How to EQ Your Room with the Behringer X32 (or Midas M32)

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If you are ready to take your mix to the next level, it is time to EQ your room. This is also a great way to solve feedback problems.
Although this technique is somewhat of an advanced tip, I am going to break it down in a way that is easy to understand.
Once you have some basic EQ parameters set to compliment your room, it is going to be much easier to create a great mix.
This video was made specifically for those using the behringer x32 or midas m32 digital mixer.

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@EtOHman
@EtOHman 5 жыл бұрын
Just got our X32! Can't wait to use your tips for our church! Keep up the good work!
@collabworship
@collabworship 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Abe! -Kade
@johnmirabile1137
@johnmirabile1137 9 ай бұрын
This video is right in my zone of proximal development, as they say in education circles (sorry). In other words, it's in my sweet spot. It's perfect. Thank you!
@chriscampbellmusic
@chriscampbellmusic 5 жыл бұрын
If I may make a suggestion, you can do this without an iPad and without jumping back and forth between the ref mic channel and the main mix. Under the RTA screen, use the first encoder knob and rotate to select the 'Use RTA Source' option, and then use the last rotary knob and select your reference mic channel. This will use the ref mic as the RTA for EVERY EQ overlay on your board. That way, when you are adjusting your main mix, you are actually looking at the reference mic RTA instead of the main mix RTA. Whenever you are done, you can deselect the 'Use RTA source' if you want. It is nice to have on during a performance though, but if you are making changes to individual channels it becomes a little harder to use. That is where the 'Solo Priority' option can come in handy (same rotary knob as the 'use rta source' knob). If you solo a channel, you use that channel's RTA again instead of the reference mic. It is really a personal preference thing, but for tuning the room, using the source RTA is really handy and makes the process a lot smoother. I personally do not use a reference mic during a live mix, so I turn those settings off. But for tuning a room, I turn on 'Use RTA source' to make it easier to tune. Couple of other pointers: adjust your Decay to use RMS (average) instead of the peaks, and adjust the Decay time to like 3 sec. This will smooth out the frequencies as 1s usually you see them bouncing around a lot. This will make it easier to see where your true peaks are (averaged out over your decay time) instead of trying to focus on the frequencies bouncing around all the time. If my written notes are hard to read, Drew Brashler did a video showing all these settings and how to enable them. He does most of Behringers X32 and xAir training videos now. Here is the section where he covers setting up the RTA: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gZbdYn9_fceYrLsm59s Lastly, I recommend people start using Matrix 1/2 for their main outputs. You can do the same 4-band EQ on that as you can your main mix, and then that gives you options later to send your main mix to other outputs (for example, a video output, recording, lobby, etc.) If you adjust EQ on your main mix, then all of those sources are now using that EQ. Remember, you are adjusting EQ for your room, not every output. Also, 31-band EQ for more advanced system tunings. You get 8 effect inserts, 4 are stereo returns to your FX bus, 5-8 you can insert to any channel. I set up a stereo 31-band to my matrix 1/2 to mix my room.
@collabworship
@collabworship 5 жыл бұрын
Great tips, Chris! Thank you! -Kade
@shakmwanse8717
@shakmwanse8717 5 жыл бұрын
Was going to make this exact post. Thanks to all you guys at Collaborate Worship for all you do. You are awesome guys!!!
@blueslsd
@blueslsd 4 жыл бұрын
Hi this saves so much time many thanks.
@martinespinoarellano
@martinespinoarellano 9 ай бұрын
can you make a video of this i love the ideas
@skycaserotti8328
@skycaserotti8328 6 ай бұрын
Chris, I am one of those users that prefer to enable the m/c (m/c follow l/r in setup) for my subs as a mono out and use the m/c for my kick, toms, kick, and Spotify channels. Then I bring those channels into the m/c at -0 db. It really makes things nice that the main l/r controls both the main and subs, yet the overall sub in the main mix is controlled by the m/c slider. The l/r and m/c each have their own eq. (subs low cut at 40, high cut at 160, and the l/r does a low cut at 160) If I use the reference mic as source in the RTA for this process, will it work when providing additional eq to each output eq that we use to provide this natural crossover?
@markwinslow1423
@markwinslow1423 10 ай бұрын
great video. Can you do one on how to measure the R60 values in the worship space?
@adebiyioluwagbenga5596
@adebiyioluwagbenga5596 2 жыл бұрын
I love the way you explain this topic. My question is can give me a close result to what SMAART will give? Knowing full well that I do not have SMAART, not planing to get one and do not even know how to use it. Once again, thanks for the great vid
@collabworship
@collabworship 2 жыл бұрын
I've not use SMAART, so not sure on the comparison.
@adebiyioluwagbenga5596
@adebiyioluwagbenga5596 2 жыл бұрын
Since it has being working for you, I will definitely put it to practice. Thanks for sharing
@philgutierrez2238
@philgutierrez2238 18 күн бұрын
Would you be able to make tutorial about setting corporate audio? Using wireless lavalieres and wireless hand held. With X 32Compact or Yamaha TF. Thank You
@bulentdemir4896
@bulentdemir4896 8 сағат бұрын
thank you
@johnroesch689
@johnroesch689 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@rlostraatmusic8622
@rlostraatmusic8622 5 жыл бұрын
Hey Kade! Is there a way to do this with an analog mixer? Thanks for all of the resources you put out. They're extremely helpful!
@jessiefrankgarcia709
@jessiefrankgarcia709 5 жыл бұрын
yes you can. you would need a 32ch eq in between your main LR and speakers if one is not present on your analog board. You can also use an RTA analyzer app on your phone if you don't have software and a RTA mic. You can download a pink noise file from the internet so that you can generate it on your loud speaker. I hope this helps and that others may comment with better info if necessary.
@collabworship
@collabworship 5 жыл бұрын
I'll second what Jessie said. Great advice! -Kade
@olanrewajuadagba955
@olanrewajuadagba955 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much.
@collabworship
@collabworship Жыл бұрын
You're welcome!
@CatalystSM
@CatalystSM Жыл бұрын
I hope you don't mind commenting on an old video. I just discovered you channel and enjoying it. We currently use an iPad during services instead of the X32 itself. I'm not sure why this is, but I'm curious if you recommend this or not, or if it matters.
@collabworship
@collabworship Жыл бұрын
Our mixer does the same thing. He's typically sitting in different places in the room during rehearsal to get a better feel for what everyone else is hearing. They sit at the mixer during service though. I'm pretty sure they will still have the iPad handy, so they can have two different things visible at one time. Using the iPad to move around the room is great!
@babefish56
@babefish56 5 жыл бұрын
I use the x32 stereo graphic EQ in the effects rack, I assume the process is the same for flattening out the EQ and then following the rest of the process while adjusting the graphic EQ?
@Collaborateworship
@Collaborateworship 5 жыл бұрын
You are correct. I know several who prefer to use the Stereo Graphic EQ in the effects rack - definitely a good choice!
@gilariomanaois
@gilariomanaois Жыл бұрын
Hi there..... i managed to eq main LR output during live ...thanks. .... May I ask if I can use this also if I use my X32 in the recording studio? I can calibrate the room coming from the main LR output. But for some reason the control monitor seems like not calibrated? Is the control monitor can be link to the EQ set of the main LR? Or maybe I am not doing the right thing. please help... thanks
@k.m.a.j2402
@k.m.a.j2402 10 ай бұрын
Hey kade! Great video. I’m wondering if we can use any reference microphone or if that’s the one we need. My church isn’t really on a high budget so I was looking at the behringer ECM8000 and was wondering if you think that mic could get the job done. Thank you and God bless you.
@collabworship
@collabworship 10 ай бұрын
Cheaper ones are most likely going to be less accurate, but just as long as your using a "reference" mic with a flat frequency response, you should be good. The ECM8000 should do just fine.
@k.m.a.j2402
@k.m.a.j2402 10 ай бұрын
@@collabworship Awesome. Thank you so much Kade.
@jeanfrancoisnolin340
@jeanfrancoisnolin340 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with the discussions however I would like to know how you proceed to align your subwoofer?
@allendestine3406
@allendestine3406 2 жыл бұрын
Make a separate mix on the board for the sub
@paulmorrey733
@paulmorrey733 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@carlibeguerie380
@carlibeguerie380 2 жыл бұрын
Eventhough it is not specified in the manual, I believe as a DBX RTA M owner that the mic is a difuse mic mic (not direct) so it should be used at 90 degrees, so aiming at the ceiling and not the speakers/stage. But thats just my opinion.
@collabworship
@collabworship 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tip man! I'll look into it and test it out.
@noegonzalez3264
@noegonzalez3264 Жыл бұрын
How do I set my Rta back to factory setting when I’m done my Rta is no longer reading like it used to and I didn’t write down the factory settings now I get feed back and my Rta won’t show where it’s comming from
@danparker1925
@danparker1925 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Kade for sharing your knowledge. My question is I have our mains assigned to matrix 1/2 and our subs to Matrix 3. Should I have the subs on when running the pink noise through the mains and will the pink noise come through the subs, as I have a high shelf turning off the higher frequencies in my subs. If the pink noise do come through the subs, would I do the sub EQ separate of the mains or do them together?
@collabworship
@collabworship 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Dan - Pink noise covers the full frequency spectrum, so you can use it to EQ your subs too. You'll EQ your mains on Matrix 1/2 and your sub on Matrix 3.
@danparker1925
@danparker1925 2 жыл бұрын
@@collabworship thank you!
@benoscar6470
@benoscar6470 5 жыл бұрын
Owsome
@dark-bi7yu
@dark-bi7yu 9 ай бұрын
Is it recommended to use the auto EQ option in the DBX driverack PA2 instead of the regular pink noise process? the downside of using the regular process is that it makes too much noise and sometimes it can be very annoying for the audience at the event if you dont have time to EQ before they arrive Thanks
@davebrownentertainment7191
@davebrownentertainment7191 27 күн бұрын
I found the opposite to be true, as far as annoying people. Gradually increasing volume static/pink noise seems to bother people less than the loud quickly increasing volume swoops that the auto EQ does on the Driverack. Automation is cool, but dirty looks and and people covering their ears is not. Lol.
@markwesley-smith3686
@markwesley-smith3686 2 жыл бұрын
What shape curve are we aiming for? I've heard it said that a flat curve doesn't sound good. The same people have said that a bump in the bass frequencies and a rolling off of the highs is the way to go. What shape do you aim for usually? Many thanks!
@collabworship
@collabworship 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Mark - the sub lows (100Hz and down) are definitely higher than the rest of the frequency spectrum for me. But there isn't a specific "shape" per say. I just look for frequencies that are quite a bit higher (or lower) that those around them and fix them.
@donaldburns4462
@donaldburns4462 2 жыл бұрын
we had a outside audio company install our system which included ringing out the room. I noticed he did this in the effects section using the graphic equalizer This takes away one of two of my effects because they have also use on for my subs. thought?
@collabworship
@collabworship 2 жыл бұрын
Many prefer graphic EQ for EQing a room. Defnitely no harm, just a matter of preference. If you want to free up those FX slots, you can use the EQ on the main mix instead.
@SiQuemaCuhh
@SiQuemaCuhh 3 ай бұрын
Hey Collab W, Wanted to run a test using sonar works. How would I be able to have the whole mix hit sonar works on a computer, return to the x32 and then to the house? I have Dante as well. Thanks in advanced, again this is just a test 😅
@marianogeronimo1484
@marianogeronimo1484 5 жыл бұрын
hi, is the x32 rack mount unit can also do the room calibration? do you have a video tutorial on that too? thanks!!
@collabworship
@collabworship 5 жыл бұрын
Hey Mariano - you can definitely do this with the X32 Rack. Just follow this same process with the iPad app and you'll be good to go. I don't have a video specifically dedicated to running through this process on the iPad app, but all the features on the X32 are also available on the app - you just have to search a bit to find them sometimes. :) -Kade
@jasonmarlowe0
@jasonmarlowe0 5 жыл бұрын
Off topic, what camera/lens are you using? clarity is great!
@collabworship
@collabworship 5 жыл бұрын
Canon 5d mark iv with 24-70 f2.8 lens - thanks for the compliment! -Kade
@grahamf695
@grahamf695 3 жыл бұрын
@@collabworship well that would explain it. You can’t get much better than that!
@Roccondil
@Roccondil Жыл бұрын
It's been a few years since you made this, so you might not see this... However, in an audio system I have "inherited" at my job, the main mix output goes through a DBX processor before hitting the amps. Should I keep the DBX processor in the signal path, or take it out? or should I configure the DBX processor to bypass the EQ it also can do, and just do it all on our M32R console? (note: I'm usually a lighting guy but I'm slowly learning audio stuffs...)
@collabworship
@collabworship Жыл бұрын
If you are happy with the results of the DBX processor, leave it there. But I do recommending digging in and learning what it is actually doing.
@Roccondil
@Roccondil Жыл бұрын
@@collabworship To be honest I am not sure if it is currently set correctly for the system/room... everything sounds fairly muddy... though I am also fighting against a very echoey space (sans bodies/clothing). I haven't quite made heads or tails of it yet (a lot of its features are well above my LX-oriented head). but I'll play around with it a bit...
@philofi2059
@philofi2059 5 жыл бұрын
Are your on-stage mix monitors (wedges) on and playing pink noise too, while you're doing this? I presume yes, as you're trying to address feedback?
@collabworship
@collabworship 5 жыл бұрын
Great question! We actually do not have stage monitors because we are 100% in-ear monitoring at my church. But, if I did have stage monitors, I'd EQ them separately. So, go through this process with mains only. And then go through the process again with monitors only, putting your reference mic on the stage.
@philofi2059
@philofi2059 5 жыл бұрын
@@collabworship Nice, thanks for responding!
@standardracer
@standardracer 5 жыл бұрын
@@collabworship When EQ'ing floor wedges, would you point the RTA microphone parallel to the ground, or at the wedges?
@collabworship
@collabworship 5 жыл бұрын
@@standardracer You'll probably get better results placing it parallel with the ground.
@iamadz1
@iamadz1 2 жыл бұрын
Do you do this for every Output. i.e Front of house and also monitors? For example, would you use a different Graphic EQ for each monitor positioned separately?
@collabworship
@collabworship 2 жыл бұрын
You'll do it seperately for monitors and mains. Your monitors can likely share the same result, but it wouldn't hurt to customize it for each one if you have the time.
@iamadz1
@iamadz1 2 жыл бұрын
@@collabworship Yes, Time and real estate on my FXs rack.
@choz3
@choz3 5 жыл бұрын
We have a Qu 32 from Allen and heath. Is the process the same? And does it have to be a RTA mic? Thanks man.
@collabworship
@collabworship 5 жыл бұрын
I have not use the Qu-32, but I imagine the process would be very similar since it is also a digital mixer. Yes, I recommend using an RTA mic or at least something with a flat frequency response. Otherwise, what the mic hears will be 'colored' and make it tough to properly tune your room. -Kade
@choz3
@choz3 5 жыл бұрын
Cool. Thank you!!
@elyamzon
@elyamzon 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing. I have one question. Is it possible to EQ a room using a regular music coming from an mp3 player?
@collabworship
@collabworship 2 жыл бұрын
Not sure what you mean.
@elyamzon
@elyamzon 2 жыл бұрын
@@collabworship Instead of using pink noise, is there a way to use regular recorded music as the source?
@guizultanski
@guizultanski 4 жыл бұрын
Hi, can I use the same for the monitors in the stage? Thank you in advance!
@collabworship
@collabworship 4 жыл бұрын
You bet!
@fireflyva100
@fireflyva100 5 жыл бұрын
Has anyone tried using the pink noise oscillator and then sweeping each frequency with a narrow Q and a high gain to see what stands out?
@collabworship
@collabworship 5 жыл бұрын
I definitely get where you are going with this. The problem is, the human ear does not have a flat frequency response. So naturally, some frequencies are going to 'stand out' even when they might be where they need to be. So, I definitely recommend using a reference mic connected to an RTA for the most accurate results. -Kade
@ericofori3359
@ericofori3359 2 жыл бұрын
Apart from using a reference microphone can you used any microphone to EQ your church room. Let say a condenser mic or ordinary mic.
@collabworship
@collabworship 2 жыл бұрын
Not really. A reference microphone has a flat frequency response, whereas the others don't. So, using another mic to EQ your room really isn't giving you an accurate result because the mic itself applies it's own EQ before sending the signal to the mixer.
@benjaminnolanfe
@benjaminnolanfe 5 жыл бұрын
We use the x32 compact. It's a little different in the meters. Can you help?
@collabworship
@collabworship 5 жыл бұрын
Hey Benjamin - The X32 Compact is very similar to the full version. Only difference is, the buttons may be in a slightly different place. When it comes to the meters, the one's shown in this video are from the X32-Edit Mac app. So, it won't look exactly the same as the X32 Compact, but you should notice similarities. Hope that helps! -Kade
@aprilyun7365
@aprilyun7365 4 жыл бұрын
So this may be a no-brainer question, but does the room need to be empty to tune it? With being a church plant so many things are happening at the same time. People moving in and out, screens and lighting being set up.
@collabworship
@collabworship 4 жыл бұрын
Hey April - I recommend that the room be set up for worship (chairs set up, etc). But no one should be in the room while you are EQing the room. Otherwise the ambient noise of people moving around will skew your results.
@jfo9821
@jfo9821 Жыл бұрын
Is it best to tune an empty room or with an audience before the service starts? Also, can tune the room using virtual sound check? Thanks!
@collabworship
@collabworship Жыл бұрын
We tune with an empty room because it would be annoying for your whole congregation to sit there and listen to pink noise while you work on EQ. We do make sure all the chairs are out though because they affect the room acoustics a lot. Plus we do the initial mix during rehearsal on Sundays in an empty room anyway. We don't recommend tuning with music as there are so many variables to make it biased. Tune with pink noise like we show in the video and then go listen to your sound check for reference to how the tuning affected the sound. Turn it off and on to see if you got the results you want.
@michaelfarkas2257
@michaelfarkas2257 Жыл бұрын
@@collabworship your microphone and pink noise are just as biased. and in so many situations in so many other fields of audio you will not have pink noise and reference microphones available, not to mention the time to actually set up and use them. but you can always have some music quickly playing from an ipod through your mixer to tune a room.
@luisfreddysperezruiz9094
@luisfreddysperezruiz9094 11 ай бұрын
what is the correct position for the type of microphone dbx rta-m??? Many people say that this microphone should be placed vertically and with the polarity reversed.
@collabworship
@collabworship 11 ай бұрын
I've had good success pointing it toward the main speakers, as the same angle they are hanging. I've not tried the vertical method, but would be interested in how the two methods compare.
@iglesiaalfayomega9624
@iglesiaalfayomega9624 2 ай бұрын
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@ahrensummach9195
@ahrensummach9195 8 ай бұрын
Hi! we're using a x32 rack. On the x32mix app for iPad there is no RTA tab under monitors.... having trouble finding the peak hold and decay settings. Thanks!
@collabworship
@collabworship 8 ай бұрын
Head to the SETUP screen and GLOBAL tab. There, you have a few options for the RTA.
@ahrensummach9195
@ahrensummach9195 8 ай бұрын
ahhh... perfect. Much appreciated. I don't see a decay setting, but trust the whatever the default is will get me through! Thanks again!@@collabworship
@audionapster1
@audionapster1 2 жыл бұрын
How far back of the speakers would be the “listening area” to place the rta?
@collabworship
@collabworship 2 жыл бұрын
Half to three quaters of the way into your listening area.
@eliaspu1
@eliaspu1 4 жыл бұрын
What pink noise frequency are you generating? Is it 1000Hz(1Khz)?
@collabworship
@collabworship 4 жыл бұрын
Pink noise covers the full frequency spectrum. Here's an example: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kInXmqCeiZKZnJY
@guzman171974
@guzman171974 Жыл бұрын
Hello Kade, I stated using the X32 Behringer a 2 or 3 Months, for some reason i did hit something on it and activate the Solo Btn on the Main LR Fader, i can't find the way how to Un-solo, i am unable to use the Main Fader for the volume... if you know how to or where to go on the Mixer and fix this, please help. thanks
@collabworship
@collabworship Жыл бұрын
Hey Jose - Not exactly sure what you mean. Can you clarify?
@EmmanuelBaptistChurchSTC
@EmmanuelBaptistChurchSTC Жыл бұрын
Can I do this with a CAD GXL3000BP. If so which setting should I use? It is omnidirectional
@collabworship
@collabworship Жыл бұрын
Nope. You cannot use an omnidirectional mic to EQ your room. You need a cardioid pickup pattern with a flat frequency response.
@ItzTooSik
@ItzTooSik 3 жыл бұрын
Once flat, when the band goes on stage, what do you recommend us to EQ? Say if it sounds muddy....
@collabworship
@collabworship 3 жыл бұрын
Every room is going to be different. But muddiness usually takes place in the 100-300Hz range.
@ItzTooSik
@ItzTooSik 3 жыл бұрын
@@collabworship Thank you so much for responding. On another video, you recommended us to go to a church that has a decent sound & to observe their EQ curve coming out of the speakers using an RTA mic (with our phone). Do you recommend (as a good starting point) making our curve look relatively the same when we work at our church? I ask because I consider myself pretty good at making instruments and speakers sound good but when the band goes up it seems like I don’t know where to start when EQing the master bus.
@collabworship
@collabworship 3 жыл бұрын
@@ItzTooSik Yep. That's a great idea.
@prismlightning
@prismlightning 5 жыл бұрын
What’s the difference between using the graphic EQ and using this EQ? Great video by the way! 👍
@collabworship
@collabworship 5 жыл бұрын
When it comes to EQing your room, a 31-band graphic EQ will give you a 'smoother' result. But, for simplicity sake, I prefer to use parametric. To ensure you still have a smooth result, keep your Q value around 4. This gives you a very similar effect to adjusting one knob on a 31-band graphic EQ. Hope that helps! -Kade
@prismlightning
@prismlightning 5 жыл бұрын
Collaborate Worship - Awesome! Thank you!
@olanrewajuadagba1291
@olanrewajuadagba1291 5 жыл бұрын
@@collabworship Thank you for this explanation.
@immanueltetteh6232
@immanueltetteh6232 3 жыл бұрын
@@collabworship I'm a Midas user and I must say you guys are doing good and God bless you. I use both parametric and graphic on my main mix . What do you think of that?
@collabworship
@collabworship 3 жыл бұрын
@@immanueltetteh6232 If it works, it works!
@WalkingMichael
@WalkingMichael 9 ай бұрын
We only have an iPad as an interface. Actually, we can view this with 2 iPads. Can we use on instead of the board? and the other as you suggest?
@collabworship
@collabworship 8 ай бұрын
You bet!
@88omarz
@88omarz Жыл бұрын
If I back up the board does the eq get backed up as well? I am thinking to reset and update my board and don’t want to start completely over
@collabworship
@collabworship Жыл бұрын
When you save a scene to a flash drive, it saves all of your settings (including EQ).
@boomerbutler7569
@boomerbutler7569 2 жыл бұрын
Would you not utilize the graphic eq section on the M32?
@collabworship
@collabworship 2 жыл бұрын
You can use the graphic EQ or parametric. Totally up to you.
@patricksheppard6164
@patricksheppard6164 5 жыл бұрын
would you MUTE balcony speakers when EQ'ing the main and visa versa, would you MUTE the main speakers when EQ'ing the balcony speakers.
@collabworship
@collabworship 5 жыл бұрын
Great question, Patrick. I would try it both ways and see which gets the best result. You can save each test as a preset for easy A/B comparison. -Kade
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 5 жыл бұрын
I would try EQing the main speakers first, then bringing up the balcony speakers to see how it affected it. For balcony speakers, I would DEFINITELY have the main speakers on, since there'll still be some bleed from the main speakers that'll color the sound. Of course, time-aligning the balcony speakers is important too, but that's more difficult to describe in a comment.
@derrickwilliamsjr
@derrickwilliamsjr Жыл бұрын
Do you do this again for a separate stage eq or does this one time eq the entire room?
@collabworship
@collabworship Жыл бұрын
For stage EQ, you'll use the same process but different RTA mic placement. Place the mics where the musicians/singers stand.
@derrickwilliamsjr
@derrickwilliamsjr Жыл бұрын
At my church the singers and musicians are on the floor. The pastor/clergy and anyone else who is directing the service usually speak from the stage.
@fernandobanda8287
@fernandobanda8287 4 жыл бұрын
Could you do this with a normal mic just to get you by till you purchase an RTA mic?
@collabworship
@collabworship 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Fernando - You can give a normal mic a shot, but your results will be skewed. The reason is, normal vocal mics have a frequency response that is already adjusted to sound best for a vocal. So, it is going to favor some frequencies over the others, making it hard to figure out what is really going on in your room.
@fernandobanda8287
@fernandobanda8287 4 жыл бұрын
@@collabworship ok thank you very much for the quick reply, I have a gig today. I'll let you know how it goes.
@YourHaloCreations
@YourHaloCreations Жыл бұрын
Is this something you’d do without running audio thru any subs? Just the tops?
@MichaelCurtisAudio
@MichaelCurtisAudio Жыл бұрын
With this technique you would run it through both mains and subs.
@andreagirbaudo
@andreagirbaudo 5 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to do the same thing but using SMAART to see the analyzer from the channel input where is connected the misure microphone by USB connection?I mean, for example, I send pink noise by X32 internal generator in LR, I connect my mic in a channel that will be obviously close to the FOH, but I pick up the signal of of it from USB and send to Smaart, where I can see the spectre and fix the curve by a graphic eq inserted on LR in X32?Thank you very much.
@collabworship
@collabworship 5 жыл бұрын
Sounds like you are on the right track. I don't see why this wouldn't work and sounds like a great solution! Let me know how it goes. -Kade
@JoshCarlsonftw
@JoshCarlsonftw 5 жыл бұрын
Since you have SMAART you should take readings from several different positions around the room and use the average feature to design an EQ curve that is more accurate. Even for those without SMAART, repeat the steps in the video several times, writing down the changes that had to be made to flatten the room, and you should notice some trends in the data. Average the amount of cut on these problem frequencies and apply that average to the mains EQ of your choice.
@mrr319
@mrr319 3 жыл бұрын
Can I use other non-RTA microphone? What is the impact if I do so? Will I get useless result?
@collabworship
@collabworship 3 жыл бұрын
Without an RTA mic, you'll get skewed results. Other microphones have a modified frequency response (vs a flat frequency response on the RTA mic), so they will hear the room with their own bias.
@mrr319
@mrr319 3 жыл бұрын
​@@collabworship Will it solve some feedback problems?
@collabworship
@collabworship 3 жыл бұрын
@@mrr319 Definitely.
@user-ps2jd3qz1b
@user-ps2jd3qz1b 11 ай бұрын
We are about to EQ our room but we are using Presonus StudioLive. I don't believe they have a built in oscillator. Any other options?
@collabworship
@collabworship 11 ай бұрын
You can play Pink Noise from any source. You'll even find it on KZbin.
@Alexandermajor
@Alexandermajor 2 жыл бұрын
Can you do this with a regular microphone with no eq
@collabworship
@collabworship 2 жыл бұрын
A regular microphone does not have a flat frequency response. It accentuates certain frequencies depending on it's purpose. You can use them to EQ a room, but you will get skewed results. It's better to invest in a reference mic.
@utubingallday
@utubingallday Жыл бұрын
What is the best way to do this if I do not have a beringer console?
@collabworship
@collabworship Жыл бұрын
The concept is the same, the process of doing so will just be unique to your mixer. Might try doing a quick google/youtube search and if anyone has made a tutorial for your mixer.
@aaronaustin7760
@aaronaustin7760 2 жыл бұрын
Shouldn't you insert a Graphic EQ on the main mix rather than a parametric EQ?
@collabworship
@collabworship 2 жыл бұрын
Either way. I've done it both ways, and usually prefer the parametric EQ (unless lots of adjustments need to be made).
@charlesamoakoboateng8158
@charlesamoakoboateng8158 2 жыл бұрын
what do you mean by frequency that sticks in your room
@collabworship
@collabworship 2 жыл бұрын
Every room reflects and absorbs frequencies differently. An RTA will help you find the ranges that are out of control, and you can use EQ to balance them alongside the rest of the frequency spectrum.
@charlesamoakoboateng8158
@charlesamoakoboateng8158 2 жыл бұрын
@@collabworship thank you
@goofkirby08
@goofkirby08 8 ай бұрын
How do you do this with a subwoofer on a seperate bus
@collabworship
@collabworship 8 ай бұрын
You'll repeat the same process for your Subwoofer bus.
@nester19811
@nester19811 3 жыл бұрын
Where you conect the micro
@collabworship
@collabworship 3 жыл бұрын
Any open input channel.
@PhiliphGeneral
@PhiliphGeneral 7 ай бұрын
Can you do this with a shotgun mic?
@collabworship
@collabworship 7 ай бұрын
No, it has to be a "reference" microphone because they are made to have a flat, unbiased frequency response. Any other kind of microphone is going to have frequency biases.
@gdebrango
@gdebrango 3 жыл бұрын
Best way to earn an acoustic help
@jondough7777777
@jondough7777777 4 жыл бұрын
More pictures would help
@waiserhai806
@waiserhai806 8 ай бұрын
Btw thanks for the vid. But WE need to See how to doit
@marquisstrongchild7535
@marquisstrongchild7535 2 жыл бұрын
This guy's really handsome though (I know this is unrelated but yeah)
@SamTTV-ib1lp
@SamTTV-ib1lp Жыл бұрын
Please my actually proble EQ the room
@RealKareemTawadros
@RealKareemTawadros 4 жыл бұрын
How about XR16?
@collabworship
@collabworship 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Kareem - you can definitely use the same process on the XR16.
@thebigac102
@thebigac102 3 жыл бұрын
@@collabworship could you possibly make a video? i have my rta hooked up right now and am trying to get it to be the source on my main mix for the rta function to work. im lost. because the rta is also showing the input of pink noise on the main LR mix
@collabworship
@collabworship 3 жыл бұрын
@@thebigac102 You'll want to look at the RTA on the RTA mic's channel when doing this, not the RTA on the main mix.
@noelbulls8628
@noelbulls8628 2 жыл бұрын
So you sacrifice your main eq to tune the speakers to the room instead of using the system processor eq to do this. I strongly disagree with the way you are explaining this. And it also should be done one side at a time then one final tweak with both sides. If it gets done your way you will have boost the heck out the bass and kick drum to make the sound good instead of using main eq on board for the tonality of all instruments and music. Yes sure if you don’t have a processor then you have no choice but to do it your way. But when ever possible advice to use a system processor. Cheers
@collabworship
@collabworship 2 жыл бұрын
I get your point, Noel. At the same time, I've been using the technique in this video for years, in multiple venues, and it always works like a charm. Plus, I have trust issues with automatic processors. Lol.
@noelbulls8628
@noelbulls8628 2 жыл бұрын
@@collabworship I agree with you on that one. I hate the wizards too. When I do the room flat eq I do them by hand using audio tools transfer function software running thru the processor then I connect the board in-line..
@drummaguyhixy
@drummaguyhixy 2 жыл бұрын
just for the sake of less experienced people who may not know the right terminology, this process isn't actually EQing a room its ringing out a room
@collabworship
@collabworship 2 жыл бұрын
Not exactly, but the results are very similar. When you "ring out a room" you turn up a mic until it produces feedback and then use EQ to eliminate it. Then you do it again, and again, until multiple frequencies feedback at the same time. When EQing a room (like explained in this video), you don't use feedback as the gauge, but an RTA. Again, you'll get a similar result. They are just two different techniques.
@CaeSharp
@CaeSharp 4 жыл бұрын
If this is about audio, why mention church? Unrelated and random.
@collabworship
@collabworship 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Isak - Our focus at Collaborate Worship is helping churches with sound. Of course, the sound principles we teach can be used anywhere. We just teach everything from a perspective of running sound during a church service. -Kade
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