Romans 9 and Calvinist Deception

[@AlanaL3]

I admit I had no idea and was convinced I was under good teaching...for 17 years...poison. So heart breaking, but I’m soooooo thankful I’m OUT! Thank you Lord!

[@christian_gamer_guy6447]

Praise God!

[@elizabethl3323]

Me too sis ❤

[@haydenlbray]

God bless you and keep you.

[@amadeusasimov1364]

I saw your video, "In and Out of Calvinism". It's good to hear the stories of more people who have seen through the mistake of Calvinism and walked away from it. Thank you for sharing that!

[@Cmac0099]

Just subscribed to your channel... great testimony!!!

[@theArtofworshipbySiena]

"There is no difficulty in the text..the difficulty is in trying to reconcile your Gnostic , Hindu system into the text"...love that!.

[@robertcain3426]

The apostle Paul couldn't reconciled this apparent contradiction he speaks of in Romans 9:19-21. How can we? Paul had no answer, except tosay the potter has a right to make whatever he desires.

[@Bulldog75stp]

"Why would you have to harden and blind someone that's totally depraved? You wouldn't!" Quote of the year!!

[@kentrow7010]

@Jason Barefoot Spiritual blindness is everywhere. Think of all the various false religions in the world. And the enemy of our souls wants to keep us blinded, so we don't see the glory of light in the truth of the Lord Jesus Christ. If you were fighting a war, and you had the capebility to doubly blind your oponent, wouldn't you do it? I would. Thats why we need Jesus/God so much. We need Jesus to open our eyes.

[@Bulldog75stp]

@@kentrow7010 The verse in question was saying God was hardening hearts and blinding people not Satan. Big difference.

[@kentrow7010]

@@@Bulldog75stp Gotcha. My bad. You were talking about Gods' judicial hardening of Israel in Romans. I was thinking 2 Timothy 2:25-26. God bless.

[@Bulldog75stp]

@@dustymar4341 Romans 3 doesn't teach Total Depravity or total inability. Paul didn’t just sit down and write Romans based on whatever he wanted to say. No, in writing Romans, Paul followed a set pattern and structure which was quite common in the first century for when scholars, philosophers, and teachers wanted to refute the ideas of an opponent. A large part of this diatribe structure involved quoting the ideas and words of your opponent so that you might then turn around and refute them. This means that some of the statements in Romans which have traditionally been attributed to Paul are actually the ideas and statements from an opponent of Paul, whom Paul quotes so that he can then refute those ideas (See Campbell, The Deliverance of God). So Romans 3 is not exactly a continuation of Paul’s own argument and logic, but rather, a continuation of the argument Paul is having with an imaginary objector. In other words, Romans 3:9-20 is part of Paul’s rebuttal of an opponent, not a continuation of his own argument. In this way, Paul’s collection of quotations from the Hebrew Scriptures in Romans 3:10-18 is intended to show his objector that despite being the chosen people of God and having the Law and the Prophets, the Jewish people are just as guilty as the Gentiles. Romans context of Romans 3Up to this point, Paul’s objector was trying to argue that only the Gentiles were guilty, and that the Jewish people had a privileged status before God. Paul’s point in Romans 3:9-20 is that if the Jewish people did have a privileged position by virtue of having the “oracles of God” (Romans 3:2), then these oracles of God condemn them all as sinners, which puts them right back on equal footing with the Gentiles. In Romans 3:9-20, Paul defends this point by quoting numerous texts from the Hebrew Scriptures which condemns them all as sinners. Part1 redeeminggod.com/calvinism-romans-3_10-12/ Part2 redeeminggod.com/total-depravity-romans-3/

[@Bulldog75stp]

@@dustymar4341 Change my mind? That's odd. I thought we're all predestined for our future. Anywho, thanks for the prayers, but I'm secure in my salvation. Matthew 23:37 ~ O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Ya might what to tell Jesus it's no use crying over people that can't freely choose Him. This verse is odd using Calvinistic theology.

[@maximinotovar5798]

There used to be a couple in my church that became Calvists. They suddenly became as if possessed by demons especially when they preached their calvinism. There is definitely something wrong with this Calvinism stuff.

[@jalapeno.tabasco]

read what you just said again...

[@jimcarwest]

Never heard any message that handled the Scripture on Calvinism any better. Thank you, Kevin.

[@krissyyoung9264]

I just found your channel a few days ago when I was wanting to find out exactly what Calvinists believe. Thank you for all your work! I’m learning so much through your videos. I was so confused at the way a channel owner accused me of being “deceived by the world”, “not believing the Word of God” and even “a liar”. Those accusations simply because I asked him….Doesn’t God desire that none perish, but ALL to come to repentance, as 2 Peter 3:9 tells us? He also accused me of despising correction, when I only asked one question, to which he gave no correction. It’s all making sense now. His uncalled for, angry response and accusations told me something was way off.

[@needhelp2969]

God bless you sir I was a Calvinist for a year but this help me leave it alone. keep it up.

[@jamessahagun8888]

8:26- Romans 9;18-me or Israel? 21:25- Ephesians 1;3-4. In Christ, In Him. 23:31- Romans 9;10-11. Election to service. 24:35- Isaiah 42;1. Servant/ elect. Isaiah 45;4 25:15- Ephesians 1;3-4. Chosen in Christ to serve. 25:29- Romans 9;10-13. Elected to do what? Serve! 26:36- Romans 11;26-29. Election -is Israel. 34:22- Romans 11;33 36:27- 2 corinthians 11;3-4. Simplicity in Christ. 41:40- Romans 9;18. Who is being hardened? 44:58- Romans 9;1-7. My kinsman according to the flesh. ISRAELITES. Israel! 45:29- Romans 9;27-29. Isaiah 10;20-23. Israel. 49:25- Leviticus 26;(theme) 5 cycles of disipline. 50:24- Isaiah 6;9-10. This people, Israel. 51:24- Matthew 13;14-15. Israel. 52:19- mark 4;12 - Israel 52:20- Luke 8;10- Israel. 52:21- John 12;39-40. Israel. Blinded/hardened. 52:22- Acts 28;25-28. This people- nothing to do with the Gentiles! 54:08- Romans 9;-Israel being Hardened and blinded because of disobedience! 54:54- Matthew 13;14-15. Does not support Calvinism. 54:12- 2 corinthians, 1 Thessalonians 58:12- Acts 15 58:45- Romans 11;7-10. Israel. 59:10- Psalm 69;22-28. Israel, Israel, Israel! 1:00:34- Romans 11;25. Blindness in part happened to Israel. 1:01:14- 2 corinthians 3;14-16. The nation Israel. 1:01:49- Romans 11;20. Because of unbelief/broken off. 1:02:23- Romans 11;23-If they abide not still in unbelief. 1:03:03- 1 Thessalonians 2;14-16. Wrath come up on them (Jews) 1:03:58- Romans 9;18. Israel. 1:06:11- Acts 2;10. Jewish proselytes. 1:08:26- Romans 5;2. Faith access point into Grace. 1:08:30- romans 11;1-7. His people, Israel. 1:11:49- Romans 4;5. Worketh not but believeth. Romans 3;28. 1:13:34- romans 9;18. 1:14:00- romans 11;31-32. All in unbelief/have mercy upon all. 1:15:46- Romans 10; Whosoever shall call. 1:23:25- Acts 11;18-19. Gentiles granted repentance unto life. 1:24:28- Acts 15;1 1:24:48- Acts 15;9-11. No difference/purified by faith. 1:25:26- Acts 15;24. No circumcision. 1:27:04- Acts 13;46. We turn to the Gentiles. 1:27:11- Acts 18;6. I will go unto the Gentiles. 1:27:17- Acts 28;28. Sent unto the Gentiles.

[@misstmemrs]

Nice work !

[@jesuscross9]

Thank you so much for this teaching brother. My wife and I attended a Southern Baptist church for about 8 years before we realized the pastor was calvinist. We were both heavily vested. My wife was secretary of finance and I taught an adult Sunday school class. One Sunday the pastor preached a sermon on being called and chosen by God. I met with him in his study and pointed out Jesus parable in Matt.22 of the wedding feast. The obvious point was that the call to come went out to everyone. But the ones chosen to stay responded to the call and responded God's way by wearing the proper wedding garment. Jesus said in vs 14 that many are called but few are chosen. This completely destroyed pastors whole sermon. The following Sunday he preached on this parable claiming it was actually a special feast that only Christians with good works got to attend in heaven. He claimed Jesus meant many get called by God but only a few get chosen to attend this special feast. I told pastor that nobody has ever interpreted it this way. I said it was unorthodox and heretical. He agreed it was unorthodox but refused to recant. I realized he was just reinterpreting it to save his calvinist doctrine. My wife and I immediately resigned our positions and left the church.

[@cathicross7819]

We also just attended a church for many years before finding out our pastor is a Calvinist. It was shocking to me. I have been watching these videos trying to root out any concepts that may have been used for indoctrination. I'm sorry for what happened to you, and glad you were able to get out.

[@jesuscross9]

@@cathicross7819 thank you. Praying for you. It's really tough because your church is like family. I had to cut ties with good friends because I refused to bad mouth the pastor of the church that they still attend. I also learned that my best friend there had completely embrace the teaching. I pray for the Lord to give you great strength and and wisdom in this. Blessings.

[@marialamb6781]

WOW! Reading experiences like this tells me that these people are bound up by an evil spirit of bondage. I felt bound up this past year AUG 2021- AUG 2022 when I was in it. So I know. And I prayed and prayed and God got me out. And it also tells me that it’s not 😔 going to make no difference for us, my husband and I to speak to the wonderful group of people that we have come to realize are Calvinist. That they’re going to throw anything we say out the window. All because they want to support Calvin. That’s horrible! And very very sad. I was told in Facebook that I’m lying and I need to repent and I need to get saved…….🤣🤣🤣 i’ve known Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior since I was four years of age, 60 years ago. And I have never looked back. People are really something!

[@Drew32296]

Praise the Lord. Such a doctrine of devils it’s not even funny. The church I go to is Calvinist also and I need to leave. It’s hard though because I feel like I made family with everyone who goes there and I love seeing them and talking with them 😔

[@Britishbaptist]

As a soldier , i respect you for admitting you were a calvinist , thanks for taking the fight to release more people from its grip .

[@BrotherBrotherMusic-tj9db]

Never get tired of hearing this. Thank you brother.

[@idzeroone]

Second time listening to this video and its amazing to me how much calvinistic false definitions and teachings are still running around in my head. And I've never been a Calvinist but preachers, commentaries, dictionaries and websites perpetuate their lies and confusion.

[@OkieAllDay]

My church in Oklahoma was fractured because the senior pastor was not forthcoming in the interview process. We didn't realize he was a staunch Calvinist. It caused much pain and strife in our church. Thankfully he got hired at another church. So he doesn't have to pollute the mind's of the church I grew up at any longer. Calvinists oftentimes are not up front with where they stand - because they know most churches wouldn't hire them if they said what they really believe

[@bobbyadkins6983]

You're thankful he got hired at another church???

[@livingwater7580]

You killed it Brother, powerful exegesis of scriptures, clear and authoritative brother Kevin God bless you

[@revnenitaperez7361]

Thank you so much for all that you do to clarify things for us who has friends who left church for calvinism. You are on point always. I praise God for your very informative videos to correct the very arrogant arguments of the calvinists we know.

[@robcarter6599]

Excellent teaching on the topic. My wife and I have suffered SO MUCH at the hands of Calvinistic arrogance over the past 5 years! I want my perspective of the God of love back!!!

[@jerrylisby3440]

Amen!!!!

[@bstein9500]

So happy to hear how you tend to find Calvinistic thought in previous recordings. I find that a lot right now in my own understanding. It's so insidious, and it's such a powerful set of non biblical doctrines. I appreciate your ministry.

[@scottyfleming2203]

When Kevin says when you get the biblical perspective, it opens up the Bible like you have never seen before. And there’s no other way that I can explain how truthful that is. It feels like I’m reading a different thing that I was reading before when taught “the doctrines of grace“ the only way I can explain. It is literally scales falling off the eyes.

[@livingwater7580]

B I B L E = WORD OF GOD T U L I P = DOCTRINE OF MAN

[@3506987]

I was almost trapped in it. But. Praise. God holy spirit opened my eyes last nite. Evert time I would listen to a certain guy I would get a check in my spirit. I know now. That calvinist is wrong. Thank. God.

[@kimberleerivera3334]

The Calvinist has a man centered gospel. (Man excluding man) just like the world!

[@humanson143]

I love it when Kevin imitates a Calvinist @17:58 . Hilarious and so extra! He’s right, though. I used to fall for that argument in the past. It’s a nice smokescreen for what’s really going on. I wish more people would wake up to Calvinistic nonsense..

[@getequippedwithbrenda6686]

Thanks so much for this. The problem many Christians face today is that there are Pentecostals going crazy with the faith/prosperity message and then you have the Calvinists and somehow there is a difficulty in finding that church that is preaching the truth.

[@Mathew247]

Most of my non-Calvinist brethren and peers really don't know why Paul quotes from Malachi regarding the twins. They think they know but they don't. Their idea that Paul decided to tell us that Jesus was born from Israel and not Edom -- right smack in the middle of explaining why national Israel missed righteousness by thinking it was by the law while individual Gentiles and a remnant of individual Jews attained unto righteousness by faith-- completely misses his entire point. The truth is both obvious but obscure. Esau is Israel in type...the one who despises the birthright and gives it up. Esau was the firstborn as was Israel (ex 4 22). Jacob is Jesus in type...the one who "overcomes" and "supplants" the firstborn.....the "only begotten" to whom the seed was promised to in the first place. Paul's entire point is that Israel missed righteousness as a nation because the Messiah would change everything; the Covenant and the promise while making it all about faith instead of nationality and ethnicity. " But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, "In Isaac your seed shall be called." Rom 9:6-7 NKJV Just like Ishmael and Isaac were the "two covenants"....so were Esau and Jacob. The two nations that were in Rebekah's womb, prophetically, were Israel and the Church. "But you (the Church) are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy NATION His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light" 1Pe 2:9 "Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you (Israel) and given to a NATION (The Church) bearing the fruits of it" Mat 21:43 "But I say, did Israel not know? First Moses says: "I will provoke you to jealousy by those who are not a nation, I will move you to anger by a foolish NATION" (the Church) Rom 10:19 It seems certain forms of Dispensationalism have created blinders over the minds of believers. Jesus took the place of Israel as the light to the Gentiles, the true vine, the only begotten Son-- and only those who believe in Him are saved. That is Paul's point not just in Romans but all of his letters.

[@timothyhodges705]

Kevin, the clearest point that you make in this video and others, is that no matter how clear a scripture is stated, Calvinists will not except what it says, because scripture is not their authority.

[@kimberleerivera3334]

Thank you so very much Kevin Thompson! I am so very thankful and grateful for your hard work, your time, and especially your LOVE of the truth! GLORY TO GOD!

[@markpyle5732]

Wow!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you for all the preparation that went into this video. Right division truly puts things in their proper context. The truth of God’s word really sets us free to serve him.

[@johndavis8924]

We left a non-Calvinistic church (in the pews) due to a pastor who straight up denied he's a Calvinist despite confirming (when cornered and forced to answer direct questions) 4 of the 5 points of TULIP. He also walked all of the church leaders through systematic theology and when this was all brought up, he called it a "secondary issue". Not for us it isn't. When Calvinism is taught in classes and from the pulpit while denying being a Calvinist... it's not a secondary issue and we will not submit ourselves or our children to this teaching.

[@KingjamesAV1611]

Amen!!! My wife and i had to take this same stance in our church. Calvinist doctrine is dangerous and unbiblical. Whats sad is most people in the church aren't strong enough in the Word of God to see it. So it makes me and others that do see it, look divisive or argumentative. I will not "go along to get along" if its against the Bible and teaches another gospel! Im glad to see other believers speaking up on this issue and not letting it be swept under the rug while people are being brainwashed. God Bless you!

[@rob5462]

@@KingjamesAV1611 & John doe Well done both of you - I assume you left in a spirit of love.

[@drums2go615]

I wonder why they would hide it like that why would they be so secretive and misleading about it?

[@RezG_777]

@@drums2go615 2 Peter 2 explains... 1/But there were also false prophets among the people, as there will be false teachers among you also, who will STEALTHILY introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master having bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. 2/And many will follow after their sensuality, through whom the way of the truth will be maligned. 3/And through covetousness they will exploit you with fabricated words, for whom the judgment of long ago is not idle, and their destruction does not slumber. 15/Having forsaken the straight way, they have gone astray, having followed in the way of Balaam son of Bosor, who loved the wage of unrighteousness. Also, Colossians 2:8... Take heed lest there will be anyone taking you captive through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the principles of the world and not according to Christ.

[@CCShorts]

The context of Romans 9 is Romans 8! If you separate them you will have a partial truth and come to a wrong conclusion. Rom 9 is an explanation for why the word of God has not failed even though God’s chosen people, Israel, as a whole, are not turning to Christ and being saved. The sovereignty of God’s grace is brought in as the final ground of God’s faithfulness in spite of Israel’s failure, and therefore as the deepest foundation for the precious promises of Romans 8. For if God is not faithful to his word, we can’t count on Romans 8 either. Verse 3 shows us that Israel as a whole is accursed and cut off from Christ, "I could wish that I myself were accursed, separated from Christ for the sake of my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh." Only notice now that this is the plight of Israel: "accursed and cut off from Christ." Now that raises a huge problem! What about the word of God - the word of promise to Israel and covenant: "I will be your God, and you will be my people!" (Jer. 31:33). So Paul answers this question in verse 6: "But it is not as though the word of God has failed." You can see what was at stake. It looks as though the word of God has failed! But Paul says no. Then he gives the explanation that launches him into the doctrines of unconditional election and divine sovereignty over human willing. His explanation in verse 6b is: "For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel." Not all physical Israel is true Israel. In other words, the word of God has not failed because the promises were not made to all ethnic Israel in such a way that secured the salvation of every individual Israelite. Verse 8 says it again: "It is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants." In other words, not all the physical descendants of Abraham are the beneficiaries of the covenant promises. Who then is? And here Paul goes right to the bottom of the explanation. He says, The beneficiaries of the promise are the children of promise. But, we ask, who are these? What are the conditions they must meet to be the "children of promise"? Paul’s answer to this in verse 11, with the illustrations of Jacob and Esau, confronts us with the ultimate sovereignty of God in choosing who the beneficiaries of the promise will be. In referring to Jacob (who became the heir) and Esau (who did not) Paul says: "for though the twins were not yet born and had not done anything good or bad [there’s the unconditionality, and here’s the reason for it], so that God's purpose according to election would stand [there’s the explanation deeper than human conditions - God’s sovereign purpose], not because of works but because of Him who calls [notice: he did not contrast works with faith, but with "Him who calls" - not even faith is in view here as a condition], Rebecca was told, "The older will serve the younger." All this raises the question of God’s justice. Paul is hiding nothing here. He is putting it all out in the open. In verse 14 he says, "What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part?" Paul’s answer is no. And after quoting Moses about God’s freedom to have mercy on who he has mercy (v. 15) he repeats the absolute unconditionality of being chosen by God to be a child of promise. Verse 16: “So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy." Which leads, then, to the question in verse 19, "Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?" Those are the questions we are confronted with in this chapter. Are all Israel the "children of promise" or only some? If only some, what makes one person a child of promise and another not? If it is ultimately God’s unconditional, free, sovereign electing mercy, then is he unjust? If he is that free to have mercy on whom he wills and harden whom he wills (v. 18), and if it does not depend on man who wills or man who runs (v. 16) then, why does he still find fault? So you can see that the issue of divine election, and human will, and God’s justice, and human blame, and God’s sovereignty are all here in this chapter. But they are not here for their own sake. They are here to explain this burning question: How can God’s elect people, Israel, be accursed and cut off from Christ if the word of God is reliable? How can verse 6a be true: "But it is not as though the word of God has failed." That’s the issue in this chapter.

[@shredhed572]

Nope

[@CCShorts]

@@shredhed572 Yep

[@ancienttexts1374]

HinduCalvinism is a mental stronghold. The biggest problem is that it affects very smart people who are otherwise aces at logic. But they just throw it out the window when it comes to this topic.

[@williambunter3311]

I remember watching a you tube video of R.C. Sproul teaching a group of students on Rom. 9. I was disgusted by his dishonesty. Not once did he even refer to the O.T. passages which are directly concerned with Rom. 9. Calvinists completely ignore any scriptures that contradict their theology. They won't even try to refute them, just ignore them.

[@beautifulbuds]

This is such a blessing. I pray the Holy Spirit places this video on the blessed people who have sat in churches being slowly brainwashed and being told they wrong when they contradict the teaching.

[@kenklein9228]

Your comment regards Calvinism sticking around in your head long after renouncing that doctrine is truth. I've found that false teachings have an ongoing impact on me as well.

[@MatthewEcclesiastes]

[Proverbs 11:30 King James Version 30 The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life; and he that winneth souls is wise. I believe this verse is about brethren such as yourself Kevin! Your work edified a burnt-out believer in me! You sir are sent! When you got to the 5 x's the Isaiah 6:9-10 prophecy was being fulfilled in the New Testament, I was re-energized and ready to go home! I know God is working through you and I hope not to puff you up but sir you are the best pastor since my pastor that was sent to convict me of my sins and I was born again in the 90's all that is left to be said is God Bless you and keep you brother!

[@മലയാളി-ള2ഭ]

54:37 “He is not hardening any gentiles and saying they can’t get saved and never says of any gentiles. It’s about Jews every single time “ Thank you for your wonderful preaching brother that PHARAO was a JEW. Never thought that way. Well done. Good preaching 👏

[@laserfalcon]

Calvinists when they finally open their eyes and realized how they been deceived by the heresy of calvinism should be fired up by this video. Awesome job Kevin

[@jtslev]

Why aren't all men as smart as this guy, am I rite? I mean, Kevin is so smart, that's why he's a Christian and everyone who disagrees isn't. Everyone who doesn't have the deep passion for studying the scriptures is basically lost and deserves hell because the bible is soooooo easy to understand. God just threw the planet into existence and is now just waiting to see how it all falls together. Because anything else would be predetermining the outcome and let's not even go there. As long as you're born in the right place and had the right influence you're ok, but if you're not, oh boy, you're just outta luck, but hey, that's the price you pay for love right? In order for love to exist God needs to let things just run their course and not intervene or else He's giving favoritism to those who are affected.

[@laserfalcon]

@@jtslev What are you babbling about?

[@christianjamesguevarra6257]

@@jtslev please seek mental help

[@bankaidouglas1]

JT SHREDS please go see a doctor

[@johnwood1088]

Thanks!

[@holysmokesaj4746]

Hey man! I really enjoy your passion and I agree with your teaching thus far. This is just my first video that I have watched of yours. Keep up the good work.

[@krakenhuevos3972]

The irony of MacArthur is that I've heard him rail against the church bringing in Hinduism practices (which is an actual concern) yet his own theology brings it in too.

[@andrewbarnes1959]

Thanks Kevin. I liked the illustration about people being saved based on whether they have Reeboks or not. They insert their own discriminator which is not in the text. Also good to point out that Israel as a nation was being hardened or blinded was mentioned in the other verses like Acts and the gospel. If it really just repeating that fact not introducing anything new that makes perfect sense. Also I think you said Israel were hardenes because they rejected their Messiah.

[@SpielbergMichael]

This is such a great and important video!!! God bless you and the ministry He has given you!

[@PastorBillwillard2147]

Well Done Kevin, Thanks. I have some new brothers in our church who are wrapped up in this doctrine

[@michaelgriffiths4518]

Great presentation, it made a lot of things clear to me after many years of confusion over this section of Scripture. I have one question, how does the second half of v 23 fit, ..."which He had prepared beforehand for glory."?

[@paulthomson8798]

V.23 is about the state of affairs at the resurrection of the just on the last 1000 year long day, and the unjust at the end of the last 1000 year long and day. Those who God prepared for glory through discipleship are glorified. Those who were fitted for destruction (i.e. they fitted themselves for destruction) receive the delayed wrath of God.

[@golightly5121]

Lord, keep Pastor Thompson safe as he goes to battle against your enemies. Guard over him, send your angels to protect him, use him mightily to teach others how to fight against deception. In Jesus’s precious name, Amen.

[@Joseph221b]

Yup, mine too. Calvinism is a blood cancer in the church.

[@PastorBillwillard2147]

Great teaching pastor. Thank you for the clarity and my the Lord continue to bless the ministry He has entrusted to you.

[@bobbyadkins6983]

Calvinism is about the most evil teaching I've ever heard.

[@tonymarinelli7304]

I have warned hundreds of people to stay away from John MacArthur, some have listened, many continue and say, “yes, but he has many good things that he says.” Yeah, all false teachers mix truth and error. There’s always cheese in a mouse trap

[@tannpl]

Thank you for your teaching. I've learned so much from you.

[@delcannon5051]

Excellent presentation. Thanks, so much.

[@UniteAgainstEvil]

Loved the video brother... also, I'm super happy I bought some reeboks a couple months ago from the thrifty shop 😂

[@movieman2693-r9z]

Right on Brother! This is SOOOO awesome!

[@henrykorvus6954]

I'm a Catholic, and I have a very good friend that is a Calvinist, I told him, "Yes, before the foundation of the world, God chose those who would gain the gift of salvation, and he pre-ordained them to persevere to the end and be saved, and you might be one of them!"

[@KevinThompson1611]

You might enjoy our classic video on predestination: Predestination: It's Nothing Like You Were Told kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZu3l2hurpqNgck

[@WayneFocus]

I hope you start a podcast so I can download and listen

[@petermarx5217]

Kevin, you hit the nail squarely on the head...this brought the issue into high relief for me. God''s reputation (omnipotence) doesn't have to be protected by man maximizing out the power of God's will, or minimizing out of existence or efficacy our ability to choose (total depravity). The whole story of salvation is about God initiating and man' responding ("Whosoever... All"). Calvinists and Molinists need to stop trying to protect God. He doesn't need your protection! All He asks for is for a tiny bit of recognition on our part that we are not "all we can be, or were meant to be," and that we need a Savior. The Holy Spirit will do the rest. Of course, some people will not even give God that much voluntary assent because of pride (sin); so, no matter how much grace you pour into the juice, it never becomes wine, regardless of election, predestination, prevenient grace, etc. This is not disrepecting God or placing limitations upon His power. But if humans are not free to choose, or have the capacity to choose, then it is all a cosmic game, and games just past the time; but an eternal God does not need entertainment or inventions for Him to exist self-sufficiently in eternity. Although God cursed creation because of sin, it was created good, and there's still a lot of good left in it (go outside and look at a flower, a bee, a tree, or a bird!). The covenant between God and man was drawn up by God alone, but all in our favor (Eternal Life). However, it is still a two-party contract. Anyone who has studied contract law knows the essential elements of a contract (capacity, consent, consideration, lack of fraud or duress, legality, duration, responsibilities, duties, etc.). God has even agreed to act as guarantor for both parties to the contract, knowing full well that it could never be a contractual agreement between equals and that we were "signing" under duress and possessed limited capacity. He also foreknew that we would NOT be able to fulfill our end of the agreement without His help (Holy Spirit, Substitutionary Atonement). Yes, God is omnipotent, but God is also Love. Part of God's power is His willing to limit His own unlimited power in dealing with limited creatures. He does this by 'coming down to our level' in agreeing to be bound by His promises. This is where the God of Abraham differs from Islam's god of Allah. Allah doesn't have to keep any of the promises he makes to man, because Allah is supreme and can do whatever he wills. He can be contrary, irrational, and even unjust if he wants (rules do not apply to him because he is above the rules and creator of the rules). The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, however, is not that god. The biblical God agrees to keep His promises and binds Himself to what He has promised. Mankind can also rely on those promises, because even though God is all powerful, He voluntarily limits His power in dealing with mankind in order to create a 'fair playing field'. In others words, He becomes 'one of us' ("...and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us." --John1:14, also Philippians 2:6-8). So, if it was all God's will and none of ours, there would have been no reason to establish a Church, proclaim the Gospel, separate 'wheat' from 'tares' on Judgement Day, or anything else. Yes, God cursed Adam and Eve and creation in general, but it was not a total condemnation; and Adam and Eve still retained the "image of God" within themselves and passed it down to us, although marred and scarred by sin. God even leads people to Christ through the beauty of wonder of nature ("heaven and earth declare the glory of God") and able to save souls who have never had the opportunity to hear the gospel ("Seek and you shall find; knock and it shall be opened to you"). That's how rich and unlimited is the grace of God. What Calvinists can never admit publically it that believing in a God who condemns people to eternal damnation without ever giving them a chance at repentance and faith is so repugnant to ordinary people (and even to some theologians) that they take great pains to hide their double predestination/election/elitist/narcissistic doctrine under a pile of theological straw... And let us not forget that the Bible was NOT written for theologians, academics, the "in crowd," the academics, or just to the priestly class, but to ALL PEOPLE everywhere ("Go and preach the Good News to ALL..." Matthew 28:19), and written in such a way that ANYONE (even children or those with limited intelligence) may understand, accept, and be saved. "For God so loved the world [NOT JUST THE ELECT] that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever [EACH ONE, EVERYONE, ANYONE] believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved." (John 3:16-17) This is a direct quote from Jesus Christ Himself (not Paul, not Peter, and certainly not John Calvin). It is in all the critical texts, the eclectic texts, the majority texts, and the Textus Receptus, so you're not going to be able to snuff it out through textual criticism, higher criticism, mistranslation, or any other modern method of destroying the Bible. I just don't see how it can get any plainer than this...

[@waynegoff3776]

You are speaking nothing but the truth of God, God blessings continue to be upon you brother thank you for this teaching.The calvinist is a very hard group to talk to.

[@johncampbell463]

If we read Romans chapters 9-11 and follow Paul’s thought process and teaching concerning Gods mercy we see in 11:32 that “God has shut up all in disobedience so that he may show mercy to all.”

[@fiveSolas879]

Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, The Holy Bible: English Standard Version. (2016). (Ro 11:25-26). Wheaton, IL: Crossway Bibles.

[@taukave-he-lotufolau9442]

You continually say in this video that every time he speaks of hardening, in Ch 9 and throughout the Bible, only refers to his dealings with Israel. In chapter 9 specifically, Paul talks about the hardening of Pharoah, referring to the account in exodus. Are you saying Pharoah was an Israelite? Cause to my understanding he was an Egyptian, in other words, a Gentile.

[@evanu6579]

Taukave-he-lotu Folau Paul is explaining how God is working and using Pharaoh as an illustration. God hardened Pharaoh to make His power know throughout the world. Just like God hardened Israel to make His salvation known to the Gentiles...... Rom 11: 7 ¶ What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded 8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day. 11 ¶ I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. Paul is explaining how the promises have indeed taken effect but that not all Israel is of Israel. Israel is like one lump made into two vessels. One for honourable use and the other for dishonourable use. Being part of spiritual Israel is about faith and not works just like Jacob was chosen for the SEED without works. Spiritual Israel isn’t about lineage, just like God chose Isaac for the SEED and not Ishmael or any of Abraham’s other sons. God bless.

[@മലയാളി-ള2ഭ]

54:37 “He is not hardening any gentiles and saying they can’t get saved and never says of any gentiles. It’s about Jews every single time “ Thank you for your wonderful preaching brother that PHARAO was a JEW. Never thought that way. Well done. Good preaching 👏

[@escanor790]

Pharaoh was hardened because he hardened his own heart first. God will harden people if they willingly blind themselves first. As he did with the Jews after Matthew 12. But even so, we don't know the final fate of Pharaoh. Notice it doesn't talk about his damnation. You have to read that into the text

[@maximinotovar5798]

Awesome video. Thanks fors making things so clear

[@jtslev]

Not to say you’re wrong in your view but why is it that KJVOists and people against Calvinism are always extremely condescending? While I appreciate your difference of opinion and alternative view it makes me question whether it’s led by the Spirit. It’s like you are trying to prove how smart you are, and how dumb everyone else is, or how righteous you are and how unrighteous everyone else is. It’s as if everyone who doesn’t agree with your view is evil and purposefully trying to deceive others. I know, I know, you say that maybe it’s just because people are ignorant and maybe it’s not that they are trying to deceive but your pompous demeanor and lack of compassion seems to say otherwise. Is there a reason you claim to understand the Bible so well yet you ignore Ephesians 4, Philippians 2:3, 1 Corinthians 13:4-5 and 16:14, Colossians 3:12-14, 1 Peter 3:8, Proverbs 15:1 Proverbs 16:28 and Proverbs 29:11... Or do you have a special interpretation of those passages too?

[@slowbotdrone]

He's passionately preaching against false teacher's. Paul was harsh in some of his letters to certain churches especially when false teachers were leading his church astray. Paul said it would be better for the people telling the gentiles that they needed to be circumcised to cut off their entire member. Paul was a firebrand when it came to false teachers stop tone policing this man.

[@jtslev]

Paul wished himself be accursed in place of the jewish pharisees! Paul’s writings were bold yes but never condescending. He was direct and a man for truth, not for putting down and exalting himself. Bad example to use as a justification for Kevin Thompson’s behavior.

[@MrMarkovka11]

@@jtslev his behavior is fine. It is you that is overly sensitive.

[@chuckpodruchny6048]

Man, I’m so glad I found you and your teaching… I can’t begin to tell you all the people that I know who have been deceived by this bull stink… I’m just praying that I can learn how to defend what we believe as you do… You know something else I wonder about? I’ve got some friends that went to the mission field with IMB Full time… I went on three trips with them… and I never noticed anything they did, or said to be Calvinistic… Maybe it’s just because I was kind of blind to it until the past year or so… But then they came back to state sad for a couple of months and we spent some time fishing and just hanging out at the beach with each other, and the next thing I know him, and his wife were almost fighting mad🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️ and all they could keep repeating was… Lazarus didn’t get up and walk out of the grave on his own blah blah blah🤦‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤦‍♀️ I was like… man these guys have lost🤦‍♀️ so I asked them why they were even doing evangelism and why they were working for international mission board??? I said if God already ordained those who are going to be saved to be saved… And those who are going to perish perish… Why are you worried about it?? And just now I am out here picking beans and listening to this and I just thought of something… Why do John MacArthur John piper, Paul washer and people like that cry so much about people living such a sinful lifestyle??? And talk about people who say they think they’re saved but one day they’re going to hear depart from me🤦‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤷‍♀️ I mean really man??? have they ever thought about what they say? It’s embarrassing… I’m just a dumb redneck welder I got saved when I was a young boy… I still have people right now that tell me if I can’t remember the date and the time I’m probably not even saved.🤣😂🤣😂 I also have people tell me that if I really got saved when I was a little boy, I would not have done all the stuff I did through my high school and young adult life… Because I was wild as a buck. But at 30 years old, I started studying and reading the Scriptures… And then the legalist say it I was not really say when I was a boy, because I could not have lived like I did🤦‍♀️ and I believed them… Because guess what they are the authority🤦‍♀️🤣😂 and if you don’t do it like they do it and if you don’t live like they live… And if you don’t dress like they dress, and if you don’t talk like they talk… it’s a good chance you’re not saved😜🤪🤣😂 I don’t know the difference between Calvinism and Arminianism… But I know when I was a little boy and the preachers preaching I felt like God was going to rip my heart out of my chest, and he was telling me to believe the gospel John 16:8-9 and to the best of my ability, I did that… But at 30 years old, I had the three-piece suit and tie guy who lives a perfect sinless life. Tell me I really needed to be saved and be baptized again because I could have never lived like that, and been saved.🤦‍♀️ anyway I don’t know why I said all that, but… Thank you for your teaching man… I’m thankful for Jesus… I’m thankful for God the father… I am thankful for the son❤️ I don’t know how they do it I don’t know the correct way to tell others other than… Believe the gospel❤️ if I’m not mistaken, that’s what Jesus told us to preach? Did he not tell us to preach the gospel? That’s all I can do.❤️❤️❤️

[@thekriskokid]

The ignorance context in Calvinism is everywhere. But a tangible example is the debate on Romans 9 between James White and Leighton Flowers. White was constantly whining about Flowers going outside of Romans 9, and was always trying to limit him to the last few verses of chapter 8 and the first few verses of chapter 9.

[@johndavis8924]

Loved the video Kevin!

[@albinsiby729]

You said that elect just means "servant, to serve". But passages like these (below) are saying of election regarding to Salvation: Matthew 24:24 "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect" Romans 8:33 "Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth" 2 Peter 1:10 "Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble" Matthew 24:31 "And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other" 1 Peter 1:2 "elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace be multiplied" 2 Timothy 2:10 "Therefore I endure all things for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory." Colossians 3:12 "Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, put on tender mercies, kindness, humility, meekness, longsuffering" What about these ??? And in Romans 9, Paul anticipates a question: Romans 9:19 "You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?”

[@tivmego]

Elect is a person/people chosen for service. It is never about God choosing a person/people for salvation. The verses you quoted are all in the context of this definition.

[@tivmego]

@PlowsharesintoSwords the elect are the church is NOT what I am disputing. what I am disputing, and feel free to send over your Bible verse, is a person is an elect(i.e chosen) for salvation rather than service. The elect is a person/people chosen for service.

[@tivmego]

@PlowsharesintoSwords Please, take your time, I know you are in a hurry to send in proof text, but read what I wrote. I never told you the elect are people chosen for *salvation*. Perhaps, I might have mistyped but I doubt that. The elect is a person or group of persons chosen for *service*

[@tivmego]

@@JohnMarchione-y2p Did you notice you quoted Rom.9:8, 11? In other words, you took two separate verses and combined them, omitting 5-6, 9-10. The last time I checked, only a person with ulterior motives does that. They cherry-pick Bible verses and combine them to make an unscriptural point. If you want to understand Romans 9, Start by asking: 1.who were Paul's audience? 2. How did Romans 8 relate to 9? 3. What is Paul's goal by referring to Jacob, Esau, Pharaoh and quotations to old testaments? 3. What was His conclusion in chapter 8,9? 4. How did he tie those into chapter 10? If you cannot answer any of these questions from the context but rather pick here and there, you might be wasting sincere believers' time. We are here to point you to Christ but in a convincing, biblical way not in the contextomy you have been warped into.

[@tivmego]

@@JohnMarchione-y2p Thanks for your response. I carefully read them and you seem to state some truth but your application is still apart from how the truth applies Let us dig deep into your replies *you said:* paul audience is the church in Rome, he addresses Jews and Gentiles in this letter. *I say:* While Paul addressed Jews and Gentiles generally in the letter, Paul never was addressing Gentiles directly from Romans.2 to chapter 11(thereabout). Rather his central audience were Jews.Specifically Jews he knew by flesh. *You said:* for those whom he foreknow he also predestinate. *I say:* In a way, yes, but your understanding of Rom.8:29-30 is just another clog in why you don't understand Romans.9. The relationship is in how God is faithful to those He loves; those God formerly knew. This knowledge is NOT a revelation(the Greek words should help there)-- something a Calvinist would append "before the foundation f the world" to but rather an experiential knowledge. Paul has come to know from observation and study that God is faithful to the Israelites as well as non-Israelites in the past who loved Him. He is reaching back to God's dealing/relationship with the faithfuls of the old to assure the new faithful of God's love. To God's covenant relationship. The Jews listening would be surprised that death, perils, disease could not separate those who love God is just unbelievable given their history of how they have been captured and now their while rules are overturned by Paul's teaching To address this, Paul went on to chapter 9 by claiming that while the Israelites were blessed with revelations and oracle and laws, God was more interested and has always been interested in a remnant that comes to Him via faith and ONLY God possess the rights to how one comes to Him. This is NOT about the golden rule Calvinist slam on Rom.8:29-30. Simply understanding how to read a context both in Greek and English and how they flow helps clarify that *You said:* . 3 His goal was to show that God is control of election that why he says at the beginning not Isreal are children of God. *I say:* Election in what? Election of those who are saved or Election of how/process by which a person/people are grafted into that spiritual Israel? *You said:* 4 paul is talking about how God has moved away from Isreal and has appointed this time for Gentile. *I say:* That is true but you still have not answered HOW? Was it by selecting some before the foundation of the World and placing them in Christ OR by the gentiles accessing the promise by faith which the jews didn't do? Once, you understand how and why Paul kept on rebuking the Israelites from Chapter 2 to Chapter 10 and his warning to the grafted Gentiles in Chapter 11, you suddenly realise his treatise in Chapter 3" no one is good!". Hence, there is a new and living way to God. God has granted repented to both the jews and the gentiles through Jesus. This is not some magical wand of God electing some before the foundation snd then showing God can do it in chapter 9. Eph.1:4 had a keyword that Rom.8:29-30 doesn't have. Context is key. Context is key.

[@tannerfrancisco8759]

Sovereign is the name of the demon Calvinists worship. They invoke it far more often than Jesus Christ.

[@marcoalvarez2256]

It's a shame when people that are supposed to lead people to God actually lead them away from the LORD. Thanks for the video.

[@Mattithias]

Phenomenal teaching.

[@kevinburtnick7818]

WELL DONE KEVIN!!! You delivered! I am looking forward to my launch soon and will def endorse your work. Without a doubt you have a solid biblical worldview. Appreciate your hard work brother.

[@deborahjesic4804]

I cannot believe we are arguing about doctrine! Calvivist are pious idiots! I have followed R.C. Sproul for a few yrs, and turned away from him due to his beliefs and arrogance! We all need to focus on Christ, not Calvin, not any person, but Christ!! When religion has a title and strange doctrine I run! Thx for your servitude Pastor Thompson!

[@melbree1063]

Ok- so I hear what you’re saying… but Romans 9 is talking about Pharaoh being hardened like RIGHT before Romans 9:18… saying therefore God hardens who He will. And- pharaoh is not a Jew/part of Israel…. So, this explanation is a bit confusing? Any clarity would be helpful. I’ve never delved into Calvinism deeply before. Honestly I heard a few teachings from calvinists a few years ago and determined that something seemed off and thought nothing more of it. Now I’ve moved to a new city and am met with a LOT more calvinists than I’ve previously met… and, I think I need to understand it more fully. I disagree intuitively with the 5 pillars (TULIP) but… some Bible passages really do seem to support it, so I’m left wondering if my intuition is wrong and I’ve been misreading the Bible all this time.

[@ivylagrone8632]

I don't mean to seem rude or contentious, but I thought you had been a calvinist at one time. Is that correct?

[@michaelfaber6904]

Minor issue around minute 24. You say that Calvinists have a prepackaged meaning for "election" (and that is correct), and you say that the meaning of "election" is determined by context (also correct), but then you say that every use of the term "election" is in reference to service, which means you've done exactly what the Calvinists has done in predetermining the meaning of a term without considering context.

[@escanor790]

He may have misspoke but he also has done his homework and he has a video showing every single use of the word election in the Bible so it's also possible that he means what he says and that they all have to do with serving or being chosen for a task.

[@OGSVideos]

This has been an amazing blessing thanks and God bless

[@M.R.-for-Jesus]

Kevin - not sure why at the end of the video you refute Universalism in the way that God extends this mercy (Romans 11:31-32) to all, in your explanation that the mercy is given to all, but Universalism is not fulfilled because it still needs to be accepted. When you look at the text in v31 and v32, "have mercy" or {ἐλεέω}, transliterated [eleeō], is in the aorist tense but conjunctive mood - i.e., the mood of possibility or potentiality, the action may or may not occur depending on the circumstance. That's why the translation says "may" obtain mercy.

[@KevinThompson1611]

God having mercy ≠ salvation

[@M.R.-for-Jesus]

@@KevinThompson1611 Kevin - absolutely agree with you! Yes, atonement or salvation or the gift of justification have to be ACTIVELY RECEIVED - it's in the "active mood" in Scripture. Mercy is the same - it needs to be received. I'm not refuting what you said. I'm just saying that there is one more layer and that is Romans 11:31-32 the "may have mercy" in Greek is in the CONJUNCTIVE MOOD - which means God may have mercy but may not - but we know he has mercy on all and hence, it needs still needs to be received actively (a choice).

[@wtom04]

The "God" of Augustinianism/Calvinism is no different from the Islamic "Allah God" of fatalism: 1) The Islamic Surah Ibrahim 14:4 - "And We did not send any messenger except [speaking] in the language of his people to state clearly for them, and ALLAH SENDS ASTRAY(THEREBY) WHOM HE WILLS AND GUIDES WHOM HE WILLS. And He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise." (emphasis mine) 2) The Islamic Surah 2:6-7 states, "It is the same to them whether you warn them or do not warn them, they will not believe. ALLAH HAS SET A SEAL ON THEIR HEARTS AND ON THEIR HEARING. AND ON THEIR EYES IS A VEIL; GREAT IS THE CHASTISEMENT THEY INCUR." (emphasis mine) 3) John Calvin's Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 21, section 5 - "SOME ARE PREORDAINED TO ETERNAL LIFE, OTHERS TO ETERNAL DAMNATION, and accordingly, as each has been created for one or other of those ends, we say that he has been predestined to life or death." (emphasis mine) 4) Augustine, City of God, On the Soul and its Origin, Book 4, Chapter 16 - "That owing to one man all pass into condemnation who are born of Adam unless they are born again in Christ, even as He has appointed them to be regenerated, before they die in the body, whom He PREDESTINATED TO EVERLASTING LIFE, as the most merciful bestower of grace; while to those whom He HAS PREDESTINATED TO ETERNAL DEATH, He is also the most righteous awarder of punishment not only on account of the sins which they add in the indulgence of their own will, but also because of their original sin, even if, as in the case of infants, they add nothing thereto. Now this is my definite view on that question, so that the hidden things of God may keep their secret, without impairing my own faith." (emphasis mine)

[@JohnHanly]

Goodness, you really need to do more research...the God of Augustinianism/Calvinism is no different than Allah? Please read more about the Trinity! That would immediately separate the "calvinist" God from Allah. Please be wary of comparing similarities of Our God with Allah and concluding they're the same! Don't Muslims believe in an All Powerful God, just as Christians do? Oh no! you might say--they're the same God!! *But its the distinctions you should note--not the similarities!* It seems that Augustinias was echoing the words of Paul in Roms 9:21-24: "21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory- 24 even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?

[@wtom04]

@@JohnHanly Romans 9:21 - Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto HONOR, and another unto DISHONOR? God has made some vessels in DISHONOR because of the person's DISOBEDIENCE. The vessel, which is the person, is partially responsible because of his/her DISOBEDIENCE and lack of cooperation. The vessel has free will and the Potter makes His decision based on the OBEDIENCE of the vessel. Therefore, "Why hast thou made me thus?" is DEPENDENT upon the vessel, and is a dishonest question on the part of the vessel because of the vessel's DISOBEDIENCE and LACK OF COOPERATION. 2 Timothy 2:20-21 - 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to HONOR, and some to DISHONOR. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto HONOR, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work. In conclusion, God does NOT shape a lump of clay( a Christian) in an arbitrary or capricious manner as Calvinism falsely teaches. The Christian is partially responsible for the way God shapes him/her because the Christian has free will to obey, disobey, be defiant, and uncooperative. How salvation is attained in the New Testament has absolutely nothing to do with what is being discussed in Romans 9. Calvinists will of course use Romans 9 as a "proof text" to erroneously teach that this is "how God saves." Jeremiah 18:6-10 - 6 O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the Lord. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel. 7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it; 8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, TURN FROM THEIR EVIL, I WILL REPENT OF THE EVIL THAT I THOUGHT TO DO UNTO THEM. 9 And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it; 10 IF IT DO EVIL IN MY SIGHT, THAT IT OBEY NOT MY VOICE, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them. It is clear from the context of Jeremiah 18:8 that God would CHANGE HIS MIND about the evil that He was thinking of doing unto them, that is, SHAPE THEM into vessels of DISHONOR. God is clearly saying that if His people stop indulging in evil that He will change His mind and NOT shape them into vessels of DISHONOR. The implication of verse 7 is that God would bring ruin and disaster on a nation or kingdom if they did evil and the implication of verse 9 is that God would BUILD UP a nation or kingdom if they turned from evil and did good. Verse 10 clearly states that God will again change His mind if the people went back to doing evil and disobedience that God will bring punishment upon them by bringing disaster and calamity and shaping them into vessels of DISHONOR. God is the potter and Israel is the clay. If Israel continues in her disobedience and unfaithfulness, God will chasten and shape them into vessels of DISHONOR, but if they are obedient and faithful then God will shape them into vessels of HONOR. This same principle applies to modern day Christians.

[@wtom04]

@@JohnHanly Romans 9:22-23 - 22 What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath-prepared for destruction? 23 What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory? --- Calvinists will take Romans 9:22-23 in an attempt to "prove" and validate Calvinism's definition of "predestination/election" of the chosen "elect few" to salvation, but the rest of mankind to damnation - Calvin's "institutes of the christian religion" - Book 3, Chap. 21, Section 5. This false teaching is refuted by Romans 9:30-33 - 30 What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; 31 but the people of Israel, who pursued the law as the way of righteousness, have not attained their goal.32 Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by WORKS. They stumbled over the STUMBLING STONE.33 As it is written: “See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes people to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who BELIEVES in Him will never be put to shame.” The "objects of His wrath" prepared for destruction are those who stubbornly pursue everlasting life by "faith + works" and dying in that very state of mind without ever believing in FAITH ALONE in Christ's FINISHED WORK on the cross. "Destruction" is "faith + works" which results in the lack of everlasting life which will damn a person to the Lake of Fire. The "objects of His mercy", on the other hand, are those who have attained everlasting life by FAITH ALONE in Christ ALONE APART FROM WORKS. The "stumbling stone" in Romans 9:32 is referring to eternal life by WORKS which is destined for DESTRUCTION - All works based false gospels that teach "faith + works" = possible everlasting life at the very end. ( Calvinism/Lordship Salvation, Arminianism, Roman Catholicism, Mormonism, Jehovah's Witness doctrine, etc. ) The below following is a list of all the "objects of God's wrath prepared for destruction" which are the many denominations within mainstream Christianity that are false. They all teach "faith +works" = possible salvation by front loading and back loading the gospel with works, thereby perverting the simple gospel of John 3:16. They all deny eternal security/once saved always saved and all teach CONDITIONAL ETERNAL SECURITY that is dependent upon the person''s commitment, obedience, and perseverance in this life, which is in essence teaching works for salvation. All these false denominations teachings blatantly contradict Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 3:20, 3:28, 4:2-6, 9:32, 10:4, 11:6, Galatians 2:16, 2:21, 3:6, 5:4, Titus 3:5. Some of these denominations may teach "faith alone in Christ alone apart from works", but they don't believe it and later they front load and back load the gospel with works in a subtle way by perverting such passages as James 2:14-26. 1) Roman Catholicism 2) Calvinism/Lordship Salvation 3) Arminian/Lordship Salvation 4) Lutheranism 5) Methodism 6) Presbyterianism 7) Pentacostalism 8) Mennonite Church 9) Anglican/Episcopalianism 10) Assemblies of God 11) Seventh Day Adventism 12) Church of Christ 13) Christian Science 14) Southern Baptist Convention - ( currently taken over by Calvinism like a cancer) 15) Salvation Army 16) Eastern Orthodox Church 17) Mormonism 18) Jehovah's Witness Church 19) Charismatic Church

[@adrianvarela8890]

@@wtom04 Thanks for sharing! GBY. 2Cor.13.14

[@westoftherockies]

ROFL you're really in denial about election.

[@carljames3533]

1 Peter 1:2 “Elect, according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit vnto obedience, and sprinkling of the blood of Iesus Christ: Grace vnto you and peace be multiplied.” Therefore there is no way anyone could claim he is elect "outside of Christ" and without going through "sanctification of the Spirit".Hence being born again.

[@lindaroberts7030]

Hi Carl. You used one of the many verses that declare Gods election.A verse that not only declares our position but explains how salvation practically comes to pass. The mechanism by which God brings his election to pass. The verse says Elect, according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the spirit unto obedience. That means that God planned long ago according to his will to elect us as his own and it would be done through sanctification of the spirit unto obedience, which God ordained.,

[@shredhed572]

@@lindaroberts7030 That is incorrect. Election is unto Sanctification. Not salvation. That is the plain reading of the verse.

[@jakeRemains]

I'm sending James white a pair of Reebok 🤣

[@AD_Whitman]

You convinced me to become a Reebok-ianist 🤣🤣🤣 Great video though!!!! 🙌

[@ronweist3684]

“Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:” ‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:8-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

[@evolgenius1150]

Oh is this the new one, I watched the one with the Etsy slides and bad audio but it was amazing ❤

[@robertcain3426]

The apostle Paul couldn't reconciled this apparent contradiction he speaks of in Romans 9:19-21. How can we? Paul had no answer, except to say the potter has a right to make whatever he desires.

[@lesliebee8918]

You are so fun! I laugh and learn. Thankful for your teaching and personality!

[@KevinThompson1611]

Thanks for the feedback. It’s great to find people who appreciate a good sense of humor 🤣

[@robertcain3426]

The context of Romans 11 is salvation, which is established in verse 1. 'Election' means chose (to choose) so that its use in verse 28 is just another example of God's choosing, in this case speaking of corporate Israel. So, yes, 'the elect' doesn't always mean salvation. But in the context of Paul's arguement in Romans 11, it does. Verse 28 is an aside, inserted information concerning Israel's conversion/salvation.

[@kjvacp]

Haa HA! Brother I'm dying!! 34:21 i LOVE how you accurately portray their arrogance. That's EXACTLY what they're like!

[@andrewlineberger7544]

Kevin's sense of humor is kool

[@RedRose-fr8ze]

Awesome truth! Thank you.

[@lesliebee8918]

I really appreciate your ministry!!!

[@controlclerk]

Dude keeps talking about, "if you have a system," like his dispensationalism isn't a system. This was tough to get through. Not sure if it's cognitive dissonance or just him being bitter about Calvinism. Either way, his textual criticism is pathetic. For example- 1:04:23 he skips Rom 9:19-26 in his so-called exegesis. Why did he skip it? Likely because he's making the case it's all about Israel. Romans 9:24 clearly states Paul is referring to, "us whom He has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles"

[@KevinThompson1611]

Try and keep up. Replacing Dispensationalism kzbin.info/www/bejne/j5a9gIaJnqufl6M

[@Xhej22]

@Beyond The Fundamentals One of the most common objections my Calvinist friends repeatedly say is “ they are not all Israel who are of Israel “. Assuming that they are this “ new Israel “. Can you shed some light on this? How do you normally respond to this Kevin?

[@KevinThompson1611]

Romans 9:6 (KJV) 6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: It’s tragic that people try to make a dogmatic issue out of every phrase in the Bible. This is symptomatic of people having a doctrine in search of a proof text. They have a conclusion already in mind, and they are looking for something in the text to justify that conclusion. When they do this, it causes them to be blind to the over-arching spirit of what the writer is actually trying to convey. I believe “every word of God is pure,” but that doesn’t mean that words and phrases retain their intended meaning when divorced from the context. “They are not all Israel, which are of Israel.” A few ways to take this which are congruent with the context: 1. They are not all [the nation of] Israel which happened to be descendants of [Jacob]. 2. They are not all [God’s chosen people] Israel which are biologically descended from Jacob. (Jacob has biological descendants over the centuries that mixed with all other kinds of people and lost track of their cultural, covenantal, religious background, especially after 700 BC or so.) 3. They are not all a [Jew...inwardly (Rom. 2:29)] which happen to be part of the Jewish ‘communitas’. (This would be dynamically equivalent of us saying that not all the church members are necessarily born again.) The people being hardened/blinded in Romans 9-11 are Jews. The Jews don’t like this, of course, and it seems pretty antithetical to the concept of the Jews (Israel, really) being God’s chosen people. Remember, chosen is for service, not salvation. They are still referred to as “the election” despite being enemies of the gospel in Romans 11:28. So Israel will still serve as the thermometer of God’s interactions with nations and as the conduit of God to earth for certain actions (like providing a messiah, etc...), but some not-inward-Jews apparently rose to the top of the hierarchical establishment in Israel and needed to be weeded out, which is what Romans 9 is about - weeding out the non-inward-Jews as a consequence for their narcissism.

[@Xhej22]

Beyond The Fundamentals Thank you for the reply. I explain it to my Calvinist the same way but in low resolution words lol. Thank you for clarifying and explaining in higher resolution.

[@keng9377]

Man I appreciate your ministry big time! Please pray for my friends who are super deceived.

[@jerrylisby3440]

Why do people quote Ephesians 1:4 as if us was individuals. Us is the church. He chose the church in him before the foundation of the world. He chose the church to be holy and without blame... He adds you to his body ( the church) when you believe the gospel.

[@tivmego]

Romans 9 is the chapter you have to understand contextually if you must disarm a Calvinist. Add Join 6 to that and you can help over 80% Calvinists to see the Word of God in context.

[@jaygee2187]

tivmego its very difficult to do that because Calvinism is often combined with covenant theology. So when Paul,speaks of them not all being Israel, which are of Israel, the covenantalist will insert himself as being a child of the promise as being one of the elect. The covenantalist truly believes himself to be the true Israel, and Romans 9 is the revelation of that great mystery. So in order to convince the calvinist that the election of Israel was to fulfill Gods purposes and NOT for salvation, you basically have to convince the calvinist that they are not of the elect. Calvinist covenantalists place their faith in the fact that they are elect, and that is their hope, their faith. So to convince a calvinist otherwise is to convince them to deny their faith. It’s a very clever and deceitful trap, and it prevents Calvinists from placing their trust in Christ, yet convincing them that they have true faith. Furthermore, because they’ve had to swallow the hard pill of limited atonement and the doctrine of reprobation, they have a lot invested in Calvinism emotionally. Add to that the confessions given at least equal weight as scripture, and the coffin is nailed shut for most Calvinists.

[@tivmego]

@@jaygee2187 I get you bro and it is truly a testament to why any root of false doctrine should nipped in the bud. Sometimes I wonder what the Christian community would have been had Augustine or Calvin been taught the truth contextually. However, my approach is if a Calvinist dare claims to be exegeting the text, I get into a discussion with such provided they are willing to prove their points from the Bible. Otherwise, I feel sorry for them. These people have been rationally brainwashed from understanding a text in its' context and even when they can see the context doesn't support their views, they will deviate to irrelevant issues. The latter is when it gets personal for me but this year my approach is to just walk away when they begin playing games during a conversation.

[@valeriebaldwin3312]

I am so upset to find that an elder in our Church is a Calvinist I challenged him and he just squashed everything I did my best but now I just avoid him I brought it to the attention of of the pastor and he just shelved it. So on his head be it

[@KevinThompson1611]

Lemme know if there’s some way i can help

[@rwccampbell5997]

Pastor Kevin, you say that faith is not a work but in I Thess 1:3, Paul say: "Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labor of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ. . ." Also, in II Thess 1:11, Paul says: "Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfill all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:" Harold Camping used these verses to teach that faith is a work. Could you do a video with an exegesis of these verses sometime? I very much appreciate that hard work you are doing and it is helping me to de-Calvinize.

[@nellycalleiro1897]

Do you have this in Spanish? Thank you

[@HolisticHarmony-el2fm]

I was leading a Bible study on Romans 9, my Calvinistic friends struggled to understand what we discussed. Their biased perspective seemed to prevent them from grasping the truth.

[@KevinThompson1611]

It’s easy to cover information in a new domain or arena for the first time. It’s very difficult to cover information from a different perspective when a previous perspective on the same information has already colonized the audiences mind and has established years of thought inertia. It takes time to come out. Technically, 63 days if one were intentional about it on a daily basis and followed Caroline Leaf’s program for achieving neural plasticity to retrain how you think by default. But most people aren’t doing that, and don’t see a need to do so. So it will take repeated exposure for such folks over months and maybe years for that to click in. We tend to think the mind can be reprogrammed quickly like installing a new computer program once you have the correct data. But it’s like the mind has a different brain than the body brain. And the body brain can only learn by extensive repetition. We need to look at “theology” the same way we look at sports. It takes lots of training and conditioning to DO it right.

[@paultrosclair1775]

I just listened to two different Calvary Chapel pastors use the exact tactics you described in this video.

[@bobbyadkins6983]

Wayne Grudem says a lot of things in his systematic theology book that sounds exactly like what the devil would say. It's some of the most evil, blasphemous stuff I ever read!

[@JCBeliever7715]

Oh my gosh wow. I have been struggling with my stand pertaining to predestination and this has cleared so much of my murky understanding having listened to many great calvinistic leaning preachers like piper, macarthur, washer, baucham etc. I still love them but i now believe romans 9 doesnt promote the calvinistic meaning of predestination. However how can we explain the hardening that exodus describes that God did to pharaoh? Does that just mean for a particular purpose and not *at all times* God will and can choose to harden some *specific* people? But *all* really has a chance to be saved if only they believe??

[@cooperchoo9898]

Pharaoh's heart was already hard and God hardened it further to accomplish His purpose. If Pharaoh had any compassion at all, then he wouldn't have treated the Israelites the way he did in the first place. I heard that explanation on Pastor's Perspective. K wave radio.

[@jeremylakenes6859]

Hate to quote Mark Driscoll, but Calvanism is for pastors with daddy issues.

[@DrGeorgeAntonios]

Thank God your teaching is good enough to endure the all-too-lengthy rabbit trails... I've learned much here but I have a question. The context is indeed that Israel is being hardened. But you say it has "nothing" to do with Gentiles and that it's "never" Gentiles, yet in v.17 it's a Gentile Pharaoh being hardened, and that, right before v.18. I guess it's Paul using that and applying it to Jews. But then what of the Gentiles in v.24?

[@KevinThompson1611]

Great question. The context of my “it’s never gentiles” is with regard to Acts 2 and after. In other words, it would never be appropriate to say that God is hardening a gentile TODAY on the basis of Romans 9, which is precisely the conversational context from which Calvinists proceed into Romans 9.

[@മലയാളി-ള2ഭ]

54:37 “He is not hardening any gentiles and saying they can’t get saved and never says of any gentiles. It’s about Jews every single time “ Thank you for your wonderful preaching brother that PHARAO was a JEW. Never thought that way. Well done. Good preaching 👏

[@idahobassman3388]

What about the song by Cory Asbury, "Reckless Love", some of the lyrics seem either to be Calvinism or Mormonism. The line: "Before I took a breath, You breathed Your life in me". If a church is singing this song, are they allowing Calvinistic concepts to sneak in? What re your thoughts?

[@KevinThompson1611]

They could just mean that in a Gen. 2:7 sense rather than a spiritual sense. Not easy to tell. The Derek Web controversy brought to light the fact that some so-called Christian music groups are very Calvinistic and do have Calvinistic theology represented heavily in their lyrics. With regard to most commercial “Christian” music, I came to the conclusion years ago that it is neither Christian nor is it music. So I don’t really follow it that closely. It never surprises me when any of them suddenly is shown to be gay or atheist or heretical, etc... as far as I’m concerned, it’s a given that they already are those things (or some combination thereof) or they wouldn’t be doing what they’re doing in the first place.

[@KevinThompson1611]

Any church that’s singing commercial Christian music has a plethora of other problems that led to that point.

[@mrrsilver7back]

Can you please recommend a study Bible? I have the John MacArthur, but I want to get away from him.

[@KevinThompson1611]

Get a plain text Bible with no notes. I like the KJV from Cambridge the best. Then get the Treasury of Scripture Knowledge and look up all the cross references. The Bible is the best commentary on itself. It’s easiest if you do this electronically in Logos or Olive Tree.