How to do a lunatic 1cc in Touhou main games (or any 1cc, actually)

The longer version of "git gud".
Also yay for Youmu best girl.
Dunno why this vid is 360p. Shouldn't be, but it do.

[@D00000T]

how to lunatic 1cc any game: 1. hate yourself 2. have a lot of time

[@DJruslan4ic]

3. Git gud

[@MrWeebs-gc2jj]

4.Pray to waifu

[@DJruslan4ic]

@@MrWeebs-gc2jj 5. Abuse the mechanic and get a lot of lives and bombs

[@MrWeebs-gc2jj]

@@DJruslan4ic what is mechanic? Im new to touhou

[@DJruslan4ic]

@@MrWeebs-gc2jj Each touhou game has a specific mechanic, that can give items or other effects. Examples are: Cherry and supernatural border (TH7), UFO (TH12), Seasons (TH16)

[@ZPS_STG]

"Ask me about any 1cc. Except UFO Lunatic" uhh... ask me instead i guess?

[@topnepCh.]

+1 for that. I guess I'd ask for help if I ever decide to make another push. I've watched some of your UFO vids in the past and it's simply awe-inspiring to see actual skill. UFO doesn't work with my approach because there are some fundamental differences. You only have 2 instead of 3 bombs per life. The power loss per life lost is huge and very noticable. There is a lot of randomness and catching UFOs additionally makes routing near impossible. Then there's the overall bullet difficulty, I struggle already in stage 2 while other games only start to ramp up at stage 3 or 4.

[@Psyk0h]

To be fair, not just a backseat gaming comment ZPS really did do it, props to you

[@Celebrancik]

I must admit that even UFO Hard 1cc is ridiculously difficult for me, even though I did a 1cc of most of the Windows era games, did EoSD Lunatic and LoLK Pointdevice Lunatic. Routing is difficult, Ichirin is an absolute killer, stage 4 is a mess, and don't get me started on 5 and Shou…yeah XD

[@ravins4786]

Why did zun make it so Fricking Hard

[@satyman08]

green UFO moment

[@PapitaPure]

I struggled so hard with UFO hard, I swear to god the day I finally beat it I screamed the fuck out of my soul. When I woke up that day I knew it was the day, I played for nearly 7 hours taking some 15 minutes breaks outside and finally made it.

[@xx4931xx]

For me, the main thing that's hard right now is the final spell. No matter how many hours I pour into it, I can't even beat the Normal Mode version of it, yet Easy is a piece of cake. I think the main fault I have is not being able to react to the openings fast enough (when it starts going to rage mode that is), yet most captures I see on KZbin has people doing the same tactics I use, except with ease, so it makes me feel very down about myself. I can't imagine doing lunatic...

[@totallyalpharius507]

For PoFV players: 1. Unlock Medicine Melancholy 2. Select Medicine Melancholy 3. Play Medicine Melancholy 4. ????? 5. Profit And that's the only Lunatic 2hu I'm ever likely going to 1cc.

[@satyman08]

also works with aya

[@DerpyNub]

“Don’t be a hero, become a bomberman” Sounds… funny

[@D20inDisguise]

A real diamond in the rough. I’m so happy I found this video!

[@omegaaklx303]

I see what you did. Poor brolli man...

[@IvanBaAl961]

My first Lunatic 1cc was Subterranean Animism and I reached stage 6 with 1 extra live and 0 power (by the way, Orin was not that bad). I think, resources are not to be overestimated, your will to fight is what matter the most.

[@autumnshinespark]

Distracted by I'm used to lunatic being pronounced luna-tic.

[@pierremodat721]

that's exactly what i didn't get. I can bombless hard most games, but i have trouble beating lunatic My incapacity to bomb aside, this guide is perfect. Simple quick and easy to understand, this is with no doubt clearly how to beat touhou lunatic. it's true that it's not that hard when you have clearly in mind the goal to 1cc, and with enough preparation and routing, anything becomes doable. If you want to clear every single spellcard, that's fine, but don't expect to 1cc in a matter of 2 to 3 years.

[@topnepCh.]

Don't feel bad, I'd trade all my lunatic 1cc's for the ability to dodge stuff instead of cheezing through the games. I'm not even close to no bomb one game on hard.

[@poledra4153]

@@topnepCh. Even when you get to do lunatic, you still feel like you aren't actually that good

[@stubbornviking8548]

I don't know anything about Touhou but I like the music I guess. Still, +1, your dedication to creating a quality video is noteworthy, and deserves more attention.

[@cutman3931]

touhou 4's lunatic mode doesn't ramp up it's difficulty much(there's still some extreme difficulty spikes)and it gives you MANY resources so it's the first touhou game I did a lunatic 1cc on

[@Interesting_Failure]

I'm basically doomed because the part I enjoy most about the game IS figuring out stuff on my own. Hopefully if I'm ever looking to extend beyond Normal I'll eventually get mad enough to start researching instead...

[@r-9aarrowhead829]

Do whatever is more fun to you!

[@ddd-op5wy]

Yeah, so figure out everything you can while 1cc-ing the game on Normal and Hard (since those allow for more mistakes and you're allowed to miss safespots, strategies for spellcards, etc). And then, after you've figured out basically everything there is that you could realistically understand, look up a clear. You will have missed some stuff and maybe you'll find out better strategies for some spellcards that you couldn't have figured out on your own.

[@poledra4153]

I did 16 lunatic by figuring things out. But i relied a lot on bombs and realises, i don't even feel like i can dodge anything or even have good routing from stage 4

[@guy_th18]

You're not doomed. Some hard-to-figure-out patterns might need to be automatic bombs for you, but for the rest, you can use a tool called thprac to practice sections and find your own route. That's what I did and I had a lot more fun that way.

[@BknMoonStudios]

This guide is also applicable to most other vertical and horizontal SHMUPs. It all comes down to practice, learning routes and patterns, remaining calm and not being afraid of using bombs.

[@thisrandomdude_]

fantastic video!! the video quality getting shafted like that sucks to see, but oh well. :>

[@ryful_z3]

7:58 I find this part is more important than the rest of the video. Nice guide tho

[@KazmirRunik]

Different people develop different systems, but we both arrived at parts of the game having difficulty spikes & dips to be aware of. I just separate them into parts to bomb and parts not to bomb, based on whether or not I can consistently dodge them. If I die on a part where I wasn't going to bomb (or if I die with several bombs), then I continue the run bombless until game over. It forces me to dodge the patterns that come after. This slowly expands the range of my bombless portions further into the game until I have enough resources to either scrape through or just bomb down the final bits of the game. It's also accidentally given me my first no-bomb runs.

[@garyzhang6130]

This advice works for all difficulties. I got my first easy 1cc, lmao.

[@Niko0902]

Apart from PoFV and the fighting games on Normal I never got a 1cc.

[@supergamehunter0539]

Could I get some clarification on how the hell PoFV works? I've beaten 6,7 and 8 on normal but I can't get wrap my head around how to manage the spell bar or whatever it's called and maximize it's use.

[@ddd-op5wy]

@@supergamehunter0539 3 months later, basically, only use level 2 and save it for bosses. Don't use level 1 spells, not worth, except if you're using a damage type like Marisa or Reisen, in which case only spam lvl 1s at lilys. That's it.

[@supergamehunter0539]

@@ddd-op5wy Yeah done it quite a while ago. On UFO now. Thanks anyways

[@poledra4153]

I don't install practice mod and i create my own routes, relying only sometimes to internet. But before lunatic i wouldn't use continues, so the first thing i learned was to eat my pride and use them to unlock stages. Also, i have only played 15-17 1cc lunatic started 18 but 17 is the easiest i've done(keiki costs two bombs at the last two spells if you've got enough skill to dodge the easiest parts). Tho if you route too intensly it can be a bad because of the spirits. Using bombs is probably the best skill of a lunatic player. I can say without shame that i beated LoLK by having never captured Junko's three lasts. I just had a so good run that i managed to get to her last attack with two lives and two bombs. With Marisa, you need three bombs to kill her without dodging from the moment the blue bullets comes in. Also, in lunatic, you can't no miss no bomb the two first stages. Even the first stage is impossible to do so sometimes. I had a routed bomb in stage one of 15 and i never passed stage two without dying Finally(this comment is just me saying what i think at the moment) half of the time i grind in lunatic i (feel like i) do nothing. I watch videos and read mangas. I'm not that much try hard on the short end. I can pass the day switching playing and doing nothing but i couldn't pass two hours playing straight. Also, i'm still at school, so i habe the time to brute force lunatic

[@poledra4153]

My rouing can be pretty poor sometimes. My plan for HSiFS was to don't die during the three first stages and then use my bombs to survive 'till the end. It was pretty rough.

[@otrotipoxd]

Thanks nep, is working

[@randreille6817]

What am I doing here? I'm still struggling to do IN Hard 1cc wwwww (Been attempting it for a month but from last month to yesterday my personal best only changed from Game Over at Salamander Shield to Game Over at Life Spring Infinity... and I use 6 starting lives)

[@jackkuart]

top nep nep nepu

[@natio4225]

why i'm watching this i'm still stuck at touhou eosd hard mode :S

[@lpfan4491]

Meanwhile I'm just happy that I beat Cirno in 6 and am too afraid to step into the ring again even a few years later.

[@ade5324]

im new to touhou and currently trying 1cc normal at th06 ):. i have a question about whatever you should use controller, or keyboard is okay?

[@topnepCh.]

Doesn't matter much on normal. But later on, when precise and rapid inputs are required, a keyboard works better, so better get used to it now.

[@ade5324]

@@topnepCh. tnx for reply :)

[@jendar8039]

Hey i have question that i cant seem to get an answer too. Do I play with my left or right hand on the arrow keys? If I play with my left hand I have better movement but it becomes uncomfortable after awhile. Which do you use? thanks :))

[@topnepCh.]

I'm using the standard input. Right hand on right arrow keys, left hand on shift, y/z, x. You can of course use some tool to remap your inputs, as you like.

[@jendar8039]

@@topnepCh. Thanks for the reply!

[@jaytakajeremiahtisdale2042]

I know this sounds pathetic but can you give me some tips for a touhou EOSD normal 1cc? I've tried several times with both Marisa and Reimu and can never make it past stage 4 5 and 6 with enough recourses for a high error margin, Or if I'm unlucky I end up failing right from the start or dying to Hong Meijing(god I hate that boss)

[@johnjoh2034]

If you havent succeeded yet, you can trivialize sakuya a bit by misdirecting some of her spellcards. Also use marisa B for her insane bomb. Otherwise bomb everything you aren't totally consistent with, and thprac can help alot with the 'git gud' part.

[@jaytakajeremiahtisdale2042]

@@johnjoh2034 kk I managed to 1cc normal which is good

[@dwiney4902]

that's cool, but i still take 3-5 hours for a normal 1cc so i'm not sure i'd reach that level soon lol

[@battleroyale123]

Have you 1cc'ed any TH games in lunatic till now? I'm asking because I want to have an idea on how long a lunatic 1cc will take

[@poledra4153]

@@battleroyale123 took me 2 intense weeks for my first but it was LoLK with Marisa 17 took me three relaxe days

[@R8Spike]

@@battleroyale123 my first (4) was like my first attempt but that was with slowdown and 6 lives Probably about a week of one run a day before default lunatic (turbo+ 3 lives) before I got it

[@Gamesational1]

nep nep

[@cyan6579]

Ooohh

[@eternaldreamerofsleep]

Wah I can’t even 1cc an easy mode, it seems like a lot of effort is needed to get good

[@EeoGamer137]

Play without a controller? I'm curious about this, I've gotten to the point where I'm very comfortable with a controller to the point where playing on a keyboard feels off. Could someone please elaborate?

[@topnepCh.]

It's about rapid inputs in various directions. With a keyboard, you have a finger on several directions, each giving inputs individually. With a controller, stick or crosspad, you can't give inputs at the same speed and precision. Some people did get gud with a controller tho, so if that's your stick (pun intended), go for it.

[@EeoGamer137]

​@@topnepCh. Ok, I can see that. Flicking the D-pad to move a the character a few pixels does take a lot of finesse. It's doable, though.

[@kikones34]

My issue is that I want the satisfaction of a good run, not just a 1cc. I'd rather spend more time grinding and improving my skills than bombing every other spell just to get through the run. Now don't get me wrong, it's a completely valid approach. But it's just not a way I can enjoy these games, which in a way, is quite the curse.

[@bigsmoke6637]

When i started touhou,i played lunatic as my first difficulty because the whole easy modo thing,i beat eosd lunatic on first attempt (not 1 cc). It's thanks to my childhood shmups games i guess

[@zugiii1086]

Are you german? Der Akzent kommt mir bekannt vor und mir gefallen deine Videos

[@topnepCh.]

Yup, aus'm Rheinland.

[@jason_man]

I have a serious question, do you play with a joystick or a keyboard

[@topnepCh.]

Keyboard. Rapid and precise inputs in various directions are better with arrow keys.

[@hinakagiyama3267]

clownpiece on lunatic? HELL nah

[@ssaamil]

Clownpiece's attacks are quite difficult but straightforward. if you can get them in normal you can get them in lunatic.

[@technovillain9074]

what touhou game is this and were can i get it?

[@xora9823]

legacy of lunatic kingdom, touhou 15

[@Alexs23743]

1cc is extremely slow. Why would you ever use 1cc? ...Wait. This isn't a Mario Kart video! ;D

[@lemonov3031]

Why using a controller is bad? ZUN uses one.

[@topnepCh.]

With a controller, you're doing the direction inputs with one finger. With a keyboard, you have three fingers on the arrows. More fingers are better for fast inputs in various directions and buttons are better than a d-pad or a stick for rapid inputs. You can play good with a controller, it's just harder.

[@pokemonkarma]

0:04 Ok but this spell really is a joke in Lunatic

[@Tohorazen]

'dont play stretch res' 'dont play controller' me, who uses stretch res and plays on controller (its all good though, im close to lunatic 1ccing LoLK)

[@flonnefallenangel]

"dont use controller" ..... wait what? XD i feel i play a lot better with controller.... i like to move freely to any direction and not being tied to the direction pad

[@topnepCh.]

Imagine playing a piano with one finger. When you have to do fast and precise inputs in various directions, having multiple fingers right above the activation point of the direction arrows is better than only utilizing one finger that has to move on a pad or stick.

[@victorpedrosoceolin3919]

I to use a controler, feel good to play using it

[@wlwrm]

@@topnepCh. that doesn't make sense at all: most of the players in the west use a keybard while most of the players in japan prefer controllers or even a stick; even Zun itself is seen playing his own games with a controller. I find myself having more reflexes and movement precision with a stick, and I can make 1cc on lunatic easily, just do not forget these games were made with an arcade controller in mind, and they are also incredibly fun to play with it. Playing a videogame is not the same thing as playing a piano (using a stick takes the use of your wrist, no fingers at all) and being comfortable is more essential than anything else.

[@gaver_x5874]

How do I lock in while playing Touhou games? I often find myself not being able to clearly recognize what's happening on the screen at the moment and it's really annoying, please help.

[@mechaliz495]

I've got Lunatics 1cc with a logitech F310, a good dpad can be better than any keyboard

[@Name2507B]

U German

[@topnepCh.]

Yes I am *insert jojo meme

[@literally.nobody]

Great video, but the way you pronounce lunatic causes me extreme pain.

[@ThisIsActuallyJiji]

basically how to beat SA on easy mode if you have my skills (/srs)