How To Design A Solid Rocket Motor - Simplex Ep 1

[@amessman]

As is traditional in computer networking, simplex means single way communication, duplex means dual way communication. Naturally, your Duplex V1 engine must have thrust coming out of both sides.

[@maxmyzer9172]

This also extends to radio and other communications systems

[@felixhelix6171]

Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.

[@simontanguay3619]

Following the same logic, Triplex V1 will also have a perfectly natural, as-designed hole in liner and case to ensure side-thrust as well

[@dmitry4c996]

lol

[@dfgaJK]

Surly thrust coming out of both sides would just be dual-channel simplex.

[@shuttleshifter]

I for one would actually love an entire episode dedicated to the safety aspect of this! Not a "tutorial", but just some insights into the considerations you had to make.

[@mr.galunga775]

Yes!

[@ThatGuy-cl8gc]

Yes indeed

[@squalosus223]

"Comfort gets you hurt", words to live by. Not just applicable to rocketry, but to any usage of dangerous materials or equipment.

[@derMor97]

Hey Joe, I would recommend placing the pressure transducers at 135° and 90° apart. This helps in preventing pressure oscillations being invisible due to symmetric sensor placement. Would be really interesting to see if there are some modes other than the L1-mode visible in the pressure data.

[@NainKaigo]

I have built smaller scale I class motors out of PVC and there are so many things that can go wrong. Safety cannot be overstated. Even at the smaller scale, a motor exploding is exceptionally violent. Richard Nakka is a great resource for learning about designing motors on a much smaller scale.

[@robertsmith2956]

I have had one estes motor blow up, and one fire in reverse out the top. Both were total losses of the rocket.

[@vicroc4]

​@@robertsmith2956Yep, Estes-style black powder motors are notorious for their tendency to CATO.

[@AstroCharlie]

I'm super excited to see this series Joe! It was super fun to work on this with you!

[@phobos1931]

My day is always better when BPS posts. Keep up this amazing work! Can’t wait to see what’s next

[@ahmedalshalchi]

Same with me ...

[@thehuggz-i9k]

5:15 - Joe bringing us all right to the peak of the Dunning Kreuger curve and dropping us off

[@TheThomSirveaux]

I used to work for a company that was making, let's say a very, VERY fast rocket motor for a very specific application, and one of the guys I worked with used some very expensive, very complicated software to simulate the rocket grain geometry. The company even had him fly out to the software developer to get in-depth training on how best to use it. I still remember, and I'm very jealous of that experience he had, because simulating rocket grain geometries sounds freaking fun as hell.

[@Oldman5261]

Don’t know if you are an aerospace engineer but if not you should be because you have all the qualities to become one. I was one for 40 years specializing in strength engineering. Your video really takes me back to the good old days of solving complex engineering problems. I wish you the best of luck. Take care.

[@KillerDragon534]

don't forget about friction between the motor wall and the nozzle retainer! In college I grenaded a motor because I only considered the fasteners. in reality the friction was carrying an immense amount of shear. factor this into your nozzle ejection calcs and measure preload on install!

[@daan6224]

Absolutely incredible! You're such a scientific inspiration!

[@CDRaff]

Perfect timing. My daughter is doing science fair and we are building a rocket. This will be perfect for us to watch together.

[@AAerospace]

The complexity of your projects is exponential!!! Can't wait for the “I LANDED A ROCKET ON THE MOON!” video .🚀🤣🚀🤣🚀 Great video once again btw.

[@tadpole0690]

I'm proud of you guys. From wanting a job, to crying, to this confidence you have. You got this.

[@97vwjett]

One of the best KZbin channels. Period.

[@sonicsupersam7793]

joe i need episode two right now my adhd can’t handle the wait

[@mduckernz]

Nice. I too have built up to O class, using a couple different classes of APCP - some standard R45-HTLO, some with a pre polymer polyurethane, and some with platinum catalysed silicone. The silicone burns REALLY fast btw, it’s great for end burning geometry when combined with organoiron burn rate catalysts. Wonderful to see some rocket motor development here on YT, when I started this stuff was way less than mainstream and it’s great to see more getting into it!

[@santosvella]

Every time someone says "I wouldn't advise doing this" I am always more interested, of course. I have had this mentality from time to time and can appreciate the single mindedness one needs to follow these things to their logical conclusion, in spite of the steep learning curve, time needed or difficulty in achieving the goal. We live in interesting times.

[@joakimlindblom8256]

Wow -- this is at a whole other level! In my youth, my best friend an I built rocket motors inspired by Estes designs, starting with cast potassium nitrate/sugar grains and then going to ammonium perchlorate/aluminum/rubber based grains. But we our designs were mostly seat of the pants ball-parking, and a result most either didn't build up enough thrust for stable flight or exploded due to overpressure in the combustion chamber, with only a few successful flights. I really admire the level of sophisticated science, engineering and dedication you're putting into this!

[@polkobra5455]

This video is on a totally different level of quality. Your work is absolutely breath-taking and I am so excited to see more! Best of luck!

[@nithikasandinu9034]

Finally 😃. last week i destroyed the egg pan trying to make solid rocket propellent . It was fun actually😅. Appreciate your work by the way. Its good to see you on a exiting project

[@johnqpublic2718]

"O-rings that climb on rocks..." what now? I'm stoked for this series! I've been on this platform since 2006 and have been looking for something like this content the entire time. I loved watching Codyslab's rocket motor series but he didn't take it all the way to space.

[@benedictsth]

To me it's just magic how one could possible calculate that kind of stuff. But I'm happy those people exist and show us the result of their work.

[@brodymackinnon1989]

The timing of this video is great because I just started my first very small scale rocket and just finished making my first test batch of ACPC. This video is a great resource!

[@thaphreak]

Fear is your brain/body reacting in a self preservation manner, being afraid is recognizing the danger you're in and your brain/body attempting to react in a self preservation manner, If you handle rockets, explosives, firearms and/or any dangerous chemicals in general and you do *NOT* feel some fear daily, you need to a break - complacency *is* deadly.

[@sebastianwlodarczyk]

I'm looking forward to hearing more about the design and build process! Even with "rocket candy" motors, the difference between a model rocket engine and an explosive device is pretty thin- granted, you can eyeball casing thickness and the nozzle diameter for an engine that's around 1-2 cm in diameter (of course as long as you're cautious) and be _relatively_ safe, but that is a completely different scale. I'm sure that the design and manufacturing of a motor that big will be a fascinating material to watch!

[@DanielWilliams-oi4ss]

Normally i skip ads/product placement, but the onshape ad actually caught my attention. I run Linux, and can’t be arsed to dual boot. So cad stuff has been kinda out of the picture for a while.

[@sunlight3542]

I know the footage from space shot will be incredible, and in the meantime I’ll enjoy these updates :) keep it up!

[@monkeytoes90]

Geez I’m a nerd, i think it’s great when you get into material science, many engineers that I’ve worked with from a technician standpoint have failed to fully comprehend the properties of the materials that they were designing for. Quite frankly metallurgy is a science that borders art and when someone has a high compression level they can work magic and prevent disaster in the same step.

[@MylesMax]

Im am making a scientifically accurate space craft in a 3d software and these videos have helped SOOO much since i am no where near qualified to make the judgments for what numbers to use or actually get test on the field for accurate data

[@seldoon_nemar]

I gotta say, I knew you could play with the internal grain geometry to affect burn time and thrust profiles, but I had not considered the fact you could vary the grain geometry along the length, and that not only can it be done, it needs to be done. This is why I love watching videos like yours, I learn something that I didn't know I didn't know.

[@favesongslist]

Gives a greater awe to the amazing SLS solids.

[@inkster-tk3uz]

10/10 tutorial, got an engine built over night, testing tomorrow. wise me luck.

[@all2kurious]

Your channel has been, and will continue to be one my absolute favorites of all KZbin.

[@mumblbeebee6546]

Hooray, a new detail video, so much joy! When “Tech Ingredients” started mixing rocket fuel I got excited but this is aiming for _space_ !! :) Thank you for sharing all this cool stuff!

[@csenno24]

SPACE IS THE PLACE BABY

[@BPSspace]

YOU KNOW IT

[@peronik349]

Superb (series of) video! In your "discalmer", you talk about being "afraid" of your construction because it's dangerous! I would say rather that in this type of practice have a look not "fearful" but "respectful" (yes we take risks but we know them and we are aware of them and we act accordingly). Mistakes with this type of thing can be deadly. Safety rules MUST be followed almost fanatically. Another detail in this type of practice, one of the basic rules is: "When" it goes badly not "If" it goes badly

[@GreggCesaroni]

You are very right about a lot of the safety. You should be scared but not to the point where you can’t do any work. You shouldn’t be too comfy to where accidents happen. Took me a little to find that balance. It’s always be aware of what can go wrong and keep it at the back of your mind. First time I made propellant for HPR motors I was a on edge. Second batch, not as much. Then I made my first commercial motors. When I knew what and who they were for, I was shaking and didn’t sleep lol. But 3rd batch in, I was fine. But I knew the risks. Can’t wait to see your rocket fly! Good luck!

[@davidjhyatt]

I just poured a 77% O for our 25k competition rocket a couple days ago! Very interesting to see all the ways we are similar and different. Good luck!

[@jimseibyl5140]

I have loved watching your journey from hobby motors to full space shot. Well done Joe!

[@humanistwriting5477]

i know its too late, but may i suggest the oddest, and most brilliant thing for stock tubes particularly aluminum tubes Ball Sizing. you get a series of steel balls sized from a bit under ideal size to just over ideal size and push them through with some lubrication. this forces the material to back to round and can help a little with any voids allowing the use of extruded AL tube. Now we use ball bearing balls industrially because the are polished and darn near perfect sized and cheap to replace but you can just turn a mandrel for a one off so you don't need the entire radius of a ball, but you should turn two overlapping radii if you make a mandrel to size and true up your tubes, and only two in case there is some misalignment thats also why you want to use a radius and not a cone, misalignment when you push it through.

[@srijanpanicker5395]

Thanks for making such great videos, these videos becomes inspiration for us youngesters, how amazing and beautiful the world of science is, and encourages us to work more to achieve our goals!!!❤

[@bobert6754]

Awesome video. Thanks to you, I now have the confidence to build a 100 lbs solid rocket booster for the first time alone in my garage.

[@Civilsitis]

You are a reason why KZbin is amazing !!!!!!!!

[@oldcynic6964]

10:00 "I'm sure.. sure.... sure.........." In my 68 years I have found that when someone says "I'm sure" what he actually means is "I don't know, but I hope to God that..." :=) Very interesting video, Joe. I stumbled on it by accident, and I wouldn't say I understand all the points, but I enjoyed it.

[@DrakeTain]

What I love the most about this is that when I was a kid my father had a friend who was very into model rocketry, the massive ones and worked with one of the colleges out in California. I remember very clearly he would tell us that it was impossible for one of these kind of rockets to ever actually make it to space. Seeing all these videos about your community proving that wrong always gives me quite a laugh.

[@nocare]

Not to be a stickler but there is a good chance by space they meant orbit. Is that possible or did he clearly say break the karman line or some equivalent? The first ameture rocket to do that was 2004. Don't get me wrong they are still full of it, one day an ameture rocket will reach orbit but that's way way harder obviously, and depending on how you define "these kind of rockets" understandable if you see it as implausible.

[@TheExplosiveGuy]

This is great, there is so little video content on the design and manufacture of solid rocket motors, I've been learning as much as I can about it the last few years and have just started making my own motors, I finished a much smaller J270 a few weeks ago. Making APCP motors is surprisingly complicated for such a simple concept, the number of things that can go wrong is quite high, I've blown more casings and nozzles up than I'd like to admit lol. The biggest thing for me was getting the right surfactant to let the gas bubbles float out when casting under vacuum, Isodecyl pelargonate sure makes life easier, porosity will cause you no end of trouble, and getting the right mesh sizes for all the dry chems is imperative. I'm looking forward to the next video!

[@gedaliakoehler6992]

Great video. Always happy to see your stuff.

[@metalworker3]

This is awesome Joe! Years ago, I tried making some G-class motors with a rock tumbler. Your process looks a bit more methodical, and bonkers. Best of luck!

[@WindyHeavy]

A simplex is the triangle version of the hypercube. Love the subtle math nods!!!

[@truegret7778]

Good to see new adventures and to see you back. You might want to consider a "wagon wheel spoke design" for the grain as that will maximize area of propellant. I worked at a startup, long ago (in the '80s) that had a solid propellant (pretty good Isp) known as polybutadiene mixed with carbon (pressurized helium pressurizing LOx sprayed into each spoke of the wheel). As I recall, we had a 12 spoke design. (ref: "AMROC|Know Your Rocket" - which later became SpaceDev, then became the solid booster for Virgin Galactic ). Your design is very close to that design, minus the wheel hub.

[@s197shelby]

I have been (im)patiently been waiting for this video. Bravo sir. Excited watch and rewatch this series.

[@fennoman9241]

Thanks for the inspiration and recommendation to build this. I will now go build a large scale rocket motor.

[@MikesTropicalTech]

Wow, blown away by the leaps and bounds you're making on your journey past the Karman line!

[@BreakingTaps]

Super interesting, can't wait for the future videos! I hope your lathe survived the graphite nozzle 😬

[@MrFuzzyFreak]

It'll shortly be obvious I'm not a rocket guy. but this seemed like the best video to ask this question on. I was wondering if anyone has ever tried to build a motor with a nozzle designed to blow out, or partially blow out, at a certain pressure as the grain burns? giving it a single motor that operates like a 2 stage when the grain hits a specified burn diameter? from an engineering standpoint I think it'd be a unicorn, something with a high probability of failure, but, maybe with a healthy safety margin built in for the blowout pressure?

[@rocketcello5354]

YES, caught a BPS vid early! I've made a few rough designs for rocket candy motors before, but nothing this complicated and deadly. That igniter is very clever, that was an issue with my motors. Very glad it fired off well, and let's hope the next one works!

[@ewanp]

Good to see you back! I know all about overpressure! Nozzle diameter too small and BANG! Lucky I thought of sand bags.

[@jessepersinger9821]

Thanks for the video. I’ve just recently finished a motor build myself and did not know about open motor. Will be a great resource, any extra information is a step towards a safer test.

[@GoughCustom]

Exciting stuff Joe! Very excited to see the progress towards a space shot!

[@rixogtr]

Not sure if it would work for you, but I build radiators, oil coolers and other pressure vessels mostly out of aluminium and I use a rubber grease called "Molykote 112" which is meant for high vacuum and it withstands high temperatures as well. We had a massive cnc machined aluminium tank which had slots for tubes to be slid in with rubber O-ring. Because of the shape of the tube, size of the O-ring and super tight tolerances we couldn't get the tube in without busting the O-ring which is when we found this lube and it's night and day in comparison to other regular lubes we tried. It even helps to hold quite insane pressures too. Give that a try.

[@DavidCAllen50]

We used a MS16142 port instead of the NPT threaded pressure sensors. We also flew 2 pressure sensors, one monitoring chamber pressure and the second one threaded into a blind hole, and should read 0 psi the whole flight . We used that sensor to check that the sensors were stable during the flight. There’s a tool that you could use your CNC mill to cut the MS16142 port, check out SAE-4SS.

[@BreakingBarriers2DIY]

“…can either kill you quickly or…it’s mostly quickly with the machines.” I’m crying laughing. Best line in quite some time for my ears.

[@bry29bry]

This is awesome 😎 you are a legend 💪 I have been following from the beginning and it's so inspiring, keep going, never stop!

[@TAR3N]

Honestly, you need to make a full video covering the chemistry and building of the motor. Theres hundreds online but they all lack the attention to detail that you put into your presentations as well they’re not as articulate. I think youre doing a disservice to all the kids out there by not covering it in depth . From the kids of a coal mine community 60 years ago to today. This subject is fascinating and interesting to all age groups. The more accurate and informative information out there , the safer the hobby becomes. Bombs are easy to build, and theres a lot easier and more efficient explosives out there than rocket fuel. So i dont think you should worry about that . Other than that/ I’ve enjoyed watching your videos over the years. I understand how much work goes into your channel and the time it takes- but I really wish you could post more often if that’s something that becomes available if time permits. Take care and happy launch

[@elidas1008]

"O-rings that climb on rocks" 😂 loved it Edit : actually there where many more joyful side notes which all together made my day.

[@tygerbyrn]

Awesome stuff. Great episode. This is the reason why I subbed in the first place. I look forward to more in the near future. Thank you!

[@gsuberland]

This is an absolutely bonkers scale project! Fantastic work.

[@magicblockcraft]

Thanks for the amazing videos love them and great hype to carry on in 2023 as well ❤❤❤

[@HeisenbergFam]

One day this man is gonna make a makeshift spaceship and make a video from space

[@kirleyq1394]

This is the best channel on KZbin.

[@tygerbyrn]

Great introduction to small-scale solid rocket motor design and development. And thank you for the information regarding cherry limeade! I have never heard of the MIT team that formulated that rocket propellant. Sounds very interesting from my preliminary search of this solid propellant formula.

[@The.Talent]

I'm excited for this!!!!

[@joelhavinga8366]

Just created an OnShape student account! Thanks for showing it, it seems really great.

[@alexbuilder6983]

Its the coolest thing seeing you and this channel evolve!

[@aerox4979]

That was so interesting, thanks for sharing your work with everyone

[@MikeSavageZA]

Well May I just say I am here for this. All of it.

[@bikerfirefarter7280]

When assembling with 'o' rings you can make the initial insertion really easy by putting a short 20-25degree chamfer at the edge, it doesn't alter or compromise any strength of parts, but it is SO much easier; and it prevents the sharp edge gouging or nipping the 'o' ring. Also, why don't you roll the nozzle end of the casing and insert the nozzle from the top, then load propellant, with core/former in-out through nozzle? You could plug the top (with ignitor/sensors) and then roll the top end too.

[@Na16Patman]

NEW BPS VIDEO GO GO GO

[@MACRONOMIC]

Good luck on reaching one mill you are already at 626k!!!

[@michiganengineer8621]

Possibly a silly thought but, would it make sense for thermal transfer and burn-though prevention to cera-coat the inside of the casing between the plugs at each end? I know it would add a little bit of weight, but it would add to the insulation value between the core and the shell.

[@williamj8349]

You're absolutely brilliant - Keep up the good work.

[@SprocketN]

Rocket science turns out to be interesting and oddly it’s understandable even to me, a ‘non-rocket scientist’. Thanks for taking the time to create this video. 😀 If I ever decide to change my career to rocket scientist I have a heads up with what I’ll need to learn 🤯

[@alecgriffiths790]

18:50 - Best line in the video. XD Jokes aside, this is a SUPER interesting look into the design process of Simplex. I'm looking forward to the next episode!

[@babate1337]

I never realized that someone could just make a rocket motor. I can’t wait to see this.

[@thibauddascotte5206]

Super happy you did this video!!

[@MinuteRockets]

Great info, thanks for sharing! I hope the space shot is a success.

[@simontanguay3619]

Just clicked on play. Already know it's gonna be a banger (pun intended)

[@firstnlast]

Thanks for the tutorial bro. I’m gonna go build a rocket motor now.

[@leggo0]

So excited for this series!

[@juliajean6731]

BPS is finaly getting it's name !

[@GroovyVideo2]

1991 designed motor using PVC as casing and easy to make nozzle - was easy and fast - cost twenty five cents per C size motor - worked on project for about a year till I got consistent good performance - many booms along the way

[@wombatillo]

Very detailed and in-depth. Happy engineering!

[@Sharklops]

Great video as always; what you've been able to accomplish on this channel is wildly impressive

[@Jaredshapiro1]

I recommend taking a look at the gland design you went with. Unless your grooves were narrower than the CAD shows you've left space for backup rings which I don't believe you used. The handbook contains information on width deltas for zero, one, and two backup rings.

[@odie11771]

You had completely disappeared from my feed! Glad to see you again.

[@favesongslist]

Wow, you never cease to amaze, What a lot of knowledge you are gaining. BTW what did you think of Starship?

[@JKVisFX]

I am really looking forward to seeing this project progress. SpaceX, today, had their first flight test and, yup, it was a RUD after about four minutes of flight. Expect your first prototype to not be perfect and quite pussibly, end in a RUD.

[@bobweiram6321]

The solid rocket motor is almost identical to an ER collet chuck. When I saw the thumbnail, I thought the video was going to be about machining. I bet you can turn an MT ER collet chuck into a solid rocket motor. The inside of the chuck has a through hole which you can insert a graphite rod into it. Some have a threaded end in the rear for a drawbar. It can be used for screwing on a forward closer and ER collet nut can be nozzle carrier.

[@andrewgarberXYZ]

This was a fantastic video - loved it. Great stuff.