How to Deal with the Submarine Attack

[@quinnmuller8233]

I know it's not necessarily in line with what you do typically on the channel; but I would love to see a video about strange and unconventional openings, ie tengen, 2:2 point, Bruce Wilcox's The Great Wall opening, the black hole point, and various fun things tried during the new fuseki era.

[@TakanashiYuuji]

Thank you Michael. Best wishes for the new year!

[@コットンバレー住人の探し物]

あけましておめでとうございます。躍動、歓喜、輝く一年を・・・・！！

[@Crono9987]

thanks Michael :) happy new year!

[@cbleslie]

New year, New Michael! :D

[@lagazettedesfrancais8155]

Thank you.

[@jjjccc728]

Love this one. I play a lot against katago. It uses that approach a lot.

[@yagzyalcntas553]

Thank you for the lesson sensei

[@utzuckz]

thanks - very useful!

[@blink12689]

So I put this sequence through KataGo, and it seems in this board position, it likes the one point jump at P11 or R11 over both the solid connection at Q13 and the loose connection at S12 for white (white plays P11, black pushes at Q13, then white plays R11). Just an interesting board position tidbit!

[@dragonfly02490]

Thank you. This is so helpful!

[@marcelocarpinetti9184]

Dear Michael, thank you for another excellent joseki analysis. Happy New Year (the commemorations in Japan also happen countrywide, or they don't care that much about it?) and all the best in 2022!

[@Kerradia]

It feel white has no good answer here, the submarine isn't a good move with this opening?

[@MelindaGreen]

Instead of the wedge, is there value in a clamp? (2:45) Probably not immediately, but at least it seems like it could be a useful threat.

[@jacksonfitzsimmons4253]

If you take the clamp immediately, it won't work and white will probably die on the side. And you can't leave it for later because all of white's other followups take away the option to clamp there. It might be possible if white had some stones on the right side but that's a very different board state

[@aidenhastings6341]

Is there a video about the 3-2 invasion (the one space jump instead of the knights move invasion)? I am curious about that one

[@MichaelRedmondsGoTV]

good idea

[@patricksalette6867]

Hello and Thank You for this video (and all the others) seeing all the benefits for one player only, I was wondering how it could be described as joseki ? how does it balance ?

[@MichaelRedmondsGoTV]

Good point. Yes, the Black stone in the middle of the right side and the overall board position allows Black to play this joseki with success. It could be even or good for White in other board positions. Joseki sequences are considered equal when viewed in isolation but that can change with a full board context. In a way this video was a sequel to the Sanrensei video kzbin.info/www/bejne/rZaliIxjppJnnLM and maybe I had a bias in that I was trying to show how Black should handle this. For White in this board position I would suggest the line shown at 5:12 or if you asked an AI the answer would be more complicated, and in my opinion not suitable for the intended level of this video.

[@Rubrickety]

In the wedge variation, is it more promising for white to insert something like the attachment at Q11 somewhere during the sequence, trying for either a better result on the side or a trade?

[@MichaelRedmondsGoTV]

Black's reply depends on the timing of course, and the bottom line is that I could not find a way for that move to work for White in this board position.

[@Rubrickety]

@@MichaelRedmondsGoTV Thank you. The wedge variation has always made me a little nervous (as either color) due to potential complications on the side.

[@hippophile]

Michael has given a very useful introduction to the main lines that you have to know before you even think of trying fancy stuff like Q11, so from a didactic point of view his video is just right I think. Having said that, I was looking at the Q11 variation too (it was one of my first thoughts). It is interesting and my (currently rather weak) katago AI thinks it is a reasonable try. But unless you are a pro with a thousand AI lines in your head this is going to be down to fighting strength - and, after all, if you play san ren sei you can expect some serious fighting quite regularly, so presumably you would be happy as black. Another idea after black S16 is N16. The variety of possible variations here is really quite rich! But these kinds of tenuki in the middle of a fight are really high level, as it is very easy to go horribly wrong if your understanding of the position is even a little off base.