How to DEFEND YOURSELF When VISITING Another State

This Lamborghini owner from Canada got pulled over while driving through California. His police encounter highlights some useful tips for YOU if you're stopped by the police while driving through another state.
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[@tyeeslayer]

Ignorance of the law is only a valid defense if you are a cop.

[@Andrewflusche]

#truth

[@dylanlucas3397]

That's awfully ironic seeing as it's their job to enforce said laws. Am I the only one that thinks cops should have to go to law school?

[@gergelyvarju6679]

​@@dylanlucas3397 Probably not, but that is a bad idea. Here in Hungary we have PhD, Masters, Bachelors degree level education options in law enforcement, and also longer trade schools. And they area also closely supervised by the prosecutors. A police officer has an immensely powerful tool with him: A radio, or even a cellphone. They can ask for advice from a lot of coworkers who had very different kind of training. But we tend to have some issues about "P" license plates. P is for "Próba" which is Test in Hungarian. They are there for testing cars when otherwise they cannot be used legally on the roads. They are available for mechanics and car dealers who might have to try cars (or allow customers to try cars) that either aren't registered, or didn't pass a required safety inspection, so cars that would be otherwise illegal to use on the roads. Some people misuse or abuse those license plates, and cops love to take them away from everyone as a result. Used car dealers hate this, as even for a minor infraction about these plates, when police take away one from a company, they have to take away all of them, and ban the company from having them for years. Huge loss for dealerships. Why we have this problem? Because even if you would require law degrees for all the cops, they would be still unable to come up with every possible legal defense you might have, and it might still lead to a wrong decision, even if they follow due process and all the good procedure. So, some dealers who often cooperate with some portals moaned and whined in the media. I have a few dealer friends. I am not a lawyer, but I still have them some friendly advice. Guess what, my advice worked so far. I said, that even if the law says clients of the dealership can use the car with P plates under certain conditions, it doesn't create an exception from the requirement of having a document on their person showing why they can use that car, why they can drive a car with the P plate belonging to dealership. And form of agreement is just as good documentation there as an employment contract. We have opened Word, and created some form to fill by the customer + an employee in a dealership. The form mentioned that the car the client wants to try isn't registered yet / doesn't have a normal license plate yet / doesn't have a valid mandatory safety inspection yet, so the driver recognizes all the risks of driving such cars. It also properly referenced the law that allowed clients to drive cars owned by the dealership with the P plate. It even had a QR code and a normal link so anyone who checked the document had the means to see why it is legal when they drive the car. It even stated that the customer had to verify a few things about the legal use of the "P" plate (that all other required documentation for using the P plate was properly made). Next time a cop stopped them when one of their client tried the car with an employee of the dealership on a passenger seat, the cop knew that his boss, the prosecution, etc. said that if the driver doesn't have any documents about using the "P" plate they have to confiscate the plate, and also knew about a few potential issues to look for was quickly stopped in his tracks. This driver has a document! That document is just as valid contract and legal document as employment contracts and other documents normally authorize the use of the P plate. Checked the link, managed to read the proper paragraph in the law, managed to verify it is really the law. The document looked legit to him and to his partner, and they were even able to radio their superiors about it. Both them and their supervisor have read the portal that complained about cops taking away P plates, and they thought that the requirement for documents on driver was either a mistake by law maker, or a poor excuse to take away P plates from dealers and increase some income, etc. But when they seen how the client had to acknowledge the risks from no safety inspection, had to check a detailed record about conditions of the vehicle, he had to verify all the documentation and the safety of the vehicle after starting it, the documents explained who is responsible for what if an accident happens, etc. they seen that this kind of document can be very important, and why the law would want some document on the driver. After all, if you employ lawyers to make some agreements for testing the cars with P plates, etc. you want to cover your asses, you want to make a good document that can help you even in the worst cases and that can be useful in many ways. And they have seen why their "poor excuse to take away the P plates" exists. The police aren't your lawyer, often they aren't your friend either. They don't have to be able to give you legal advice, understand plenty of things... They have to follow commands to enforce laws. But they need training about deescalating conflicts. They need training that makes their procedures safe. They need training to know how to investigate the validity of new information. They should be training in how to counteract their own tunnel vision in investigation and change their mind when needed. They need plenty of other skills that have NOTHING to do with a law degree. A law degree can give them confirmation bias, and they could assume that their interpretation of law is correct and backed up with a lot of experience. When they know they aren't law professors, they aren't lawyers, but they are good at following new information and changing their minds if new evidence demands that, and how their operation can be safe... THAT is important.

[@dylanlucas3397]

@@gergelyvarju6679 Everything that you said is important for the police to know and be trained in is correct, these are all important things. However, I fail to see the relevance of the P plate issue to whether police should receive legal training. The issue of P plates sounds like it's a result of poor legislation, not poor policing. I'm not claiming that if police had law degrees all policing problems would vanish; I'm only saying that because the police are tasked with enforcing the law, they should be knowledgeable about the law. This would better enable them to do their jobs and while it wouldn't solve every problem, it would solve or at least improve some.

[@gergelyvarju6679]

​@@dylanlucas3397 I think it is good law.... But if you want to put all the factors considered, all the explanation into the law itself, it would become so detailed that no one would understand it. Requiring legal training from all police officers would mean: A.) Good police officers who know what rules they enforce, but don't know much more about other parts of the law would be locked out of the profession. So their talents and kills about interrogation, interpreting forensic evidence, deescalating tactics, psychology, etc. would be lost to the Police. B.) You still need a lot of law enforcement officers. People with law degrees who would be any good as lawyers, who passed the bar exams, etc would demand competitive wages. As the police force can't pay that much, they would either have to hire disbarred, dishonest ex-lawyers, or there would be a huge lack of police officers and lawlessness. C.) Even if it would help in some rare cases, it would create confirmation bias in other cases, and would lead to WORSE policing in other (more) cases. The point with "P" plates is simple: Even several lawyers who specialize in one kind of clients can be wrong about how they interpret the law and how they can interpret very complex facts of the case. Sometimes even people with law degrees, who specialize in one kind of clients can fail at noticing some solution, because lawyers who were good at interpreting facts, who were good at finding good solution work for different clients, on different kind of cases, making far more money. Hiring bad paralegals as police officers would be bad. The Police officer in this video had facts far worse than his lack of legal training. I would compare him to a food delivery guy I have encountered. He haven't spoke the local language, and had a few problems. Probably a foreign student. I wouldn't want him to learn Hungarian as it is difficult. But I would want him to be bright enough to use a translator app on his phone to be able to understand some instructions, and be ready to call his dispatcher for help if that isn't enough. The cop in this video had YEARS to Google up important statutes, he had his smartphone, he had his radio, he had years and probably decades to ask the DA, or a judge, or even some "legal advice" page, youtuber about the laws he has to use every day. He was just too reckless to do it, and just accepted all kind of illegal outcomes of his attitude, so he didn't care to ask. When a cop has the time to think about the law, consider how some rarely used law might have been updates, has time to analyze, he also has the time to talk on the radio, call for help from people with more legal knowledge... He also has time to google it up. This cop probably didn't know how to use his existing tools (phone, Google, Radio, etc) to do his job. Why do you think that he would be any better at using his far out of date limited knowledge of law, when he already forgot most of the stuff as he focused on other things?

[@HariSeldon913]

I didn't actually get pulled over, but a friend of mine used to live in a small Nebraska town. I drove out to see him and did fine with the highways, but at the very edge of his town I picked up a police tail that followed me all the way to my friend's house. He even sat there at the end of the driveway until my friend came out and waved at him. A myth that out of state plates are targeted? Never going to sell me that it's a myth.

[@Skank_and_Gutterboy]

Yep. I think they hand out more tickets to out-of-staters because they're pretty sure you're not going to drive 500 miles just to go to traffic court, you'll probably just pay it. If I'm pulled over out of state, I'll make a point of slipping into the conversation, "I come through here all the time."

[@NickSteffen]

@@Skank_and_Gutterboy I don’t think most officers care that much about revenue. I think it’s more that you won’t be able to call your city councilman or representative and complain that officers are wasting peoples time with tickets for going 3mph over. Legislators from both parties would love to be able to show they are stopping cops from investigating nuisances. Conservatives consider it government overreach and liberals use it as an example of police departments wasting money not keeping people safe. If a police chief gets a complaint from a legislator about you, you are definitely going under the bus.

[@Skank_and_Gutterboy]

@@NickSteffen That's where you're wrong, there are tons of local governments that are very big on ticket revenue. There's a reason why they call it "revenue" and not a "fee". It gets briefed on high and the cops get their ass chewed for not handing out enough tickets.

[@NickSteffen]

@@Skank_and_Gutterboy right, I’m sure it happens but I’m also sure what I described happens more as it’s silent and doesn’t even require illegal pressure from higher ups.

[@keithmarlowe5569]

@@Skank_and_Gutterboy Virginia, where Andrew Flusche practices, has a clever money racket regarding reckless driving. The law is 20 over posted speed limit, or 80. Interstates outside of cities are 70, so you cruise along around 10 over like everyone does, and BAM! Reckless driving. Reckless driving is different class than normal ticket, with mandatory court appearance. Within a week you will receive at least 3 solicitation letters from lawyers in the county you were stopped. And I'm pretty certain they are especially vigilant for out of state. Ask me how I know.

[@jamesodell3064]

About three years ago a young Canadian women was arrested in Georgia because of police officer did not believe her Canadian drivers license was valid in the US. This is even more surprising when you consider how many Canadians drive through Georgia on their way to Florida.

[@der_pinguin44]

Just saw two Quebecois driving 80 MPH down I-95 here in south Brevard county, Florida.

[@K2mtp]

Being from Michigan we would drive into Canada on our Michigan driver's license. So it is very difficult to believe an officer didn't know a Canadian license isn't valid to drive all over the country.

[@glee21012]

That's correct and it was another dumb female cop. The governor even got involved and apologized to Canadians. God forbid people come to you state and spend money. SMFH.

[@MasterNcognito]

Sounds like someone had a quota to meet. You know, the thing cops swear they don’t have?

[@glee21012]

@@MasterNcognito they call them goals not quotas.

[@pwnagraphic690]

I feel like "I am a tourist" is all the explantion needed. Saying you're on vacation is that equivalence.

[@seraphina985]

To be fair you can be a tourist in another part of your home jurisdiction as it is certainly possible to take a vacation within your home state/country, so specifically clarifying you reside in another jurisdiction would certainly be relevant.

[@johnnybwrlr983]

It is absolutely true. I recall 2 such incidents in my lifetime. #1 - in 1979, I'm 19 years old, attending, what was at that time called Tri State University, in Angola Indiana. I lived in Indiana many years but had just moved to Illinois, but I was attending school in this Northeastern Indiana school. I was traveling under the speed limit, near the campus, yet pulled over for speeding. I was let go with a verbal warning. I asked why I was actually pulled over and the officer directly stated, "well I noticed you had out of state plates". When I questioned him further, he state, "if you weren't a student and didn't live in town, you'd have gotten a ticket because we know you wouldn't come back to fight it". #2 - I drove from Illinois to Ohio for my son's competition. We stayed at a motel and drove to the train station to get to downtown Cleveland. One day, while at a stop sign, then slowly accelerating to 10 mph, the car in front of me was barely traveling approximately 15 mph. The police officer pulled me over for going 43 in a 30 mph area. I stated to the officer it was clearly impossible for me to be going that fast because I would have hit the car still visible during the stop. His first comment was, "well I noticed your from out of state. Why are you in our town"? Then he told me he knew because I was from Illinois is never make the court date. Not to worry, being out of state it didn't give me points and I could pay online. He stated he mainly stops out of towner people and he does this often. The ticket for 13mph over ended up being over $250 in 2016 and it did carry points. The main takeaways here is, cops lie and cops do target people with out of state license plates!

[@gergelyvarju6679]

About speeding and out of country: If you would visit my hometown, the beautiful city of Budapest, Hungary, you would at first see what many tourism videos praise about our city, but if you would use a rental car, you would see how speeding is handled differently here. We have plenty of automated speed cameras, and their accuracy is accredited. If you can't prove an issue with their measurements, the owner of the car has to pay for the speeding fines unless the driver is identified. But even if he paid the fines, he would be able to recover that in a lawsuit. There are plenty of traffic infractions where the fines are automatic and are paid this way, based on simple video evidence. Similar systems work in most parts of Europe, and car rental firms will make sure people who rented the car will pay the fines. So I know that a friend of mine was found speeding in France. It was mild speeding, it would be no fine here in Hungary, but in France it was a fine. They just mailed the company he rented the van from, and told either him or the person who rented the vehicle or the driver should pay like 30 EUR if paid quickly, and 60 if they are slow to pay, etc. So the tickets American people getting from speeding in Europe might come AFTER you return to Europe, with proof and automatic fines attached. And usually you would have to pay the fines.

[@UBvtuber]

Those cops sound WAY too honest about this, must be the qualified immunity making them stupid enough to directly say they're profiling people.

[@TheFalconJetDriver]

I had a situation occur in Texas, I was an airline pilot based in Texas I lived in Va Beach, VA I also had an apartment in Texas when I flew out my Texas base. I had a car in Texas registered to the apartment address in Texas but maintained a Virginia Drivers License as it was home of record in Va Beach. One night returning to the apartment police were conducting licenses checks. I was issued a citation for not having a Texas drivers license. I explained the car remained in Texas all the time. I lived in VA. I went to court and the judge dismissed the case. And gave the police officer a stern talking to. You can not be in possession of two drivers License’s and this is what the police officer was trying to force me to do. 🤣🛫

[@dusparr]

Technically speaking, there is no Federal or all-encompassing law that says you can't have two licenses (for example, until 2018 florida allowed you to have a second license for Florida only, though they will not be renewing them anymore) it is on the onus of each state to pass laws governing this, and as of 2019, all states have. If your particular instance was previous to 2019, it would have been possible if one of the states was Florida. If it was 2010 or earlier, Texas would have been included as well as a smattering of other states. Before 2000, almost half the states would have had no such law.

[@MollyGrue1]

what a waste of time and taxes hiring dumb troopers

[@waroftheworlds2008]

@@dusparr uhh... Pretty sure other states can't tell eachother how to issue licenses. As long as you have the property, you could have 50 driver's licenses.

[@dusparr]

@@waroftheworlds2008 correct: They can rescind their own license under whatever terms they want. Like having more than 1 license.

[@waroftheworlds2008]

@@dusparr can you find the law for your state and cite it. Please 🥺.

[@EnriqueReyesJrREALTOR]

I like to travel from state to state, & have been pulled over while driving a Clean Silver Mercedes Benz Sport model with California plates, in area's where you would mostly see Ford F250's type vehicles. The pull over usually starts with the officer stating that he pulled me over because "I look suspicious", and one tail light looked brighter than the other, I was going one mile over the speed limit, I looked lost... I have never received a ticket, but in most cases I am given a written warning that was documented into their system. The time when I was told I was going one mile over the speed limit, the written warning read that I was going seven miles over the speed limit, & as the officer (Arkansas State Police), handed me the written warning said, "you may not want to speed, because you will get a ticket". Now I am blackballed, I haven't had a ticket in over 18 years. It's not fun being pulled over, questioned, bullied, interrogated, but I always show all my Organized Documents, & keep my composure. I realize that offercers put their lives in harm's way, but should also maybe change some of their tactics to not escalate a problem. In my profession I deal with people every day, with very personal, emotional issues, that by using certain attitudes, words, or behaviors, things can go sideways for everyone at a moment.

[@TheRealDrJoey]

One of the problems is that law enforcement careers seem to attract misanthropic cretins.

[@rickpickle]

I've had cops several times lie to my face and tell me my brand new registration paperwork is expired.

[@docstockandbarrel]

Fishing to see if you know about the vehicle. Don’t hate the player, hate the game. 😂

[@RicardoRoams]

Cops do lie to you and the courts allow it.

[@Rockyop9216]

He did say he was a tourist when the officer returned. Also great advice that no one should dare bruise the ego of a officer. They will only retaliate because you hurt their feelings.

[@neilkurzman4907]

One should learn that in life that if you expect good service you shouldn’t insult the person. Tell me how do you treat people that insult you while you’re trying to do your job? Do you offer them better service?

[@squigglyline2813]

@@neilkurzman4907 yea, the difference is when someone insults me while I'm trying to do my job I politely & respectfully ask for professionalism. A cop, on the other hand, will bark orders, flex his nuts, hide behind his badge, overcharge people, and violate their rights. There's a big difference between poor service and the overreach that a lot of butt-hurt police use.

[@neilkurzman4907]

@@squigglyline2813 I assume like a lot of other people some cops are like that. Most that I have dealt with were not. Simply wish to complete the transaction in the quickest way possible. I’ve only dealt with one that was rude, and it was because he didn’t believe that we weren’t involved in the altercation that we called him for. Some people become cops just because they want to be the authority. Others because it’s a job, and others because they actually believe in helping people. You can paint everyone with the same brush.

[@dmo848]

Flat out truth

[@docstockandbarrel]

A lot of aggressive/violent interactions begin with people being jackasses to the popo for doing their job. It would put anyone on the defensive if they know this is how shootouts begin.

[@toxichole]

I just realized you're a practicing attorney where I live. If I ever get into legal trouble, im hiring you

[@wholeNwon]

That's the idea.

[@Rundvelt]

I remember that I was in the states from Canada and we were staying at a rental property. We were snagged at one of those small town grocery store to highway junctions where if you speed up before the sign, they'll nail you. The police officer came up and I immediately apologized and said we were staying at the property and were shopping for our party of 22. He let us off with a warning and I definitely think it was a "don't hassle the people pumping money into the town" sort of thing.

[@TheRealDrJoey]

I got pulled over in a rental car with CA plates in Van Horn TX, for 5 over. The cop had me follow him to the police station, or post office or something (I can't remember now, this was about 30 years ago). After I paid the fine I informed the cop that I wasn't that upset about the fine, because looking around Van Horn TX it looked like they needed the money a lot more than I did. Then I went to the gas station in town and told the owner that I was planning on filling up my Pontiac Grand Prix (and I was) at his station and buying lunch somewhere in town, but because of this cop's speedtrap (I made sure to tell him the name of the cop) my attitude now was F**K Van Horn. I suggested he let the town council know about what this cop was doing to people driving through their poor, pathetic little town.

[@stkittsmanuk1]

I agree. This guy routinely travels these routes and knows he sometimes will be stopped. Yet he never seems to have all his documents together and ready. Maybe that is 'not good TV'

[@jedstanaland2897]

That statement about a police officer not stopping people who are out of state is both true and false. It's mostly because of how the cop is feeling. Also the next problem is that the cops asking about where he is from or going and any number of other things are none of the cops business.

[@geedubb2005]

Tell the cop it’s none of his business and see how that goes. It’s just best to be polite and answer with a general answer like, just out for a drive.. you might beat him in court but they can inconvenience you.

[@toodamnmanyprojects7094]

@@geedubb2005 "On advice of my attorney, I respectfully decline to answer questions."

[@JSB103]

_"It's mostly because of how the cop is feeling._ That's right, but there's more: Cops also have to meet cuotas. They HAVE TO stop travelers, dish out penalty fees and detain people.

[@1dgram]

It's certainly not the case everywhere, but there are certainly parts of the country where they pull over out of staters for the flimsiest of reasons, like 5 mph under the limit, 1 mph over the limit, while you didn't touch the line you weren't perfectly in the middle of the lane, or simply that you seemed suspicious.

[@monroefuches2707]

In British Columbia, where I believe the driver is from, the registration is your certificate of insurance. It says right across the top of the paper, Certificate of Insurance and Vehicle Licence. The bottom of that same page is the Vehicle Registration, plainly labeled.

[@xenaguy01]

3:50 Same in Cali. *California Vehicle Code 12502* _"(a) The following persons may operate a motor vehicle in this state without obtaining a driver’s license under this code:"_ _"(1) A nonresident over the age of 18 years having in his or her immediate possession a valid driver’s license issued by a foreign jurisdiction of which he or she is a resident, except as provided in Section 12505."_ 12505 is for newly moved to Cali residents, does not apply.

[@StArFuRyZz]

As a Californian I know that if I drive to Oregon or Nevada I do not speed because they're looking for CA plates and love to give tickets. The biggest problem is that Oregon has such nice roads and they beg to be driven fast on.

[@toodamnmanyprojects7094]

What state of Oregon are you driving in? Portland has the worst freeways west of New Jersey. The roads are poorly banked and in disrepair. They have the slowest speed limit in the country. They will impound your car if you don't have proof of insurance. Washington has the best roads on the west coast. Even better than California, as those roads are falling apart like mad.

[@HolzMichel]

ugh.. the peoples republic of oregon.. they hate themselves just as much as they hate californicators.. it doesn't matter if you have idaho tags, montana tags, nevada...it's all california to them half wits

[@nathanaeld.striker7191]

​@@toodamnmanyprojects7094 There is far more to Oregon than Portland.

[@SchemingGoldberg]

@@nathanaeld.striker7191 Geographically, yes... politically, no. Portland controls the entire state.

[@sexygeek8996]

Many Americans don't seem to know that Canada exists or that Canadian and American licenses are valid in both countries. When they see a Canadian license, their only reaction is "that is not a state". I heard about (American) cops telling people from New Mexico and West Virginia that their states don't exist either.

[@Nobody1975JM]

I was pulled over while travelling west on I-40 through OK between Tulsa and OKC at a "turnpike" (aka toll booth) with OR plates. I was told the make and model of my vehicle was often used for drug trafficking, after I ignorantly consented to a search of my car (which I only did because I didn't want their canine scratching up my car). Long story short, their dog scratched my car up on all sides, nothing illegal was discovered, and I got a painful education in learning my rights since that day.

[@JH-qy7zw]

My Oklahoma story is very similar to yours, that is also when I started looking much more into my rights... because they were stepping all over them. They even commanded the dog to bark, to say they got a “hit” on my vehicle, for me to consent to the search of my vehicle. Wish I had it on camera, I was appalled. I find cops have become as sleazy as car salesman in their tactics.

[@saxmusicmail]

I keep all of my car documents in a similar bright red plastic envelope. No fumbling. Before retirement I often drove company cars. We did not have traditional insurance, but were self insured. We had a paper from the state stating such and had all details needed to insure we were, in fact self insured. I think we even had a bond with the state to cover this.

[@Skank_and_Gutterboy]

Me too, I bought a small binder/folder (about half the size of a full-size notebook) that has all my stuff. No bumbling or fumbling.

[@danjf1]

Getting pulled over with out of state plates is definitely true, esp down south. I can't seem to get through North/South Carolina without a traffic stop for no reason! oh well, never a ticket so just a few minutes of downtime on my I-95 journey :-)

[@rs232killer]

I-95 is apparently a major drug route. It is common for police to find some excuse to stop vehicle to look for additional signs of smuggling.

[@JKiler1]

A traffic stop for no reason is a Constitutional violation. They truly gave no reason for the stop(s)? I have never been pulled over in the South, even with out of state plates on a rental car.

[@JohnDoe-gy5dr]

@@JKiler1 In my experience, cops never really give a reason for a stop. I don't know why people cite the constitution so much because its not like it matters, they just do what they want. its not like it prevents them or the courts from receiving money.

[@rs232killer]

@@JKiler1 Not saying any of this is right. If a cop decides they want to stop you for some reason, most of the time they can just follow you at a distance and they will find something... Following too close, crossed a solid line for a split second or just weaving within a lane, forgot to use turn signal, window tint, object hanging from mirror (depending on state), phone in your hand, etc... But generally they will have a reason, though it may be trivial. They do not want to lose in court based on a technicality, so there will be a reason for the stop.

[@jimhanty8149]

If no tickets ,then that tells me that unless the cops want to just ride around picking on you and wasting their time for no reason , you are presenting the wrong profile in life .. your image / car/ hair/ tag/ GF/ clothing or something ,says you are something or doing something that your not… you may not even realize it but you are projecting something that fits a profile.. get a friend or some one to critique you.. ask them…they may tell you something you don’t know.. like you look really creepy, or you look like a bum or deadbeat.. “you always look stoned ,man”…you a good guy ,you just look awful… who knows ,,, ask….

[@WolfMimirMori]

Makes me glad to hear from you that there are actually times when giving information simply helps a situation. No, you don't always have to answer questions or bring certain information up, but it can help to make the whole situation end far faster.

[@wholeNwon]

It depends.

[@phlushphish793]

I usually answer their simple questions just to keep the tone light. One officer asked me where I was headed. None of his business, really, but I told him, "My office is on the other side of the fwy." I was wearing my work badge.

[@obijuan-]

Thank you sir, excellent advice. Appreciate your lessons.

[@victotyorvalhalla]

Thank you for the information!

[@ssnydess6787]

I love Andrew versus "Officer Andy". You really dumb it down in a very enjoyable manner for us non-legal guys and gals that want to help the police do their job, but not put ourselves in jail, Thank you!

[@war32mec]

Im very glad my state doesnt do vehicle inspections. Its just more money for the state. I meant

[@crawfordsmith3700]

I have watched about five of your fine presentations. This is the best one yet.

[@thomasrobertson8109]

Thank you for your Channel update God bless you

[@evantspurrell]

sometimes you can clear up infractions by getting your paperwork together and going down to the local courthouse and figuring it out. depending on the municipality sometimes there are forms to fill out sometimes you can get things signed off sometimes you can sit in court until the docket clears and politely explain the misunderstanding to the judge serving at the time. the clerks are really the worst to deal with in my experience, the judges are usually very understanding.

[@westswell2757]

In most Canadian provinces, your car registration renewal includes insurance on that car. I would advise those authorities to include insurance language on the car registration documents.

[@squarepeg418]

That’s some shit my dad would say, “don’t think. That’s when people get in trouble.” Jeez.

[@tomrumler3577]

I lived in Va. for some time , and was informed that the Va. licence allows me to drive an 'expedite ' truck , so , took a job in Michigan , driving small loads between states from one company to another... got stopped in Mich . , confused the officer at first , but he ran my info ,.. and let me carry on with my job. - all info was together. - Drove in many states , from Penn. , and Mich , and Indy [ hated Indy ] and as far south as Georgia . Only that one stop .

[@RicardoRoams]

I'm a 70 year old guy with shoulder length hair and ear piercings. I plan on traveling around the country in my Jeep this spring and summer. I have personalized California license plates. I also have my back windows limo tint (legal in California) to help hide my camping gear from prying eyes. I can only imagine the stories I'll be able to tell after I come home.

[@DeputyNordburg]

They will be out to get you if you are speeding excessively and driving like a jack @ss. That's just how they are.

[@RicardoRoams]

@@DeputyNordburg, Well, I've been driving since 1969. I've driven over most of North America in vehicles from motorcycles, to jeeps, trucks, etc. I've driven in all kinds of weather. And in all that time I've never received one ticket! I'm cognizant of obeying all traffic laws. I've been pretty much housebound for most of the last 2 years since COVID. But much has changed in this country in recent years. Incredible polarization and downright hatred of Californians in other parts of the country. So it will be interesting to see if I will be pulled over during my road trip and what the attitude will be from LEO's. Before I depart, I'm going to consult an attorney in order to be sure of what my rights are and how I should behave if I'm stopped by the police.

[@DeputyNordburg]

@@RicardoRoams Well if you make KZbin videos for a living, you should behave like a jack @ss in the hope of making content. It worked for the gentleman in the Lambo, though apearanly he had to do it 6 times. I have not been pulled over in 29 years. And I've never received a ticket. But I'm not a member of any victim group like... Californians. One day maybe.

[@RicardoRoams]

@@DeputyNordburg , I'm not quite sure what your point is regarding your most recent post. But for the record, I do not make KZbin videos. And the hatred toward Californians is sadly real. Just check Facebook, KZbin and other social media. They're full of vitriol toward California and the people who live here.

[@DeputyNordburg]

@@RicardoRoams I'm from Texas and everybody loves us. Not that we care.

[@andrewl.8626]

I never get stopped in Colorado, but whenever I go out of state I always get pulled over. It is 100% because I have out of state plates, and because CO has legal weed the surrounding states stop CO plates whenever they can.

[@Nobody1975JM]

From OR currently, but have been around the U.S. block a time or two. Our prohibition laws are absolutely engineered to incriminate everything that U.S. had not taxed to death.

[@justjanexxx]

Best attorney channel on KZbin, by far

[@greenriverblackfoot1012]

Thanks for what you do sir, really

[@Magneticlaw]

Dude's driving a red sports car through California - even if he's consistently maintaining the speed limit and not showing off, he's going to be a target for officers. Good video.

[@Baci302]

Thank you for your service, Andrew.

[@Ckom-Tunes]

I got an International Driver’s License from my local AMA a few years ago (for free.) It’s simply a little book (with very bold lettering on the front) that lists all the countries/states/provinces that have reciprocal agreements for non-resident drivers. I’ve given it to cops in many different jurisdictions and it blows their minds! I’ve actually gotten out of tickets by including it with my regular documents. It’s a lifesaver in these situations!

[@Nobody1975JM]

I don't know how things work up in Canada, but it sounds like you converted your driver's license into an international driving permit (IDP). Is that accurate? The legal jargon our justice system has adopted down here in the states is convoluted enough to make a mountain out of a mole over such insignificant differences in terminology as license and permit.

[@Ckom-Tunes]

@@Nobody1975JM I received the permit as an addendum to my drivers license.

[@Nobody1975JM]

@@Ckom-Tunes I sincerely apologize for asking what might be a silly question, but did you exchange your license for a permit? I understand the addendum part, but it also appears to alter the terminology (hence legal) aspect. Was your license converted to an IDP at your request?

[@Ckom-Tunes]

@@Nobody1975JM No, I have both to this day-almost twenty years. I have actually used both. When I’m driving in my own jurisdiction I, obviously, use/provide the government issued driver’s license. When I drive outside of my jurisdiction I provide both my license and the international permit. Neither has ever been questioned. Over the years I’ve been nicked for speeding in foreign jurisdictions (several times.) I’ve never been cited anywhere-except for the U.S. (they take the revenue gathering aspect of speeding VERY seriously in some states!) In cases outside the U.S. the police actually seem to appreciate the multilingual nature of the permit and the fact that I went to the trouble of obtaining it. It’s something I never travel without.

[@AllenPendleton]

Why would anyone want to go through California?

[@BubuH-cq6km]

"Going Through" CHOMO pay attention to the key words

[@LeviathantheMighty]

@@BubuH-cq6km Chomo? And "going through" somehow makes you correct?

[@geedubb2005]

I had to drive to Bakersfield CA to visit my son several times. Luckily, as I type, he and family drove out of that state yesterday, moving to Texas. I always sweated it out because I travel with a loaded firearm. Thankfully, I doubt I’ll ever step foot in that anti-American communist state again.

[@RicardoRoams]

Allen Pendleton, How 'bout 9 National Parks, miles of beautiful beaches, Disneyland, San Diego Zoo, Universal Studios, numerous state parks, great weather, 5 Major League Baseball teams more than any other state, and prestigious colleges and Universities? Those are just a few reasons, off the top of my head, as to why someone might want to go to California.

[@Honey_Daddy]

It's beautiful. I get it, you're not that lucky.

[@bryanduke1973]

In California and driving thru Utah is your getting a ticket have cruise control set to speed limit your still getting pulled over.

[@vincentshelpfulhints4085]

When you purchase a car and get it licensed you know what that paper looks like and when you get insurance you receive paperwork or it is text to your phone. I watched his video a few months back he was kinda being a jerk to the cop and the cop acted as one as well. The police officer told him if he seen him driving the car later that day he would arrest him and the cop was wrong.. Until the treaty with Canada is revoked they are allowed to drive anywhere in America as long as they have a up to date license in their country. And we are allowed to drive in their country as well.

[@KingProgdor]

Cops have an obligation to be immune to assholes, though. By standard, they're expected to have thicker skins and not rise to the (understandable) aggravation that some people have. Otherwise, you start criminalizing behavior that a cop's ego can't handle.

[@kathryngeeslin9509]

@@KingProgdor Cops don't have to deal with any more unpleasantness than anyone in customer service. While telephone workers have the benefits of separate locations, workers face-to-face with customers face the same potential problems (attitudes, violence). Yet employees outside law enforcement are expected to do their jobs correctly and pleasantly, not rise to bait or provocation, not "get emotional", all without a weapon at hand. If so many people can deal with nasty violent members of the public on a daily basis, with a smile, often for minimum wage, cops can put their fragile egos in a hard shell (or find a job where they don't have to work with the public).

[@dusparr]

There is an outdated 1948 treaty for IDP's (which was not ratified in later editions and technically has fallen out of use) but no Canada-US treaty for drivers licenses. That is handled (as pointed out about halfway through) through State Exceptions in the United States.

[@TeachAllNations]

Why would it be necessary to tell a police officer that you are from out of state or a tourist when he has already seen, and possibly run, your out of state license plate?

[@thedubs4388]

Might not be your car? Rental?

[@Andrewflusche]

In this case, the car is registered to a corporation. And the point of saying you're a tourist is to tell the officer right up front that you're a NON-resident of his state, so a license exception applies to you.

[@glee21012]

I agree, the first thing the cop sees is the icense, HE ALREADY KNOWS it is Canadian. I'm not a genius cop or anything, but that kind of answer a lot of quesions. SMFH.

[@Andrewflusche]

@@glee21012 Nope. You could have moved to California and simply not updated your driver's license yet. Happens all the time, and after a statutory period of time, that's a crime. That's what the officer is investigating.

[@glee21012]

@@Andrewflusche Prove I just didn't get here. Prove I have been here more than 60 days, (30 days in my state) government. Case dismissed. Come on man, that's easy. The burden is on the state, and unless they have been surveilling you for weeks, they can't prove shit. So keep your mouth shut, when the cops ask questions and lawyer up.

[@BrandonStonerAEP]

Your videos are amazing. Great content, no matter the residence. Where do state laws like window tinting come in to play? Like in PA you can black out everything, but in CA you can't have the front windows tinted at all. If I were to drive my PA registered car to CA blacked out, is that probable cause?

[@Andrewflusche]

Great topic for the future. It's already on my list. :)

[@four20producerz77]

brandon good question. and this had happened to me..a few years back i had a Colorado license with a car registered there as well,, with legal factory tint, not dark at all and i was traveling thru the state of Utah . driving home from a visit to family in california.. stopping in Wendover nv. to grab a bite and refuel.. i stopped and put some money in a slot machine and hit a small jackpot. a few thousand. so i asked for the cash instead of a check and continued on my travel home. mistake 1.. as i travelled along i-80 the uhp had some type of interdiction program that day. there was about 8 cars in the divide of interstate. as i passed 2 cars proceeded to followed not speeding i did not think much of it, but they stayed behind and pulled me over. the officer stated that my window tint was illegal.? he asked for my info and to come to his car while he did his thing. mistake 2 .i should have stayed in my car as i walked up i saw that his car had limo tint ,as my car had just 55 percent and called him on it and asked if that was a secondary offense? he said it was not.?? in the report and used it was a excuse to see if i was trafficking. cuz it went from the tint to pretextual stop, asking you got any guns, bombs anything illegal?? saying i was coming from a state that has legal cannabis to a state that has the same. and he was out looking for major busts and not just lil amounts . and asked can we look.in my car. i said no , if its legal where im going, why do i need to travel with anything? thinking that should be a logical response, mistake 3.. kept up with the questions. and the asking.. A second car had a k9 and they did the walk around and dog hits. so i admit to have smoked earlier that day. like 12 hr ago like at 7am .i had a medical card valid in my state.... mistake 4. that was enough to arrest me for dwi. then gave them the legal right. to search the hell out of my car and they tossed that shit . and then tow it. they found nothing in my car .they found only 3 grams of bud on my person along with all that cash i won. which they tried to keep. i had video of me winning .. spending 7k for a local attorney. bail and tow cost...plus my freedom sucked.\ tho they had dropped the dwi cuz they put on report i said i smoked at 7, so they put 7 pm claiming i smoked a half hour before being pulled over there mistake but a honest the DA says, right ? bs, but dumb ass me talked, thinking they just wanted major runners. they want everybody. period.. they could just get me on the small amount that i had,, a misdemeanor that got dropped after a year out of trouble . but now since im bit more educated if this type of police encounter happens to me again? just start to film with phone and say i dont answer question,,, if you have anything or not. nothing you say helps you...

[@PsRohrbaugh]

90% chance that car KZbinr made the stop go poorly to generate good content. Nobody's watching a traffic stop that goes smoothly.

[@Andrewflusche]

I never thought of that. You're even more skeptical than me! :D

[@petitemaam]

My state, the registration sticker is on the windshield. All we need is license and insurance. I've forgotten to put proof of insurance in my car and had it up on my phone before he got to my window. The officer just looked it up through my license plate and ID information in his car.

[@sergiosergio12345678]

How about international drivers license ? I had one 35 years ago and they were valid for a year the only legal issue back then was that it was imposible to legally buy insurance. I am not sure if they still exist.

[@mrj-charles6383]

I am from North Carolina and the insurance is on the registration. I had an officer try to tell me I was driving with an expired registration when I just renewed it and I had no insurance even though it’s clearly marked on there.

[@mikemckinlay7270]

ive been pulled over several times and gotten tickets for equipment violations, cell phone use, and seat belt and open containers. and ive never paid any of those fine nor did fix the violations they said i had. and they cant do anything about it.

[@magnificent10304]

Thanks for the info, but what about equipment tickes? In ocean city MD where the tuner market has heavy car meets I've heard stories of police towing cars away for equipment violations. Like too low, loud exhaust, tints or whatever they can find. California has ridiculous equipment fines. Lets say I get pulled over for tint in a state like New York but I live in Jersey which also has tint laws, could I fligh that ticket? Also what if I was from a state that doesn't have tint restrictions an can be as dark as I want, could i fight the ticket?

[@kevinstonerock3158]

As a non resident driver he’s seen a lot of misinformation from cops. I think he’s actually illustrating the over reach by cops and is simply showing how far some are willing to go to be difficult. There’s classic examples of them making unfounded accusations in order to escalate a traffic stop.

[@donwaltman4276]

While working in Ohio with Michigan plates the foreman told us not to go one mile an hour over the limit on a certain section of the highway. Also if we got a ticket, just pay it. It was good advice as we found out.

[@JeremyEllwood]

Was working in CA (I'm from MI). Had a parking meter officer try to ticket me for not having a front plate. Fortunately, I met her as the ticketing was happening. I said, "What's the ticket for?" HER: "You don't have a front license plate." ME: "It's not required in MI." HER: "You're in CA." ME: "Yeah. I live in MI." HER: "You're in CA." ME: "For work. I commuted here. I. Live. In. MI. I am a MI resident. I am not required to have a front license plate." Will shorten this story to the end point... her supervisor told her to put her ticket book away and learn the rules as he walked off.

[@waynemgtregear7228]

In my area we have a local post office worker who's car was registered in Queensland while driven on New South Wales roads for 40 years because her husband was a cop in NSW .

[@jonsingle1614]

Another question....dealing with something DDE has to deal with....if the car is legal ...as far as mufflers and noise where it is registered....can calif render it illegal to use ( as it operate....not as in register there ) because it does not meet said standards ?

[@tiffanytame2757]

Okay to start with in British Columbia your car registration and your insurance is all on one sheet of paper it's issued by the Insurance corporation of British Columbia your car is insured registered on one piece you don't carry separate papers

[@toodamnmanyprojects7094]

@Account NumberEight You called that right!

[@Milesco]

@ Craig : Don't be afraid to use a little punctuation once in a while. 🙂

[@User-cc6cq]

Thanks!

[@suzannetitkemeyernlq]

Just realized you're in my former backyard. I used to live nearby. If I ever get pulled over when visiting Virginia you'll be the call I make.

[@zephyrmj]

What type of insurance is required in the USA? In Australia, the only insurance required by law is included in the vehicle registration but only covers injuries (and is a no-fault scheme). Police in Australia generally only ask for a driver licence.

[@solaralloyd6157]

I work seasonally in another state and am usually there 4-6 months every year, which means I reside in one state for 6 months and then the other for 6 months. These states are approximately 2500 miles apart. When it comes time to renew my license I renew it in the state I'm currently in because one state does not have online renewal and the other state does not have a reliable website and has not only got my information wrong several times, causing me to have to reapply, but also causing me to not have a drivers license for months at a time. I often have to explain to officers that I reside in both states.

[@brentfarvors192]

That's a recipe for a future problem. Just remain silent, and whatever is on the licence is where you live...

[@Kuronosa]

A ton of the controversy come from the "stop thinking," line...like...he's saying that the masses should remain stupid and ignorant of their rights.

[@Milesco]

It was just a flippant, smartass thing to say. And yes, "unprofessional".

[@neilkurzman4907]

If you’re going to think, then make sure you’re thinking correctly. He gave him a piece of paper told him it was one thing and it wasn’t. It has nothing to do with the masses.

[@suedenim9208]

I'd have had a very hard time saying something along the lines of "not thinking may work or you, but I'm not a cop so thinking is important".

[@davidgriego549]

Also they make devices or apparatuses that can be placed on the driver side sun visor that you can keep your license and registration in, that's what my mother used in her car

[@robertbachofen990]

Please do a video on how to respond to a police officer at a fender bender i.e. in a parking lot. Do the same rules of not talking apply?

[@toadhall5041]

If I drive to Va from my home state do I need that inspection receipt you mentioned? My state requires a sticker on the windscreen.

[@mathewrose2951]

If someone resides outside of the Commonwealth for 330 days out of the year, but still retains a vehicle registered in VA and owns a home there, can that person present a foreign driver's license if pulled over in the event that the foreign license is his only current, valid license?

[@hansalmqvist5478]

As a foreigner your videos are very educational. Me an my wife are boaters and have cruised the US east coast in our Swedish registered vessel and have had the boat at a marina in Virginia. The marina has got a car which can be used by visiting cruisers to get around the village. I have a Swedish drivers license and I am of course not a residence of Virginia. If I would have been pulled over by the police how would I then prove this ? Is a passport with a B1/B2 visa good enough ?

[@ChrisKewl]

Where do I get your document holder? I like it!

[@augusto83605]

In Canada in the registration and insurance document is combined.

[@21mozzie]

This got me wondering. What do I do in the US for registration and insurance papers if I am pulled over in a rental car?

[@Milesco]

Show the cop the rental contract.

[@EpicATrain]

Are there any states in which a person is NOT allowed to drive in a state using a license from an outside state (with NO exceptions)?

[@bburney06]

What about inaurance? I live in a state that doesnt require insurance. I happen to have it but have always wondered what happens if you dont and are driving theough a state where it is reuqired? Or what about if you live in a state thst doesn't require car registeation?

[@oldchief314]

Question amigo. How do you get a license in a state where you have no legal address? In my state you have to prove you have a permanent address, in my state. to get a driver's license. This is also true in the five states that surround us. I also believe there is a treaty with Canada and Mexico that allows drivers to use the license from their home country. I have been stopped in Canada and Mexico and they accepted my valid state license without question.

[@edwardgersabeck7733]

Massachusetts doesn't require drivers to carry proof of insurance. So what should you say to a cop if stopped in another state?

[@travisdonotsuscribegototjs9323]

i believe there is a federal law that allows for an interstate compact that allows for reciprocating recognition of out of state drivers license and tags and that any traffic ticket issued out of state follows you back home and goes on your home driver's license eventually, but the interstate compact thing allows I belive for non residents to use their driver's licences in another state as long as the drivers licence is valid along with tags and insurance you still have to follow that states rules of the road but in most cases they are same don't run a red light or stop sign, for the speed limit, proper lane change, no DUI.

[@DarrenOverby]

This reminds me about the Ontario grad student that was arrested in Georgia for not having a valid US license. I would appreciate Andrew's take on this interaction: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y3a0pKmFoaiHopo Also, I'd also appreciate to learn from Andrew what to do if you are ticketed while passing through another state in route to another. Do you have to travel back (potentially) thousands of miles to appear in court? The travel expenses, lost work time, etc could be far more costly than the ticket. Can you hire an attorney in that state to appear on your behalf?

[@TheRealSlowhand]

I can tell you my experience of this situation... I got a ticket out of state and was able to hire a local attorney to handle the court appearance... It was far less expensive than dealing with everything you list in personal loss... I imagine this may not be possible for some violations and/or in some states... By the way I was on active duty at the time with PCS orders moving myself and my family more than 1000 miles to \my new duty station and did not want to have to ask for the time off so soon after checking into my new command to handle a ticket in another state...

[@DarrenOverby]

@@TheRealSlowhand ​ Reminds me of a similar experience when I was younger. While in the Navy I was transferred from Norfolk to San Diego and driving across country. I was stopped for speeding in Oklahoma (clocked by radar). I politely asked the officer if I could view the target speed on his radar unit (which at the time they had to keep active on the display). He invited me to his car to look at the radar equipment display and asked what I do in the Navy (my driver's license said USS Germantown for the address). I told him I was an electronics technician to which he replied, "So you probably know all about this radar stuff". I replied solemnly, "Yes, sir. And, I know it's very accurate." (BTW, certainly the sort of talking that Andrew would NOT ADVISE.) Well in my case, he laughed so hard at that comment he decided to give this kid a warning. Phew! I assume being super respectful of his authority and being on active duty may have also helped.

[@TheRealSlowhand]

​@@DarrenOverby Thank you for sharing your story... I too believe that respect and politeness can go a long way... As many a wise lawyers will tell you the only place to argue with the police is by way of the courtroom...

[@Milesco]

@@DarrenOverby I certainly agree with being polite and respectful -- it can only help you -- but being respectful doesn't require also destroying any legal defense you might have (like disputing the accuracy of the radar device).

[@jointedlimb]

that US cop was a moron... Canadian DLs are perfectly valid in the US.

[@HolzMichel]

so what does a person do if there has been a mandatory stop and cite order put out for their license and tags? police deny that such a thing exists, but i know this is a thing as i kept getting pulled over and hassled by the cops and received many citations for the craziest little things. even several years later on a visit to my home state i got pulled over. when the license i presented (it was a foreign license) didn't match up to the license the 5-0 had on record for me, they let me go without a citation. it's an annoying situation to say the least.

[@mgtowdadYouTubeSucksCoxks]

3:30 my brain was literally trying to navigate, the fact that I'm not obligated to help in their investigation, and the fact that you are telling me to help in their investigation. And then you had that segue, excellent timing.

[@intoxicatedphilosophy969]

Can you cover vehicle code and traveling out of state? Meaning, your car can legally be driven in your home state in its present condition, but a state you are traveling in doesn't have the same regulations (tint, ride height, camber, etc) and could be considered illegal or unsafe.

[@rs232killer]

It is a good question. I have seen several vehicles being driven on the street here, which could not be legally licensed for street use in this state, but have Montana license plates and apparently that is fine. One guy I spoke to set up a corporation in Montana as the owner of a couple of his vehicles that he mostly drives here.

[@Andrewflusche]

Great idea for a future video!

[@alb12345672]

Easy question. If you come in my house, you obey my rules. Some states don't have inspection stickers, cops are trained to do roadside MV inspections (tires, body condition, etc). If you have a loud exhaust, the plate would not matter. Another question is if an inspection sticker is expired from another state, could they write a ticket for that.

[@intoxicatedphilosophy969]

@@alb12345672 Its seems a little tougher than that to me. These are not private roadways, they are public. Like how a governor's rules of his/her private home are not imposed on people in a public building such as the capitol building. Not sure is that example exactly tracks. It seems like an unreasonable burden to bring your car up to code for every state you may travel through. Which means looking up, and fully understanding, multiple state regulations. And that's why I'd love a lawyers perspective! Even if I'm 100% wrong.

[@alb12345672]

@@intoxicatedphilosophy969 It would be interesting to hear a lawyer perspective. There are also Federal Motor Vehicle safety guidelines. One example I believe is tire depth must be 2/32". But states certainly make their own rules. A car can theoretically pass NY inspection with no sheetmetal on the doors, but in PA it would be an instant fail. If I drive my NY stickered car into PA, should I be exempt from tickets?

[@baseballjoe06]

What if you are like me and you are living in another state for work? But not planning to stay after job is complete even if it is over 60 days or whatever the threshold is.

[@mdgiebel]

What about dual residency? Retaining residence in more than one state?

[@sanjaybhatikar]

Thank you

[@hoodninja1611]

What about not really needing a license to travel freely if you're not conducting commerce ie:Uber, Lyft, taxi, ect

[@alienlifeform152]

I would like to have a few of those documents holders. It would be very helpful

[@gmc9753]

Here's a question. If your insurance company provides an app that shows your evidence of coverage, is it enough to show the screen to police or will they ask you to hand them the phone and then take it with them back to their patrol car?

[@JohnDoe-gy5dr]

I know at least in some States, showing a cop your insurance information is pointless anyway because when they run your plate it will access that States record of whether or not the vehicle is insured. Insurance companies are required to update the State as often as every two weeks of the insurance status so if that check fails no papers you show the cop is going to make a difference. They just do it find another reason to ticket you or harass you if you're a minority.

[@thenatural1759]

Ok, so now pleeeeeease make a video to answer this question. When a cop pulls you over for something like having tinted windows, not having a front license plate, or having a modified exhaust when it is all legal in the state where the car is registered. In particular CHP likes to cite people like this. What are your thoughts?

[@adventuremanintheclouds8968]

Don't go to California, they don't deserve your contribution to their economy.

[@adventuremanintheclouds8968]

@Nehemiah Scudder If you don't believe in their ethics, then yes, don't go there and spend money. Also, why go straight to stereotypical Kentucky? There are plenty of level headed states. No need to jump to extremes to counter my point that California is a nightmare of a state where EVERYTHING is illegal or regulated. If you like being told what you can or can't do with every aspect of your life, then by all means, go to California.

[@adventuremanintheclouds8968]

@Nehemiah Scudder maybe you need to re-read what I said? I said Kentucky is an extreme and bad example...... You are impossible to reason with. One extreme to another. Bringing up a single city with an isolated incident to put a blanket over an entire subset of level headed states with low regulation.

[@RicardoRoams]

I used to live in Arizona. Now I live in California. I've driven back and forth in vehicles with California plates on my car and one Arizona plate on my car depending on where I was living at the time. I've never been stopped by any California LEO when I had my one Arizona plate. And I have friends and family often visit from Arizona. I've never heard of anyone being stopped in California for only having the one Arizona plate.

[@ATAdude666]

so uh.... how do i get one of those sleeves ya got there, as a virginia resident i could need it one day right?

[@trevormillar1576]

I don't get it, is it actually illegal to drove a car registered in one state across the state line into anothet state? Do I need a diffetent licence plate for every state I drivr through?

[@robin123robin1]

What if you're from my country where we only carry our license and registration? Is a yearly policy document from the insurance compny acceptable?

[@robertsteinbach7325]

If you are driving in the US it is useful to have a document proving that you have car and driving insurance. In the US police, at most, will look for who is insured, what company is the insurance company, does the policy meet state minimums, and to see if the policy is still in effect and not expired.

[@paulbrungardt9823]

I was doing 85 MPH in Utah in a 65 MPH zone -- Pulled over, I convinced trooper I was a Mormon Bishop from California. I got off. ( I am not even Mormon).

[@deantodd8103]

Accusing a police officer of being unprofessional is like telling your wife that she's overreacting. Neither approach works as intended. 😂

[@thefarbookkeeper]

The waiting time for an appointment at the DMV is more like 6 months, so I doubt anyone is getting it in 60 days thanks to the backlog caused by the pandemic.

[@Pb_Slinger]

I moved from Texas to Massachusetts a couple months ago. Talk about hostile territory… I still don’t understand the gun “laws” here.

[@billanderson1075]

Perhaps you are not familiar with the speed traps on I10 in Arizona, I40 in Arkansas, or I94 in Chicago... They specifically target out of state driver.

[@bellaspatiogarden3493]

Here in my province in Canada the vehicle registration and insurance IS the same document issued by the provincial government insurance company. Our registration is proof of insurance. We have to buy the insurance when we register our vehicle; it's part of the fees. We don't have separate insurance papers unless we take out extra insurance from a second insurance company. Although we can also buy extra insurance with the provincial registration, but I don't believe they issue a separate document they simply add it to our current policy. Are we required to have secondary insurance to drive as a tourist in the United States?

[@DeputyNordburg]

It depends if your current insurance covers you in the USA.

[@bellaspatiogarden3493]

@@DeputyNordburg thank you - so if I go to drive the USA I should check that. But - would I have a paperwork problem seeing that registration and insurance is the same document? And if so would a ticket be the only penalty?

[@DeputyNordburg]

@@bellaspatiogarden3493 Does the document say it is registration and insurance? If it says that in English, I can't see why it would be a problem. I would make sure you can point to the parts of the document that explain that. And that it says your insurance is valid in the United States. My car insurance does not cover me outside the USA, and it says this on my insurance card.

[@Mercurio-Morat-Goes-Bughunting]

In some countries (e.g. Australia) your registration and insurance are bundled together under the same tax invoice. This may be a more general thing throughout the British Commonwealth and what it means is that your insurer happens to be anything the applicable road traffic authority has contracted at the applicable time and is really, not your problem until you have to sue the insurer for a payout. It's not like regular insurance. You have to sue or you'll get short-changed if you get anything at all. That said, I agree that it would help greatly for British Commonwealth drivers to get a printout for contact details of the state-contracted insurer before crossing the border. Also, having to present papers to Police is quite foreign, here. Decades ago, it used to be a sticker in the windscreen. Now, the camera+app, on the Police car, automatically reads and runs the license plate against registration/insurance currency and flags any expired registration in addition to automatically pulling up the details when you're pulled over. All the Police officer needs is your license. Don't hand the officer your wallet because this is interpreted as attempted bribery. Eventually, facial recognition will supersede a physical drivers license token and people will have less junk to carry around with them.

[@Nobody1975JM]

You said it, license and insurance are both forms of taxation. American citizen of over 46 years living (and dying) in America here.

[@kirkmorrison6131]

In Virginia twice I have had my SC questioned. I lived in Virginia and S.C. was slow informing Virginia they had traded my license. I was coming up to get stuff we had left in storage.

[@kevinwells-mcdonnell1233]

I wonder if Officer Torres was confused: is not the two-letter country code for Canada, "CA"? Which is the same as the state postal code for California. That would explain why he claimed to have checked, and said that no license was issued in California to that name.

[@michaelinners5421]

Which is even more confusing when you consider that Ontario, CA is not in Canada.

[@joesammy4343]

When can a protected right be forcefully converted to a privalege? Like the right of locomotion...

[@TheWaterman1000]

In most jurisdictions you can submit a statement without appearing in court. State briefly what the interaction with the officer's reason for pulling you over. Make sure to include all supporting evidence and why you are not guilty.

[@Andrewflusche]

Doesn't work in Virginia.

[@wholeNwon]

Really? Not in my state. How are those attestations under oath?

[@dandelionfever]

I rented a motorcycle in Peru, South America once while on vacation. I was on my way back and the police pulled me over and wanted to know my story. They did not speak any English and my Spanish was not great (of course). So we went in circles for a while and they kept going over the legal documents the rental place gave me and then finally let me go…