How to End the War in Ukraine: Matt Duss and Ray McGovern Debate U.S. Policy on Russia, NATO & More

As the U.S. pours billions in military aid into Ukraine, we host a debate on the Biden administration’s response to the war and U.S. policy toward Russia amid increasing calls among progressives for a diplomatic end to the conflict. We speak to former Bernie Sanders foreign policy adviser Matt Duss, now a visiting scholar at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, and Ray McGovern, a former CIA analyst who specialized in the Soviet Union. “Everyone understands that at some point there will need to be a negotiation to bring this war to a close, but I think the tension within the progressive community comes to when and how that diplomacy actually takes place,” says Duss. McGovern stressest that U.S. policymakers must understand Russia’s motivations, saying Russia sees the eastward expansion of NATO as threatening its core interests akin to how the United States viewed the Cuban Missile Crisis in the 1960s. “We need to go back and figure out how this all started in order to figure out how to end it,” says McGovern.
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[@douglaspeach5489]

Let's get this straight this did not start in 2022 .2014 it started.

[@JoscelinTrouwborst]

My view is that it started in 2008 with the NATO Summit declaration that Georgia and Ukraine will join NATO; pushed by the US, against the will of France and Germany. Putin was very clear at the time, no way.

[@bernielamy5135]

Yes... to start with...!

[@ianbardon8581]

With the bombing of civilians in East Ukraine. That was civil war.

[@davidsnedeker8098]

with the "little green men," and the murder of 350 civilians on an airliner by an FSB agent under PUTIN's orders.

[@theseustoo]

@@ianbardon8581 But please be clear about who it was who started the genocidal attacks on the (mostly Russian-speaking) citizenry of East Ukraine (i.e. the 'Donbass' region). It was NOT Russia, but the Nazi-led Western Ukraine! (Whom we have all been conned into supporting!)

[@orizeland1353]

Now I see why democracy does not work, people like this guy Matt who continue to spit out lies .

[@ubroc]

Matt is recititing historical facts, Ray is spreading a big lie.

[@orizeland1353]

thousands of children kidnap by the Russian yea right! what a nut job, Mattie! Mattie!

[@davidsnedeker8098]

name one lie? You cannot name as a lie one statement he made, without getting shown to be a fool. Try me.

[@anthonydeichler8864]

Democracy does not always work smoothly but the alternative is a place like Russia where you cannot criticize the corrupt politicians (or you will put in prison) and are sent to the front to fight an unjust and unnecessary war with no training and inadequate equipment.

[@orizeland1353]

@@anthonydeichler8864 ok collective west puppet, bring zelensky some more candy 🍭 powder

[@mungbean823]

If Matt Duss is a spokesman for peace, then heaven help the Ukrainians. Thankyou Ray MvGovern for a bit of fact.

[@philipangelo595]

Great point!! Duss is a war crazed psychopath who supports US imperialism.

[@brianfox771]

Sometimes in order to have true peace, defensive wars must be fought. McGovern is simply offering you Putin's chloroform and saying "shhh, don't fight back."

[@mungbean823]

@@brianfox771 Your examples in what countries are?

[@philipangelo595]

@@brianfox771 Ya mean like in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Somalia and all the countries we've overthrown since WW Two.

[@orestmakar8562]

Which part of what Matt has said do you disagree with? As a Ukrainian, I can assure you that what he said is 100% true and on point. Russia has been a threat to all countries in the region. It has occupied many of them and to this day it quietly does not recognise these countries as sovereign independent states. It sees them as lost colonies/lost Russian territories. Russia has implemented a set of brutal policies called „russification” which aim was to erase the language, culture and history of these countries, aka destroy their national identity and replace it with a Russian national identity. FYI, this is why countries or parts of countries that have been longer under Russian occupation have been rustified much more than countries that have been under Russian occupation for a shorter period of time. Ukrainians suffered slavery under Russian occupation up till 1861, and Ukrainian peasants could buy land from 1901-1903. In 1929 the Soviets expropriated this land and deported millions to Siberia and Kazakhstan, or to GULAGs. From 6-10 million people died in an artificial famine organised by Stalin. It's called Holodomor and it is considered an act of genocide. As a Ukrainian i do not want to talk about peace with Russian invadors and occupants that have invaded my country, bombed my cities, looted the homes of my countrymen and tortured, raped and executed civilians of all ages and POWs. Russia is continuing its genocide and its propaganda is openly talking about what it wants to do. Prominent propagandists are talking about leveling cities, using chemical and nuclear weapons against civilians, kidnapping, burning and drowning Ukrainian children and building concentration camps for Ukrainians. They openly promote the destruction of critical civilian infrastructure, electricity, heating and water purification. They openly say that they want Ukrainians to freze to death…. Mass graves and torture channels are discovered in towns and cities Russians have occupied. Videos of war crimes, many posted by Russian soldiers themselves, circulated on the web, and yet people like you exist, that are delusional enough to side with Russia. Russia invaded Ukraine and is destroying this country and its people by committing mass war crimes not the other way around. Never appease totalitarian antidemocratic regimes. Didn’t IIWW teach you anything?

[@reynoldliao7462]

That Matt Duss guy’s lack of logic is just ridiculous! The US is “vindicated” by telling others that Russia is going to attack? That’s like saying if I keep sticking my fist in someone’s face, telling people that someone’s gonna punch me. When that finally happens, I’m vindicated by telling other “see, I told you he’s violent!”

[@TheGrindcorps]

We also said Russia wouldn’t attack and then we Said Russia would take Kiev in 3 days. Biden said this. Now it’s a meme about Russia supposedly losing that they didn’t do this. They never said a damn thing about this being a plan or any indication they thought they would. No one can find any source of anyone at all in Russia ever saying this yet it’s “Putin troll coping” to say that the west literally made that up.

[@draconariusking8328]

I hope someday you’ll be embarrassed that you are repeating RT talking points

[@reynoldliao7462]

@@draconariusking8328 Keep hoping… 😂

[@draconariusking8328]

@@reynoldliao7462 Red fascist…

[@fernandoalegria4240]

What are you talking about? Russia's neighbors don't have to be reminded about they're history. Russia has already threatened Finland and Poland.

[@mikehansell4225]

The US promised to keep NATO west of the Elbe river in Europe, never happened, imagine if that was Russia putting missiles in northern Mexico, US would go crazy!

[@ubroc]

That lie is going around a lot. That promise never happened. If you think it through the timeline doesn't support it. There is also no writren record of it and no reason to make it. Why would America, in 1990, promise the Chairman of the USSR that they wouldn't expand into WP nations when the USSR & WP were still together? Makes no sense. What was promised was that NATO wouldn't stage nukes in East Germany. Today there are no nukes in any post Warsaw Pact NATO territory.

[@kinfolk565]

YES THEY WOULD MIKE

[@davidsnedeker8098]

That is straight, stone cold horse pucky. making up crap like that identifies you as an intentional krembot, or an under educated bs artist.

[@Lozenayla]

you are dead right Mike

[@MichaelFlynn0]

NATO did not move east --- all the satellite states - sovereign nations moved west. Can you not see this. Putin invaded ... not Ukraine.

[@lancehilt7536]

Matt Duss”…bring the US’ superior diplomatic abilities to the conflict.” Huh?

[@kehindefasunle4933]

If any country has a superior diplomacy, it is India not Russia, China, EU or USA. They all look for what they can fend off with their selfish interests. Russia often has genuine points but the way their diplomats present their arguments always sound like threats. USA who is the cause of this conflict has positioned herself as the savior of Ukrainians at the expense of Ukranian peace. This is insane!!! At worst, we all die due to this selfish US policy. Let me remind you that we all have a responsibility to this planet aside from our national interests.

[@vw6751]

Ha ha ha ha. US has no diplomatic tradition, history or achievements.

[@bjpargeter466]

Thank you for having Ray McGovern on the show. A gentleman and a scholar.

[@Mr.Monta77]

A gentleman? Not sure if you understand the term. He sound exactly like a Putin parrot to me.

[@jasontye3307]

🤣🤣🤣🤣 10 lbs of sh!t I'm a 5 lb bag.

[@tomwhitworth1560]

lol he's a whack job

[@francesgaia4649]

AND PUTIN SUPPORTER!

[@bjpargeter466]

@@francesgaia4649 imagine there being more than one sides and perspectives in a conflict...

[@oboogie2]

On negotiations, Matt Duff leaves out that any negotiations without the US are meaningless because Ukraine can not negotiate away the sanctions, which is part of how we killed the almost successful negotiations in March and April.

[@josephhoggang7139]

Putin said that Russia did not suffer anything from the sanctions, so no need to remove the sanctions

[@oboogie2]

@@josephhoggang7139 actually not, but you probably got that from mainstream news, as that is part of the narrative. Putin never said that Russia didn't suffer any from the sanctions, he said that Russia could withstand them. However, he has complained about the sanctions often.

[@Aan_allein]

@@oboogie2 Sanctions will never go away.

[@davidsnedeker8098]

See you got that USA villian killing the negotiations bit in there. Which BTW is a sure diagnostic that your source tracks to the FSB. Because it never happened dude. The USA govt is not omnipotent, no matter how limiting your personal national narcissistic impulse might be. Ideology Sucks

[@paulrand7861]

So you agree that Ukraine should have a settlement imposed on it from USA

[@katieak9796]

Thank you Mr. McGovern for speaking logic and sense here. If our government is advised by people like Mr. Duss, highly unprofessional and destructive, we are in a huge trouble.

[@postman11]

Sander took the wrong guy as adviser .. listen what he saying let the time come for negotiation 🤔 i mean when ?? When there is whole destruction on both side and no point to return , its almost getting late for negotiation and still time has not come for that guy 😀 destructive mind as you said

[@MrKorton]

Wrong. That man is a pathetic Putin apologist.

[@harryflashman4542]

Ukraine lobby is supposedly the Democrats biggest sponsor.

[@Progenitor1979]

After Russa's coming assault this winter Ukraine will have little if anything to negotiate and a settlement will be imposed upon them. If Russia chooses to take Odessa Ukraine will find itself a small landlocked country with no significant resources.

[@na335]

I’m just curious how Mr.Duss could explain the human rights of the kids, women, elderly people that were killed in Donbass between 2014-2022? Who is going to investigate those crimes? Thank you Mr. McGovern for the clear observation!

[@MrKorton]

What about the ukrainians killed by russian separatists there?

[@hennyheartily58]

Yes and how it all relates to Victoria Nuland-Kagan puting 5 biljon US taxdollars into Ukraine up to 2013 alone, next organising the Euromaidan uprisings in 2014 to overthrow the newly elected government, which turned into a bloodbath because the organisation hired snipers who shot the protesters. Meanwhile she was caught plotting the new regime in her leaked phonecall with Pyat, in media only mentioned because the " fuck the EU" , shortly after which the MH17 conveniently was shot down supposedly by Russians. Mr Duss also conveniently forgets about the Odessamassacre and the Mariopol massacre in 2015 or so. And of course he forgets that the US troups are on the ground delivered with the Himars, that Starlink was subsidised for this purpose, that Hillary Clinton was so angry about losing the elections because the US troups were already stationed at the Zuwaldi corridor and were ready for combat as soon as she would be President and that she had preemptively commissioned the rebuilding of parts of Russia after the war in public tenders as can be found on the website for public tenders of the US. But that is logical the man works for the endowment industry, which is the opposite of propeace. I see some people claim that he has no choice beeing in the system, but there is always a choice. In his case quit the job. Remarkable however that so many people involved in politics and pr in the US with respect to this war who deny the nazism in Ukraine and hate Russia are Ukrainians who changed their names. From Nuland to Duss and that idiot that was minister of truth for 5 minutes. In one thing Duss was right: it is getting weirder by the day, but that is because of lying warmongers like him.

[@Blanka1100]

Donbas belongs to Ukraine and Putin loves making mess there using Donbas as "Protecting my people" Hitler style excuse to invade. and justify his crimes.

[@na335]

@@MrKorton You are naming Ukrainian citizens who didn’t want to accept the unlawfully elected President - Russian separatist? 8 million people lived there and civilians were bombed by Ukrainian army forces…

[@na335]

@@Blanka1100 yes but those Ukrainians Russian-speaking people were treated so horribly by Ukrainian government - there are all documented cases… so many speeches where Ukrainians said that those people should be just wiped away… That’s an awful tragedy… with Minsk agreements that were not followed…

[@davidd1653]

Matt Duss completely lost me at "The Biden Administration has been rebuilding US credibility"

[@ZacharyTilzer]

Well he has. Also NATOs credibility. He was 100% correct about the invasion. While leftists like you were saying "Russia isn't going to invade". Then when Biden is proven correct leftists completely change their narrative.

[@tatsianagarcia7355]

Ray McGovern should be heard by many US obnoxious politicians

[@GigaSigma1]

Matt Duss' charcterization of the USA's diplomacy as " superior" is hilarious. Blinkin and his department have been anything but superior diplomats. Democracy Now should get Ambassador Chas Freeman to comment on this situation, if they can find out where the national security state is hiding him.

[@NotShowingOff]

He still wants a job with the DC demagogues. He can’t go off the reservation

[@athousandIQ]

INDEED! He is also a Ukrainian nationalist. That says it all. We need less nationalism and more anti-imperialist pacifists on the left! But where the f*** have the latter gone since the Vietnam war?

[@theciakilledjfk5973]

Lol maybe he meant that our state department is superior to the knuckle dragging apes that populate the Ukrainian foreign ministry.

[@jeanaguzarov]

Yes, that typical arrogance

[@athousandIQ]

@@jeanaguzarov ... willful ignorance too ...

[@jbrennan6148]

Duss is either painfully uninformed or he is a liar of the worst sort.

[@MrMakesail]

Yup

[@MrMakesail]

Probably both

[@stephencalcutt8396]

What about the people of Donbas? Don't they count?

[@Dinan5iver2]

Certainly the latter.

[@jeremydevor7004]

He should have told McGovern to f*ck off with his bullshit Russian propaganda. The guy has no clue about anything that is happening in Ukraine, Russia is stretched beyond breaking and their economy is devastated.

[@AntPictures]

Thanks for inviting guests with different opinions, giving us both perspectives. This is extremely important.

[@tatianalyulkin410]

Matt doesn't have an opinion- he's got a Party line.

[@covensw1938]

All credit to Mr Ray McGovern. Always a pleasure to watch / hear him speak.

[@MrJohnnyexcellent]

pretty much everything he says is just wrong, adopting NATO is a threat stuff will instantly reveal a person totally ignorant towards modern Russia, which is basically a fascist state with a fairly dangerous revisionist mindset. And the Russians are winning this war in McGoverns wet dreams only. In fact, they are losing so badly, its unbelievable

[@covensw1938]

@@MrJohnnyexcellent What planet are you living on? Do some homework. Learn about the Slavic Nations History, Traditions, Religion, Inter Racial marriages, Languages, Cultures, Music, Literature. Current Day Ukraine is the new Eastern Europe Hollywood. The lead actors suck at their jobs.

[@officialzoboomoofoo1767]

Do you feel the same about putin, because I don't see much of an ideological difference

[@Elisa-mg3rc]

I wish these people who claim that Putin stated that his goal is to re-establish the Russian empire or the borders of the Soviet Union would be more specific and point to exactly which speech is that. I went through a lot of his speeches and actually never found a concrete basis for that (unless some snapshots that takes one or two sentences out of the context of the speech)

[@leoh6596]

The other people are lying whereas you, Elisa, are seeking real evidence.

[@mackone8035]

Multipolarista, the Grayzone, the New Atlas all deal with that topic outside the MSM narrative.

[@isaacngoma5760]

which you , I think you don't know much about vladmir Putin the president of Russia , let me tell you , Ukraine has mach oil & gas resarve on it's ground , now this becomes a threat to Russia that it will soon lose a market .

[@duellingscarguevara]

@@isaacngoma5760 get in!. 2 day old account (thought I’d seen your name before, maybe it was Nigerian princes though?).

[@antoinedebiran3000]

exactly Elisa..the lack of critical skills of the educated elite is breathtaking. for instance we believe everything the Ukrainians say at face value. Even a 5 years old dont do that !!!

[@evfreshair7312]

Excellent presentation. Your honesty, your passion for the truth shine through brightly. We need more patriot’s like you. Honesty will save America and a return to its roots. False pride and the lies of the elites will destroy her.

[@tomwhitworth1560]

Bot

[@flash522gp]

​@@tomwhitworth1560 how can you tell?

[@tomwhitworth1560]

@@flash522gp Seen copy pastes of this 2x before. I delve through the depths

[@fgolorunsaiye9843]

I like these interviewers. Ask questions, let the guests respond uninterrupted. Allow viewers to form their own opinions.

[@hendrikvanleeuwen9110]

That is what journalism looks like.

[@annesaunders3851]

If this guy advised Sanders, this explains Sander's weakness in the understanding of internationalism.

[@BernieHollandMusic]

Sanders is a poltroon - and this Duss guy is his disciple

[@mmoxam6963]

No kidding! I almost feel bad for this guy and his wilful ignorance.

[@robertdonegan7613]

Has he anything to say about Ukraine shelling doonass over last 9 years or so

[@Pedrombsantos]

@@robertdonegan7613 Nope, it would go against his shilling...

[@jturtle5318]

@@robertdonegan7613 shelling Russian troops in Donbass?

[@anniecameron6794]

You can never believe ninety percent of news that comes out of America

[@davidsalcido383]

“AmeriKKKan Bull 💩🧻💩🧻💩🧻💀🦠💉🦠💉🦠💀 ☢️

[@finnmcginn9931]

You should see the state of Canadian media. They are for either fully or mostly funded by the government and act accordingly.

[@justinlavine9209]

Bulgaria, Rohan, and Luxembourg hear your words, internet special interest group. They are taking up arms even as we speak to defend Freedom and Democracy in the strategic shipping port of Panama. Their drone factories, once fully productional, will occupy the Gulf of Mexico. This lays their forces at risk of bring caught in a pincer movement between the incoming armadas of Russia and Iran and the narco-terrorist militias of Mexico and Brazil. I've no doubt our brave allies in both NATO and the Coalition are steadfast and ready to do what Oliver North could only dream. We will storm the beaches of Israel, take back Thailand's microchip factories from the Communist Chinese, fnishing annexing Cuba, launch waves of cyber warfare against the illegal money launderers in the Cayman Islands, and restock Gen. Brigadier Escobam's U.S. munitions stockade in Argentina. Tell Zelensky, the DPNK, and Palestine the democracy is coming. Tell them they only need DEMOCRACY NOW!!!!

[@gizzyguzzi]

@@finnmcginn9931 same as USA. We know feds control the media and social media. Now the WH wants to control what is truth!

[@cientifiko]

the first speech of Matt Duss is incredible out of reality, but Juan Gonzalez very politely made a question that put Matt argument on the garbage.... i am quitte sure that Carnegie Endowment is an arm of NED. By the way, DW should be discussing seriously why USA has voted no to motion against nazism ideology in UN.

[@johnhodge1263]

Bernie advisor really provides a clear message of how pro war ,pro Nato, Bernie is 😵‍💫

[@justinlavine9209]

Tell Mr. Sanders I'm world renown for defending Democracy and Freedom. When the Northern Union entered Kentucky, I lost all hope but knew our boots on the ground could count on oil supplies from the (redacted) to help the Coalition bring the Baathe Party (mostly made up of Saddamn Hussein's "administrators" according to Western news outlets) back into power a 3rd time.I will gladly advise Mr. Sanders and Gen. Patreus at the White House. And tell the Shah of Iran: "Hell no, I won't go!" to any other KZbin(TM) news network than DEMOCRACY NOW!

[@twentyarms]

Yeah, it's super depressing

[@joaomartins7413]

As for the lackey of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, I will only say this: he is a lackey of US imperialist foreign policy.

[@tvtothepoint]

Says Putin's lackey.

[@BernieHollandMusic]

@@tvtothepoint Says one steeped in a propaganda induced coma !

[@Pax2023]

Russia's concern about the NATO military alliance on its border is no different than the US reaction to the perfectly legal alliance between Cuba and Russia in 1962. Our reaction was that the US would not tolerate nuclear weapons that close to our border. The Russian response today is no different than our response in 1962.

[@Blanka1100]

Nato expansion is simply excuse for Putin. Why didn't Putin invade oland or Lithuania, both Nato members and Russia's neighbors? This war is not about Nato. It's about Putin's ego and his sick idea to bring USSR glory back. He does not even consider Ukraine as and independent state.

[@Blanka1100]

*Poland

[@r.lewisblake7793]

Wow! Except for the nuclear weapons that would have been (and were for a short time) very close to the US mainland. I guess the fact that the whole thing was resolved by Kruschev backing down (through back channels)and the US decommissioning some outdated weapons in turkey at the same time. I guess that doesn’t make any difference either? Peace?! Everyone (I would assume) wants peace. It never ceases to amaze me how, when the US starts and unjustified war, people call for us to cease-fire and enter into negotiations. Russia started killing Ukrainians in 2014and continues to escalate and annex more territory. Everyone, except Ukrainians is asking the US and Ukraine to come to the negotiation table. What about Russia? Where is your condemnation of them? Where is your pressure on them to come to the negotiation table? Where are your appearances on Russian television, telling Russians, that they should end this war? I’ll wait!!

[@rogbrogb5341]

The Cuban missile crisis started with US missiles in Turkey. The US doesn't learn. Russia is considering stationing missiles in Cuba again to make the point about proximity again. The US Empire needs to back off.

[@Blanka1100]

@@r.lewisblake7793 USA did not invade Ukraine. Putin did. Does Putin want peace? No. He want s Ukraine and he wants to bring USSR glory back. Nobody cares about Cold war era 60's crap anymore. Did USA annex Cuba's land back then? Did American army rape women and children of Cuba? . Dictators lile Putin never respect any deals. Hitler did not calm dow after he got piece of Czhechoslovakia in 1938 so N. Chamberlain must have had Picacu face in 1939. It's so easy to give up somebody else's land right? Word did not want to die for Poland in 1939 but Hitler came to their doop steps anyway. Dictators always want more. What would make Putin happy? Ukraine stop existing, I guess.

[@Domnom9]

Ray McGovern talks very reasonable and factbased, while Matt Duss talks like an average politician

[@LeadLeftLeon]

Ray offers solutions. Matt offers butthurt on the behalf of Ukraine

[@heather725]

I am British. When I was at primary school and secondary school we covered the history of Britain over 2000 years since the Romans to the present.

[@SixWildKids]

Hard not to laugh when Duss said the Biden admin has been careful to not spread Intel disinfo.

[@drmodestoesq]

Yes...we should listen to Russian media. And assert that Russia hasn't invaded Ukraine.

[@simplelivinguz]

@@drmodestoesq tell me some good reasons for russia invade ukraine? They have enough land and resources. Whats the logical reason then?

[@drmodestoesq]

@@simplelivinguz The reason is peabrained tribalism. Putin wants to move the borders around so all the Russians are in the Russian nation. And all the other tribes that are in Russia....and even outside, have to live under the constant reality or threat of the Russian jackboot.

[@duellingscarguevara]

@@simplelivinguz the H word. Rhymes with “mate” (like tigers in the jungle, not the drink?).

[@alexj7640]

@@simplelivinguz are you serious? its pretty straight forward, Russian president wants political supremacy in eastern Europe, like US has in Europe and like China has in Asia only problem is, no-one in Europe likes him, so this is what happens. Ukraine invasion is not about just land, its about political ambitions of Vladimir Putler

[@Zcriger6]

Matt Duss makes me feel ashamed that I canvassed for Bernie twice.

[@joyduncan9434]

This Matt Duss guy is a real clown.

[@Mr.Monta77]

@Dave Coyle Bernie is no marxist. Get your facts straight. Tut-tut.

[@mattthompson9529]

Same here.🙁 He was the only turd in the punch bowl I knew of. His Russiagating made him incredibly suspect.

[@gushammerly5345]

As a former Democrat and progressive I feel the same way.

[@Zcriger6]

@Dave Coyle if only he were that cool.

[@benetaue]

Ray always smartest man in the room.

[@ashog1426]

Ray McGovern is a treasure

[@jr9721]

The first thing to highlight was the people dying in dombass. It was the turning point of the war, the increase shelling of this region in February. That s why they do not care that much of Nato in Finland but they care of the Russian community of those regions.

[@davidsnedeker8098]

total krembot CA CA

[@gerhardvanderpoll7378]

Naah....Putin is a dictator who does not care about anybody,anywhere ...and that includes his own soldiers.....

[@tvtothepoint]

"Russian community" = invasion force. Nobody asked for Russian people to move into Ukraine and claim that they remain Russian citizens.

[@Btrutaltruth]

Yes, it's true..Actually nato was going to attack Donbass on February 25 but Putin prevented mass genocide of the people in that part of Ukraine.

[@monaliza3334]

Watch new documentary "Eight years before "...

[@carlosorellana1924]

The older former cia gentleman destroyed with great examples, own knowledge and history the other guy who seems in denial; and then the sander’s former advisor is Ukrainian 😂

[@jiefflerenard1228]

Moking and critizining your oppponent is the mark of people witout a plan ,Ray has no plan! Talks about what?, Putin wants Ukraine and ukrainian culture off the map at least Hitler respected British culture.

[@iosefaandrews2351]

@@jiefflerenard1228 US strategy is to surround Russia and to squeeze them out of existence so let's not pretend that this was not orchestrated by US in the first place. Their misplaced hatred of the Russians has been going for years and very much ingrained in the US psychy. US are the biggest terrorists in the world, despite calling on for Russias cooperation over many years. It's ok for US to invade other countries under the banner of democracy but not for Russia protect themselves from US hegemoney?

[@davidsnedeker8098]

Come on, you liked his singing, because it let you ignore the complete lack of fact in his words and feel less debased.

[@tatianalyulkin410]

Oh, no, Matt is not in denial- he's lying, misleading and gaslighting.

[@tatianalyulkin410]

Pure BS. I'm a Ukrainian by blood, a Rebel by choice. I've got tons of friends who're Ukrainians and also Rebels. Zelensky's Nazi goons are toppling the monuments to Pushkin and Catherine the Great but in Donetsk the monument to Shevchenko is still standing.

[@shelleylabar6310]

Let us Thank God for Mr. McGovern and others like him !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111

[@romanjansen6652]

Great Job Ray 🙏

[@joshbell5387]

The most dense, shallow analysis from matt duss. "The war can end if Vladimir Putin leaves"

[@GrimLocke161]

Ok, NazBol

[@joshbell5387]

@@GrimLocke161 Keep deep throating the American flag. America doesn't care about the lives of Ukrainians, they don't care to even try to end the conflict. It's going to be tragic when Russia annexes more regions and Ukrainians freez in winter, and you'll still be on KZbin cheerleading zelinsky send the old, and the young to their slaughter.

[@tiwiex]

quite shameful. there are some interviews one should avoid.

[@GrimLocke161]

@@joshbell5387 Amazing that you can type so much while getting spit roasted by the Wagner Group.

[@Elytpa]

Every Ukraine interviewee says the same thing. He’s following the talking points.

[@jakfish]

If the US is putting military support into the war, then diplomacy effort should be as high and intense! Oh wait. You don't earn money with diplomacy...

[@iblameabel7023]

Somebodies contracting the assembly of all those weapons, and believe they’re getting 100x as much money as they would if war wasn’t in session.

[@adamjohnson286]

Jak Fish, exactly. War is a racket, and at this point every single Democratic in Congress is anti-diplomacy. Disgraceful. Support the growth of progressive third parties; stop voting for war.

[@Iknowknow112]

Exactly! The idea that American elites are fretting about Ukrainian lives and infrastructure is absurd. To too many Americans foreigners are only barely human . What the elites do care about is an opportunity to feed the Ukrainians the weapons of their own mass destruction while having the American taxpayers foot the bill.

[@richnz44]

Well said, Jak. I think you've hit the nail on the head. Also what are US strategic goals here? Weakening of Russia obviously, not saving Ukrainian lives. Hence the war must continue in support of the usual dubious US national interests....

[@imalatino2]

The best way to understand this discussion is by first acknowledging where these two speakers sit in their political careers. Matt is fairly young compared to Ray, who has done his duty and clearly speak without remorse, and Mat simply has more to lose going against grain. He works for the Think Tank industry which serves the military industrial complex of the US. He has no choice but sit in servitude of the dominant American narrative and the Government which employs it, unless he's truly in favor of that narrative's paradigm and embraces it (would not be surprising to say the least). Ray is calling out all of the bullshit and in a very clear voice. Listen up y'all

[@markward3981]

Yes but it is difficult for many to understand and digest that.

[@Rubylove48]

It’s not just age and experience, it’s character and courage.

[@adamjohnson286]

Kaveh, you nailed it. Check out "The Grayzone" for honest reporting on this subject. Duss is a deep state liar.

[@rogbrogb5341]

Both parties and the corporate media are on a full court propaganda press! Including social media censorship.

[@kamohelo6418]

@@markward3981 we can understand it. We don't have to respect it

[@TheGrindcorps]

The fact that he is former Bernie Sanders foreign policy adviser shows that that brand of “progressivism” is at it’s core, American Imperialism dressed up in clothes which are more attractive to a certain subset of the population to make it appeal to them.

[@TheDavidColantoni]

good evening I'm watching you from Italy. I am a journalist and a writer, on May 9 I published a book called "Ukraine 2022 The Perfect Strategic Threat". IN this book I reconstruct some moments that seem crucial to me that are never talked about. The first is that Ukraine participated in the occupation of Iraq in 2003 with one of the largest allied contingents, and the costs were partly covered by the US. This thing represents a bad moral position compared to the invocations of international law that Ukraine makes today, today that it is an invaded country and not an invader as it was in Iraq. Then I recalled that in 1997 Russia and Ukraine signed a very important cooperation treaty, because the two nations had, up to then, shared, as the Soviet Union, military industries, especially missiles, in Ukraine they built and designed the Voyevoda missile, which was the key missile for Russia's nuclear strategic deterrence. In light of this, US meddling trying to get Ukraine into NATO posed an absolute strategic threat to Russia, as Ukraine maintained voyevoda missiles, and we know that Kagan in a 1996 document called Rebuilding America's Defenses, clearly wrote that the US had to gain strategic nuclear superiority, fate has it that this gentleman was the husband of Mrs. Nuland, responsible for US policy in Ukraine. here I stop here. I think these are the starting points for a series of analyses, or else we go into metaphysics, which is interesting, but is also a bit too much literature.

[@ALEXRUSSIANOCCUPANT]

Give a link to the book

[@rajdialnandram5676]

Matt is saying that Biden was sure that Putin would have invaded Ukraine. So what preemptive talks with Putin did Biden initiate to prevent the attack.

[@2012isnear-my-my-my]

sanctions

[@philipangelo595]

Biden knew Russia would attack when the Russian's found out that Zalinsky, the "peace candidate" sent the Neo Nazis to the Donbass to finish off the Ethnic Russians.

[@MINITMANRADIONETWORK]

If Russia were to build a military base in Mexico or Canada and start training a military force to confront the United States,what would Biden do?

[@BRANFED]

​@@2012isnear-my-my-my try again.. idiotic answer..sanctions only create contempt and animosity in the history of the use of sanctions.. they have not been very effective at stopping conflict. at best, they might forestall a conflict by months or a year or 2 but Russia is no 3rd world country populated by brown,tan, black or yellow skinned people either that america is used to having their way with. Russia has massive resources at their disposal .. fyi.. the Japanese attacked pearl harbor in 1941 because of sanctions. the reason the sanctions was used was to cut Japanese oil imports and thus stop their expansionist policies.. They failed spectacularly at that. some such as I will argue that the sanctions worked as they where meant too in that case..to give the Japanese a 'casus belli' The sanctions against Russia was never meant to stop a war in Ukraine.. They was meant to hurt the average Russian citizen inorder to create discord and upheaval in Russia in order to facilitate regime change.. In almost EVERY instance the USA has 'regime changed' a country, the one that took the ousted leaders place have been considerably worse. By all accounts, Putin is a moderate and reasonable person. The person that takes his place if he is gone will likely be a hardliner and then the world will burn Ill add that there was a good deal to stop this war back in 2015 called minsk 2 agreement.. Germany and France was its witnesses and was supposed to make sure that Ukraine held up their end of the agreement, but under pressure from the USA,France and Germany allowed Ukraine to ignore the agreement, Infact the agreement was used by ukraine and the USA to stall for time so that Ukraine could build up its military even more. Russia didnt start this war, they just invaded Ukraine Now ^^ thats a proper answer KG!

[@SCRUT]

@@BRANFED it was a joke! dont insult 2012

[@Damn3dYank33]

No mention of the Minsk Agreement violation?

[@chanoleyva4208]

No one talks about the Minsk agreement, the Ukrainians and nato straight up violated that shit

[@ubroc]

@@chanoleyva4208 The separatist insurgent supported by the Russian Army in Donbass never quit fighting after the agreement was signed. So it fell apart.

[@RodrigoOswego]

@@ubroc You mean the separatists were trying to take more Ukrainian territory? Definitely not. It was Ukraine that was constantly shelling the Donbas territory and refused to let up. It was almost as if Ukraine wanted to provoke an escalation to justify Nato involvement instead of actual peace.

[@chanoleyva4208]

@@ubroc because the Ukrainians were basically committing genocide against the ethnic Russians 🤷🏻‍♂️ don’t be fooled by the western neo con media. And I’m American I can’t stand my corrupt shitty government

[@chanoleyva4208]

@@RodrigoOswego exactly

[@ricardoguzman6444]

Big Ray MacGovern, a person with a loth of sense and property. THX for sharing your thoughts.

[@jdursoesq]

Real diplomats put themselves in the shoes of the opposing party, as did Mr. McGovern, so as to facilitate constructive dialogue. If you wonder why Bernie Sanders has allied himself with the neocons on escalating war with Russia, just consider the mindset of Matt Druss.

[@jimmy1khoza190]

Mr Ray you put it accordingly I hope they can take your words because people are dying with this proxy war

[@pbar12]

It's long been known that Ray McGovern is an agent of the Russian Federation. He was outed ages ago

[@vinsmoke3587]

War is absolutely unnecessary we should always talk thing out

[@jmfangio286]

Matt Duss ought to explain how he proposes to protect the ethnic Russian population in Donbas, Donetsk and Lugansk, which were under attack since the 2014 coup d'etat, and how he proposes to control the Nazi militias in the Ukrainian Army. You can physically see the threat from NATO, and it is a threat to all of us, not just Russia. The people of Europe see no need for a war with Russia, this is being done without their agreement.

[@nsv8613]

There are ethnic Russian populations in Kharkiv, Odesa, Mykolaiv and Kherson, and many other places in Ukriane as well, and yet they did not face any ethnic threats. Hell, there are even advertisements and store signs in Russian in those cities, even though in the rest of Ukraine and in the predominantly Russian-speaking Kyiv they are all in Ukrainian. The idea that Russia intervened to protect ethnic Russians is false

[@jayspik6498]

@@nsv8613 They’ve been suppressed by the extremist Nazi’s and have be threatened of torture if they rise up, that is why those regions have not yet exploded..

[@bk818]

Mr. Fangio...Matt Duss would thus intend to protect the ethnic Russian population in Donbass, Donetsk and Luhansk, just as the USA is currently doing now...supporting with money and weapons...Nazi militia battalions in the Ukrainian army. And you are right... The physical and also mental threat of NATO to the whole world as it has been so far... practice... for at least 40 years. The inhabitants of Europe are of course forced by NATO and the USA as their bosses who actually manage the EU... in all this doing... only now the supplies will be exhausted and there will be little for such support... the nation after the EU must first of all look at the ways of the people and to provide stability and uninterrupted supply in their environments... with energy and food... everything else will work after that...

[@user-ld9hx7eh8b]

@@nsv8613 There is a small "BUT" ... If you express your pro-Russian opinion, then you will disappear without a trace with a bullet in the back of your head. And everyone knows this, but the West pretended to be a fool and blind and does not see this Nazism ....

[@wernergoetschalckx3793]

Americans don't care about europeans! They only care about themselves! To bad we can't move britain to the other side of the atlantic...

[@trumpetman]

Matt Duss sat here and lied for about a half of a half hour. Not surprising though. He's paid well to do this.

[@tatianalyulkin410]

No. He's lying for free. He's a Ukrainian Loyalist, a Banderovite.

[@trumpetman]

@@tatianalyulkin410 well, he's eating somehow lol.

[@brianwesley28]

Lavrov is one of the top diplomats on the planet. There were many photo ops at the UN with Lavrov, while Blinkin wasn't swarmed with the same demand. Lavrov is a rock star of the diplomatic world.

[@indieanna4764]

Lavrov, sorry he even looks like Frankenstein. 😂😂😂😂

[@coopoylozenge5964]

Lavrov is a liar. Zero credibility in the diplomatic sphere.

[@kiabtoomlauj6249]

Yeah, in Trump and Putin's Fantasy Island, everything you said is true. On earth, in the reality we live in, Russia is isolated from 95% of Western Europe and the US and Allies. It has only a few dictatorial Second and Third World nations and regimes to hang around with, with "neutral India" and "very peaceful China" leading the BRICS alignment (two nations in perpetual wars of their own in the Himalaya region, having ZERO American or European involvements). Close to 100%, this is what's happening to your hero and very popular Lavrov: except for the UN, neither Putin nor Larvov will be seen, for the few years they have left on earth, winning and dinning with all the fake smiles and customary gestures they've enjoyed the last 35 - 40 years all over Western Europe and America. They may go to China, India, the Mid East or Africa & smile with a few dictators... but neither they NOR any of their close friends NOR CHILDREN would be seen lazing around in posh places, elite universities, cultural and diplomatic places in the West... As White European people themselves ---- having always done things with Western and Northern European people and nations for CENTURIES, even during wars --- but now that Putin & Lavrov are PRETENDING they're not part of White, northern Europeans and don't have to confirm to basic behaviors among Western and northern European nations and people.... these current Russian elites and their families are now banished from the West for the next 20 - 30 years, at the very least. Their "Slavic" brothers from Ukraine and other places aren't going to be all that warm toward them, either; NOR the southern Muslim folks in the Caucasus, people like the Chechen & Dagestanis whom Putin once brutally put down, in a 10 year struggle, in the late 1980s to mid 1990s, when those folks also wanted independence from Russia after the collapse of the USSR. Remember, Grozny and other Chechen cities were FLATTENED exactly like what Putin is now doing to central, southern, and eastern Ukraine, too... And the many Asian ethnics in vast, lightly populated Siberia, in the far east... which once was mostly Chinese controlled.... don't even babble about "independence" from White northern European Muscovites, either, because Comrade KGB Col. Putin and gentlemanly Lavrov would flatten whatever minimal structures they have before they know what's up or down! BTW, for your information, THAT is why despite Xi and China having "no bounds" friendship with Russia... China is NOT willing to overtly help Russia out: China also dreams of RECLAIMING most of the VAST Siberia that it used to control before it was forcibly taken over by WHITE Russians, in the 1800 to early 1900s.... when Colonial powers from the West ---- England, Russia, Portugul, Spain et al ---- were all ganging up against a very weak China, from the West, north, east, and south (India & SE Asia) and Sea (from Taiwan, the Philippines etc)...

[@alexj7640]

whe hell you talking about? Lavrov is a thief, a lier and just a creepy dude, he's girlfriend is like 19 years old....

[@tatianalyulkin410]

If it wasn't for Lavrov, my brother Pavel Gubarev, would have been tortured to death by the Gestapo/SBU.

[@olenalev1768]

Thank you Mr. McGovern

[@tokuh5821]

Nobody can trust what Matt Duss is saying.

[@sugarbeets]

The Western policies and the NATO's persistent east ward advancement is at fault. That is the main problem. Surely, no sovereign nation wants their adversaries advance to the national border which threatened their security and in a way affect their existential status. Then Western European States, NATO, as well as Ukraine & Russia should seat down and discussed the matter seriously and sincerely.

[@rodneychew9893]

Matt was their to lie, Ray explains

[@tatianalyulkin410]

Of course he was. Like that Gelb creature who started a war with Anna Netrebko, Matt is a Banderovite.

[@gabrieltreewolf4618]

Thank God for Ray . It is nice to hear truth on this channel once in a while!

[@marcillioficino4663]

Yea, they occasionally have someone with a modicum of objectivity.

[@jocksharerock7318]

@@marcillioficino4663 objectivity? He’s repeating the notion the “WE the US don’t want to talk.” He ignores everything regarding the dangers of Putin. Using Mearsheimer as this “dean” on the subject is ridiculous. McGovern was all over the place

[@warrenflood2809]

@@jocksharerock7318 US politicians are more of a danger to the US than anyone else ever could be. Russia poses no threat unless threatened existentially. Why we are so hellbent on threatening their existence escapes my classical liberal logic. We have much bigger problems at home, not to mention a long and distinguished track record of causing far more harm than good any time we try to "help" other countries. Time for a reality check - we are not helping anyone, certainly not Ukraine.

[@jocksharerock7318]

@@warrenflood2809 we are not threatening Russia. We are supporting Ukraine’s sovereignty. Who’s been making threats from the United States?

[@levinb1]

@@jocksharerock7318 The US sent Boris over several months ago to Ukraine to personally stop peace negotiations. It’s really that obvious and simple.

[@texazwhyte2791]

Did Matt just make a lot of his narrative up?

[@tatianalyulkin410]

Yes he did. Lies, lies and more lies.

[@maryanchabursky9148]

Nope

[@bruceelisha3017]

Ray Mcgovern just nailed it. It is not joining NATO as such, but the positioning of Missiles aimed at Russia. Kharkov is very close too Moscow.

[@kentprince4851]

@ matt duss. Finland and Sweden have been cooperating with nato excercises for years, so from "Russia's" not Putin point of view Finland and Sweden have been defacto nato members as they have aligned their foreign policies/military with nato and Russia had for years developed plans to counter this strategic cooperation. So, when Putin, did not seem to be bothered, it reflected Russia's already developed counter for "if" and when Finland and Sweden join nato. So your answer like most neocons was disingenous.

[@mikefrancis6060]

Mr duss, you must think we just fell from a tree.

[@Justin.Martyr]

*TrumpPimp*

[@kipincharge2833]

AND THIS GUY WORKED FOR SANDERS the State Dept is filled with polish and ukraine Russian haters 😛 why ww3 could be just around the corner 😝 and I mean all out global war☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️BYE BYE AMERICAN PIE⚒️⚒️⚒️⚒️⚒️

[@realdemocracy11]

This is a big blow to Bernie's credibility.

[@adamjohnson286]

Bernie has become a total tool of the neoliberal imperialists recently. What a disappointment. Tulsi Gabbard is still telling the truth about U.S. foreign policy. She had an excellent interview with Jeffrey Sachs on her new KZbin show last week. I'm supporting third parties at this point, with how bad the Democrats have gotten. I agree with Briahna Joy Gray on that, who's Bernie's for communications manager.

[@kamohelo6418]

This is his guy? Wow

[@robbieelliot9491]

I was shocked too. The peace arm of the Dems. No longer the party of anti war

[@sparky8574]

Anything less than restoration of 1991 borders is unacceptable.

[@wetinbidat]

@RayMCgovern, Thank you. Deep respect for you - smart, knowledgeable, honest, analytical, clear and logical. The difference is very clear, man among boys! BIG thumbs down for Dusty and dumb @mattDuss!

[@nunoa.fernandes6541]

DN needs to have Scott Ritter on!

[@adamjohnson286]

Scott Ritter is too much of a truth teller for DN, apparently. Check out The Grayzone instead of this crap.

[@NeoFreshair]

DN is pro war and I think democracy means to change regime is to bomb and destroy to free people or spread democracy lies!!

[@michaelanthony8780]

Aaron Mate filled in as host on Jimmy Dore show a few days ago and featured Ritter. Also Ritter interview on Garland Nixon Channel.

[@RainerMichelle]

@@michaelanthony8780 they are all very good Russian propaganda channels

[@r.lewisblake7793]

@@michaelanthony8780 Jimmy Dore….🤪🤪🤪

[@loverov1561]

My Godness me, Ray not only speaks Russian and German, he also sings! He also happens to be right.

[@tatianalyulkin410]

He's Irish, isn't he? Sinn Fein my darlings. 🤣

[@EddyLeeKhane]

Matt: Let's wait with peace till more people are dead That's your TL:DR of the interview 🙃

[@huming66]

anyone had looked the map would understand the difference between Ukraine and Finland, Did Matt see the map or just chose to ignore it?

[@tatianalyulkin410]

He stopped being a scholar a long time ago- he's a total fake like McFaul. I've been talking to my Loyalist friends non stop since the coup. My brother talks to his former Rada colleagues as well. Matt doesn't know a single Rebel- yet this clown was advising a Presidential candidate! How much lower are we gonna sink before we stop pushing self destruct???

[@yttean98]

R. McGovern is still as Sharp(his mind and tongue) as ever for his age, esp rebuking M. Duss.

[@seanmcstravick997]

I wouldn’t trust Mat as far as I could throw him. Agenda written all over every thing he said.

[@tombradburn3935]

Think tanks have agendas. Must have results that they are paid to find.

[@hulkhogansgianttaint9451]

2014 and the Minsk accords never existed for hacks like Duss

[@marcywinograd245]

It's heartbreaking to hear that Bernie, who I represented as a DNC delegate, supported retraction of a mild call for diplomacy.

[@Romana6794]

The draft call for diplomacy that was retracted, written months ago near the beginning of the conflict, absolutely should have been pulled in the manner that it was. A vague, mild call for diplomacy in response to the invasion, possibly would have been reasonable when they state was actually written at the outbreak of hostilities. When such a inconsequential

[@ubik8921]

Ray did good bringing up the INF Treaty and the possibility that the US could start talks with Russia on this point. It would be a very easy partisan idea to spin since Trump was stupid to pull out of the Treaty unilateraly in the first place. The Democrats' silence about this speaks volume.

[@LabGoats]

"To re-establish what he believes is Russia's historic right." Is Duss being purposefully obtuse? I hear a lot of people saying, 'Even Putin says NATO encroachment has nothing to do with their invasion of Ukraine.' How are they drawing that conclusion based on that statement of Putin's? For the record I still don't agree with Russia's invasion of Ukraine, I just think there's more to it than most in the West care to recognize.

[@ubroc]

Putin published a crazy "historical treatis" in 9/21 that laid out his insane justification for this unprovoked war of colonization that Matt is referring back to when he says "believe what Putin says"

[@alkebulantoday5133]

Please share the links where Putin made such statement.

[@LabGoats]

@@alkebulantoday5133 My point is that Putin never said that and people are obtusely interpreting his statements.

[@lauriealach1072]

Lab Goats - Care to elaborate on the options Putin had in front of him? Do you care to project what would have happened next if Putin had done nothing? I have my own ideas, but would just like to hear your list of "options."

[@ALEXRUSSIANOCCUPANT]

Your protocol has been accepted!!)))

[@emer6447]

Thanku Ray McGovern and thanku Democracy now for inviting his understanding & sharing of the truth behind this desperate Ukraine situation.

[@williamgras5598]

The arguments from Matt Duss are so fragile they could break with the wind.

[@alxdava2004]

A fart. Is more appropriate

[@oskarfabian5200]

How can you make a deal with someone when you know he will not keep his promises.

[@ALEXRUSSIANOCCUPANT]

What promises have you not kept?

[@ToxicTorgo]

Congratulations, DN!, on bringing on a credible expert like Ray McGovern for a foreign policy issue. I hope this is a positive sign for the future!

[@pbar12]

It's long been known that Ray McGovern is an agent of the Russian Federation. He was outed ages ago

[@r.lewisblake7793]

Ray McGovern seems delusional and out of touch. “I made up the words of the last part of the song”?! What was the song? Why? Jeebus! Not a word on Russia’s brutal, unprovoked attack and numerous dead Ukrainians. I was in Air Force intelligence during the Cold War, no one hated Russians then either. We hated their actions; imprisoning half of Europe and subjugating nations across the world. Most rational people don’t have such overarching ideas about a whole populace. Who and where is this “hatred of Russia and Russians”? I guess the same people that say Putin’s actions and motivations are legitimate and should be acceded to. 🤦🏾‍♂️What a shame I guess if Mr. McGovern were a true voice of peace, he would have ideas how to come about that and actually address the facts that are happening in real time, and not, made up words from a song and details of “Russia hate“.

[@Lunatic4Bizcas]

Indeed.

[@Kalumbatsch]

"Credible expert", LOL.

[@dean77935]

Putin is the aggressor NATO is a response. And a deterrent what part is so hard to understand ? Who cares what Putin wants at this point he's not credible.

[@alvaro.piner1917]

My respect to Ray

[@blentze437]

The US democracy is well known . Democracy means regime change except in the US.

[@BijanTab]

For a foreign policy advisor, Duss is either acting in bad faith or is naive. No great or regional power wants to see a historical ally have "political independence," especially if that "political independence" has been shown to have changed to favor your adversary because of the meddling of your adversary.

[@basilbadra7979]

Duss is a typical Democrat extreme leftist. Him being an advisor to Saunders says it all where the blind is leading an extreme blind. No wonder why our world is in such a mess when such advisors exist and provide I’ll advise to the ignorant such as sleepy you know who.

[@basilbadra7979]

Ill advice and not I’ll

[@BijanTab]

@@basilbadra7979 This isn't a right or left thing- The left were the only vocal critics of the Iraq war and Republicans are only upset this conflict is being directed at Russia and not Iran and China

[@marnellkent3682]

They may not like losing an ally who wants liberty, but that doesn't give the right to invade.

[@adamjohnson286]

He's acting in bad faith. The Carnegie Endowment is a deep state organ- look up who funds it or check out Ben Norton's recently expose of this on the channel "Multipolarista."

[@JD-ve6kn]

this McGovern guy is hilarious but also very reasonable. any guy that sings during a debate is my kinda guy haha

[@stonefruitmedia]

"There's no evidence America blew up Nordstream" Matt Duss Of course there is. God, he's wrong on everything.

[@philipangelo595]

MacGovern destroyed that war crazed imperialist. Way to go Ray.

[@TharpaRinchen]

Happy to see someone like Ray getting invited to these discussions and be able express his views. Also, happy to see most people in the comments agreeing with Ray.

[@waltergoodwin7463]

That’s called fear, not his talking points troll.

[@festekj]

Bernie sanders former advisor seems to completely forget that no pipelines run through Finland. Existential threat is not simply territorial but mostly economical. He is obviously a Simple minded person

[@adamjohnson286]

He's a straight up liar. The Carnegie Endowment is a pro-imperialism deep state think tank. DN, stop giving air time to these dishonest pro-war assholes.

[@davidsnedeker8098]

what a juvenile remark.

[@Elytpa]

He’s not simple minded. He’s a propagandist. He has to stick to the script.

[@delta5852]

Simple is trying to essentialize this to some kind of a black and white issue.

[@Khuno2]

He's employed by a neocon think tank. He knows who signs his checks. Another "blob" person weakening America from the inside.

[@twentyarms]

It's really gross that this toadie used to advise Bernie. Had never heard of Ray McGovern, but he's the only person here speaking sense

[@pechorin5842]

If Matt Duss is considered to be a "foreign policy adviser" for Bernie Sanders, I will seriously question Sanders's capability in International politics. Duss' analogy of comparing Ukraine to Finland in order to "refute" the NATO argument is based on total ignorance: Russian and Ukraine have a way more complex historical and cultural relationship. The key difference is： Many Russians consider Finland as a Northern European country, but view Ukraine as part of the Slavic heartland. The core of the conflict is not about the geographic border, it is about Russia believing NATO is trying to occupy the cultural and historical center of Slavic people in order to threaten the existence of the Russian Federation, which is a very valid concern considering what happened after the cold war.

[@YuriiSheliazhenko]

US-Russia direct talks must be about restraint of NATO, not about Ukraine. When Duss suggests to involve Ukraine in such talks it is only a pretext invented to avoid peace talks and continue war profitable for military industrial complex.

[@davidsnedeker8098]

The Russian Gangsters missed that opportunity when TRUMP lost. So people like you just repeat PUTIN garbage in the service of the dying Moscovite Kleptocracy.. Time toget a couple of extra passports Yurii, the poop is about to hit the fan.

[@davidsnedeker8098]

You apparently do not know that the Russian Federation is second in total export of military goods,and first per capita . . . really BIG bucks. But lets not divert you from spouting the NKVS,err FSB line on preconditions for negotiations. You may have been deprived of the understanding that all the big money in Russia is stolen by the muscovites and their lacky's.

[@YuriiSheliazhenko]

@@davidsnedeker8098 both militarist gangs in Moscow and Washington/Kyiv claim each other is weak and dying. I hope you both are right and eat each other paving the way for decent peace loving people in every country to have their freedom, happiness, and the better world of nonviolent governance without wars, armies, and borders. Merchants of death on both sides of the Atlantic and in Eurasia will bankrupt, remember my words, you can't continue the war forever robbing people of welfare under pretext of lies about so-called existential enemy.

[@raaid85]

perfectly said

[@armandogallegos401]

Ok comrade😂

[@lovegrenv]

Ray , you’re awesome. Keep up the great work.

[@dmitribegood]

If to listen Ukrainian and Russian folklore and especially old folk songs look at their folk fashion one can see how little differences those cultures have at their most authentic level and conclude how much mr Matt Duss really knows about differences between those cultures. He is obviously another one of those prepaid preprogrammed talking heads, not an expert in any respect. Thank you Amy for bringing in such a good specimen.

[@mbsr4414]

Yes. Very well known by Judes and NZI Germany🤔. I think it is true that you guys feel supremacist

[@dmitribegood]

@@mbsr4414 not sure what you mean. What guys feel like supremacists. Can you please elaborate?

[@waiki8223]

Couldn't agree more!

[@suodbarodi5897]

Precisely Putin's stand is same with J. Kennedy's stand about the Cuban missile crisis..Why can't NATO understand?

[@cyrilsimoes8328]

All souls pray for Peace. Allan.

[@dennisg.902]

Ray for the win... we support you Ray

[@hailombanteyergaamaha1146]

A telling discusion and what Ray said is correct. Ukraine cannot be compared to Finland. Ukraine was a core republic in the Soviet Union and leaders came from Ukraine, Russia and Gorgea. What happens in Ukraine has a direct impact on Russia pariculatly its security. The US needs to be careful not to trigger a context for WW3.

[@DAVEBROWNE2004]

I enjoyed listening to Ray, the other guy not so much.

[@peterjensen3076]

07:35; Ukraine separates from Finland and the Baltic states on two important points: 1) The Ukraine border with Russia is more vulnerable, and includes the Black Sea (remember the Grand Chessboard; Ukraine is the pivot to ....). 2) The number of russians and the amount of russian interests (energy and industry) in the eastern Ukraine are huge, and not at all comparable to the situation in Finland and the Baltics.

[@shoora813]

Important difference is - ukrainian nazi regime before Feb 24th was already in war with Russia for eight years, and they was going not only to attack LPR and DPR, but also to invade Crimea. Though this “ukraine-russia” war is in fact ukrainian civil war, where russia was helping russian (or prorussian) part of conflict - “separatists”, and NATO war arming their pocket kiev’s junta. Facing such provocation, Russia had no choice but to start preemptive strike on nazis.

[@kaytss]

3) Ukraine is the location of the massive army that NATO has armed and trained since 2014 (which Russia calls a NATO proxy army) - the second largest army in Europe, behind the Russian army.

[@nyranstanton203]

yeah i think all the major ones are in Luhansk and donetsk regions like coal and steel etc.

[@davidsnedeker8098]

get ready folks, . . . "Russian" is one of a number of slavic languages. "RUSSIA" was not even called 'Russia" until the early 1700s. Ukraine had existed for more than 500 years. Moscow was a creation of the late mongol GOLDEN HORDE period, and paid tribute to the great kahns, before emerging as the dukedom of Muscovy. If it were not so prevalent, the substitution of the Brit/US gloss as factual eastern european/trans caucasion-caspian history, would be laughable. Yet we continue to spread this counterfactual crap,created by americans and brits transfixed by wwi&ii, often without any language skills, to the extent that the nonsense even gets imbedded in computer games!!! Guess what the common language of the UKRAINIAN ARMY is: RUSSIAN!!! That does not mean UKRAINE is "RUSSIA". NOR does the fact that LOS ANGELES is the 2nd largest city of SPANISH speakers mean that it really ought to belong to SPAIN or Mexico. Both the USA and Ukraine are multi ethnic states. There is a free Yale course on the history of ukraine on you tube taught by tim snyder, based on his research etc..he speaks ALL the relevant languages, and reads 10. in particular pay attention to classes 14 and 15. which cover history totally absent from the brit and usa and "russian" curriculum.

[@davidsnedeker8098]

@@kaytss think that chronology over again so you do not appear to be deceptive.

[@excitingworld364]

I'm stunned that this person advised Bernie Sanders. With such gaps in knowledge and understanding of context, history and current implications of the war in Ukraine.

[@timfinn8402]

It shows that Bernie is not a stupid old school commie but has brain unlike Chomsky and Mersheimer who are just priests of an ideology

[@user-dd7pq2to3o]

Bernie is a bit of a goose my man... Pretty spineless as well... Remember when they called his Russia gate bluff and he crumbled

[@heather725]

I agree. This is all a out HISTORY

[@rashmigupta9]

He's simply repeating the msm lies..

[@Time4Peace]

"Diplomacy is necessary but not right now." When? Until Russia is defeated? Until you can negotiate from strength? That's the position of a war-monger! That's a sure way to slip into nuclear catastrophe!

[@alvarez6487]

It is important to note that Matt Duss is seeking a position in federal government. His speech while I empathize with his family resisting Russian Aggression in Ukraine he isn't telling the full story because he wants to appeal to American voters which most often are patriotic and aren't fond on being tough on Russia weather that means escalating the situation a lot worse. Politicians needs to look tough and have to hide their weaknesses. I see Matt Duss developing a political personal than actually expressing his sincere view on Russia-Ukraine.

[@meaghanbrowning8117]

This is the first time I’ve ever heard someone sing on this show! Haha! Love it!

[@jcrios1917]

Man starts singing like what the fuck?!

[@peterchee9781]

Say something

[@MichaelFlynn0]

the singing was good

[@greggasiorowski1326]

@@peterchee9781 He did.

[@coconutmacaroon4907]

@@jcrios1917 The worst part was he kept going. A line or two maybe.

[@richardweiss3931]

There are people who sees a problem and profer possible solutions and there are people like matt who have been trained to say the same thing over and over again like blaming PUTIN at all costs no matter what. They will be defiant in their hate towards Russia even if there are evidences of Russia not being the aggressor. It's just a systemic hate towards Russia. And that hate will consume the Haters and the world at large if its not extinguished ASAP

[@yaoliang1580]

Matt is an insane fanatic of US imperialism

[@kirkha100]

Absolutely agree. Thanks.

[@kiaora7214]

Yeah I thought so too. Duss sounded scripted to me, like he wasn't actually answering the question. Mc Govern on the other hand was speaking from the heart.

[@Kapitananime]

ARE YOU MENTALLY ILL

[@Kapitananime]

@@kiaora7214 MC GOVERN is a PUTIN APPLOGIST

[@fahiemkahn2760]

Respect Mr MC Govern

[@jackbottomly4420]

Ray McGovern was definitely the sane voice in this discussion. His opponent simply repeated Talking Points.

[@mitchgingras3899]

Dear Matt, if NATO was downgraded instead of upgraded after 1991, there Would not be this Ukraine war. Period!

[@drmodestoesq]

Exactly....Putin would have just invaded the small eastern European countries to "den@zify" them.

[@philipangelo595]

Duss is a war crazed imperialists.

[@bk818]

Mr Mitch...that's for sure...even D.Trump proposed this possibility from his mandate... if this were to happen...even then...better late than never... the situation in the world would be completely different....

[@kingboruto6973]

@@bk818 IMPOSSIBLE OUR COMPANIES LOCKHEED MARTIN ,BOEIGN AND RAYTHOEN WOULD TAKE A BIG HIT.BILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT GOES FOR CAMPAINGS WOULD GET SEVERELY HAMPERED.

[@davidsnedeker8098]

The war is not about NATO. The war is about the Muscovites reacquiring control of Ukraines energy, food, and intellectual resources for division among the Putin thug kleptocracy.The model is the Euro empires, that mostly died after WWII. The "Russian Empire" is going thru the herky=lerky of a final last stage of dying, IMHO