How To EVADE Radar Missiles | War Thunder

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0:00 - Intro
0:55 - Flying Low
2:00 - Notching
2:53 - Notch and Chaff
5:21 - Kinetic Evasion
6:27 - R-27 Problem

[@SeekerHead]

5:21 just to be clear, some planes will rip if you hold the rudder for the entire roll, so tap the rudder control rapidly to prevent from ripping rather than holding it.

[@kommandantkillcode]

Real quick, the slower you are flying while at 90 degrees, the easier it is to notch a missile as well that has CW as their seekers use Pulse Doppler effects to determine their flight path and also resist chaff.

[@kommandantkillcode]

Also, Gaijin gave all of the CW seeker missiles in the game (except the R-27s ofc) the ability to stay active and regain lock after losing it for longer than 3 seconds. The lowest time now, iirc, is 10 seconds. They did this just before Apex Predators.

[@blessthismessss]

​@@kommandantkillcodeThe R-27 didnt get it because it already (and for that matter R-24 to an extent) has had the coding for it months before any other SARH had it. when that buff came to other semi-actives, all it did was make them SLIGHTLY more on par with the R-27s reacquisition tech, but they're still superior to sparrows, 530Ds, etc because not only can they reacquire easier, they dont NEED to even fully reacquire either. they can get data-link guides in to the target's specific vicinity by simply having a radar lock while the seeker itself sees nothing. it'll still guide towards enemies quite precisely until the terminal phase. sparrows could do this if gaijin added the AIM-7P but for some reason they seem very reluctant to.

[@kommandantkillcode]

@@blessthismessss You don't think I already knew that the R-27 had that code? Why do you think I said "ofc"? Anyway, the R-24R also got buffed a bit in that regard during the patch. I'm not reading the rest of your ramblings though.

[@blessthismessss]

@@kommandantkillcode sorry then sir i must have not been able to glean context as to why you said it like that that, didnt mean to anger u

[@GeneralLee2000]

Me personally a warp vortex forms around my F-15 and deflects the missiles, it's a pretty high level strat tho.

[@Thunder-cj4ck]

MUH EAGLE RAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅

[@elkrumb9159]

Thank you Lee, thank you so much, thank you thank you so much for giving what I need to watch

[@halolong5461]

Just make sure you are at mach 2 and then with Alt+F4 key you can create a warp vortex, it's the most surefire way to defend against any missile

[@nicholasgijzen7349]

I have been able to acquire the vortex too. R27er still hit 😢

[@martenkalzen3284]

Tutorial coming anytime soon?

[@immentallunstable111]

It is worth mentioning, that when trying to notch R-27ER, you need to be CONSTANTLY changing your direction - if you fly straight or do very weak turns after notching enemy radar, Inertial Navigation System will just slam the missile into you anyway. Other than that, great job as always, surely it will help some of top tier rookies.

[@SeekerHead]

Good point, forgot to mention that

[@TruthAndReconciliation]

What do you mean change directions though? How do you change directions while maintaining a notch? Just pitching up/down?

[@immentallunstable111]

@@TruthAndReconciliation yeah, and slightly turning towards or outwards the enemy you're notching. This may not seem like much from your perspective, but it drastically changes the course missile needs to travel through to get to you. Especially if you already notched enemy radar.

[@TruthAndReconciliation]

@@immentallunstable111 Ah I get what you're saying. I usually only do that to "tire" the missile out at BVR ranges, I didn't know it helps with notching itself as well. I'll try it, thanks bro

[@commanderkris93]

​@@immentallunstable111so its like phoenix but 20 times better?

[@andreviana5115]

just use the R73 to shoot down incoming missiles, you get 65 of them in the Su27

[@raketny_hvost]

and you'll suck in merge, though you can even with them

[@thechampionawesome1574]

I've tried but a lotta the time the incoming missile is just too fast XD.

[@BroDog555]

6 of them

[@jemuelvegas1991]

​@@BroDog555 It was a joke my guy

[@andreviana5115]

@@thechampionawesome1574 you need some space to be able to do this but it works

[@user-vg5fk3xe3l]

As a student who learning missile engineering in colledge, here is some my experience about evading R27s.Though it's just as tricky as you said, and not working every time. The key to evading seeking missiles is to fool the missle Proportional navigation guidance(PN) for short. To simplying explain this, the misslie always trunning in a specific proportion multiply the line of sight angle (LOS) changing rate.So if you change you heading diction rapidly in LOS angle, the missle will take more manuver to follow your path. So how to change the LOS? A easy way is to keep moving cross line of sight, make S move to cross the LOS ro doing rolling like the video said.so your LOS angle will turning neative to positive then nagative, and the missle will pulling a big G to follow you.But such manuver took time and energy.And depends on situation how much you turn is a tricky thing, too much you cant turn back quickly to fool the missle, too less the missle dont bite the bait.

[@user-vg5fk3xe3l]

Sorry for my bad english, the topic is just too complex for me.

[@derpypotatos4610]

Want to add for notching missiles. Change your pitch and speed to help beat a missile. If you get the launch warning turn 90 degrees and do a dive. You’ll be dragging the missile into low altitude into denser air. You can either try to reach the ground and fly low. You can also pitch back up after you think the enemy missile has used up all its fuel. By doing this the missile is out of fuel and doesn’t have the energy left to climb back up. Don’t forget to use chaff as well. This won’t at close range though. Other options is to pull a UNO reverse card

[@MatchingUser]

I sincerely hope all J-11 users stock grind the F-4C in full uptiers

[@casematecardinal]

It used to be fun once upon a time

[@1degRazz]

even worse is the f4j stock grind, yes you get flares but literally the only planes you can reliably kill are the su25's until you get ur sparrows, and even then ur fighting f15s, f16s, mig29s and all in a plane that cant even keep itself in the air on a good day

[@KaguyasBeat]

It's hard to outmaneuver the ER since it can get its speed so quickly to be able to pull a full 35G's just after launch. Sparrow is generally easier to outmaneuver since it's a 25G missile and doesn't get anywhere near as fast, especially after a fresh launch. The 530D is a 30G missile as well but it kinda suffers for the same reason the Sparrow does: It's rather slow/doesn't get up to speed very quickly. Keeping in mind that when a missile has to pull hard it will bleed its speed as well: The ER as far superior in this department, with the speed and pull.

[@Jaeger_89]

Jaek is the ultimate Gigachad. He's always helping others record such videos...

[@SeekerHead]

I helped him record his simultaneously

[@tobi2233]

Yea he’s a supportive guy

[@SeekerHead]

Indeed he does

[@Nordvikin]

As an F4s User. Thank you. This is very very helpful.

[@DaveyCooter]

Prior to the R27ER, you could pretty reliably fly high while cranking, launch an AIM7 at 10 miles, continue the crank and get kills early game. Now the ER has made that near impossible since its so fast and tracks so well in game.

[@skilz2kil528]

Is good to mention under the kinematic topic, especially in bvr settings, how to aggressively bleed missiles of energy - important if your getting shot at altitude while you have low or no CM's and applicable to all types of missiles. Different to what was shown with corkscrew maneuvers abusing the G limit and track rate of the missile in terminal flight (can be done head-on as shown and also rear aspect on missiles up to 35g) - here you are basically making sure the missile doesn't get to that stage. In short going cold, entering a steep dive and constant cranking (zig zag's) will force the missile into thicker air, create constantly changing lead trajectories and bleed the energy from the missile such that it no longer can reach you where before it could. Also experience with different types of missiles will help in this as the knowledge of rough no escape zone for missiles is highly relevant here (range at which a missile has the energy to intercept a target regardless of manoeuvres or aspect). Generally speaking, absolute min ranges will be for r27E's ~10km's and sparrows something like ~6.5 km. So if you see an enemy shoot within these ranges - even if your already fast and cold aspect - basically your only chance at alt are either hitting a perfect notch or trying actually dodge the missile with a corkscrew or other means. But outside of these you can probably evade them without any CM's at all.

[@user-vg5fk3xe3l]

Yes, you need to fool the missle PN guidance to let it bleeding it's own energy.Zig-zaging and barrel rolling will do this, and before that turn a little bit to lead the missile to trun first.

[@christopherchartier3017]

R-27 seekerhead in game: 💪 R-27 seekerhead IRL: 🫠

[@mich421]

It's a game not to take it too seriously

[@hemendraravi4787]

bro is gonna pretend that early aim7 seekerhead were good irl and how op they were in 2020-2022 wt. lmoa cherry pick n called it russian bias ez.

[@christopherchartier3017]

@@hemendraravi4787 wasn’t talking about the sparrow but go off. Also, no they weren’t op, people just didn’t know how to fight SARH yet since they were new to the game

[@sanmiguel4774]

Bullshit u Keyboard Warrior

[@hemendraravi4787]

@@christopherchartier3017 no lmao irl they literally bluffed 50% of the time and they barely hit their target even if it went , just to miss , dont bull sht here i had the f4e and i abused the sht out of sparrows and easily got a lot of kills with it.

[@lemonade4369]

Whenever I see a r27er coming at 20km. I immediately turn 180 and use the periodic countermeasures. Sometimes it misses u or lose energy when u try to outrun it. Any jet launches one under 13km,u better find terrain or chaff to ur might. You can also use mountains as a shield. Just position yourself close to it.

[@Lxcx333]

I love your voice. Your tutorial videos are so nice to just listen to even i don't actively listen, it's just so calming

[@tt_ttflap]

THANK YOU!!! I have grinded all the way to the Mirage 4000 without having solidly understood this stuff. This helps so much.

[@tokugawa33]

I like the aerofighters assault ost and especially the vaulk reference at end

[@shizouka7088]

highly informative video especially with the demonstation u showed, thanks!

[@skylinex4719]

As a BR4.3 prop plane player, this video was very helpful. Thank you.

[@coopervaneps6123]

as a br 11.3 jet player this video was also very helpful. Thank you.

[@madfoxlabs3436]

Eow, thanks a lot for the video 🦊 It's good to see what works to confirm it. Although almost all my deaths are from R-27ER, and now that they have Nerfed the AIM-54C to make turn EVEN SLOWER......I no longer have a realible counter to the RUssian Menace.

[@The_Gabinator]

Another way you can kinetically defeat missiles, especially in a joust is cranking - turning away from the target while maintaining lock right on the gimbal limit. Then holding that direction for a few seconds, then turning around and doing it the other way. This works at quite long range only. And the advantage over just turning around is that you can maintain a lock, guiding your own missile onto the enemy.

[@danielwang6201]

The R-27ER in game is just complete Russian fantasy

[@sanmiguel4774]

Dont cry us main pssy

[@blanchbacker]

@@sanmiguel4774You have no argument so you resort to “US mains dumb lol” Russian radar missiles are complete fiction

[@2goober4u]

Lmao its only good compared to the Aim-7 which was outdated for decades before the 27ER came out

[@carlbruh6059]

​The Missile would he fine if it had an equivalent. The AMRAAM is the equivalent, yet its no where to be found. Russia has better missiles, and denying it is just bias towards the nation you play.

[@raketny_hvost]

@@carlbruh6059 so these better missiles cannot be dodged easily in fact majority flies near ground? if someone tries to play moighty eegle, then he's gonna catch another 27, and then it's over. and we don't talk about 9m which don't give single fuck about flares, we don't talk about shit flight models of "top" soviets, right? just because we spotted some good characteristics which soviets accidentally have and we're gonna yell about it like fuckin aboosed kids. what a pity

[@zeke3282]

Love your tutorials!

[@Em_Youl]

For enemy pulse doppler radar: Notching To defeat the missile: Cranking (if you also shot a missile) or going cold (if you did not shoot a missile)

[@imainhunter]

That kinetic evasion explains a lot of my sparrow misses, never thought you can do that......then again i mostly play ERs so that's probably why 😂😂😂

[@Skoodelly]

Just shoot down the missile with your gun, if a CRAM can do it then so can you

[@Metagross555]

For some reason when you radar lock a missile, it just randomly loses the lock, so you can't even missile the missile

[@Android_ELITE]

on notching R-27s, the generally good fidelity of US RWR systems is very helpful here, as the vast majority of them at high tier are fully digital and show you exact directions. so, just get that M29 indicator directly on either of your side notches in the display for a few seconds, chaff, and adjust your climb or dive a bit. once that lock disappears, you’re good to go.

[@ymroo8299]

IF and if reliability was a factor ingame, the R27s wont be that of a fantasy missile ingame plus its seemingly unlimited kenetic energy even if it turned almost 20Gs from the target,,, Its just doesn't loose speed apparently

[@rileyxbell]

Another option if you're diving down from high alt is to just turn around and go the other way 😂. I like to do this sometimes go high and towards the enemy team and bait as many people as possible to fire missiles at me. Then i just dive away back towards my team. Good way to waste some enemy missiles. Works even better if you turn on tail smoke. Just have to be careful not to get too close otherwise you'll end up eating a half dozen missiles.

[@Mobius_117]

I want to add a few things not in the video: SARH evasion from rear aspect and RWR orientation. -In the video where you got hit from the rear by Jaek, there was a bit more going on than lack of notch. Me and a friend tested this. SARH accuracy from rear aspect is largely dependent on relative speed, or whether you’re gaining or losing the target. If the attacking aircraft is gaining on you, then the SARH will track smoothly. At that point, your best chance of evasion will usually be multipath if low enough, breaking into a notching position or kinematic evasion provided you’re nimble enough (High AOA, energy and a barrel roll). However, if you’re going faster than the launching aircraft or even at the same speed, a simple drop of chaff will do. You also need to be closer for rear aspect launch (About 13k feet for a Sparrow). -The other bit is RWR related. An important thing to note is that your RWR is showing signals from a 2D aspect. Put simply, the direction of the lock when level is different than when in a roll and the opposite if inverted. More importantly, you usually won’t detect something directly below or above. So when notching in a BvR fight, temporarily level out after your turn so you have an idea of the actual direction. One more thing: Though I’m sure it’s been said either in video or in comments, change vertical direction after notching and chaffing for a second if the missile’s close. The reason is because inertial guidance can still lead it right into the plane.

[@ZeroDim]

For the r27 you can just smack it with your own ir missile pretty reliably works best with R73 but can be done with any decent ir missiles but if there is terrain around abuse it idk why but i barely even see people duck behind a rock, a pillar, a hill, or a mountain its always people flying in a straight like also if you are BVRing and someone launches a missile turn around 180 angle yourself up and turn on periodic countermeasures you will either bleed the missile or it will lose lock

[@SkylightShepherd]

I think they buffed at least the AIM-7F/M and maybe the 530Ds to continue to fly longer than 3 seconds after losing lock in a somewhat recent patch.

[@SeekerHead]

They do fly longer, but if lock is lost for more than 3 seconds it will never track again. So pointless change

[@collander7766]

@@SeekerHeadbasically Gaijin trying to trick us into thinking that the Sparrow might finally be even *slightly* competitive against the R-27.

[@Metagross555]

Oh wow didnt know that part of it, so dumb​@@SeekerHead

[@flatsz]

one thing I'd like to add that's not really relevant right now but probably will be when more ARHMs are added: You can defeat any missile by running away from it, as long as you haven't flown into the minimum abort range (the only missile that has a measurable minimum abort range right now is the R27ER and Phoenix, but the F14 can't track cold targets in pulse doppler so just the R27 🥴)

[@MoisesMartinez381]

I really needed this. I just started top tier well tier 7 aircraft and kept getting a missile in the face. Not anymore 😂😂

[@furretthefuzzynoodle3896]

3:50 you drop more chaff then my plane is capable of holding….

[@alejandropineda1079]

Love the Aerofighters OST

[@planetfun85]

Tnx, nice and simple.

[@SquidCR.]

W video

[@GMan33195]

Its interesting, in your radar evasion video from 2 years ago, the only way to consistently doge an aim7F/M kinetically was pulling very hard one direction then pulling back the other way. The spiral roll would not save you. Now it appears the spiral roll is effective? What changed? (imo i think the aim7F is in a much worse state nowadays and it was a stronger missile 2 years ago.) Curious what your thoughts are on this.

[@SeekerHead]

That precisely the case, the missiles have been changed a lot since then

[@areyou0k98]

Gaijin devs literally admitted to hard nerfing the sparrow into the ground because Russian mains kept complaining about it.

[@arii1834]

hw do i evade taxes?

[@sebastiansilva6058]

If the enemy is guiding from nearly 90 degrees up you will still eat that SARH missile even if you are flying low.

[@norske_ow3440]

Very rare situation, but I also thought it was worth noting

[@lonurad1259]

As someone who plays the mig 29k without chaff at high altitude, I laughed a lot at the r27 rant. Yeah idk what to tell you they're easy to dodge.

[@SeekerHead]

You’ll have to hop into a custom battle with me sometime so you can show me

[@lonurad1259]

If you want. Lonurad8889. Just climb to high alt. I won't lie I was going to respond with a fucking essay but realised even I wouldn't read all of it lol. The short version of it is the r27ER (not the R just the extended range version of both radar and thermal) shouldn't have been added *yet*. Keeping in mind it is made at the same year as the aim120. When that comes next update, the aim120 will likely do the same as the r27 if not better. I think r27s atm are easier to dodge at high altitude atm, then you can get better positioning in the battle to kill the enemies because most people just suicide into the middle of the map and die. If you play it right then you only really will need to dodge 2 ERs per battle and I wanna say like 5-6 IR missiles. Sparrows... yeah. But I am pretty sure it's realistic. Just merely because the sparrow didn't have as good of a motor as the r27er (because the ER came a decade after it almost) My main point is top tier is about positioning not reactions now. And predicting rather than responding. If you know what they're gonna do (aka that su 27 5 miles away is almost certainly about to launch an r27) and you're already defensive, the only thing you have to worry about is r73s. I think the problem atm people are having is surviving the first missile, and then after that trying to kill the other plane. Unfortunately at close range that generally speaking doesn't work. It's more so just surviving the first missile then not giving them an opportunity to fire the next until you know for certain you can fire your own. And considering how much you can do with a gripen atm (one of my favourite jets), you don't really need radar missiles atm because of how people play.

[@poratars3025]

and so @@lonurad1259 was still waiting. . .

[@SeekerHead]

Join my discord

[@preyball3149]

Dosvidania! Забавно, я думал, мне показалось😂

[@snakeyph]

I think there is one more way missing, you kill the enemy first by extend the missile travel length, well not always work easy to do... Somehow I always see people keep flying stragit when head on and of cuz they die. Keep pulling different maneuvers to the radar locking limit. It will try to make the missile react, pulling toward you and make the missile losing energy. Of course, better not doing this when you are using sparrrow and you see a MiG is shooting you, the energy advantage is just too big and most of the time not gonna work...but same missile head on, you can try it to get a kill without dying

[@norske_ow3440]

Basically F-Pole maneuver

[@SirMikato]

How do you do the ab? Cause everytime i do what it says, steam warns me that my Progress could get lost and i dont want to risk anything. Any help?

[@christopherchartier3017]

That is one sexy F-15 afterburner

[@SeekerHead]

Best I’ve seen for WT so far

[@wellski6436]

Someone once told me to turn 180° to avoid R27, personally didn't try it yet, but I should do it

[@SeekerHead]

That can help if you accidentally notch the radar in the process, but most r27 carrying radars have medium PRF modes, which track quite well rear aspect

[@RainbowFrogi]

Weird you didn't mention rockets at all. When fired at by pulse doppler, i just fire my rockets as a dummy and as they are approaching the enemy faster than me, the PD usually locks on to them. Also carrying like 30 rockets isn't a bad slow down

[@dukeofwar1003]

Worst part about the R27s in my opinion is the sheer volume that they get launched at you. I'm a good player. I don't die within the first 2 minutes of the match. By that point, either the entire enemy team is dead, or I see myself getting shot at by 4 Flankers, shooting 2 missiles each. And if I manage to avoid 8 R27s? No worries, they've just launched 4 more.

[@iambendavies]

goat

[@wavervelvet616]

8:08 SU-35. Volk. Splash one.

[@Basicallybaltic]

This whole video is how to notch everything, except R-27R and ER, just pray if those come your way

[@benjaminrobledo5466]

Soviet missiles are absurd honestly...

[@AbstractMedium]

If you are a Russian main and think it's balanced for the R27, I really hope you just take one second and think about the reality. Nothing can compete with it, it's the best missile Russia has pretty much ever made and even then it's super overrated in game. Great video seek!

[@terrandysart3587]

I love how top tier Russia has to have its own section. No bias at all from gaijin 🤦‍♂️

[@admiral_grippe4120]

Can you do tax evasion next?

[@newguyiswinning]

And people wonder why top tier USA is so low in WR but all you need to do to defeat a f15 is to turn left/right while you cant do anything against su27

[@BroDog555]

Can't we just crank and avoid the r27 by running away and making it use its energy to keep turning before it can get to us?

[@SeekerHead]

Yes, but that’s going to be dependent on the launch range. That would require a 35+ km launch, and even then, if you’re flying toward it in any way it has a good chance of reaching you.

[@EggsAndHam.]

Yo that blue afterburner is sick

[@cyclix7]

try using a yak 141 to evade the R27ER, the timing is a lot tighter but its do-able

[@kampfsau9997]

Mentioning the Re-Lock Property of the R27, beiing the only one with a timer longer than 3 seconds. Didnt this get changed a few weeks ago giving the at least the Sparrow also a longer time frame for this?

[@SeekerHead]

No, they made the sparrow not self destruct until 30 seconds after losing lock, but the guidance still turns off 3 seconds after losing lock. So it was a useless change

[@areyou0k98]

Nah that "change" was a lie really lol

[@peterrao1027]

could you post a link of your f-15a custom skin

[@719Y_]

5:55 In fact, you can out manuver any missiles if you are going fast enough, including a R-27ER in any plane.

[@719Y_]

It is kind of a stereotype of war thunder players that the R-27ER can't be out maneuvered, however, as long as you are going fast enough, an R27ER is not undefeatable at any given distance at most altitude.

[@719Y_]

Yet the most effective way to not get slammed by an ER, as always, is to keep your situational awareness so you won't encounter a soviet plane in close range.

[@Metagross555]

​@719Y_ good luck with that, they're like half of all planes in 12.7 matches

[@719Y_]

@@Metagross555 didnt make a difference though

[@antonytsai6611]

I only found out about this a few days ago but you need to be above Mach 0.9 and the missiles is 2-1 km away and do a barrel roll

[@norske_ow3440]

Helps to crank slightly first too

[@jfd9616]

As a su27 enjoyer, i agree the r72ers etc are completely annoying to deal with. Sometimes having russia vs russia is satisfying and annoying

[@Swinq_next]

Tut on the blue after burner?

[@user-ii1xs6pk8w]

r27er should renamed as "BS missile

[@getrextv8005]

what is that skin on ur F-15?

[@yoonseongdo3303]

Roll, elevator AND rudder? I think I'm gonna rip my wings off lol

[@SeekerHead]

Tap the rudder if need be. Yes on some planes you’ll rip if you hold it down

[@YoRHaUnit2Babe]

Remember the term "Radarwave Radiation Bounceback" sending Chaff (swarm of Chaff) into the direction of any missile will severely heighten Your chance of survival. Doppler effect applies to Radarwaves.

[@blessthismessss]

this!!! it helps with situations like if someone is chasing you and fires one from your rear, as any chaff you drop is already inbetween you and the missile. sometimes i find that just spamming it in the right way with minimal maneuvers can oftentimes spoof sparrows and spmetimes even R-27s, especially at low altitudes

[@norske_ow3440]

When I shoot one cold aspect, I’ve noticed much better luck if the target maneuvers cause it pulls the missile out of los of the chaff. The ones I struggle with are the ones that just fly in a straight line chaffing

[@LongTimeAgoNL]

the AIM-7's would have been way more effective if Gaijin would give the NATO planes their proper true-to-life radars instead of the PD "on/off" Russian bullshit they now have. And if Gaijin decides to keep the PD on/off bullshit for NATO radars, they need to heavily nerf the R-27 missiles as they had a hit rate of 1 in 30 and was extremely unreliable, with some Russian pilot reports stating the missile simply dropped from the air shortly after launch or exploded shortly after launch. It also never had the pull the R-27 "public documents" state. It's just severe gaijin horseshit.

[@ImAFatCheezIt]

Can you descend while notching or do you have to be level?

[@SeekerHead]

Change of altitude is allowed and encouraged, as missiles like R27 have INS, so they’ll take a guess at you according your last known trajectory. Changing altitude changes that trajectory and ensure the guess is wrong

[@lynx-alpha2073]

The problem of the 27ER is is buggy coding. Whats suposed to happen 27ER has a 2 stage motor for twice the flight time. Whats actually happening. They gave the 27ER 2 motors so it has twice the thrust it should have.

[@nilychkirilov]

I still can't cope with the fact that the R27E was introduced 8 years after the 7M.

[@krestonkurotani3231]

and here we see the F15 loosing it historical KD ratio

[@Nightwindale]

Can you give the link to the afterburner mod pls?

[@MrHighsider]

That Afterburner is a mod right?

[@mlg1337professional]

Today I have sucessfully dodged r27er for the first time, thx!!

[@Insulino36]

This does not work that good in war thunder, but when notching, you can do a partiall notch, keeping your radar lock in the edge, moving from left to right, bleeding the speed of the enemy missile while maintaining your missile guidance, but since missiles in War Thunder are launched at very close ranges, it only works at 40 or 50KM BVR duels

[@blessthismessss]

i think i realize what you're saying and if i remember right the MiG-29SMT radar has such a wide fov that you can actually do this. if you have it, try sending an R-27 at someone and then put them as far as you can on the gimbal. since the SMTs radar has the widest fov of any radar ingame, you can literally put someone 90° to ur left or right and still maintain lock so long as you stay level and dont roll, thus notching someone as you BVR them lol. its so evilll

[@Error-5478]

I've seen a lot of people evade my sarh missiles by simply ignoring them and then watching my missile blow up mid air after it lost lock

[@shikikanaz4624]

Would notching work in a headon at around 6km?

[@SeekerHead]

As long as you have enough time yes. With an ER it’s very unlikely you’ll be able to turn 90 degrees in time. With a sparrow it’s quite possible.

[@LarySeeAircraft]

What’s the camo your useing on the F-15?

[@SeekerHead]

User skin

[@LarySeeAircraft]

@@SeekerHead sorry I should have worded that better whats the user skin link (my bad)

[@SeekerHead]

If you go to my 1v1 F15 Su27 recent video, it’s linked there

[@LarySeeAircraft]

@@SeekerHead thanks

[@piecemakernoalias1018]

Mfw gaijin gives R-27ER double the thrust so it travels hypersonic speed

[@listopad09]

you said f-15c at 5:03 instead of f-15a im dying laughing

[@osvaldoromeros.7115]

Whats so funny? Like its only a letter mistake stfu

[@Loudward__]

With flares, you can one flare a missile, but with chaff you HAVE to manoeuvre while chaffing. Chaff is aids defeating the missile but does not defeat the missile by itself.

[@casematecardinal]

Well hopefully they make it so you can split drop chaff and flares. Will make things a lot better

[@Bokem44]

Hey how come you have cool blue afterburner

[@SeekerHead]

Custom user skin, it’s a pc thing

[@goliath3413]

the last thing isn't correct. for balance reasons they gave (i think) all SARH around 10 seconds of guidance without lock.

[@SeekerHead]

No, they increased the time before self destruction on the other SARHs, but their guidance turns off after 3 seconds of losing lock anyway. So it was a useless change

[@casematecardinal]

​@@SeekerHead its actually something of a nerf because you won't know your missile lost lock for longer. And since they nerfed the seeker on sparrows into the dirt you will have this happen a lot

[@Proskilljg]

can i have link for that user skin?

[@tavolo2969]

Wouldn’t it be cool to have ECM pods?

[@Statesmensch]

Me when using radar missiles: the missile doesn’t know where it is When a radar missile is locked onto me: the missile knows where it is at all times because the missile will slam into my big hot radar signature

[@CatCombat1]

For me a bald eagle comes and intercepts the missle before it hits me

[@xristshu1342]

What about heat speaking missiles?

[@hugow3266]

Be me in my mig 23mf with 24 flares 💀

[@Gibbo263]

That’s great, but my radar won’t lock or even detect in any mode

[@jedrzejstepien1621]

Yeah... It would seem that maybe, just maybe the russian planes might be biased... Not like they have plane 14 years newer then usa or smth like that....

[@TruthAndReconciliation]

Dumb question, but radar missiles don't care about afterburners like IR missiles right?

[@flynntaggart8549]

i feel like if you know that's a dumb question, you simultaneously should know that answer. afterburner does not effect anything with radar guided missiles.

[@SeekerHead]

No, they don’t care

[@SeekerHead]

Be nice Flynn

[@TruthAndReconciliation]

@@flynntaggart8549 I've never seen anyone address it before so I assumed no but tbh I'm too stupid to understand radar technology fully so I didn't know lol

[@areyou0k98]

USA did build the aim 7 R which was a combination of of radar and ir seeker tracking, but it got phased out for the amraam.

[@saltysteel3996]

R27 (all variants) hit percentage in real life is only 7%.

[@ferrous3262]

and how does this affect war thunder

[@SeekerHead]

AMRAAMs is 13%. Hit % is completely irrelevant when examining missile capabilities/performance

[@henri2058]

7:59 isn't this outdated? I'm pretty sure gaijin updated the amount of time the missiles can be out of lock before exploding

[@SeekerHead]

Yes, before exploding. But once they lose lock, they don’t begin tracking again after 3 seconds of no lock. Only the ER and R24R do that to my knowledge

[@RaptorBaptist]

Isn't it kinda funny how the russian missiles are the only ones that seem to be impossible to notch/flare reliably?

[@cheungleo114]

we are at a stage that we need to teach ppl how to dodge a radar homed missile.... smh