How to Evaluate Modal Cards | EDHRECast 129

Zendikar Rising has introduced new modal double-faced cards... but how do we figure out whether they're good in EDH? This week, we look at the lessons learned from Charms, Confluences, Commands, and more, and figure out how to apply them to the new modal cards from Zendikar Rising!
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[@ArmadilloAl]

44:35 "I prefer the Battlebond lands, and those aren't shockland price" As I type this, Morphic Pool is $22 and Watery Grave is $9.

[@ryanjeska8814]

So.....they in fact, are not, shockland price. Nice.

[@yes.thatjanedoe]

@@ryanjeska8814 lmao

[@seankuhn6633]

Laughable

[@kandjar]

I think there's one deck which needs two of the MDFC, the deck I'm talking about is Yuriko and the two MDFC are: - "Clearwater Pathway": Yurikoh needs to guarantee a turn 1 creature drop which can be black or blue, and this land is gonna be often better than a basic in the wrong color. - "Sea Gate Restoration": a 7 CMC bolt land is just what Yuriko needs!!! ;D Not running them would be a mistake imho.

[@liamvonalt1674]

I was vehemently against all but the dual land MDFC's in Commander... But you've made your case and SGR is now going in my Yuriko deck. Thx!

[@bryanmacdonald8015]

Nobody is talking about bounce lands late in the game to return a spell to your hand

[@seasnek7024]

Underrated comment here

[@CaiusTheShadow]

Wow never thought of that. That's clever.

[@ameenpirasteh333]

The command zone editors who put the picture of Korvold up while Dana was talking is brilliant.

[@antony_ag]

I would like to counter challenge Matt's challenge being Butcher of Malakir and that counter point is budget. I know, as a Korvold player myself, that Dictate of Erebos and Gravepact are better, mana efficiency, but the price is not to the reach of everyone. That's why I believe butcher of Malakir is "Overplayed"

[@maxmartin3608]

At this time: Butcher of Malakir: $1.30, Dictate of Erebos: $10.99 and Grave Pact: $25.00. Easy budget choice.

[@zackkelley2940]

Marty's Bond is another good one if you've got access to white^^

[@plain6677]

Wretched Confluence is one of the few instant draw cards spell for mono-black, which is the reason why I run this card.

[@soleo2783]

Honestly i'd rather play village rites style effects at that point, unless you are playing monoblack with a low creature count, which is unlikely

[@aidanquiett668]

I have to hard disagree about the battlebond lands being anywhere near budget. Morphic pool is already 22 dollars and they will only go up the longer they go without a reprint, meaning they will go from currently shockland or really ally fetch pricing to likely pre double masters filterland pricing. And with that, the new dual cycle is amazing for any kind of agro deck or a deck just splashing one of its colors, and outside that they will end up hurting you late game. Have a very important place but will never be real staples

[@omahonda]

That Temple of the False God joke from Dana is priceless! So funny!

[@cheesycheddars5038]

In my dakkon balckblade deck I often Path to exile my own creature to ramp. You could say that is a modal spell too :D. Great cast, thank you all

[@DrkshdwG]

Am i the only one that thought of the planeshift charms being the first cycle of charms? like Crosis' Charm, Rith's Charm, Dromar's Charm, Treva's Charm and Darigaaz Charm?

[@kylewynne7930]

My first thought as well. The Dragon Charms came out 4.5 years before Ravnica.

[@dus65]

Only the OGs know I guess. I got tilted similarly when Command Zones Jimmy said Kicker first appeared in Zendikar and not Invasion.

[@caligo7918]

i want the rest of the lairs from planeshift and the charms ;)

[@mightyone3737]

@@andrewamann2821 Was here to say this.

[@apjapki]

Dromar's charm is ok. Unlimited counter, Destroy a weenie/combat trick/, discard. Mostly a counterspell but the others are good to have.

[@bigshap2230]

I think the best way to treat the zendikar modal spell lands is as half a land. So if you have two of them you could drop one basic.

[@aklepatzky]

Why wouldnt just drop a basic if 3 life is neglegible?

[@andrewsigrist9981]

There was an analysis that said that the MDFCs are like 2/3 of a land so for every 3 you have in your deck, you can take out 2 lands. That seems about right to me; of course Im not sure this holds if you go nuts and run every single one, but I think as a rubric it works

[@UTUB2kholle]

I'm pretty sure my Gargos deck is interested by Khalni Ambush AND Bala Ged Recovery AND Turntimber Symbiosis. I'll need to take out stuff ^^ In general I suspect mono color decks will enjoy these MDFC a lot more than multicolored decks.

[@michaelpoerio9926]

You guys are turning into one of the best podcasts out there mainly due to your quality conversation, keep it up guys! I like your thought process in regards to the modal cards. I think I like agadeem's awakening in my Meren deck as a finisher/value engine... but am pretty meh on the others. Many MTG personalities are saying to replace your basics, and I think that's the wrong side of the fence. Replace a spell, so now the spell needs to stand independent of the land side, which is the gravy. The dual flip lands belong in 2 color decks only, and this boils down to my River of tears argument. Don't look at it as a dual, but rather a island with upside. In deck construction it gets placed in after the duals... so the card was always a island (side A), but if you need heavy black colored mana at that point, now with the mfdc, you get the almost free choice for the game to say you drew a swamp instead.

[@ripster009]

One good thing with the ones that are a spell on one side and land on the other side is if you have a way to bounce a land you could use both sides that way

[@lukedeal5150]

I feel like they could of mentioned that if you have a commander or a deck that likes to bounce lands or (this being alot but doing ability above and play lands from the grave. I could understand playing more of these if you can pull that all off. So play these lands early and use them for spells later in the game. But that's a lot to hope for.

[@GrimSoulBanisher]

I added Agadeem's Awakening into my Sidisi deck. I have both Ramunap Excavator and World Shaper in that deck and never run into mana issues in my play group. I cast Agadeem's for 10 the turn after a board wipe and pulled Stitcher's Supplier, Apprentice Necromancer, Fleshbag Marauder, Sidisi Brood Tyrant (my commander), Syr Konrad the Grim, Izoni Thousand-Eyed, and Butcher of Malakir from my Graveyard. My Path of Discovery and Embalmer's Tools were both still on the field, so choosing the right order in which to activate the effects was key, but it was basically game over.

[@lewkiz]

1:00:37 28 lands with 20 ramp cards is actually a valid mana base in Commander. We can often replace a land with a ramp card, and the deck will perform better (the 38 lands + 10 ramp cards are fine, but most of the time it is better to run 33 lands and 15 ramp cards instead). The only exception is if we have a high mana curve.

[@jacobgonsalves9093]

I think you make a great point about not taking out lands for the modal double faced cards (MDFCs). As someone who is a 36 land evangelist, I believe that it is important to have a minimum threshold of lands. This is especially true for those who like to use ramp cards that search out basics or lands with specific types. It feels bad to fail to find a land because you took out basics for these lands. Don't be that guy or gal! I personally recommend using the MDFCs to add consistency to your deck. This allows me to play 40 "lands" without having to feel like I am giving up a lot of spells to do so. Cards like Valakut Awakening and Bala Ged Recovery are great because they are effects you would already be playing. I think that a player is foolish to substitute these directly for regular lands. Maybe if you want to add 6 to a deck go to 34 regular lands and 6 of these MDFCs. At very least switch out 50% spells 50% lands when adding these cards to a deck. Example 3 for land slots and 3 for spell slots. Any more is just asking for trouble IMO. Do remember these slow down your tempo. They also get rid of lands that would allow cards like the check lands, battle lands, and reveal lands. Don't shoot yourself in the foot!

[@hunteraro3291]

I really enjoyed the look at these MDFC's.

[@brockpoling9180]

I am feeling the blue and black MDFCs for my Yuriko deck. Swap them out for land slots so that I have a higher hit-rate with her combat triggers. Too many times have I hit with 2-3 ninjas and flipped a pocket of lands at a critical moment in a game.

[@Ian_Dierks]

SAME dude. I immediately put agadeem and sea gate restoration in Yuriko. Both incredible. Agadeem can bring back up to 4 useful creatures for 6 mana. 3 cmc ninja, 2 and 1 cmc unblockables and maybe a 0 cost ornithopter/memknight

[@TheMaskedHero]

Bower Passage is the truth. I recommended it to the crew, but pretty sure after this video went up. Happy to see it was covered, even retroactively.

[@zachevans2220]

I'm not running many MDFCs in my decks, but the ones I am putting in are the ones that I intend to play as a land 95% of the time, with the spell side as a game-winning or emergency option if I topdeck it late in the game. Because that's how I'm approaching putting them in the deck at all, and because it's only one or two cards per deck, I'm putting them in land slots right now.

[@stefanocorno4649]

To properly evaluate sultai charm, think of it as a slightly worse "destroy target nonland permanent" with cycling. I'd be glad to play that anywhere, especially since you'll definitely have more removal spells than just that for stuff that dodges it.

[@eliakimrodrigues]

55:38 There is a good number of instant-speed fight effects in green without restriction at 2CMC: - Ancient Animus (1G) - Inscription of Abundance (1G) - Pounce (1G) - Titanic Brawl (1G) - Ram Through (1G) I don't see myself running Khalni Ambush in my Gargos fight club tribal just because of the flexibility. 3 mana is not easy to hold while trying to develop my board.

[@zachw3548]

True but you could need the land side to build your board in order to use another fight spell later. Most of the playable land MDFC's are worth playing over a basic land just because they are extra spells later on, taking a land slot for an extra spell is great diversity

[@vanessaeve925]

I definitely want to run Ondu Inversion//Ondu Skyruins in my Avacyn deck. I run a bunch of boardwipes in that deck but I need to make sure I hit my land drops. It's a feel bad when I need 1 more land to cast Avacyn but draw a board wipe instead. I like having the option of having it as a land early game, or a board wipe late game.

[@vantharion]

Other cost of the modal lands: If you have something like Mulch, that gives you lands, it'll get a bit worse if you jam 4-6 different modal cards. Now, that can also be a benefit if you run instant/sorcery/creature matters effects, you'll be more likely to hit a card with a helpful effect.

[@Asmith218]

I picked up two of the green mythic flip land for Selvala and Ashaya. Both in a big mana deck can throw something really scary on to the board if you don't find it in your hand And the old emerald charm from visions still makes an occasional one of my decks due to the untap a creature for 1mana

[@thatguycam1989]

The revival/revenge split card is my favorite with a wound reflection effect. Just win baby.

[@maplz9314]

why wouldn't you play a pathway in a three color deck? would you play a basic land, yeah, without accounting for somewhat fringe basic land synergies its just going to be better than if you would have just drawn a basic of one of those two colors. please run these in your 3 color decks you almost certainly have reason to.

[@aklepatzky]

agreed

[@kylewynne7930]

You have 5 dragons from Planeshift that are VERY upset with you for giving Ravnica credit for the first charms...

[@jakeapplegate6642]

Kyle Wynne mirage block would like to have a word with you.

[@stevenluoma1268]

@35:00 Butcher of malakir costs pennies compared to those other two. That's more than enough to make people play the other one too often as a replacement. If money weren't an issue, you'd barely see butcher of malakir.

[@coreyroberson4550]

I've been toying with a Cromat build called "Choices, choices,..." that runs Battlemages, Guildmages, Charms, Commands, and other modal decision cards. Zendikar just offers more options. Is it a good deck? No. But it makes you think - a lot.

[@goesbyAustin]

... why not name it, “Decisions, decisions....” ...

[@CaiusTheShadow]

Kenrith needs to be the commander.

[@coreyroberson4550]

@@CaiusTheShadow I actually prefer Cromat here. Not only is it more random, but Kenrith has like zero interaction with the battlemages. Reanimating a 2/2 with kicker gives you a vanilla bear and no triggers. Cromat seems more interesting if you're not building around the commander.

[@jdogbemple1]

I would run Tale’s End over Disallow because it’s one mana cheaper. Hits commanders and other big splashy legendaries and has the stifle effect. It can literally win games.

[@k9commander]

It's also financially cheaper.

[@andrewhaught758]

What do you think about these Modal flip land cards in a mono red Goblin Charbelcher deck, Its a devil card draw focused deck but the goal is to play the Goblin Charbelcher. There are other win cons, but they are not as fun. I like the idea have lands that don't count as lands to make the Charbelcher better. But is it enough of a change to have 4-5 of my lands be these flip lands? In this deck I will almost always play them as land, but is it worth it?

[@Ian_Dierks]

Have to disagree on the dual faced land/spell cards, especially the mythic / rare ones. I think they're excellent spells given that they fit the deck you are building around. I'm sure people will put them in a deck that doesn't highlight their abilities just because of the dual aspect but there are plenty of decks that these should be auto includes

[@amc6169]

I want to build a five color commander around charms with sunforger as a sort of toolbox storm deck, any commander recommendations guys? i was thinking Ramos or Niv-mizzet reborn.

[@changhyon92]

either that or Kenrith to keep up mana during other player's turns to play the charms or the abilities.

[@eliakimrodrigues]

I'd go Ramos, for the beatdown

[@slawless9665]

Wow, hadn't ever considered Bower Passage before. In addition to G/x/x skies decks, this also fits in Sidar Kondo weenies.

[@beepboopkendo4206]

Anyone from outside the USA don't buy from Card Kingdom. The parcel service Asendia loses 25% of international deliveries

[@שחרשגב-מ4ק]

48:30 ok, while I do agree that player would like to hold them to cast them that is not the correct mentallity. it is what players would do' but it is not correct. As both a cedh player and a casual player, the idea of playing these instead of a spell is wrong' because as a spell these are not that good. The green is not enough cards off the top, the blue is bad (since if you need to draw a lot of cards it means you have no hand so you don't draw a lot of cards), the black one is too high of a mana cost if you want true value off of it (also you want to return multiple big stuff and not 1 big one and a bunch of medium to small ones), the red is too bad of a removal and the white one is just not good. However, when I look on these as lands they make sense in 1 or 2 color decks as you run a bunch of basics, which means that replacing one shouldn't hurt that much, espacially as these enter untapped. But as I said, it needs to come with a mentallity of "This is a land. Not a big spell. The only time this is a big spell is in a top deck. This is a land". And as you play with this mindset, these kind of make sense even in some cedh scenes. Like the blue one actually makes sense inside a kinnan deck for example.

[@sawderf741]

Bala ged recovery gets a lot better in my Omnath deck when I later bounce with my bounce land.

[@54m0h7]

No mention of the Visions/Mirage charms? Ok, can't blame you, those are terrible.

[@Asmith218]

i still use emerald charm in selvala for the 1mana untap. beyond that many went into my binder back from my first few packs ever and never moved

[@kingfuzzy2]

I absolutely love them.

[@Gulaghar]

I mostly agree that the MDFC dual lands are not the best options, but you guys are missing one place they are extremely welcome. Enemy two colour decks. There are still, to this day, far fewer dual lands for the enemy colours. Usually those decks are light on dual lands, so I'm happy to play these every time.

[@Cole444Train]

Yaaas Joey, Naya Charm is best charm

[@codywilson4938]

Love your show!

[@VampiricGamess]

Had to take the pathway lands from my lands maters deck because it lacks the land types making the land non fetchable sadly.

[@tmakalpha1]

Have y'all done an episode on spells or effects that scale up or down depending on how many opponents? For example, Field of Ruin being ok for spot removal but ramps two opponents; Vicious Rumors to discard 3, mill 3 (Rankle and Tinybones loves this)

[@dus65]

Idk how I feel about that Butcher of Malakir CTS...I know the guys aren’t elitist or anything but I think budget is a consideration as far as getting that effect, 0.94 vs $6 vs $17 is significant. The question should be is that effect worth running at all independently of similar cards. I’m also not sure why the uncommon flip land cards aren’t held to the same logic as the mythic ones, don’t you also want to save those cards for those spells and therefore be hesitant to use them for land drops like they said about the mythics?

[@danaroach29]

The argument is some of the non-mythics are good enough to run as spells, that maybe can be lands if you need them, vs the mythics where the spell-side isn't generally anything good enough to run spell-side up. They're lands that might be a spell, vs spells that might be a land, or at least that's how we separated them in our minds.

[@danaroach29]

I will note that I think the more competitive your meta the better the mythics get, because the three life is largely irrelevant in an environment where everyone tends to die simultaneously regardless of their life total. There the opportunity cost of paying three life is largely nothing. They're just ETB untapped basics that could maybe be a spell. It's probably all upside there, even if the spell is mediocre.

[@verlandes1]

I have Tangled Florahedron in all my green decks, a real gem.

[@JordanBurdette]

Are you guys sure there is actually a way to leave a review of the podcast through Google? I'm not seeing that option anywhere.

[@Genkenaar]

Question: How do these cards count towards X instant/sorcery/create/lands mechanics? For example you play one of these as an instant and goes into graveyard, you have a creature that says X/X lands on battlefield + graveyard and a creature with X/3 instant + sorceries in graveyard, how do you account these? And does it matter how they were cast before entering the battlefield?

[@jasonholmes5714]

They are only ever one card type, and that’s the front-facing one. If they’re played as a land, they are a land and not a spell. If they are in the graveyard, they are not a land card. One “exception” is that with an errata to Crucible of Worlds and other identical effects, you can play them as lands out of the graveyard.

[@Genkenaar]

Jason Holmes my Tatyova deck has 3 cards to play lands from Graveyards, so that would be really cool if you could play them as land from graveyard, then bounce land to hand and play as spell.

[@jasonholmes5714]

Genky yeah, it should work like that.

[@danielac5696]

I feel conflicted about the mythic MDFC lands. On one hand, they're reasonable lands that help you always hit your drops that aren't completely garbage when you draw them late, but on the other, the spells just aren't all that exciting in a vacuum. Personally, I think Turntimber and Agadeem's effects are good enough in creature decks to add that little bit of consistency and flexibility, I think they'll feel pretty good in practice.

[@empurress77]

The model lands are really good for early game mana fix and in later game bounce and return effects are great with them. Against some decks the fact that you can store a spell in play till needed is great. Also with Crucible of worlds (etc.) the play the spell, then play the land is also great.

[@suikodin2501]

Their front face is not the land. So they aren't lands in the graveyard.

[@empurress77]

@@suikodin2501 True. the crucible only works on the two sided lands. The return any and all permanents in graveyards to play/hand and return all cards to hand from play/graveyards are still awesome with them though :)

[@mechaelbrun-kestler3868]

I hear the using a spell slot for the double faced lands argument and for commander decks that use huge top ends that makes sense, but for any low to the ground deck a land past 5 is a dead draw. The point of running 36 (I run 33 normally for the 33% draw) is that statistically you want your opening hand to contain enough lands to get off the ground. Also I would run these spells if they were more interesting, they just feel lack luster to me.

[@mechaelbrun-kestler3868]

Giving a little thought to it, because the lands are tap lands Im going to say my intial thought is incorrect, maybe the mythic lands can be land slots but it does encourage bad behavior for newer players

[@andreusemanuel4868]

I think I you play the white mythic one. Making your creatures indestructible costs like 3 mana, and making 2 4/4 Angels by no means cost 4 mana. So I think its deece on the late game, make your creatures indestructible and swing. One ModalDoubleFacedCard that I think it's good too it's the blue one who get spells from the top of your library. If you're playing spellslinger it's a good card just to have and a good card to copy

[@krisdaschwab912]

Agadeem's Awakening is a free roll in my Liliana tribal deck. Worst case scenario, it replaces Grier Reach Sanitarium and I have enough card draw anyway. Best case scenario... zombies past? Like Seasons Past but for zombies.

[@couver2997]

Would the land/spell cards have been too broken if they made them so you could play them as a land and then later pay the spell's CMC and cast it? You'd be going down a land as a downside and the spell aren't too broken or powerful.

[@fredouellet3160]

I don't agree you should count the new spell/land cards as land always. If you only have 1 in your deck, yeah sure. But if you have 4+, you should actually balance them. I personally like to count them as both and be able to have a deck with more lands while having more spells also!

[@felixbillington6151]

Love your videos keep it up

[@Cole444Train]

Uhhh battlebond lands ARE shockland price

[@zealous944]

most utility lands aren't easily fetchable. I think only being able to choose one mode with these new lands is not that big of a deal once your mana gets past a certain point in games and I personally like them better than check lands. Those only come into play untapped if you have a corresponding basic where as these always come into play untapped. restricted fast mana is better than versatile mana. Actually sit down and evaluate just how often you NEED a dual land to develop both mana types. Early to mid game only.

[@HereWeGoAgainLED]

Glad I just built a sygg, river cutthroat deck. Going to be drawing cards off of anyone playing those bolt lands.

[@seasnek7024]

Evan Davis haha I’m doing the same thanks for the idea

[@joles72]

I think to replace another land that come into play tapped with some of these modal cards...

[@francescognerre2408]

i mean, id love to case return of the wildspeaker, but the rules committee said that mardu commanders cannot have green spells :(

[@crawdaddy2004]

I haven’t watched the entire video yet, so I may have to delete this if it’s been addressed. It’s not that I’m necessarily unwilling to pay the amount of mana for an effect, it’s whether the effect - alone - is worth a card slot.

[@arjundargula9355]

My zendikar packs were awsome!

[@jackhumphries4692]

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[@MasterP86]

The modal dual lands i wouldn't mind putting then in the place of a basic land, but the others untapped dual lands are surely better and priority picks in face of these modal lands.

[@thatguycam1989]

I count modal lands just like I do for cards like Treasure Map. 1/2 land.

[@chrislloyd4388]

I think you guys are really underrating the power of the modal lands that can come in untapped. They take up a single land slot for a potentially huge payoff, or they are just another land. A single basic land that acts as an extra spell that just takes up a land slot is just too powerful to ignore. Being able bolt yourself to have that land come into play untapped when you need it to is just another potential game winning advantage these cards have. Coming in untapped is just huge. Turn 1 plays being enabled by a 7 mana spell is absurd.

[@derekludwig3945]

I think you're probably looking at modal duals the wrong way if you're comparing them to single-faced duals. Yes, a traditional dual is probably going to be better once its cost is paid, but these should be compared to basics, as Dana did, since they have no further cost whatsoever beyond losing the basic type. If you don't have or can't spare a basic slot because of the way your deck works, don't run the modal dual. That simple. Otherwise, it's free real estate. Well, unless the single price settles somewhere ridiculous.

[@derekludwig3945]

Consider also the set we're in. It's a great time to be building around lands, and in some cases, these will be objectively better than a single-faced dual. For example, I'm wishing Jund had gotten the full treatment this time around, since I'm working on a Windgrace deck that wants lands constantly moving in all directions between hand, battlefield, and graveyard. I can tap a modal immediately and repeatedly for whichever color I want because I can move it for free, getting value with each zone change, whereas most single-faced duals are going to tax me in some way each time if I move them from the battlefield and replay them. That's an edge case, I think, but so is being worried about pulling out one Plains, Island, Swamp, Mountain, or Forest to get the in-game choice of "almost either" of two of them.

[@ty_sylicus]

Bower Passage is so strong in my Dragonlord Atarka deck.

[@patrickbaillargeon7568]

Not really a fan of the CTS this time around. Butcher seems like a pretty obvious trade that's likely held back by budget and the red card kind of ignores some of the points this episode is making on modal cards. 4 Mana to destroy a creature, artifact or land?? I also wish CTS had four cards talked about, one for each of the cast and one chosen by the community through a submission

[@indingoh]

Bower Passage is flyers can't block your creatures, not your flyers can't be blocked. Still a good card, though!

[@jakeapplegate6642]

indingoh if all your creatures fly then they can only be blocked by reach and there isn’t a ton of reach out there in commander.

[@charlesboucher2370]

Wretched confluence literally lets you draw as many cards as mystic confluence. You have better card draw in blue than the mystic confluence as well

[@ryanjeska8814]

The other modes are literally worse than countering and bouncing. You have better card draw in black than Wretched Confluence as well.

[@charlesboucher2370]

Yeah those are good points. I just meant they draw the same amount of cards because they mentioned being fine with using mystic command to just draw 3 cards

[@Titanreaver616]

I think the decision as to whether you place MDFCs in spell or land slots is determined by the deck. In commander, being a hundred card singleton format, even tuned decks tend to be prone to the occasional mana issue. Some decks are more prone to flood and others to screw. It may sound crazy to go down to 28 lands and a bunch of MDFCs but if you deck is prone to flood, it may not be. Similarly going up to 50 lands sounds bizarre, outside of landfall of course, but it might not be if your deck is more prone to screw. Decks which require very little mana to do their thing, and have limited land tutoring, like mono not-green for the most part, tend to be more prone to flood since you have to play a large amount of lands just to get the few land drops you need. But also decks that require massive amounts of mana to do their thing but only have the one thing, mainly colorless, and some mono green also suffer from this problem. Conversely decks which require a large density of spells to function, require a large amount of different mana colors, or have a high number of moving parts tend to be more susceptible to mana screw. I can't think of specific colors at the moment but I tend to see this most when in more casual combo decks and things like equipment decks because they require lands creatures and equipment to work.

[@ApexZer0]

I wrote in about borrower passage a few months ago:/

[@braddtheodd3390]

Austere Command is really good against Superfriends decks tho.

[@ManaTubeMtg]

Kusko,Isma and Kronk would be happy of the first joke😂 we ofter use that movie in our You tube channel😂

[@robertrobley2975]

Or put Bower Passage in a flyers deck....... just saying, I have a Tasigur flyers deck it would go GREAT in.......

[@gysahlgemuse7208]

But but... you can't cast lands with Jeleva, Nephalia's Sourge, but big splashy sorceries you can.

[@eliakimrodrigues]

That's a good point

[@dam49365]

I use path to exile as ramp in mono white. Hey, i play agadeem awakening and play it as a land from my graveyard. Lmao in muldrotha you can play them 2 times and then as a land

[@zapsdiputs]

Disallow is my favorite counter of all time I have to say.

[@stevenluoma1268]

Holding up 3 mana feels so bad...

[@zapsdiputs]

@@stevenluoma1268 If you're not normally a blue player, sure...

[@soleo2783]

​​@@zapsdiputs i feel like tale's end is almost always better in that spot, at least in commander

[@DUES_EX]

Guys I’m a Boros player and we all know in commander Boros is the weakest color pair! Please do a episode on how to improve your boros deck! Think of it as a challenge. Please and thanks, a fan.

[@eduardomtz9916]

Only People that watch the stream will remember "Grift"

[@kandjar]

The anonymous grifter!!!! :-)

[@henrymaloney4766]

Bower passage says creatures with flying CANNT block creatures you control not creatures with flying can’t get blocked

[@NECROLORDZ]

Does this channel do deck reviews? I'm having trouble trying to fix my enchantress deck. Also, the mythic modal lands miiiiiight find a home in my Windgrace.

[@ПавелГлум]

[@TrueTgirl]

After the last few weeks all I know about these MDFCs anymore is that I resent wotc for inflicting this blight upon my playgroup's general discussion.

[@rockets_meowth]

demystify is the W destroy an enchantment

[@kamakazi339]

AND WHEN IT ARRIVES I WILL SMASH IT WITH A HAMMER!!!!!!

[@Dubi264]

I feel like the mythic 2 sided cards are good in a land slot in 2 color decks. In 2 color decks you won't run as many other shocks so the 3 life is less important and the lack of fixing is not an issue either. Particularly though the blue one feels like it is a card I would play without the land side.

[@fearanarchy]

*Ramos Lucky Charms Deck* Basically the entire podcast, but *.dec

[@jackkingsman2758]

Bower passage says "creatures with flying can't block creatures you control" and not "creatures with flying you control can't be blocked" So it's intended flying hate instead of support.

[@diegoindaalamos5642]

You seem to not understand how flying works...

[@jackkingsman2758]

@@diegoindaalamos5642 I do, thank you, but it literally says: Creatures with flying can't block creatures you control Only flyers can't block your stuff. You can even see it in the art and flavor text. A passage flyers can't get to. So no flyer support

[@diegoindaalamos5642]

@@jackkingsman2758 So let my ask you a question. If you have a creature with flying and this enchanment, how it can be blocked (apart from Reach which is not a common ability in edh)?

[@jackkingsman2758]

@@diegoindaalamos5642 Yeah but why should you run something to give your flyers additional evasion? And this card is still intended as flyer hate, even if you can use it that way. If flying does n't work, do you really need additional evasion in your equation? I just don't think it's to useful

[@diegoindaalamos5642]

@@jackkingsman2758 I agree with you that is not very useful . But still its flying support if you run a lot of flyers(like Dana said in the podcast), a very niche support though.

[@robertbauerle5592]

I think they’re off on how to treat the mythic modal spells. I think those SHOULD replace a land slot, while the ones that enter tapped should be spell slots. I think the mythic ones are obscenely good - almost no opportunity cost for running them over a basic of the same type. Obviously, the more colors you run the worse they become, but for mono colored and duo colored decks I think they’re basically free includes.

[@ty_sylicus]

The Mythic MDFCs are quite boring and I hope I don't pull any.

[@rashakor]

The missed opportunity with the modal duals was that they should have been basic lands and hence fetchable, walkable, etc... as is, like they mentioned they are fairly weak and really only useful as puntual replacement for one basic land in a 2 color deck

[@Murrdurrurr]

You guys are totally wrong about the Mythic modal lands. You made a big point about the Rare and Uncommon cycle taking a spell slot, and quoted some "intelligent guy" saying that they are spell slots in standard. That makes sense for Standard where 3 life is a real cost, but the huge advantage for the Mythics is that they 100% do take a land slot in EDH. You're playing them as lands over 75% (Maybe even like 90%) of the time. There's next to no cost in EDH for playing them untapped. If you're life is too low, then the odds of you actually needing a spell that affects the board go up, or you can still just play them tapped as an absolute fail-case. Not being basic is a miniscule downside in most decks. Joey has has Cabal Coffers bias. Most two-color or mono decks have room for these. Compare them to any teir-2 nonbasic land that taps for colored mana (or colorless ones like Reliquary Tower). Now imagine instead of that decent little effect, that land had "7 Mana, discard this card: LARGE EFFECT NOW" if you're desperate. It hits on a different axis than every other nonbasic, while also being perfectly satisfiable as a land. I don't know how you can say that a land that enters the battlefield untapped and adds colored mana doesn't take up a land slot. If you were to see it as such, then you'd realize that having a big, janky spell on the back is very good for when you're in a pinch. I don't think it's right to assume that players are going to foolishly hold on to them as spells when the land drop helps them. Ironically, I also think you're overhyping the Uncommon and Rare cycles, excluding the one or two that are basically best-in-class spells. They're probably still good, but the Mythics are doing something better because of the land slot thing. All five Mythics are guaranteed EDH staples on the level of Teferi's Protection, where price will be the only reason to exclude them.. While the others will be played in specific decks.

[@Chrysaries]

I can't believe the Pathway discussion. How many basics are you running in 3C? I run like 10-15. Swap out some basics for Pathways! You won't fail to find basic land types because you still have 7-12 in the deck. It IS a strict upgrade unless you are constantly facing Blood Moon and all the other situational situations you brought up. They are just strictly better! Why would you need to fetch them? You can fetch the other 20-30 lands no problem. The typical deck won't ever run out of those

[@mfitkin]

Yay everybody said Twitter normally :D