. 18:13 doesn't apply to you as you are answering a matter before you hear it...???

[@tannerfrancisco8759]

We've heard that doctrine of demons 1000 times, and it's always the same because the drones are trained to be Calvinist apologists.

[@williamswallers1709]

Can you give more insights into the glorification point you made is object not sin as it was paid on cross? It seems this would be universalism if this were case, at hearing this, which isn’t scriptural I know. Thanks!

[@katiefaith5381]

This all makes me so very sad of how many saints are being exposed to this unknowingly, and will sit in this teaching like a frog boiling in water.😢 I now have to leave my church where I've only been for a year. The pastor was mostly Arminian, and handed us off to a Calvinist When he retired... I've only recently discovered it when he told us 2 weeks ago from the pulpit That God gives grace only to some and that we only have free will within GOD'S s will. Can't find either in scripture. Hope I can find a new fellowship😢

[@3leon306]

As a practicing Catholic, I understand the challenge of countering arguments for predestination and double predestination ... read the New Testament as a denier of free will and it’s nonsense

[@timffoster]

What is Aquinas' position on both predestination and free will? You might be interested to know that both Augustin and Calvin affirmed "free will". Augustin even wrote a book on it.

[@Notsureanymore441]

How can anyone ever be a Christian and a catholic at the same time. Heresy and error so bad, please friend you need to read your Bible

[@3leon306]

@@Notsureanymore441 where to begin ... Catholics gave the world the Bible. The Bible itself has no mandate for sola scriptura AND it has no criteria for establishing the canon of scripture. Christ didn’t leave his apostles scripture (that came 400 years later) he left his church, the Catholic Church (even with all of its challenges). lastly, I’ll ask that you identify a single Catholic belief that isn’t Biblical, can you? You need to let go of your cultural anti-Catholic bias and talking points and read, try Trent Horn or Jimmy Akin or Catholic Answers ...

[@3leon306]

@@timffoster the Catholic Church affirms both free will and God’s covenantal predestined plan ... it’s mystery no different from the trinity

[@e_brangelical]

Great video! Quick question. Have you seen Dr. Andrew Farley's sermon on predestination/Calvinism? He not Calvinist and I think he explains it well. Would love to hear what you think. He is a doctor in linguistics and you especially see it show up in that predestination puzzle sermon. Not planning on doing "grace in your face" with my Calvinist friends😂, but I feel more ready for when the inevitable conversations come up. God needs to set their minds free from that corruption.

[@e_brangelical]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/iKm2lnuKjddmmtk

[@KevinThompson1611]

Thanks for sharing that. I’m looking at his stuff now. You might also enjoy our video on predestination. Predestination: It's Nothing Like You Were Told kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZu3l2hurpqNgck

[@lesleywilleyvideos]

Thank you, excellent, a great tool to aid understanding and my understanding in particular

[@MariusVanWoerden]

Romans 11:26 And so ALL ISRAEL will be saved, as it is written: “The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; This would then mean that every single Israelite will be saved? It is obvious not!!! Many places in Scripture use the Word All Men for Not Only Jews but also other nations or “all kind of” there is a difference in the Greek. John 12:32 And if I be lifted up from the earth, I will draw all men to Myself.” The word in the Greek for all here is πάντας (pantas) whose root is πᾶς (pas). says of πᾶς: When used without the articles, it means, "every kind or variety." When used with the article, it means "whole or the totality of persons or things referred to." Analytical Lexicon of the Greek New Testament (Friberg) Without the article… with distributive significance, denoting each individual in a class The word all in the verse has no article so it means "ALL KINDS OF MEN", so it isn't talking about every single man (universalism), it just denotes a broad spectrum. The notes of the translators in the Dutch Bible are correct [allen tot Mij Dat is, niet alleen de Joden, maar ook de heidenen, die in mij zullen geloven; Joh. 2:14,15. he drove THEM ALL out of the temple. Judas betrayal was prophesied Do you really think he could have not betrayed the Lord Acts 1:20 “For it is written in the Book of Psalms: ‘Let his dwelling place be desolate, And let no one live in it’; and, ‘Let another take his office.’ Romans 11:26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; It does not mean that all Israelites will be saved it means as a nation. In Romans 3:23 πάντες pantes IS NOT THE SAME Romans 11: 15 For if their being CAST AWAY [ Not walked away]is the reconciling of the world, what will their ACCEPTANCE be but life from the dead? 25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part HAS HAPPENED TO ISRAEL until the FULLNESS OF THE GENTILES has come in. 26 And so ALL Israel will be saved, as it is written: All here means from every tribe and not everyone. Which of course is clear from the word SAVED The Scriptures support limited atonement: Jesus died for 'many.' Matt. 26:28, "for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins." Jesus died for the sheep (not the goats, per Matt. 25:32-33); John 10:11,15 "I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep...15 even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep." Jesus in prayer interceded for the ones given Him, not those of the entire world; John 17:9, "I ask on their behalf; I do not ask on behalf of the world, but of those whom Thou hast given Me; for they are Thine;" The Church was purchased by Christ, not all people. Acts 20:28, "Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood." Eph. 5:25-27, "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for HER; 26 that He might sanctify her, having cleansed HER by the washing of water with the word, 27 that He might present to Himself the CHURCH in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she should be holy and blameless." Prophecy of Jesus' crucifixion where he would bore the sins of many (not all). Isaiah 53:12, "Therefore, I will allot Him a portion with the great, and He will divide the booty with the strong; because He poured out Himself to death, and was numbered with the transgressors; yet He Himself bore the sin of many, and interceded for the transgressors." We could say the SINS of the World but not all people. Jesus died for His own. If we have a free will than God does not have a say in who is going to be with him. And God does not have a plan.

[@KevinThompson1611]

There is a parallel when Christ comes that runs back to the Israelites not going into the promised land. Israel didn’t believe the report of Joshua and Caleb (note the initials “J.C.” And that Joshua is the Hebrew form of the name Jesus). So they spent 40 years in the wilderness before being granted entrance to the promised land. At that time, Most of Israel died off, and only a select few of the faithful survived to actually see and experience the promised land. In Jesus’ day, Israel was being offered the Kingdom. That is a literal, physical, political Kingdom. In the same way that the bulk of Israel rejected the promised land, here, A bulk of them rejected the Messiah who was offering the kingdom, and only a faithful few remnant were saved, comparatively. In order for Israel to be saved as a nation, and delivered (politically) from Rome, or in the future from the AntiChrist, the Sanhedrin will have to officially acknowledge Jesus as the messiah on behalf of the Nation, and go through the prescribed actions in Deuteronomy 21, and some other things in Leviticus. If that would have happened during the book of Acts, then Israel as a nation would have been saved, rather than just the believing remnant who believed the messiah. But this national deliverance will not actually happen until Daniel’s 70th week. Israel as a nation will be delivered (saved) from the oppression of the antiChrist. Israels place as God’s chosen people, and their established place in the promised land will be secured. There may still be some individual outliers, but when it comes to Israel either being cast off for 1878 years like they were from AD 70 to AD 1948, that’s not going to happen the next time around All of Israel will be saved (delivered), not destroyed by Rome, and not rejecting their messiah. It’s a corporate statement if there ever was one.

[@timffoster]

Whether corporate, or "all kinds" or Covenantal, the point stands: the Biblical use of the word "all" does not always mean "every man, woman and child known to humanity". Kevin - if you were familiar with Jewish idioms using universal language ("all the earth", "all peoples", "all faces", "every nation under heaven", etc) you probably wouldn't be so hasty (and obtuse) in your conclusions, and might be a little slower about pouring 21st-century meanings into 1st-century verbiage. (Extra-Biblical 1st century Jewish writing also supports this conclusion, so it's not a matter of cherry-picking a few verses at the expense of the rest of Scripture.)

[@timffoster]

Oh...and calculate the span of years from the creation of the earth till "Terah fathered Abraham, Nahor and Haran": 1948 years.

[@adrianvarela8890]

@@timffoster Hi Tim. Just reading the comment section.. Hope to hear more from you.2Cor.13.14

[@adrianvarela8890]

Hi Marius. Grace and peace. I see you are a Bible reader and also a fervent advocate of Calvinism. Forget one moment the debate or trying to show "the truth" and ask yourself what do you gain. If you want to use reasoning then use Pascal's wager. Yet if you want the revelation of the Bible speak to you then you must have thirst. Those who are satisfied with their bible knowledge cannot have the spirit of Fil. 3.78-8 but have become like the Laodiceans in Rev. 3. We must take all the Counsel of God and the 66 books to see the Lord's desire to be one with man and to make man one with Him to such an extent that regenerated humankind becomes His counterpart. This is God's Economy. God wants to dispense Himself by His Trinity into man to make Hin Christ-like and be conformed to the firstborn son of God. This is the central truth in the Bible. For this to happen man has to be reconciled to God. Read Romans 5:10 and ask yourself what is the subject of saved and what is the subject of reconcile. Then ask the Lord to shine light in you! Our New testament faith is in Christ and His work. Both His death and resurrection are presented. We believe in the crucified, resurrected and ascended Christ. Yet the cornerstone of our faith is His resurrection. His death is a fact but His resurrection is disbelieved. When we call on His name and confess it publicly we are saying that Christ is the living one. He says that in the book of Rev. Chapter 1. If you center your life on Christ and ENJOY HIM then you will be bright and joyful. When Christ makes hoem in your heart, the arguments, the criticisms and the debate will be over. With regards to Bible reading, I will make one point in order to help you (only the Hoy Spirti can do the ereal opening of the eyes,. We are just channels like Paul) if it is posible. Let me copy what you wrote: Jesus died for the sheep (not the goats, per Matt. 25:32-33); John 10:11,15 "I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep...15 even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep." Now read what the Lord says in Matthew and forget all presuppositions. Let Him speak to you! He says that after all has transcurred and the end of this era comes to an end, he will separate THE NATIONS not individuals. The nations or gentiles that where one with antichrist (even persecuted and killed believers) will be harshly dealt with and are called GOATS. The Nations that helped the believers in their sufferings and trials especially the persecution and imprisonment by antichrist and his followers are called SHEEP. Just read those verses and let them speak to you. If the light of the Word enters you, then you will start questioning your system of theology and start believing the word of God. Hope I have been a blessing to you. 2Cor.13.14

[@ronald968]

What was the comment/phrase that really woke you up about Calvinism?

[@KevinThompson1611]

The first thing was a comparison of Ephesians 1:4 with 2:12. The next was Ephesians 1:5 with Rom. 8:23.

[@loleki737]

Thank you very much! This will help when sharing with those who hold to any man made dogma.

[@DarienWhite-vm2hb]

You called Calvinism poison when they sneak it in to a church. But, isn't poison damaging no matter what circumstances it's administered.

[@jeremylakenes6859]

George Whitefield... I think he is the ring leader and MacArthur took up his torch.

[@junegerber4028]

how can you be a brother of a Presbyterian Calvinist when you say that Calvinism is not Christianity...it is another gospel so you CANNOT BE BROTHERS!

[@shredhed572]

He stated that there are those who think calvinism is true not fully understanding it. I think what he means is those who are ideologically possessed. The type who argue , hatefully on and on and on. Like trying to talk to a flat earther.

[@theologicaldarkweb2695]

When you say "you cannot be saved without Christ dying" or "You cannot be saved without the shed blood of Christ," you're making the mistake of affirming groups of words as if these groups of words are sacred doctrines to be revered as groups of undefined words. It would be useful to understand what the authors of scripture intended you to understand when referencing the blood. It's used as shorthand for "new covenant." I'm opposed to any and all notion of loyalty to undefined groups of words as sacred doctrine.

[@marceloribeirosimoes8959]

Some hypinosis you mention at the end is not just a calvinism thing. Every religious belief acts and domains just like that.

[@marceloribeirosimoes8959]

Look, I am NOT a calvinist. But, talking about some passage saying that we are saved by the death of Christ, I think that we can only see that we are forgiven but His death - and that's a way to become clean and reconciled with The Creator in eternity. What do you think about this (?): "You must know (recognize) that you were redeemed (ransomed) from the useless (fruitless) way of living inherited by tradition from [your] forefathers, not with corruptible things [such as] silver and gold, But [you were purchased] with the precious blood of Christ (the Messiah), like that of a [sacrificial] lamb without blemish or spot. " (1 Pe 1:18-19) Anyway, I think I can understand what you're trying to say - there's no "individual predestination" determined by this victory against The Law, the sin, the flesh, the demons, ha satan, the hell, and the death. That victory is freely given to all those that listen to the calling and positively respond to it. And that's the problem because Jesus states that He has some that need to be called before He sends His disciples to call them. And that's a point for calvinism delusions. And I have a question: I forgiveness of our sins since the first couple is not salvation and if we will be saved only when having our bodies glorified, and if we will glorify The Creator only AFTER that, we can not glorify The Creator before that?

[@adrianvarela8890]

Read Romans 5:10 and ask yourself what is the subject of saved and what is the subject of reconcile. Then ask the Lord to shine light in you! Then share to others. GBY. 2Cor.13.14

[@shawnwest5076]

Kevin you seemed focus on Calvinism sneaking in Southern Baptist churches,how come you didn't mention SBC history and how many Southern Baptist churches were Calvinist and you're Arminianism slipped in them years ago,was that evil?

[@KevinThompson1611]

Arminius was a Calvinist. Arminianism is a branch of Calvinism. What has motivated me to speak out about this issue is what I have witnessed in my own lifetime. Christianity is just fine without Calvinism. it doesn’t need to have any Calvinism added to it. It’s fine with just the Bible.

[@seth1223]

As a Lutheran living in the South I feel for the all Baptists in my community whom are being deceived by the suedo intellectual calvinists. Historically we Lutherans have had the longest tradition of keeping them out 😅. Confessions and loving the word of God revealed to us has saved us from their insanity.

[@jesuscross9]

I really appreciate your video tremendously. I can think back now on all the conversations I have had with Calvinists and see how I was either suckered into or enabled their false premises. One question I have is on your statement that no one goes to hell because of their sin. I mean I get what you mean that they go there because there's nowhere else to go and they are not reconciled to God. However you said that they do not have a sin problem, but rather a glorification problem. 1:03:35 Your example was Romans 3:23. You seemed to me to be making a distinction between sin and God's glory. For all have sinned AND fallen short of the glory of God. But brother isn't this distinction kind of only splitting hairs? I mean it would be like someone saying everyone at that bar last night got into a brawl, and acted indignant. Acting indignant is not a separate action from brawling. It is merely a descriptor of brawling. Likewise falling short of the glory of God seems to me to be a descriptor of sinning. Romans 6:23 tells us that the payment for sin is death. We agree, I presume, that it means spiritual death or separation from God. Since we agree that the only place to exist eternally separate from God is in hell, then the logical meaning of Romans 6:23 is that the payment for sin is hell. My understanding would be that means that hell is what we have earned, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ. It's like God mailed out a blank check to all, but it does nothing for us until we receive it by cashing it. As you said, "God does all the saving, all we have to do is respond." My point is then that it would seem only logical based on scripture that in order for us to "write our own blank check" so to speak, it would cost us eternally separate from God in hell. So it would then be biblical to say you must spend forever in hell to pay for your sin. You seemed to indicate that us who think this are stupid and "don't even understand salvation." I know that is just your way of saying we have not thought it through with a good process before answering. I believe I have carefully thought it through based on a good biblical method of interpretation. I just want you to know that I love your teaching style and you have helped me greatly with this issue of Calvinists and not only that, in dealing with people in the Oneness movement. I recently subscribed to your channel and have already saved a bunch of your videos in my watch list because I want to hear them several times. God bless you brother. -Brad

[@KevinThompson1611]

SIN and GLORY: What no Theologian Has Learned. Total Depravity and Limited Atonement Debunked kzbin.info/www/bejne/rn_FqIafibOflck

[@rosstemple7617]

They use Pos(all) as meaning all from black, yellow, red and white men. As in from every tongue and nation not all as in every individual. Then pivot to Christ only died for the church, His bride. 16:00 And the word, whosoever isn’t in the Bible.

[@lessofme53]

Teaching followers of Christ to hate Calvinist does not glorify God!

[@tracygriffin4439]

Calvinism does not glorify God.

[@cedricburkhart3738]

Why do you keep installing people? Maybe it doesn't matter but still it seems a little abrasive.

[@saltyforjesus]

Is the hyper grace movement calvinistic in nature?

[@colonalklink14]

No. The true gospel is mocked as easy believism, hyper grace, greasy grace, or sloppy agape. Easy or hard it's believing that saves you. Period!

[@tannerfrancisco8759]

Calvinism is works-based salvation. You have to prove you are saved by your works and persevere until physical death. They have no assurance because they either don't have the Holy Spirit at all or don't/can't listen to Him. Calvinism is the polar opposite of hyper-grace.

[@krakenhuevos3972]

I really like your videos, as we've been dealing with Calvinist influence from our (now former) church. I have a question, though, regarding the part where you said "Christ death didn't save any one." I was tracking with you on this for a while, and understand the difference you were teaching between His death and resurrection. However, I came across Ephesians 1:7 "In Him we have redemption through His blood." My first thought was "redemption doesn't equal salvation, it means paying the price for sins, but doesn't include glorification." But, then in verse 13-14 it says "When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the REDEMPTION of those who are God’s possession-to the praise of his glory." So, redemption in verse 14 seems to indicate it's still something we're waiting for - seemingly meaning glorification. Let me know if I'm getting something wrong. I know you prefer the KJV, so there may be some nuance that's different than the NIV, but they seemed to state the same thing.

[@timffoster]

You have touched on one of Kevin's many glaring errors in this video. The More you read the Bible, the more they will turn up. For example, Isaiah 53 plainly states that we are healed by His stripes. Hebrews 10, 1st Peter 2 and 1st Peter 3 are just a few passages that directly connect Christ's suffering to our Salvation and sanctification. Peter even uses the language of Is 53 to make his point, so it's not just our imagination. Kevin needs to follow his own advice and go back to Scripture.

[@stefanbach7652]

@@timffoster You are missing Kevin's point. Jesus' death is necessary because it is His righteous blood that cleanses us of our sins but it is through His resurrection that we pass from death to life. Read 1 Cor 15:12-22. You cannot use the Old Testament for this since God kept it secret. Even Satan knew Jesus would die on the cross but didn't know why. The why was the resurrection which only becomes clear in the New Testament. Jesus death cleanses us from sin, His resurrection lets us pass from death to life which is salvation.

[@theotherguy3083]

Please debate James White, he already have you on notice on his channel Mr. THOMPSON. I would pay just to watch you debate him.

[@KevinThompson1611]

Sure. I’ll do it.

[@sweetmullet7320]

Did you guys watch the debate with Flowers?

[@jibblecain]

1 Corinthians 1:27

[@mrnoedahl]

You know Jehovah Witnesses are wrong; not I think Jehovah witnesses are wrong. Make no mistake about it. Say what you mean. Keep up the great work my friend.

[@johnmackinnon7321]

Strongs Greek Concordance: handwriting ...#5498 Legal Document. Ordinances....#1378 Dogma Colassians 2:14 Ephesians 2:14 1'st John 2:1

[@Асяня-я1р]

How do you find a non-calvinistic church?

[@scottembry7881]

Simply ask the head pastor or if they publish their statement of faith on their website, read that. It will be very apparent.

[@Dilley_G45]

I find Wikipedia helpful. Spend a few hours on wiki and you can learn some basics. For example...a Confessional Lutheran Church is not calvinistic. As are others. And also....if a church starts to move away from the Bible...e.g. by becoming calvinistic...just leave...that's what I did twice...

[@sigalsmadar4547]

Try a Wesleyan church.

[@humbertothebeliever2443]

Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to ALL PEOPLE, because ALL sinned.....Romans 5:12 It was because of Adam that sin entered to all of humanity. Not because God predestined it. Scriptures are so clear.

[@KevinThompson1611]

I wasn’t sure where you were going with that until I expanded the comment. I was about to make the argument (facetiously) that the “all people” there is really just all kinds of people. “All” without distinction. Thus, it only applied to the elect. Only the elect were sinners, and nobody else is...lol

[@humbertothebeliever2443]

@@KevinThompson1611 ..The more we humble ourselves before Jehovah and with a sincere heart seek knowledge and understanding, the more we can see through Calvanisms error. Calvanists, like many other religious people who seek God, remind me of Paul's word to the Pharasees in Romans 10:2. "For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge." Keep on praying for them and loving them through Christ.

[@timffoster]

It's a false dichotomy. It's like saying Joseph went to Egypt because his brothers enslaved him not because God predestined it. But Joseph and Psalms say otherwise. His brothers enslaved him AND God predestined it. Jesus died because of Herod, Pilate and the Jews. AND because God predestined it (Acts 2, Acts 4) So it is with sin entering the world through Adam''s fall.... AND God predestined it. (If God really/truly/only did not want Adam to sin, He could have prevented it. Example, He could have locked Satan into a pit for a thousand years and let him nowhere near the garden. Yet God specifically allowed Satan into the garden. Why??? He Could have put the Garden of Eden in heaven where there is no sin and where Adam and all believers will eventually end up living eternally without sin. Yet He did not. Why???) False dichotomies yield false conclusions and shallow answers.

[@terrysteelman1539]

Let me share a REAL truth: If Calvinism is true nothing changes. If Calvinism is false nothing changes. PERIOD!!!!

[@edwardfriedrich411]

I m understand! But I’m a slow learner! Get wisdom! Proverbs is very powerful a wiseman is a strong man! But I can only retain so much! But your right! Be strong in the faith

[@phillipmontoya9415]

Sometimes they use scripture but they twist scripture to fit the tulip their doctrine