How to Design the MOST Optimized Gold Farm [Nerf Proof!]

[@javierchust1618]

I love how this is not about AI. I prefer it like that

[@uiopuiop3472]

agreed

[@ironfoot1938]

Nobody tell him how AI (specifically machine learning) works

[@uropig]

you have ayche eye vee

[@uiopuiop3472]

@@uropig you have level 3 gyatt btw my skibidi rizz cannot stand being ohiomesticated anymore

[@oberonpanopticon]

@@ironfoot1938it’s funny how people who hate AI know the least about it. Though the people who love AI aren’t too far behind them…

[@rubeneuer7298]

Love the fact, that is wasn't just "I asked ChatGPT". Way better video then expected (if I read AI in the title the video is usually crap, but not in this case)

[@qcom1008]

ong those videos are so lazy this is wayyyyy better

[@gameshoot8571]

So true

[@danielrhouck]

This is better but I would also be interested in a video about getting a *useful* answer out of ChatGPT on a problem like this, because usually what it gives is nonsense for technical stuff.

[@bjarnejans2924]

I wondered about this exact problem multiple times and ran some rough tick warp tests but never bothered to code anything or study this in this capacity. Really good video, very easy to understand and the "Welcome to KZbin" was perfect.

[@ayushbishnoi8026]

seeing the uplift after optimizing gnembon's original farm will be a good test for the farm design methodology too

[@NicoisLOST]

Yeah it's been stuck on my mind for a while, was fun to play with!

[@lightning_11]

"But Neco, that wasn't AI." "You're right, welcome to KZbin." I've just been clickbated and I'm not even angry.

[@lbgstzockt8493]

This is probably closer to real AI than chatbots or what people call AI nowadays. This is just machine learning, otherwise known as numerical optimisation.

[@iVo42928f]

Funnily enough, you stumbled on quite some AI techniques even though the first part is stats. Your optimization technique at the end resembles gradient descent, but you ended up searching linearly and refining based on the sign of the gradient instead of steering with the value of the gradient. Additionally, if you did not already do this, a symmetric kill chamber allows you to lump TTK values of spawning spaces. In this case, you could use 4-axis symmetry to cut your farm in 8, replicating a block removal in the 7 equivalent positions. Even with your initial off-centered kill chamber with one entrance, you could already cut the farm in half code-wise.

[@liamcole99]

Minecrafts pathfinding sometimes prefers directions, i suspect you could lose a percent of efficiency for some mobs

[@bilge677]

@@liamcole99 he did say that he touched up the asymmetries to make the farm 'prettier' so I doubt it would've been important in the end. But yeah, if minecraft's pathfinding favours certain directions, then having those asymmetries in the final design would technically make it more efficient.

[@TaylenYoung-x4z]

After 8 million years he returned

[@thestormcrafter]

I think this is actually AI. Most people just think of neural networks, chat bots and such when hearing AI, but this os definitely a kind of machine learning. You had a look at your data and figured out what kind of model would best suit this. But AI doesn’t even need to be machine learning. I don’t think the title is misleading, people just forgot what the term actually means. (Someone from my local university actually told me once they have people being very surprised when they need to actually program a regular non-machine learning AI like pathfinding or similar.

[@WoolyCow]

tbf i wouldnt classify most pathfinding as ai as there isnt iterative improvement. for something like the tsp where you need to optimise for a 'good enough' solution, definitely ai if youre being fancy. but if its just get from a to b, id say most algos just do what you tell em im curious as to where youd draw a line between iterative optimisation and ai , im sure its a pointless semantic question (bc it really doesnt matter as long as it works!), but it seems to be an increasingly relevant one

[@Samcask]

The google definition of AI is pretty much just a computer doing something a human normally would. Of course not the most reliable source but still, I would tend to agree, this is AI, as is just about any other algorithm.

[@thestormcrafter]

@ Thing is, you don’t need iterative improvement for AI. AI is a pretty broad term.

[@user-bj7yu2ju3e]

as mentioned in another comment his optimization kind of resembles gradient descent to find a local minimum (or in this case maximum) which basically all machine learning algorithms do as well. so this actually is a rudimentary machine learning algorithm imo.

[@thestormcrafter]

@@user-bj7yu2ju3e Machine Learning basically just requires iterative improvement according to some kind of evaluation algorithm. We have such an algorithm and it is used to iteratively approach an optimum. Don’t see how this even could be not a kind of machine learning. AI isn’t really about just feeding stuff into a model, it’s basically data science and statistics to figure out how to normalise your data, identify and remove and how you could best process all that data in the end.

[@nathbregou27]

Forgot mid vid it was supposed to be about AI lol, great vid!

[@lightning_11]

Same hahaha

[@INC_Lua]

9 months and nico is BACK with another banger of a video, great job!

[@ghostmachine6285]

Nicole isn't lost. This is his home n we r his family. Love ya bro.

[@klb2164]

i love that this video teaches concepts of calculus with a practical use case

[@kiramini22]

i love the idea of this being applicable to other farms. thanks for sharing

[@PabloPalumbo-t5t]

This is very well done! I’m very happy that you used algorithms and not “just use AI bro”

[@FarmandSMC]

2:31 what a swede beacon

[@emel0759]

Banger, the amount of detail in every farm from you, i dont want to build farms anymore without a infepth explanation from you 😂

[@helpfulpanda606]

As much as I was surprised to hear about the usage of AI, I was more shocked to see you using actual statistics and analysis to find the best solution. Great job! 👍🏻

[@aaku2684]

been watching your videos, and what a coincidence has it been today! I just finished learning gradient descent and linear regression, and this video pops up in my recommendations. 11:26 what you did here is not exactly gradient descent but its very very similar. Excellent video man! This is what i hope to do one day, and this is one of the main reasons why I am learning ML or even Python lol.

[@maxmyzer9172]

12:22 Learned about this method (and its drawbacks) in class. Interesting usage!

[@alysoffoxdale]

I really appreciate the time you take to explain such concepts in relatively simple terms so the average player can learn from your expertise and testing! I haven't developed the skills to _do_ technical work, but I'm good enough to appreciate it when I see it, and I'm looking forward to getting this schematic to play with!

[@claudiusvier]

Amazing content! Thank you for all the effort and beautiful Manim animations! :)

[@SmearyPagee-v7n]

After 32,387,198 seconds... he has returned with a banger.

[@aaronchong403]

Love this. I actually understood everything as an engineering grad and am glad I went to uni.

[@_seb_mg3079]

All my numerical analysis engineering knowledge going crazy rn, 10/10 video on how to apply this in a very fun way lots of players can relate too.

[@fish.villager]

wow this is really cool. been putting off making a gold farm in my world, but this is definitely the one

[@guillerodriguez8527]

Niko you are the goat!!! I learn in your videos to program, understand how math works, how u can do things in minecraft more efficient and you also show how youtube works. Congrats, thats how you get in rank 1 in my youtube.

[@dkvizco9823]

Very intersting and well explained video, so inspiring. Keep up the good work👍👍

[@VadidLawrence]

nice to see you again, your videos are really interesting

[@dinhero21]

it would be very interesting to see traditional gradient optimizing algorithms facing this, if you tune the hyperparameters right, you can probably consistently converge in under 10 steps!

[@aniruddha1117]

It might just end up becoming the perfect one ! I loved it!

[@gabrielbatocchiocondedeoli8395]

dope farm niko, love your ideas

[@prklp69]

YEESSS FINALLY NICO UPLOADED

[@killermachine_13]

Love your videos NicoIsLost, will surely make this farm in my server!❤

[@unfal108]

i'm so Happy you are still alive

[@anoukk_]

I actually really love this approach! You could have made a symetrical measurement of ttk by mapping the data on each eighth slice of the platform to just one eight. That way you also have way more data per block and you get a symmetrical result. And because this slashes the total of variables to one eighth this also makes the optimal search way faster. It would also be interesting to know whether the shape of the platform affects the ttk in other ways because of the gang up mechanics of the piglin.

[@AkiSan0]

i dont know about the video, but for some reason, something in your patreons triggered my brain. i was looking for a word the whole effining week and my brain ultra-hard blocked even the slightest hint at getting close to it. so... thanks i guess! on the topic of gold farms, i would like to see a "harvester" design with cycling flying machines clearing the platforms faster (at least no stuck pigmen and in theory faster speeds than walking, while sacrificing a "row" of spawning spaces. even though it might require more killing setup, i think it would be an interesting take on the standard aggro farms.

[@huiyizhang3547]

yooo he’s back

[@eyadikramy7674]

I knew when you said the farm was functional that it wasn’t ai and your actual approach was really interesting

[@guigx973]

Really cool work !

[@BrakeTheGame]

Fantastic video!! 🔥

[@johns1623]

litematica or a world download would be helpful. It's nice to see you back I enjoy the detail work.

[@usoppyasopp955]

its in his discord

[@UrbanBricks]

Great job, crazy amount of work, commenting just to boost video 😂.

[@scoopp3902]

Insane effort on the video; expected this to be some AI slop and came out pleasantly surprised! Love the math visualizations as well; saddening that this doesn't have more views...

[@azerty-hy9nv]

this is 1000% better than AI, great vid !!! can't even fathom the amount of time and head banging you put into this, but the result is awesome Edit : people that watched the video after the title change : "why everyone is talking about ai in the comment? 🧐"

[@kristoffertoyra9809]

Finally! Love your videos! Can you do a 100% emerald farm?

[@KingOfLeeYT]

I feel like the title kind of does the video a disservice cause the amount of effort put into the content of the video and the video itself was great

[@NicoisLOST]

Yeah this comment hit me. Thanks and trying to adapt :-).

[@thegittubaba]

I'm glad you didn't actually use a LLM to design a farm for shits and giggles and clickbait. What you did is actual data science and engineering its far more valuable. MATH FTW. Great job :D A tangent, this type of practical usages should be used in school to teach math/engineering. I remember my uni days when nobody in class understood what fourier transform actually is and why its needed and "good" students just memorized equations verbatim to gain cgpa. Years later I slowly understood the relevance and brilliance of FT by learning from internet/side projects how groundbreaking tool it is.

[@Boboty0_0]

He's baaack ❤❤

[@JEFF-we9cx]

It’s actually so satisfying to see what I learned in college math being used in something like this.

[@morgant1c]

Nico is an AI confirmed!

[@RedRiverCAE]

HES BACK

[@randommusicsimade1269]

You didn't use an AI, but you coded your own, which makes it even better.

[@Brianpuz]

I hope all is better ... missed your videos

[@ChineseSeal63]

no way im early on this goats video first one in 9 months

[@prklp69]

amazingngngngngnngng i never thought changing the circle to a weirder circle could give better rates

[@Bigbubbaishere]

Well well well look who’s alive

[@VIELACE]

the legend is Back

[@soviethog7874]

the legend is back

[@tritemis2056]

Perfect. Thats the only word to describe this video.

[@xyssxy]

why do you let the pigmen drop? why not have a kill chamber on each layer in this design? doesn't the drop increase ttk?

[@hata6290]

cant wait for ai to be able to do this by itself XD without the hours of self testing

[@TD_Bear]

OMG BABE WAKE UP Nico is LOST JUST UPLOADED

[@tunafllsh]

not the clickbait but i love the shape

[@srinikhavijay43]

I love the beacon colors

[@matthewmusashi]

Ahhh Nico has been found!

[@coolciul4454]

1:05 actually it count to spigot, bukkit or any paper and purpur. but doesn't count to ordinary vanilla or servers with solo portal farms plugin installed

[@turingux]

Awesome work. WhiteStoneJazz is missing from people mentioned section btw.

[@NicoisLOST]

Thanks! Will add!

[@JakubWaliłko]

He is back

[@eli_0625]

Love your Videos :))

[@Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm]

The man, the myth, the legend remembered his password

[@deegobooster]

Yo what music did you use? It bops!! I was nodding in agreement the whole video

[@NicoisLOST]

Intro is omission by huma-huma, and outro is ebb and flow by pandaraps. The rest of the music is custom commissioned music I bought for the channel ;-)

[@deegobooster]

@@NicoisLOST Dang :D well they did a great job. Good choice! It really helped keep me engaged the whole time.

[@monkeydrui]

forget AI taking over the world, AI can make minecraft farms

[@Dani_el_Duck]

Bless non generative AI content! Any ideias for other farms this pipeline would be useful? I might give it a try

[@NathanAlgrenz]

He has risen baby girl.

[@DefaultUser9148]

The only 100% optimized farm is spawning an infinite amount of zombified pigmen that die in the first tick and the items to be transported into an infinite amount of double chests in the second tick and for every gold sword to be smelted instantly and made into nuggets, then into golden ingots also instantly.

[@linus0075]

Thank you. love your Videos.

[@butterbee_bb]

I’m curious whether this is dependent on the seed or the actual coordinates of each block. And as some ppl have already said, this is definitely a form of machine learning. The simplest form of machine learning is a simple regression, so derivative-based optimization does fit the bill

[@xyvernthederg5760]

you forgot about the most important factor: how cool is it and that goes to the minecart version

[@paulchristensen7]

ChatGPT would require so many specifics that you may as well just design it yourself. If I ask it for gold farm ideas it’ll probably just give me a generic portal-ticking design,

[@mikeprolas2027]

Honestly waiting for that fortune8diamond gold farm

[@boman2000]

Crazy good🔥

[@WaddedBliss]

I don't understand your videos but love them anyway. Nerds rule, as Americans would say if they had the brains.

[@NicoisLOST]

Ouch :-( .... ;-)

[@h1ghost_275]

great vid!

[@oberonpanopticon]

Listened to this video while multitasking, thought it was about pikmin 😭

[@atharva138]

this side of minecraft is soo insane

[@DylanGhost-k1b]

I know this is a bit late, but would it be possible to take the idea of self-optimization and apply it to, like, iron or regular mob farms?

[@CrafterAurora]

What the rates? epic video btw

[@TheRealWormbo]

I wonder: Now that zombified piglins spawn reinforcements of their own kind instead of regular zombies, would allowing those reinforcements to spawn in the glassed area increase the rates in a meaningful way? Those reinforcements would likely have a shorter TTK, after all. (I guess you'd have to lower the floor in those lines where the boats are and make them magma blocks.)

[@JamesWeston-v2s]

I was just wondering if having a drop between every few blocks you go wider is worth it to have some type of fast slime block launcher to get them to the player quicker. Or on the walk to the player?? And as always thanks for the great vid.

[@thatmg393]

pls drop the schemat 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿

[@impatientimp3292]

Can you optimize for the minimum amount of wood farms to get all wood types? I don't want to build 1 for each type😨.Also as automatic as possible!

[@ashoka7273]

Are we gonna get another vid about the iron farm then and is that project getting continued?

[@jonasgajdosikas1125]

tbf, while this isn't AI, in the sense it's usually thought about, it leverages much of the same principles AI does: lots of statistics and gradient descent in an abstract space

[@turn7x]

i very curious on where you were going with the whole "ai" in the tittle until you started showing graphs like you usually do and "oh yeah, if water bottles can have ""AI"" then this is very much an ai too"

[@Timmzy27]

A good example of how AI should be used… as a tool to assist where gaps of knowledge exist or long repetitive tasks so us humans don’t have to, the rest is still down to us

[@siz1700]

NICO IS FOUND

[@marclie42]

You could have looked into the optuna framework

[@ThijquintNL]

7:38 I might be silly, but wouldn't trapdoors just work, since mobs think open trapdoors are walkable full blocks?

[@NicoisLOST]

OK so funny story -- I uh did this and it didn't work so super well. A single trapdoor would have pigment sometimes getting stuck on the edge, and double trap doors made some weird thing happen -- they pigmen would fall then jump around for like 5 seconds, I think due to pathfinding reseting. I actually originally included this in the video but cut it, but think the solution presented is the best.

[@pritorchannel3698]

Oh yeah, optimizing algorithms

[@kigi_official]

A new Video! Yeah

[@ThijquintNL]

Im trying to join ur discord, but google gives a privacy error btw

[@NicoisLOST]

Hmm OK. Thanks I will look at it...