worth mentioning that the sprues with predators and sicarians in the launch box has enough turrets to make both kinds, so you only need to glue the sponsons
@batteredwarrior7 ай бұрын
There is only one "i" in *Sicarans.
@tristomand7 ай бұрын
@@batteredwarrior wtf you're right, how have I been reading it wrong all this time ???
@flegab7 ай бұрын
But not on Kratos.
@tensler49388 ай бұрын
Dont forget point defense can shoot a separate target for more effcient shooting, so the niche for hb point defense is potential effiecent actions ie if you want to nuke buildings they can shoot infantry
@editor27668 ай бұрын
I think the fact that HBs can hose down infantry while the tank shootout is ongoing is actually really important. I think most squadrons need 2-4 heavy bolters to fend off infantry , myself. But we shall see in practice!
@enixraghunath7038 ай бұрын
Point defense can also be fired if the unit has a march order, giving fast firepower against infantry units when if you had (most) autocannons or Las cannons you lose all of their firepower by marching.
@Tabletop_Standard8 ай бұрын
A few points defence guns have been a handy defence against infantry charges on a Heavy tank detachment armed with mostly AT I've found that you mentioned
@mateuszkuzio47368 ай бұрын
Will few HB stop charging dedicated melee unit or affect combat result? Yeah...
@EmperorsTeeth8 ай бұрын
I'll be taking Autocannon turrets with lascannon sponsons on at least 3-6 Predators. It's the classic setup from the olden-times, and matches my 28mm squadron.
@Hearesy8 ай бұрын
Im taking a squadron for the same reason!
@unpotatoedsalmon7 ай бұрын
@@Hearesy I'm taking the autogun with bolter sponsons, Because I like em
@evanvaldyke3537 ай бұрын
I think you are underestimating the Heavy Bolter + Melta on the Kratos. To use the kratos melta you have to get in so close you a guaranteed to get charged. Having 4 point defence heavy bolters for clearing infantry and overwatch while the melta does its work
@cyberdan428 ай бұрын
At 14:40 I think you are very wrong. The Heavy Bolter is the weapon to take on the Kratos equipped with the Melta Blast - you'll likely be getting as close as hell to buildings packed with enemy troops and the Heavy Bolters give at least legitimate anti-infantry swarm firepower to prevent the counter-attack. The Sicaran I generally agree, Las Cannon sponsons win, but I can see a reason to take Heavy Bolters because in a knife fight the Point Defence can split fire, so you don't have to concentrate everything onto single targets. The Predators, yes, the reliable and sensible option is 110% all Las cannon stand-off anti-tank Predators squadrons.
@Hearesy8 ай бұрын
Why are you moving melta blast kratos up to a building and there’s troops left afterward? :) (Also, dont waste slots on HBs; support your tanks instead) Still if you want to use HBs, theyre far from bad. Theyre just not worth the slot compared to big guns imho.
@collinnicaise78063 ай бұрын
Just found your channel today and it makes for great listening while painting LI models. I look forward to binging the rest of your videos while I paint my minis!
@neilkirkley15008 ай бұрын
Thanks for another ace video, I'm loving the Legions Imperialis content, im not sure about the Heavy Bolters, i watched a battle report and the auxilia player absolutely mashed whole space marine detachments just with his russes heavy bolters, it might have just been luck/unlucky rolls but they seemed strong against marine infantry at any rate
@Hearesy8 ай бұрын
Nothing wrong with HBs, just there are other, better ways to get anti infantry firepower and less good ways to get AT firepower.
@neilkirkley15008 ай бұрын
@@Hearesy ah that makes sense, I'm kind of liking the idea of a Sicaran squadron with triple Heavy Bolters and auto cannons zipping around and blitzing infantry detachments, just by forcing loads of saves
@horuslupercal99362 ай бұрын
Great show! Much appreciated!
@Toombs716 ай бұрын
Just got my starter box, your videos are very helpful. Thank you
@liveanotheranime35268 ай бұрын
Right now have two halves of Astartes so 6 predators, 4 Sicaran and bought 8 Kratos (2 boxes). 3 Predators: Cannon/Heavy Bolter 3 Predators: Lascannon/Lascannon 4 Sicaran: Autocannon/Lascannon 5 Kratos: Battlecannon/autocannon/Lascannon 3 Kratos: Melta/autocannon/heavy bolter
@cyberdan428 ай бұрын
90% this, the Predators with AC would be the 10% 'meh', but (1) I see the more dice anti-infantry (which ultimately wins the games) option, and (2) it is the coolness OG Predator and not that much weaker option.
@jamiemoresco38858 ай бұрын
Great job , very informative video that's got me thinking about my tanks load outs.
@warkatwargaming23588 ай бұрын
Been magnetising mine for the past week. Should have watched this first lol. The second box is all!! being glued
@Hearesy8 ай бұрын
Magnets are still the best!
@storm66618 ай бұрын
I have just been making my ranges similar! So definitely leaning on lascannons more with most tanks. I think heavy bolters shine on the sicarans though. 3 per sicaran with the 3 autocannons on top make them the best frontline tank imo, infantry wont be able to swamp them!
@mikenorton16218 ай бұрын
Good stuff. Caught this episode while sitting down to paint even.
@brothwood41088 ай бұрын
Ok I was interested in the Nu-Epic but I was ummm-ing and ahhh-ing over how interested.....your coverage is swinging me towards it
@Hearesy8 ай бұрын
Get a box and lets play!
@craigzinkta39886 ай бұрын
Was given the starter box for Christmas and proceeded to grab an extra couple of Kratos boxes and a Thunderhawk. Have no idea how to play, don't care, loved painting all the stuff and surprise for me, fitted out my Predators as all-round Las. Kratos I made 3 variants. Looking forward to playing now. Great presentation on the channel too btw. Will be watching again.
@Hearesy5 ай бұрын
Thanks! Same for me, im buying even if I stop playing eventually. I love painting tiny tanks!
@craigzinkta39885 ай бұрын
@@Hearesy I can see myself collecting a bunch of stuff and probably never rolling a dice
@sneeringbrit64158 ай бұрын
Great video as always! Would love to see some hobby updates once your epic force is good and go.
@traitorouskin74928 ай бұрын
Cheers man. I'm looking forward to getting my force going.
@raymondwright59968 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video. Waiting on the Warhound Titan vid.
@angelicdespot27358 ай бұрын
Thanks, excellent video. Very helpful.
@modeldads8 ай бұрын
Hold on, let me unglue those heavy bolters 😂 helpful vid, thanks
@joehill69168 ай бұрын
I do wonder if the heavy bolters will find a bit more practical use in actual play vs theorycrafting.
@Hearesy8 ай бұрын
Heavy Bolters are fine in and of themselves, but 1 heavy bolter is not equivalent to 1 lascannon. You get a lot more value by taking a lascannon.
@falconiusazurius55728 ай бұрын
Horse Hersey is a great setting. I hope to play Limpialis sometime next year. Maybe we'll do the Dropsite Massage.
@Secretgeek20128 ай бұрын
"The Dropsite Massage"? 🤨 Are you playing Emperor's Children? 😁
@falconiusazurius55728 ай бұрын
@@Secretgeek2012 No, my favourite dudes are Sons of Horsus Loopergal. Emprah knows people manage to take the fluff so seriously sometimes.
@GaryP3367 ай бұрын
yoyo, loving the imperialis content.
@Hearesy7 ай бұрын
Cheers bruh!
@hhwaadmin8 ай бұрын
Really well done
@matthewstratford1772 ай бұрын
Have a question about sponsons. The rules state 1 laz cannon shot for sponsons ( each tank having 2 sponsons ) and 1 shot for a hull mounted laz cannon. So would you only have 2 shots total as per the verbage in the rule book. Or 3 as logically you have 3 of the same weapon.
@martinlanglechner92338 ай бұрын
Don't make the heavy bolter to Bad. Fiering in the movement phase ist very important! I think you will need 1/3 of the the weopons.
@aleopardstail8 ай бұрын
Heavy Bolters are not without their uses, especially once you start looking at probabilistic outcomes not just deterministic. Note however something to really consider is that units don't have to act alone, armour can be given some infantry (perhaps in rhinos) to move with them and keep enemy assault units off them
@flegab7 ай бұрын
Are there rules for WYSWYG. I really dont want make/buy somany tanks.
@SovietSpetznaz4 ай бұрын
I have huge problem to understand Kratos tanks. It says that it can choose Two hull mounted lascannon, Heavy boltor or autocannon. Because i am new to warhammer thing. So i choose lascannon as my main secondary weapons, In my mind i go with what stats and it says 1 for hull mounted lascannon and 1 for spons lascannon. The thing that confuse me very much is text is writen as "Two Lascannon" but on the stats it doesent sayanything that i should add them? So how many lascannon shots do the kratos gets and how many do it reroll?
@drguineapig87558 ай бұрын
I think I’ll run all lascannons on my predator tanks. But for my Sicarans I’m probably gonna go anti-infantry.
@ziqq368 ай бұрын
I'm very new to heresy and space marines and I know they aren't in this video... but could somebody clarify the rules for Rhino weapons? I wanted to build mine to resemble what they actually have equipped but the single bolter vs double bolter lid confuses me. What exactly is the twin linked bolter here? Is it two lids with one bolter or is it the lid with two?
@Hearesy8 ай бұрын
No difference. Im a little annoyed there arent more double bolter ones but it doesnt matter.
@marcmiddleton22778 ай бұрын
I have heard that Heavy Bolters is better to help defend against Infantry charges. I'm kinda split on what to take, so I'm glad you are in the lascannon side. Astares tanks are kinda weaker compared to the Solar Auxilia tanks, atleast for now. I think if you run a Sicaran unit of like 3-4 or more you could run a split load on sponsons. Some lascannons to help with AT or to plink a few rounds if nothing close enough and Heavy Bolters for drive bys or volume of fire if in range. I'm planning to magnitise what I can (excluding most sponsons) and building some multi at first to get a feel for things in game.
@totallycarbon21068 ай бұрын
Thankfully none of the main weapons need magnetising as GW just gives us duplicate turret parts to build both.
@marcmiddleton22778 ай бұрын
@totallycarbon2106 not every tanks does
@enixraghunath7038 ай бұрын
The Omega Plasma is 12" not 14" according to the rulebook
@goforitpainting8 ай бұрын
Cool
@danielmcelwain68418 ай бұрын
What about the Solar Auxilia?
@Hearesy8 ай бұрын
They’l be getting some airtime soon too!
@AdamSaltFPV8 ай бұрын
Psh, all you need is 30 rhinos with havoc launchers. 😂
@Hearesy8 ай бұрын
Rhinos with guns are schweet
@mateuszkuzio47368 ай бұрын
Got to the pretty same conclusion. Exept that Kratos is far superior cost wise to predators and sicarians.
@mrporkio8 ай бұрын
Sicaran plasma cannons are 2 shots not one, the rule book is mis-printed.
@Hearesy8 ай бұрын
Because it was in a prerelease document? Im not sure that flies. And there’s already been an faq.
@mrporkio8 ай бұрын
in the digital edition of the rulebook its 2 shots@@Hearesy
@Hearesy8 ай бұрын
@@mrporkio i guess we’ll see! Would be great if it is that.
@jacklovelock19538 ай бұрын
Just a heads up bud, digital book has the sicaran plasma as 2 shots, which changes things a bit if this is correct.
@bradp64528 ай бұрын
I think the community needs to take a hard line that this game is not WYSIWYG. That barely makes sense with the titans but for the vehicles those guns are tiny and not discernible across the table.
@SimoneDaldosso8 ай бұрын
I really hope not. 😂
@mitchelldorcas96878 ай бұрын
Why not just take the hard stance that the game isn't competitive and you should just play your tanks how you built them. They're not that small. I can see if a tank has a Lascannon or heavy bolter sponsors from across the board. What I don't want to do is just to play the mental gymnastics trying to remember what my opponent said each tank has at the beginning of the game despite what it's built with
@riChchestMat8 ай бұрын
The rulebooks indirectly states the game is not WYSIWYG. It describes Beam weapons as being drawn from the weapon or from the firing model if “the weapon is not physically represented”. Page 78.
@johnmartin77058 ай бұрын
Right now the specialists are expensive so you could put one plasma, missile launcher or assault marine on a base and then have 4 tacticals in the back.
@bradp64528 ай бұрын
@@johnmartin7705 Most classic epic is like 2 missiles to a stand for the devastatiors.