How to do ADVANCE Forehand TOPSPIN / LOOP | Table Tennis / Ping Pong | Learn & Master winning points

[@thebunkreport]

I'm a beginner and I have to tell you that you have quickly become my favorite online table tennis coach. I only wish I lived in Dublin because I would join your club!

[@dublintabletennisclub]

Thank you for your words 😊 I’m really happy to hear my coaching can transfer into videos. It’s a lot harder to be a Coach on a video than I thought 😅 Start of 2022 I will set up various coaching programs via this channel if you want to join :) from the little things like reviewing a player’s technique to becoming their online coach on regular bases. Preparing training plans and reviewing the progress daily / weekly :) You can get in touch with me [e-mail] and we talk about your progress now or ask me any questions about your game :)

[@장덕원-m6h]

Me 2 .. thought so too !!

[@suhartoyowijoyo1210]

Absolutely agree

[@TimSwensen]

Eddy, I like your clear, direct teaching style. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

[@dublintabletennisclub]

Thanks Tim :) I hope to balance my work so I can get back into the KZbin scene!

[@pongbotstore]

Incredible tutorial on the forehand topspin! The step-by-step breakdown makes it so much easier to understand and apply. Thanks for these winning tips!

[@dublintabletennisclub]

I am glad you liked it :) I was worried I talked too much in the video, which I probably did to some extent haha

[@Ba_Thao_Experience]

Thanks for sharing your knowledge. I'm practicing it daily.

[@dublintabletennisclub]

Thanks for the comment and good luck in your training! More videos to come!! I am doing a LIVE Q&A tomorrow (Thursday) from 4:20pm Irish / UK time. Let me know if you have any questions / suggestions for me!! I’ll have a table set up so I can even demonstrate / answer TT questions :)

[@ChristianRouLund]

Thanks for sharing this amazing video 💪💪 You are excellent to explain and showing how-to...🙏🙏

[@dublintabletennisclub]

Thanks for the comment :) I am beyond excited to hear that you had benefits for it!! Moments like these is why I am so happy to do KZbin even for 1 person to gain something from it!

[@ChristianRouLund]

Thanks again for sharing these great tips👍It helps me a lot!!

[@dublintabletennisclub]

Thanks for leaving a comment Chris :) I am going be uploading less than 14 days from this comment. Hope you enjoy the videos :)

[@gatotjabarudin1379]

thanks sir, your good coaching videos

[@dublintabletennisclub]

Thank you 😊

[@ItamarGlikman]

Amazing and helpful as always!

[@dublintabletennisclub]

Best of luck in training and get in touch if you need a coach :)

[@ItamarGlikman]

@@dublintabletennisclub I have a coach but not 24/7. Again, thank you

[@tuancao35]

Great video mate, subscribed, great tutorial, thank you, from Australia

[@dublintabletennisclub]

Thanks :) Awesome to know you enjoyed it!! Hope you enjoy the channel for future videos and let me know if you have any tt questions :)

[@vishaldabhi6055]

Amazing tutorial 🙌

[@cldavis33]

Coach Eddie - I have learned so much from your tutorials. I have one huge key question for you on this technique. For a normal intermediate to slightly advanced player - exactly where is the contact point on average in front of your body? This is a key before I work on training sessions ingraining the muscle memory. THANK YOU COACH EDDIE!

[@dublintabletennisclub]

Hey Davis :) Thanks for leaving me all these comments. Honestly makes me happy to see you enjoy my coaching style. In regards to your question, best way to think of it including the short game of chops / flicks is to contact the ball in front of your toes haha Just see and analyze that your foot / toes are always more in front that your body. Due to our way of standing in this sport so when you contact "in front of you", you almost always would hit in front of your shoes or just on them, but never closer than the laces. Always front of your toes / shoes :) Hope that helps!!

[@cldavis33]

@@dublintabletennisclub That helps tremendously. I played competitive tennis over 25 yrs, these small details have a huge impact later after ingraining the stroke mechanics and timing. So this answers my question exactly! I am quite good at hitting the forehand late into my body, but that doesn't make it right LOL.

[@francodejj]

Another great tutorial. Coach Eddie, how long would U say it can take a low intermediate player (myself 🙂) to get proficient at this technique?.....hours/days/weeks/months?

[@dublintabletennisclub]

Thanks for your words :) It all depends on how patient you can stick to your basics and grow your confidence that. Then use multi balls and match training drills to bring it live. I have kids who start on ground zero and with training twice a week on average they would be able to use it well in a competitive match within 3 months or so!

[@richmondkro]

Your stroke biomechanics looks good. It's looks very simple and easy but that chinese stroke is very hard to change into especially if you already got used to the typical chicken wing forehand.

[@dublintabletennisclub]

SPOT ON!!! Purely on the table approach to re-train is pointless and I have never succeeded to do it for a player. The best way to do it was OFF the table with dumbbell weights of 2-5kg. Use it as that for Forehand shadow practice. Make new habits and train your brain for it. Muscle memory will help go along way and you can do it without even going to the table :)

[@idrivearttabletennis]

Another great video. Now time to practice. We're slowing re-opening things here in the States. Hope you can open up safely soon.

[@dublintabletennisclub]

I’m sure you will get this technique going in no time!! And yeah me too, we should be open for the new season in September, but I want to already during the summer as it will take also more time to click back into the rhythm and rebuilding internally

[@idrivearttabletennis]

@@dublintabletennisclub Yes. Although there are more opportunities to play here, the number of players willing to come back and play remains low so far.

[@dublintabletennisclub]

Yeah and I’m afraid that I’ll have the same issue. I do get people asking for info, but who knows if they stick to the club or not. Next competition for you is soon?

[@idrivearttabletennis]

@@dublintabletennisclub Yes - this Sunday. For me it will about 6-8 matches most likely.

[@dublintabletennisclub]

That’s great, how you feeling about them? Do you have a final training session before it happens? Always welcome to send me a video so I can see your form and advise :) always open to it

[@matejweiss896]

Great tutorial and nice explamation. I will try... Regards from sLOVEnia

[@dublintabletennisclub]

Thank you for your words 🙏 Ever visit Ireland get in touch :)

[@zazenforever4940]

Could you possibly make a video about the European forehand loop, such as like Vladamir Samsanov? How does he do his which contrasts a great deal from the Chinese technique or what you describe here. Thanks.

[@dublintabletennisclub]

AHH I love Samsanov style!! The basic difference is the hip sharpness between the two. Chinese really really focus on that especially in the backhand attacks!

[@nguyenanhquynh7322]

great as always, thanks! however, at minute 2, you said that it is good to stay as low as possible, but i cannot catch what you really said: eyes, net and xxx? the question is: how to know much low is enough? maybe when eyes, net and the white line of the other court on the same line?

[@dublintabletennisclub]

Ah my bad Yeah I was saying stay low at the table. Eye contact level to net and watch your ball. That way you can best predict the length and placement of the ball. It helps your react and get into your own position of footwork and times you well with connecting your racket at the highest peak of the ball :) I hope that makes sense 😅🙂

[@nguyenanhquynh7322]

@@dublintabletennisclub ah i see. the audio at that part is a bit hard to get. understood now, but i think eyes at the net level is really too low. maybe eyes, net and the white line of the other end on the same line is better?

[@dublintabletennisclub]

I think that would be more on preference :) I’m 6’3 so keeping my self low to POV of the white part of the net helps me best to see and understand any ball. After that my body reacts faster than I think and I trust my technique after that :)

[@nguyenanhquynh7322]

@@dublintabletennisclub got it. I understand that you try to keep the same height not just for FH loop, but thru the game. The only exception is smashing, where it is better to stand up to generate maximum power.

[@dublintabletennisclub]

For sure :) and any ball that’s kinda high ish like a middle to the table of a chop from the bell. At times it’s easier to be lil higher than usual and just punch it with power and end the rally. You’re spot on :)

[@stefanreuter9626]

Great tut👍

[@mahfuzulamin2185]

Great video and demonstration Eddy! How to play a quality forehand topspin against left hander's long pendulum serve (both side & back and side & top) that exit's through the side or corner of the table? What would be the strategy to play a positive stroke for the same serve but when it is short? It would great if you can make a tutorial with all those variations. Thanks.

[@dublintabletennisclub]

Yeah that’s a great idea 💡 I will definitely do a special video on that!! Have the robot now so it will be much easier :)

[@mahfuzulamin2185]

Thanks mate! Looking forward to it!

[@mahfuzulamin2185]

Hey Eddy, It looks like you got a Newgy robot. How is your experience with it so far? Is it worth to buy an used robot? Someone is selling a Newgy Robo-pong 2050 but I am not sure as the price is around AUD 1k. Thanks in advance for you help. :)

[@dublintabletennisclub]

Yeah I have the 2050 version too. Like quick fast response for sure get it and worth it. So 1k is about €650. I have had mine for 8-9 years, but I have replaced the parts a year ago which would most like break the robot I so wouldn’t sell mine for no lower than 500€ The biggest issue is that the head part where the ball comes out. Has this “lip” inside of it which makes the robot head to move side to side. That is the only thing that breaks on me from time to time. Cheap enough part to order, but point is it breaks. It becomes unloose and or snaps all together. Robot would still work in a single direction, but it’s benefits are the fact it can put the ball any position within the same drill training session. Whatever you do ask them how long have they had it and if they had to replace anything. If they say no ask them again about the head part of the robot and even open it up to see what’s inside. If their robot is about 3-5 years old and they don’t use it like every day then I would believe they haven’t had any damage yet, but anything over that I wouldn’t believe it.

[@mahfuzulamin2185]

Thanks for the details Eddy! That gives me an idea about this's models age and price. I will try to get it.

[@ultraparadoxical7610]

Great one

[@dublintabletennisclub]

Thanks!! let me know how your progress goes in your training 😊

[@acrameshdpi]

Timoboll and other pro players squez the fingers while contacting the ball. Chinese coaches suggest to sequez the fingers in all most all variety of shots.

[@dublintabletennisclub]

Yeah I should of mentioned that. Gives an extra kick of speed. Not much in control at time, but definitely an extra kick

[@acrameshdpi]

Thank you for your response to doubt. All your videos are really helpful.

[@dublintabletennisclub]

Happy to hear and always want to hear any ideas for future videos so let me know :)

[@tonycorazonoficial8692]

Thenks werry much.

[@dublintabletennisclub]

Sure thing!! Hope you learn and improve fast!!

[@farzadlevin5327]

What should be the racket angle?

[@dublintabletennisclub]

It kinda depends on the height of the ball coming at you + including the spin coming at you So if it’s slow and spiny then drop your arm more lower on the side of the body rather than back of your body. And open your racket like 11/12 o’clock (all open) so you can counter it If the ball has less spin / spin you think your sharp follow through be enough to counter then you can the normal ish closed as a standard technique. That will also depend on your own physical ability too of how much angle you need as the rotation and sharp follow through does most of the work. The angle just “helps” the ball to be countered

[@yunghanhuang8188]

can u teach us top spin serve that jumps high to face to surprise

[@dublintabletennisclub]

Yeah there is a serve that can deceive an opponent when they think they can chop it :)

[@helgemueller232]

Hi, thanks for your good coaching videos. I have been following for a couple of weeks now and just also subscribed due to the consistently good content. I have a question for my improvement. I am said to have a good topspin forehand (very amateur though) but getting into topspin ralleys I always seem to either run out of puff or time to get into position for the next shot, so after the second or third ball that’s me making a mistake. Any tips of how to stay in the rally longer or more economic? Thanks

[@dublintabletennisclub]

Thank you Helge for taking your time writing your comment :) I really appreciate your kind words :) So if you have timing issues and consistency of topspins in games, besides focusing on training them with multi-ball sessions. The safest and easiest way what you could do is called a Forehand or Backhand block :) (Unfortunately I haven't yet filmed this tutorial, but I will) The block is a smart way to react when you receive a topspin from your opponent when you least expected. Blocking the ball is a defensive smart tactic where not only you give a response that your opponent has to deal with, but it also creates time for you to quickly jump into the correct position to counter his follow up shot. When you get better you will be able to control the block in certain positions to expose the open areas of table against him. But yeah, block the ball if you getting tired or if you're out of position and can't react aggressive back. You can do even 2-3 blocks in a single rally and hope your opponent will make the mistake as it takes certain skill to counter a block tbh. However, do not stick to as it go to tactic as you will start to play to defensive you know. Use it smartly when needed for yourself :) Hope you get me and I know it will work :)

[@helgemueller232]

Thanks, much appreciated … I do use blocks esp when our young and keen players fire shots at me that are clearly out of my league to counter. I was more looking for some tips to rationalize the stroke and solutions to be back in position quicker. Eg st the moment I am trying not too look at my played ball and the result of it but to already move into position again, but this is hard when you are used that your first attack finishes the point and if it comes back it’s point for the opponent. You see I started playing Table tennis when the smaller balls made that statement more true than today. Restarting needs adjustment… Thanks you for your time though and I will be sure to watch out for your next video…

[@dublintabletennisclub]

I see yes. The game has evolved a lot since the ball change. Have you tried to grip / hold it lil bit harder your racket so the overall quality of your shot / block would be more effective on the ball too? With better quality of the ball your rallies would be shorter and you would get less tired / less need to counter it as the point would be won by then :)

[@helgemueller232]

@@dublintabletennisclub thanks again, but I am trying to squeeze out the last couple of milliseconds out of my technique to be in a better position for longer rallies. Most of the players in my small town hobby club don’t even get the spin I am doing now, I want to help the young players along with offering them longer rallies of top spin, but for that I need to get into position quicker… hmm I might have to train harder 😂. Again thanks for your help

[@TP-mp5lk]

@@helgemueller232 Moin, Helge. I had the same problem (a good first topspin - learned in the 80s - and not enough time for a follow up). I took a lesson from a professional trainer (A-Lizenz-Inhaber) recently and he showed me that I need to shorten my swing. For the first topspin you can (but you don't need to) swing back the racket as much as Eddy does here. The trainer told me to keep it at the level of the table even for the first topspin (and it works!). For the follow up keep your racket above the level of the table and don't swing back (or only a little bit). The higher the speed of the returning ball the shorter your backswing!

[@Arsalanfadakar]

thank's a lot

[@dublintabletennisclub]

Thanks for your comment :) I am doing a LIVE Q&A tomorrow (Thursday) from 4:20pm Irish / UK time. Let me know if you have any questions / suggestions for me!! I’ll have a table set up so I can even demonstrate / answer TT questions :)

[@rohitchauhan1076]

A. What is the timing of hitting the ball? At the peak? Or slightly after peak on the decline? B. Ball contact. Top of the ball? Or Side of the ball (the side facing you)?

[@dublintabletennisclub]

Thanks for your comment!! :) a.)Timing is more to in balance with peak of the ball AND the ball being in front of you. -NOW if both can't happen due to whatever reason: opt1.) - Coaches would favorite the idea to hit peak of the ball, but there are some including me where I would prefer to hit in front of you. Because the ball at its peak could be side of your body or worse behind so footwork could let you down and the quality of the ball is poorer. More times than not the quality of the return fails and opponent ends the rally in next shot. opt2) - But, if you take it in front of you meaning the peak is gone and balls keep dropping. You will have a harder time to return rather than waiting for peak, BUT honestly then the ball will have more spin as you will need to forget about speed and just carry the ball over the net. So extra spin on the ball which then makes the ball bounce shorter to the opponents table and lower in height. Making the opponent for sure out of balance if they stayed in the same spot, but also harder to counter. That their best option is to block which then gives you a chance to end the shot next turn. B.) Advance level you need top of the ball meaning your peak and ball in front of you is in perfect balance of timing. Side (ball facing you) is more needed IF you missed the peak so put THE EXTRA spin that you need to carry the ball over the net. Which also is the tip for Beginners as it has better consistency when practicing giving players experience and confidence to use in matches. Hope this helps :)

[@abdullahidadamagaji615]

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[@dublintabletennisclub]

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[@drg.muh.danish9484]

Its only for 45 degree ball.. try 30 degree ball

[@dublintabletennisclub]

Yeah it really depends also on the persons physical ability :) Are you currently playing yourself?

[@ValtheMatedor]

I noticed that Chinese players arms are fully extended at contact? Must I do that too?

[@dublintabletennisclub]

Yeah they are REALLY emphasizing on the counter spin and to be able to control the balls momentum. For you no not the main priority because before that the CONTACT of it is the hardest part. Practice the swing, contact and timing of it even if the ball is slow and high. Then start to add a bit more upper body swing, weight transfer and sharper follow through :)

[@ValtheMatedor]

@@dublintabletennisclub thank you

[@ValtheMatedor]

@@dublintabletennisclub could you create a video on how to powerloop against backspin with forehand and backhand

[@dublintabletennisclub]

@@ValtheMatedor I have done a video on both :) Check my channel videos and you should see it!

[@ValtheMatedor]

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[@janosch7210]

shouldnt you close your racket angle more?

[@dublintabletennisclub]

It all depends on your physical abilities and equipment :) There are so many key aspects to this shot in terms of quality and more important in consistency Let me know how your development goes along :)

[@janosch7210]

@@dublintabletennisclub my physical abilities are - for a amateur level tabletennis player, playing in swiss 4th and 3rd league - topnotch. I did 7 years of muaythai and was a semi proffesional in my 20ths. Now im 33, but still physically very fit. My development goes pretty fast, i'd say, since i'm used to soak up everything i get to know in the sport im doing, pretty fast. I have a highly competitive thrive and a quick mind to work myself through it. Further, the more i play tabletennis, the more i get diciplined and willing to 'test my limits'. Thats why i'm asking, If you open a rally, i can see why you're teaching the topsping like this. Its quite save, you have time while letting the ball drop to this position, and you can execute the stroke from there with a relative high control. But if you wanna risk more, to produce a shot harder to return for your opponent, then i think the racket angle can be closed much more?

[@abdullahidadamagaji615]

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[@dublintabletennisclub]

Yeah I can ship it there :)

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[@dublintabletennisclub]

Thank you 😊 🙏

[@zizo015]

What he is doing with the racket hand and right leg doesn't look good!

[@dublintabletennisclub]

What you mean? Which part? 🤔🙂

[@zizo015]

@@dublintabletennisclub from what I see your ellbow ist too far away from the body and also I can't see any rotation of the legs/feet, also can not see you shifting weight back and forth..only feeling it is not enough..when you put weight on your right leg and rotate your left leg should normally be almost stretched oder at least you should be on your toes ony left leg because of the weight transfer to the right leg.. Extremely important points. All my opinion