How to develop color film at room temperature, featuring Cinestill Cs41 kit.

[@sixteenbitter]

MacGuyver agitation technique! I love it.

[@Raychristofer]

Hahaha thank you, all I wanted to find was something motorized in my house and I would have figured out a way to make it do its thing lol. my wife reminded me of that massager in the shed. yeah man 21 min is too long to hand agitate for me.

[@AnaloguePT]

they turned out amazingly good. I love this portrait at 1:53 and the red car. The orange shirt and the reds on the car really pop. Good idea using that foot massager to do the agitation.

[@Raychristofer]

Hello how are you thank you. I have so many films over the past years I wish I could re do in this. I'm also having trouble keeping up with your last few uploads. You're prolific

[@altermoremusic]

I agree. True life portrait.

[@Raychristofer]

@@altermoremusic Thank you my brother, I thought you left my channel by the wayside

[@altermoremusic]

@@Raychristofer I have so many videos to watch, to train and develop my skills and I have so much to do, so I just don't have much time to follow and watch everything, you know bro :D But I'm here.

[@Raychristofer]

@@altermoremusic thanks for checking this video out, I have about three different RGB lights so this time I wanted to experiment and put it right behind me. Because my wife works from home and my daughter is homeschool it's hard for me to shoot videos inside anymore I think I did this at night when everyone was asleep. I still would like to send you a box of gear that maybe you could use, if you ever figure out an affordable way with the shipping let me know.

[@theoldcameraguy]

These colors are great man. The orange shirt self portraits really stand out for me. This CineStill kit is the only one I’ve ever used for color developing - never tried your agitation method though haha.

[@Raychristofer]

Hey thanks man. I went to work on the computer and it occured to me I hope that canister doesn't fall over when I'm not looking lol. I reckon labs use continuous agitation so I figured I can't go too wrong.

[@TeKnoVKNG23]

"Like baking a cake except don't eat the ingredients..." Ray you crack me up man, lol. Great video on the development process and the shots came out great, some of the portraits even look almost like a painting the colors are so deep. Also love the foot massage agitator, very clever.

[@Raychristofer]

Hello TKV, thanks for checking this out. You know the crazy thing is my house was so full of people with no peace and quiet I shot this video in two separate outdoor locations on several days and I had to trash it all because the audio was bad for high wind and traffic driving by. Finally had time at home when they went on errands lol.

[@TeKnoVKNG23]

@@Raychristofer Yeah it can be tough to record when there is a lot going on in the house. I'm having issues with the PC I use to edit/record so that's kind of cutting into how much I can do right now. I need to get a new PC and upgrade my whole set up on that end, but kind of tough to spend the money right now. My other issue is whenever I do voiceovers my cat thinks I'm on the phone and wants to jump up on the desk and make all kinds of noise because she wants attention and has this weird thing where if you try to talk on your phone she gets jealous someone else is getting your attention, lol.

[@Raychristofer]

@@TeKnoVKNG23 hahaha that's too funny. You might have to do voice in the closet, the clothes absorb sound well. Your cat sounds like my chiuahua lol. Months ago my pc died and I couldn't afford a new editing pc so I found a place that recycles computers and they had a dell XPS gaming pc from 2011 for $250. It's almost overkill for me as what used to take an hour to render at 100% now takes 13 min at fifty percent. Glad I stumbled on it

[@TeKnoVKNG23]

@@Raychristofer Yeah the gaming rigs with those fancy graphics card help render stuff so much faster. I'm kind of hoping for some deals around Thanksgiving/X-mas before I grab a new one and even then it will prob be something refurb or last year's tech, which is more than enough for me. Just need something that can handle the recording/encoding and sound for voice over at the same time.

[@ribsy]

man this is great! i tell everyone that things are so much easier than they say ...

[@Raychristofer]

thanks man, Hey when I first started color I used to get OCD because I would accidentally heat up the water too much or too little and if the colors didn't look right I would blame myself. I think what I learned from this is the labs use continuous agitation so I think that's what makes this work so well is because it's not sitting still for 2 minutes in between, that's my theory,

[@berkeleygang1834]

Why did I have to find this video /after/ I bought the Cinestill Temperature Control System? Ah well, I wasn't looking forward to that ultra-short 3-1/2 minute development time anyway. IMHO, anything less than 5 minutes has too much risk for an error in timing.

[@Raychristofer]

Hahaha lol. Too funny. Honestly 20 minutes is nothing to play with and most people don't have a foot massager rig like I do. What shocked me though is how accurate the colors were so it changes everything we were talked about temperature deviation causing color shifts

[@joeltunnah]

I’ve done C41 using stand development. Agitate first minute only, then just let it sit 59 minutes at room temp. Wash for 3 minutes, then Blix and stabilize as normal, also at room temp (72°F or higher is fine). Comes out great.

[@ColHogan-zg2pc]

Wow I didn't know that was an option, I've been waiting for my color-rodinal, someday....

[@bbqgiraffe3766]

This was very helpful and made me less scared of doing C-41, developing my second roll as I type this

[@altermoremusic]

6:01 wow, this is a retro look. In all senses. Nice! If we talk about the car, i mean red super Chevy Malibu, then with this film it looks much cooler than the next with a Porsche. 7:10 I also like the overall picture of the video. Obviously a light strong lens and a powerful light source. Also this back light, cool. I want to have this quality picture in my videos :D

[@Raychristofer]

Hello thank you my brother. Sometimes it's hard to find a decent space in the house to shoot video with a clean background. one problem I realize is my shirt was very wrinkled I should have ironed it first

[@ribsy]

your agitation method is wild! so creative haha

[@Raychristofer]

Hahaha I was determined to find something motorized in my house that I could rig. My wife reminded me of that foot massager we had in the shed. I'm trying to think now what is the most small and reliable motorized device that can be adapted for others to use if they want to try this.

[@berkeleygang1834]

Poor man's Jobo. :D. Seriously. Have you seen how much a Jobo runs? Too rich for my blood. As for a small and reliable motorized device, how about a hot dog roller? About $40 at Amazon. I just bought one to mix model paints, but now that I think about it, I might have to give it a try for film developing.

[@jonathanhotopf1823]

Very interesting you can do colour at room temp. I can use my room thermostat instead of a water bath system, I don’t mind the extra time as the is not such a rush to get the chemicals out.

[@Raychristofer]

thanks man, glad it was helpful

[@NicoleSmallOneonOne]

Hi Aloy. I have done this myself but with the Arista brand and have developed film with a batch of that chemistry that was over a year old. Results were pretty surprising good!

[@Raychristofer]

Thanks Nicole, youre on another level with your analog experiments so Im staying in my lane for sure :) you beat me to the experiment but I guess I got you on the video upload lol.

[@NicoleSmallOneonOne]

@@Raychristofer Yah, you did!

[@kevinsanity31]

Hello, did you do the same with blix part?

[@brineb58]

Nice presentation, I have used other C41 kits and have a Cinestill set for my next batch!!!

[@Raychristofer]

Hey thanks definitely give it a try. Maybe take a screenshot of that temperature time chart if you want to try it with a different manufacturer set of chemicals also

[@Arturo.H.M]

I love your agitation method 😍

[@Theaglagla99]

thank you too much for this video! I was about to buy one of these fancy sous vide machine! I will do it this afternoon! super excited :)

[@mazoman7]

Love your content, great work!

[@Raychristofer]

Hello Chase thanks man, much respect.

[@matt904sl]

Nice video Ray and stay safe 👍👍👍

[@Raychristofer]

Hello Matt thank you, I don't do enough analog stuff around here, I have several films I've tried that I plan to review in the future

[@maxwesmont]

interesting and impressive shots. thank you!

[@Raychristofer]

Hello thank you for checking this out

[@ColHogan-zg2pc]

This really does look great for that fuji 200 stock, juet last year i was able to go to a walmart and get a pack and i rhink it was ~22 dollars. Im now oooking into shooting Kodak Vison 3 motion-picture color film but i worry about the ECN-2 process or cross-developingng with C41 film.

[@dannyjonze]

Nice results, thanks for the info.

[@Raychristofer]

Thanks Dan, youre the mann

[@fringie69]

Great video!

[@RobMoses]

Good job man. I gotta get doing this stuff too. .

[@Raychristofer]

Word up, the labs are gonna say who does this guy Rob think he is showing us up?? lol

[@RobMoses]

@@Raychristofer 😆 Yes!

[@williamw8234]

Another excellent video!

[@Raychristofer]

I dedicated to you william! Hahaha thanks for passing through

[@MinsanSauers]

Great video as always! I use the Cinestill kit as well, and I've found that adding a couple drops of Photoflo to my Stabilizer prevents those water spots from showing up. Love your channel, and have a great day!

[@Raychristofer]

Hello thank you my man, tell me something after a few weeks the stabilizer always seems to develop a milky slime at the bottom almost like toilet paper was dissolved in it. Is that normal? The past few rolls I I haven't used it just to see what the difference is. It's good to hear from other subscribers who developed their own also.

[@MinsanSauers]

@@Raychristofer for sure! Its awesome to see more people home developing! I have not seen the milkyness you mentioned, but I also used distilled water to make my chemistry so maybe that helped?

[@cianleonizoabad]

7:36 genius

[@sktvictor]

thank you for this video

[@Raychristofer]

Sir Victor thank you for checking it out, glad it was helpful

[@robomixdj]

thanks a lot for the inside. I think i will start developing color film soon. :-)

[@Raychristofer]

Definitely do it. Thanks

[@jimwlouavl]

I just ordered my kit. I’d worry about developer exhaustion with such long development times. Maybe the lower temperature makes the developer last longer.

[@lancmac]

Outstanding video... That video lets apartment folks of photo students the ability to develop their own... Makes it pretty easy...

[@Raychristofer]

Thanks Lanc, definitely for sure. color correcting scans was giving me gray hairs so I appreciate the less work also. if it comes out this decent with epson software I can only imagine how it would look with something like negative lab pro.

[@tonyb2760]

Thank you

[@Raychristofer]

Toni Tony Tone, back at ya bro.

[@GroupieImp64]

Wonderful! Thank you! Subscribed :D

[@sebalatorre]

thanks man!

[@h.sinclair]

another great vid Ray! Very entertaining... I'm on my 12th roll of 120 on this quart Cinestill kit... and it's fine so far, wonder how many rolls you can actually get out of a quart kit.... (adding a few seconds as you go...)

[@Raychristofer]

That's a very good question, one tip I have is I noticed my negatives getting thinner and lighter over time but they scanned perfectly, I took a month between developing and that final roll was blank. What I learned is when you're not sure, put an exposed film leader in the developer, if it turns black th chems are still good. Wish I had known that when I started

[@h.sinclair]

@@Raychristofer great idea with snip test leader. It seems like the film base tint has gotten heavier after about the 8th roll

[@bunadud]

Awesome I really like idea. And you make awesome video.

[@Raychristofer]

Hello thank you, I'm trying, if you only knew, I shot this video three times before I could get it correct

[@martinbrown3384]

Nice one mate! (per usual) Perhaps I best get out there and shoot some film.. (you never know)...

[@Raychristofer]

Wait, is this THEE Martin Brown?? I didn't know you followed me on KZbin lol. Thanks for passing through bro.

[@martinbrown3384]

@@Raychristofer Yes sir, it be me😉

[@stephanpaier9887]

Do you have to adjust developement-time to the amount of developed films? And if so: if you only mix the half of the chemicals: Do you have to use the longer developing time according to the double amount of developed film? For example: I developed 3 films in the half of the chemistry: Do I have to calculate the developing time of film number 4 as if I had developed 6 films in the full volume of the chemistry? Thx, Stephan

[@jurgentrovato2233]

Does the application of the bleach need to be extended again?

[@olafwDE]

D'oh, I missed the last two episodes of "KZbin's best presenter" (learned that over at Mat's channel), the algorithm strikes back ... Okay, I've engaged the notification bell now, but it seems that I need to reduce the number of my subscriptions xD Once again I'm baffled how creative some of your low-fi solutions can get - I've paid a fortune for a developer tank rotation device. Used, second ore many more hands, manufactured around the 80ies, prone to break one of these days. I bet your foot massage thingy costs a fraction..! Great results, the colors look right on spot. I'm gonna try that myself. I just wondered about the Oldsmobile: Did a dog relief itself there (hugest bladder, ever)? Or does the puddle result from a major coolant leak?

[@Raychristofer]

Hahaha lol thanks Olaf, yes I think the maintenance ran a water hose nearby. yes I thought hard about it and labs have their film in a constant agitator so why would I let my film sit stagnant every thirty seconds. my wife reminded me of the foot massager when she saw me looking for something with a motor. imagine something like that could be made with off the shelf parts from home depot for 10 bucks. glad to know you develop also, not many sybscribers are able. thanks man

[@olafwDE]

@@Raychristofer So, kudos to your wife! 🖖 Yeah, I have had a professional education in a reproduction lab back in the days. Due to CoVid, there's no access to a darkroom atm. It's a shame, but certainly worth the abstinence. Can't wait to return. Stay safe & take care :)

[@berkeleygang1834]

@@olafwDE BTW, take a closer look at 6:15. Looks like a Chevelle to me.

[@olafwDE]

@@berkeleygang1834 I think you're right. Also, all Cutlass I could find pictures of have a two-part grill and no circular taillights.

[@nicolasdemoulin7203]

Great video, how many 120 rolls can you develop with the kit?

[@Raychristofer]

That is a good question and there is no real answer because even if you develop 5 rolls, if you let the chemicals sit for many months it will slowly deteriorate on its own, if you develop 30 rolls in two days it may still work fine but each negative will get slightly lighter or more transparent. I recommend checking the cinestill website pdf guide as it can explain it better than I can.

[@nicolasdemoulin7203]

@@Raychristofer Thanks man, I really like your analog photography videos and I was considering buying a rolleicord, would you recommend it or maybe I should go with something different as my first medium format camera?

[@Raychristofer]

@@nicolasdemoulin7203 yes I definitely recommend that camera, check out keh.com as they test everything first. There are so many different medium formats it's a good idea to find one that suits you best. You can even spend less and get a yashica tlr. Because of the economic situation I've mostly been shooting 35 mm and I use my medium format cameras to shoot darkroom paper which is very interesting also. I hope to do a video about that at some point

[@nicolasdemoulin7203]

@@Raychristofer great! Thanks for the advice :-)

[@jinchoung]

nice colors but the results do seem a bit grainy. does it seem that it's grainier than the hot temperature process or is it the same?

[@ianbutler1983]

Ray, Great video as usual. Those colors are amazing. What scanner do you use? By the way, have you looked at the Film Photography Project website? They have a podcast every other week and they sell darkroom supplies and film on their website. I am not affiliated in any way, but their prices are good and I wold prefer to support this small venture devoted exclusively to film and the podcast. They have a C-41 kit for $30 that makes 1 liter. The kit on the link you posted is now $40, so it might be worth checking it out. Take care, Ian

[@Raychristofer]

Hello thank you Ian I appreciate that, yes I know FPP well Im subscribed to them. actually I got mine from freestyle photo and it sure is out of stock now. whatever works Ive bought several types. Im very curious if this time chart will work for all c41 chems because I dont see a difference.

[@Raychristofer]

I just realized I never answered your question, I use the Epson v600 with the factory software.

[@ianbutler1983]

@@Raychristofer Thanks. I just inherited the family photo collection and somehow seem to now be responsible for scanning a few hundred old photos for the family. The v600 seems to be the general favorite for that sort of thing.

[@jorgemtrevino]

The first time I used Cs41 I reasoned same as you... Wrong! a) You cannot mix half at a time. You have to mix the whole kit and then you can divide in halves, but... b) Did you know you can get over 40 yolls from a liter just by adding 2% to the base time? If you use the 3'30" base, it comes to about 10" per roll, or, if you do half liters that will be 20" per processed roll and dump before 20. Then you start afresh with the other half. Forget those accordion bottles, they suck air in. Use mason jars and take out the air with glass marbles. You won't let them in the window sill, rignt? (tip: keep them in the bathroom closet, or any other dark place) 😉

[@ManuelGuzmanPhotography]

Funny enough, im developing some Eastman Double X that I rated at 500. Soooo not only did I ignore the temp of my chemicals, but im also guessing on how long to keep it in development. Lol.

[@Raychristofer]

Don't worry about that Manuel, if you guess try to keep track of how long so you can duplicate it if it comes out perfect. I've been shooting paper negatives and the best ones turn out when I don't keep notes lol

[@ianbutler1983]

I think that film is what Spielberg shot Schindler's List on.

[@Raychristofer]

@@ianbutler1983 I hear about double x alot , I need to look into it .

[@b6983832]

Negatives developed in room temperature will never be even close to the industry standards. The colors will be very much off. That said, if you scan and edit digitally, it can be corrected in most cases. For darkroom printing, negatives developed this way can be a real pain in the ass. You can't fully compensate the lower temperature by increasing developing time, without affecting the color balance.

[@randallstewart1224]

I think it is safe to say that C=41 processed this way will be unprintable in a darkroom, i.e., RA--4 prints. C-41 film has three separate emulsions, one for each color. These emulsions are of different "speeds" and must be developed so that they each reach a target point of density, so that when printed, they combine to project a target color. If you go off that schedule, they do not reach their targets simultaneously. This also involves reaching target contest curves over a range of exposure densities. Abnormal contrast curves results in what are called crossovers. You can correct any one color deviation for a particular color, but in doing so, you throw off another color. In theory, with enough effort, in a digital environment, you can micro adjust the contrast curve of each color independent of all others to recover a proper overall color balance, but in practice it is difficult and frustrating, so rarely done in any serious way. In a darkroom, you lack such fine controls in the RA-4 process, so correction is impossible.

[@b6983832]

@@randallstewart1224 KZbin is full of videos, where the 20-somethings do every mistake imaginable when processing their films. They think it doesn't matter, or in the worst case, they don't even notice something being horribly wrong. The reason being most of the problems can be solved up to a point with digital posp production, and if expectations are low. they get what they want. Another question is why use good and expensive stocks like Portra for this kind of work. Of course, C-41 in room temperature is extreme, and we are not talking about small issues in color balance, but crossovers, and this is not an easy task to resolve - not even with digital workflow. As I'm printing RA-4 optically in my darkroom, I will stick to 37.8°C and 3:15, with Fuji chemistry for my films.