Master the Forehand Loop- Table Tennis Tutorial [Subtitles Available]

[@Andrespiritus]

This is the only tutorial on KZbin that actually explains what to do with your feet and legs. Every other tutorial I’ve come across is vague in their explanations of the footwork. Thank you so much.

[@andreasmayr5876]

I am a Table Tennis trainer in Germany, and i must say this is one of the best Video tutorials i have seen. Only thing you forgot to explain is the importance of the Ellbow snap. You do it in your Video, but dont talk about.

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

I often watch these videos and realize key points that I missed but this one was very important. Thank you so much. This was a project that I created out of quarantine and hope to make improved videos once I have access to facilities again. I will be sure to talk about the elbow snap in version 2.0! Nice to meet you!

[@andreasmayr5876]

@@Technical.Table.Tennis You re Welcome, Good Job, i Know how much work it takes to create only 6 minutes Video

[@bookoflists]

@@Technical.Table.Tennis you had a table tennis table with you in quarantine? Nice work!

[@jonathanpatrick9373]

This is the best explanation of the forehand technique on YT, this guide helped me immensely. If you're ever wanting more content ideas: I've been looking for a video about the ideal forehand and backhand grips for shakehand. I notice my paddle face angle tends to open up during points and that I also have trouble switching between forehand and backhand during intense rallies so I end up chopping or poorly blocking, and it's causing me tons of problems during competition lol.

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

Thank you Jonathan. I appreciate that you can state your areas of opportunity. This is a common problem. You have to consciously control your paddle angle in practice. As for the forehand to backhand transition, a good drill is to have start BH to BH topspin with a partner and then they randomly block to your FH. You of course continue to spin to their BH side. Doing this in practice with control will translate to your gameplay

[@geoffraiki1]

Best and simplest TT Tutorials on KZbin thanks man.

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

Glad it helped!

[@stevejameson9324]

I stopped playing table tennis for over 15 years ago, just recently bought a butterfly robot to practice my stroke mechanics on the forehand loop against back spin, this is one of the best tutorials videos I’ve come across, so thank you for taking the time to produce this. If you was local to me, I would hire you for some coaching to develop my forehand top spin!

[@Daniel-qs6te]

Simply superb.

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

Thank you, and so are you!

[@MrSerdarparmeza]

Amazing tutorial and high quality content. Thank you! Hope your channel gets bigger soon

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

I appreciate that. Nice to meet you!

[@fr3dr1k77]

WOW🎉🎉🎉 This must be The best toturial I have seen!!!! Great work😊

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

Wow thank you very much!

[@shubhamv2109]

This is the best video on forehand loop....great technique.....best explanation of the technique....

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

Hi Shubham. Thank you. I am glad you liked it.

[@grahammackenzie8778]

I want to thank you very much for putting this on YT!! I have watched a lot of FH loop tutorial videos, and yours is the only one that I have found that talks about how to conceptualize and execute the dropping of the left leg. It made such a huge and immediate difference in my FH loop that I was shocked!! Great video overall and I look forward to checking out more of yours.

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

Thank you Graham. When I made this channel I always had questions that were never answered in other tutorials. These videos are a product of those unanswered questions and my own trial and error. More to come!

[@mauradawes4456]

Nice! so helpful, great detailed breakdown of stance and trajectory. I also appreciate your priorities with the table location in your home!!!

[@pohhocktan3184]

Very clear and concise tutorial

[@simsey33]

At 2:35 you say start the swing just behind the knee but at 2:58 you demonstrate the technique several times where you drop the racket much further and start the swing behind your butt. Is that too long a stroke? Should you be dropping it less and actually starting at the knee?

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

Yes, do as I say, not as I do lol. I made this video 4 years ago and my technique has changed quite a bit, but what I say still holds true. Great observation!

[@timoernst]

I hate to repeat what’s been said earlier in the comments but really want to emphasize that this is probably the best video explaining the forehand topspin going into all the important details like the collapsing movement of the left leg or the elbow distance differences which are things almost always missing in other tutorials 🙂👍 Definitely subscribed

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

Thank you so much. Hope to hear about your progress in table tennis my friend!

[@wmbassyouni]

This is exactly what I was looking for, a clear explanation on how to execute this challenging shot! I was probably doing it 70% incorrectly. Will incoporate those tips in my next practice session.

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

My pleasure. I hope it helps. Feel free to reach out if you need any other advice!

[@user-xx1gq7nr9o]

I Find it extremely difficult to execute this shot, every time I try to follow the racket up until eye level the ball goes far away, so I try to keep the swing until chest-neck level so I can control the ball but ai feel like this is not the right swing for Fh tp, any ideas?

[@hangkebun4965]

I watch your tutorial yesterday and applied in my game.. Wow very amazing result.. . Tqvm bro

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

Hang, I am very pleased to hear this. I hope to make more videos soon. I am excited for your progress.

[@emadavazpour3358]

Fantastic training and demonstration.. Thank you so much.

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

So happy you enjoyed it. It's a sincere pleasure being able to help

[@Eugenpopa]

Great video Jin! Thank you! It is the first time I see a video where I can get clear explanation on body swing, position and movement! Excellent! Of course, I subscribed!

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

Thank you Eugen! Be sure to let me know if you have any trouble. I’d love to help!

[@bobwelshon979]

I watched 5 seconds of your video, stopped, then read all the comments of how great this video is. I wish I could have watched the rest, but the audio was keeping me from moving on with this video. Audio really matters, and would have made this video so much better, and in my case, watchable.

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

Bob, I see you're musician or sound engineer of sorts? Thank you for your input. I recently purchased wireless lavalier mics that I did a ton of research on. I plan to start this channel back up with better audio. It's been 3 years since my last post so hopefully my comeback is crystal clear

[@Ba_Thao_Experience]

This technique is crucial for table tennis. By mastering it, we can learn other skills more easily. Thanks for your sharing.

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

You betcha. Love seeing your TT journey by the way!

[@rokQI]

thanks for the video! been really hard trying to find table tennis videos with such detail on the biomechanic side of things!

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

It was nearly impossible when I started playing. I am glad to help!

[@keithherrington3410]

I totally agree with previous comment - this video also had a major effect on my play. Superb!

[@BruceWangInvest]

Great breakdown

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

Thanks Bruce!

[@ejikethankgod4152]

Very descriptive.. I’ll try later to see possible improvement on my forehand loop

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

How's that forehand loop?

[@azdin66]

I just found you on youtube, and I started watching your videos ❤️❤️❤️ , i really love your explanation , great job JJ. I'm glad I found you, and you just earned a new subscriber.

[@ercanonge527]

i like the way you show it. easy to understand

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

I appreciate it very much!

[@EricWainainaMusic]

Good stuff Jin. Watching you in Kenya.

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

Eric, thank you! Peace be with you friend.

[@ElderHiker]

Outstanding. I would rather hit a backhand loop because I have very low accuracy (actually, its almost luck when I am successful) and now I know why. Its the leg/knee/hip action that you describe as key and it is missing in my attempts to execute a forehand loop. I can't wait to try this out. Thanks a million.

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

I love to hear this. You’ll gain more consistency because your legs will make a large amount of the stroke happen. Once you get the leg part down, the arm doesn’t have to work as much.

[@timchan5947]

Well organised and we'll presented . Found helpful . Thanks

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

Thanks Tim. I am glad to help!

[@arindamgupta3174]

Thank you! Very well presented.

[@qqandrew7313]

JUST GREAT， PRO action! Like Malong

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

Andrew, thank you for watching. Best wishes- Jin Jeon

[@natesr5373]

Amazing work. 5 stars ⭐️ trainer

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

Thank you. 5 stars to you for watching and improving

[@GregSkalowski]

👍 thanx! very clear explenation!

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

You are welcome!

[@gududay]

Hi JJ Thanks for your quick reply... My question was more about starting from 6 o clock than 3 o clock...If you imagine a clock and our neutral position is 12 o clock... Will it improve consistency..? With regard to opening up...I was suggesting the racket angle...45 degree...Or more opened up?

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

My pleasure. Shorter strokes always improve consistency. The longer swing will decrease consistency and increase power. I would only open the bat angle more than 45 degrees to loop a very heavy under spin ball.

[@saishvi1]

Nice tutorial

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@wiegehts50]

Awesome video! Just what I needed to see. Thx

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

Glad it helped!

[@gududay]

Great video.. But I have had tutorials which say to bring the hand from behind rather than close to the knee.. whats the difference.. Also on the angle...There were instruction to open up a bit.

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

Hi Udaya! Thanks for watching and thanks for the question. Starting by the knee vs. starting from behind is often just a difference in style. That said, starting from close to the knee is a BIG swing and should be done when you are far off of the table because you have more time before the ball reaches you. It’s also more of a true loop. Starting your swing higher and from behind you is more of a true drive. As for “opening up” I am not quite sure what you mean by that.

[@josephtanaya]

Hi thanks for the helpful content! mind asking whats the name of the pingpong robot machine and where to buy it? Thanks!

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

Of course. It's an iPong Trainer Pro. You can get it on megaspin.com or on Amazon I believe.

[@polopinojoe]

This is very good explanation of a quality forehand loop. I'm having issues relaxing my shoulder and arm during stroke, any tips?

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

Hello Joseph. Thank you for your question. I am glad you brought this up. Does your should get tired or sore? If so, you are probably relying on your arm to generate 80% of the power which is the opposite of what what I want you to do. Have you ever seen someone pretend they have rubber arms? They can twist their upper body and their arms are so loose that they appear to be boneless lol. I want you to focus on keeping a slight bend in your elbow while remaining that loose in your upper body. Let your arm follow your hips as they turn backwards and then snap your hips forward allowing your arm to follow. As your arm moves forward with your hips, start the trajectory of your bat to meet the ball and lightly snap your elbow right before hitting the ball. 80% of your power should actually come from your hips, and 20% should come from snapping your elbow right before you hit the ball. When you see players ending their stroke at their eyebrows, it is often thought that they are using shoulder muscles to get it there, but the true technique is allowing your loose arm to follow your hips and snapping your elbow. The elbow snap is actually what brings the bat up to your eyebrow. Happy playing!

[@polopinojoe]

@@Technical.Table.Tennis thank you for replying! I've tried keeping my upper body loose and using my legs for power mostly, it has definitely made a difference. I think I get stiff and nervous sometimes while playing, thanks again.

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

I am so happy to hear about the progress. Keep on working on it. Practice makes improvement.

[@yohan7782]

Thank you great explanation!

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you Yohan!

[@keerthyraja8301]

Hey! Its an amazing video, could you show ur bat angle while contacting the ball and ur wrist

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

Hi Keerthy. As I continue to improve just like all of you, I may update my videos in the future to show more detail about the bat angle. Maybe slow motion video from the side would help?

[@keerthyraja8301]

@@Technical.Table.Tennis yes it helps. Also one more suggestion is as a interm player i miss shoulder height balls often.. Not knowing whether to topspin or smash. Any tips would help many players

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

@@keerthyraja8301 Great question and it is a problem that still challenges me as well =). The best thing to do is to come over the top of the ball with a heavy forehand brush. This may require you to wait an extra second for the ball to drop slightly lower, or make contact with the ball before it rises too high.

[@keerthyraja8301]

@@Technical.Table.Tennis Thanks for the tip Pal, will try it out today

[@hadipurnomo6110]

Thank so much.goog intruction.

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

Thank you Hadi.

[@martinrodriguez7965]

Muy interesante este tutorial. Me encantó.

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

Thank you Martin

[@dubsbarry9963]

Really good tips TY

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

Glad it was helpful!

[@vitaeworld874]

Thank you coach love you tonnes & tonnes

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

You're so welcome! I love you too! Thank you for watching. =)

[@babyboi_official9314]

Amazing tutorials. I'm hoping it affects me positively 🙏

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

I hope so too! Thanks for watching! Much love!

[@ArthurBabakhanov]

Thank you great help

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

You are most welcome!

[@krishnad9847]

Great Video. What is the device you have used.

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

Thanks Krishna! Do you mean my camera?

[@doniyusdinar]

great explanation!

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

Thanks Doni!

[@Jojomanipol]

Now I understand clearly👍🏻

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

I am so happy to hear it! Thank you for watching.

[@z0uLess]

I have focused a lot on getting the right forehand loop technique. The problem now is getting into position and managing to execute the stroke in time in match situations. Also, the inside of my patellar tendon on my left leg often gets inflamed when it is catching the weight of my body while I am rotating my left leg. My left hip also gets more stiff ... it simply generates more friction into the knee and I have to be super careful with my contact to the ground with my left foot so that I dont twist my knee too much.

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

Sorry to hear about the injury. Try to jump less and slide more for your footwork. Best wishes

[@z0uLess]

@@Technical.Table.Tennis hehe, now you reply. youtube is such a special medium. Ive been through a year of recovery-type or injury prevention training and my left knee is doing ok ... I am just much much stronger in the legs now.

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

This is Jin. I actually feel your pain. I'm in my mid 30's now lol

[@z0uLess]

@@Technical.Table.Tennis Yea, I just accept the pain and deny its significance :P ... we will see what form table tennis will take for me. I still enjoy the creative part of it and figuring out how to beat my opponent ... maybe I will switch to playing with antispin or some other unorthodox style where I can stay close to the table, twiddle my racket and generally confuse my opponent rather than relying on speed and the general quality of power. I've even seen veteran players at a prettu good level slow down the game by basically only lobbing and specializing on this. One thing I probably should not do is try to play with chinese rubber on forehand again. I did this for four months as a beginner and it requires so much from your body. The style of Manika Batra is something I believe an athletic male can do well into his 60's

[@MrKonstantin37]

thank you!!! this is a very useful video!!!!!!

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

Nice to meet you. Thanks for the kind words. Cheers!

[@giftmeblackpinklightstickp8275]

Thank you man best tutorial

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

My pleasure. Thanks for taking time to leave your thoughts =).

[@tommyreyes7033]

Good job

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

Thank you so much. I hope you continue to improve and love the game

[@mrmf4712]

Would you be so kind and review the robot? Is it good enough, what features are missing in your opinion?

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

Hi Marek! Personally I would not recommend it. It cannot vary spins and depths simultaneously. This makes training unrealistic. If you absolutely need a robot for less than $200 USD then it is the best option. Otherwise I would save for a programmable robot.

[@vishaldabhi6055]

Great ☺️ sir

[@WhiteKnightPoet]

Jin, what are the approximate BAT ANGLES and ARM MOVEMENT ANGLES that you use for your OPENING LOOP against HEAVY BACKSPIN? And how do these angles compare to the BAT ANGLES and ARM MOVEMENT ANGLES you use for your COUNTER-LOOPS against HEAVY TOPSPIN?

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

Hello! If I can make a suggestion, start with your bat face open (vertical, not facing down). Test out the loops against the type of spin you are having trouble with. If the ball goes off the table, very slightly close the bat angle. Keep on adjusting until the ball hits the table. For opening against heavy backspin, the blade face should be vertical and your swing trajectory should start around your knee and end by your eyebrow. For topspin counters, your swing should go straight back and relatively straight forward with a slight snap of the forearm when contacting the ball. I hope this helps!

[@josepinchero]

few questions. (1) is there any elbow articulation? (i ask because i've had a coach a while back that said that acceleration comes from a combination of body twisting torque + elbow articulation. (2) you touch on this...but what is the difference of the forehand loop against: topspin, no-spin, and backspin? is it just the bat angle? (or is it more the beginning and ending position of the stroke?) (3) i've had player comments on my FH loops as not having enough of a forward aspect. they said that the forward part of the movenent comes from shoulder turning. when we hit the ball, it's 8" up and several feet forward....so logically, there has to be a strong forward component to the FH loop. Is this accurate? thanks!

[@AAMiniatures]

Thank you for sharing

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

You bet!

[@dantebystrom2837]

What is de difference between forehand loop and forehand loop drive

[@meys57]

how did you come up with 45 degree. if the ball has loads of spin then you need to open the racket you cannot keep the 45 degree. I think the problem in the loop is that you have to adjust the angel based on the spin of the ball and then another challenge will rise which is to detect the amount of the spin. Loop is not that much easy that you do some instruction and then boom you have a good loop.

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

It's a good starting point 45 degrees. Maybe small adjustments are needed, but even countering a slow spinny loop return from an opponent can be done with a 45 degree racket angle if you snap your elbow and accelerate fast enough. High quality stroke mechanics can hit through a lot of different spins

[@rudycramer225]

This is the second time I watched it. I think a few things may have sunken in. I'll know on Wednesday night. My current (attempt) of a forehand loop, is horrible. Goes over the end of the table 9 out ten. Don't seem to be grabbing the ball like I can on my backhand.

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

Hope you have found a solution Rudy. If not don't worry because it is a difficult shot. I commented on this before for another viewer. It all starts with keeping your body relaxed so it can move fluidly. The ball flying far could be for three reasons. Your arm is tense and therefore you are not completing a fast enough elbow snap to add spin to the ball that makes it dive back to the table. Your bat angle is opening upwards as you hit. You are hitting with too much force and not enough spin. Test these and see what you can figure out

[@rudycramer225]

@@Technical.Table.Tennis I think i have finally got it. I am relaxing my arm until contact then accelerating as fast as I can. Also I am allowing long balls ro drop before I do this as well, to get some dwell. It's working for me.

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

Congratulations on the progress. Looping is so satisfying when you figure it out. The sound, the feeling, the POWER. I have more videos coming soon so please be sure to subscribe. Talk soon!

[@brainyarn]

nice walkthrough though you make it look so easy i feel even worse that i cant get it right yet

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

Keep trying. Make sure to relax your body and start the movement from the bottom up

[@user-xx1gq7nr9o]

I Find it extremely difficult to execute this shot, every time I try to follow the racket up until eye level the ball goes far away, so I try to keep the swing until chest-neck level so I can control the ball but ai feel like this is not the right swing for Fh tp, any ideas?

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

It is a difficult shot. It all starts with keeping your body relaxed so it can move fluidly. The ball flying far could be for three reasons. Your arm is tense and therefore you are not completing a fast enough elbow snap to add spin to the ball that makes it dive back to the table. Your bat angle is opening upwards as you hit. You are hitting with too much force and not enough spin. Test these and see what you can figure out

[@michelle33michelle]

thanks !

[@BlueeeXBL]

Just noticed i have the same shoes as you :D Yasaka jet impact right? I just got mine 😁 Nice tips btw 😁

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

Thanks Blue! Gotta love the Jet Impacts. I wish they were a little more flashy, but how much can I ask for when I only paid $30 USD right?

[@BlueeeXBL]

@@Technical.Table.Tennis Yea i really like them so far! I bought mine for 75$ 🏓

[@BlueeeXBL]

@@Technical.Table.Tennis so you really got them for a good price 😁

[@mingo6038]

audio so clean I didn't even need the subtitles

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

You're just that good!

[@gnoahg5456]

Hey Jin Jeon! New viewer and I noticed nobody has videos on table tennis balls. Can you give your recommendations?

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

Hi!!! Hands down, the best deal for a high quality ball is the DHS 40+ ball

[@kapongerstv6367]

Thanks Jin...kamsamida

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

You are very welcome. Thank you for watching!

[@SnikersLV]

where you can buy the robot?

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

Ebay, Amazon, everywhere lol

[@z0uLess]

I have a theory that my forehand loop drive does not have the proper angle of movement of the bat because of the rubber I am using is too soft (yasaka rigan on a stiga offensive classic blade). If you want, you can watch my forehand vs a robot in a playlist in my channel. I have been playing table tennis for three months.

[@mahidulshahel2410]

5:28 nice diagram. Looks like a upside down diamond

[@roos3013]

cool :-)

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

Thank you

[@hangkebun4965]

Look like ma long fh.. Good

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

You’re very kind! We all should aspire to be like Ma Long 😄

[@reecetowe6520]

His technique is complete chinese looper

[@Technical.Table.Tennis]

Thanks for noticing! You have a great eye.