How to FIGHT BACK against The Fandom Menace - The Fandom Initiative

[@TurfNationYT]

Come join The Fandom Initiative! Let me know you thoughts on the video: www.youtube.com/@FandomInitiative

[@MsJayjkern]

Definitely subscribe I tired of all these grifters videos make fandom look horrible. Glad to watch someone then these rabbit holes of negativity

[@lukespillman1313]

This video is spot on.

[@marcoa6319]

Thank you TurfNation for making this channel on KZbin. You’re one of the best content creator s that I’ve seen that can refute toxic fandoms and provide insightful positivity. I also recommend checking out the KZbin Channel “Star Wars Explained”. To me, they are the pinnacle of what a fandom should be.

[@toekneebeeears]

I don't understand why they bother you so much. It's not depressing to be a fan at all. How is anyone stopping you from liking what you like? Welcome everyone? Will you welcome people from the "Fandom Menace" ? What effect does the "Fandom Menace" have on others are you talking about? "They don't want Marvel to get better" So you admit that Marvel is bad now? The writing is bad BECAUSE it's woke. The "Fandom Menace" DOES encourage debate. None of the woke commies want to debate them.

[@elsamariahertervig6171]

I couldn't agree with you more, I joined. I am so sick of those grifters who claim to love Star Wars, but do nothing else than shæt on the very thing they claim to love, and they make money doing it. I believe the SW grifters are afraid of change, they fear that Star Wars is changing, change is a part of progress and life. Like Yoda said "Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering."

[@Owlyross]

Positivity is the absolute antidote to the sheer hate of the Fandom Menace. Subscribed and will totally support this. Being a geek used to mean being positive and enthusiastic about the content we love, let's get that going again!

[@TurfNationYT]

So great to have you on board! Please remember that you can always let me know if there’s anything particular you want me to talk about, or if you have any constructive criticism. I want to learn as I go and I hope everyone here can help with that:)

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

Negativity is basically their fuel to sheer hate of the Fandom Menace channels and their audience.

[@bryansteele832]

The fix is to just de-monetize their channels

[@aaronolson2234]

This is being positive? Devoting an entire channel which espouses even more negativity and hatred here on youtube? No thanks. Why don't you start combating the perceived negativity you feel by doing creative acts instead. You guys are as bogus as those you are railing against.

[@funkydanieluk]

Why does it bother you that someone doesn't like the things you like? It makes it feel like you are a bit insecure in your feelings.

[@_CPP_]

*bangs the table* THANK YOU!

[@ShadowSonic2]

Because they're vicious and promoting dangerous reactionary views.

[@Kryptic_sx]

@@ShadowSonic2 no they are not they give they’re thoughts on shows and movies

[@ApricusInaros]

Do you only talk about things you hate with your friends (like the FM) or do you mention sometimes things you like? Exactly!

[@nah....6151]

@@Kryptic_sx actually they are, ever read their comment sections? Loaded with far right people who hate LGBTQ, women, ethnic minorities, etc..., those guys pander to the alt-right demo

[@Paraludic]

Thank you, AF, and Organised Chaos for doing this. Fandom has always been a place for people to share their passion for media. I believe its this passion thats made fandom menace people so defensive and protective over something they love which they feel has come under "attack" by wokeness. Having a space free of anger is exactly what the Internet needs to remind people that fandom is and was always about having fun.

[@TurfNationYT]

Exactly I definitely think it started as a desperate attempt to protect their fandoms, but now it has just escalated. We definitely need a more positive space and hopefully this can be that

[@msdm83]

You got to admire how they commercialised being weird angry losers.

[@mickyodell]

I miss the time when all you had to do to be a fan was just to really like something. Now you have to hate certain films or dislike certain things to show you’re a true fan. Nerd communities have become really toxic and it’s sad

[@TurfNationYT]

Yeah it’s so depressing being a fan of something nowadays, it just sucks all the enjoyment out of liking something, especially when meeting other fans should be something to celebrate and have fun with

[@SocialismKills]

I only hope that you far left psychos - socialists, communists, antifa, democrats, labor, greens, groomers, pedos, marxists - won't go postal again in this century and won't kill another tens of millions of people like you did only a few short decades ago in Eastern Europe and in Asia. I am from a country that was invaded by the far left psychos like you, they called themselves progressives too, back then.

[@Chuck_EL]

@@TurfNationYT as a black nerdy comic geek in the 80s as a kid ...I'll say these channels are NOT fans , they are grifters who are working the "movie fans pretending to be comic fans" The ones who latch on to comic movies then pretend to be a fan, you can tell when you've watched the rise of geek culture that blew up the the late 2000s The geek culture was the only space for minorities, women and loners in the 80s because we all related Anyone crying about "wokeness" aren't real comic geeks

[@roccosfondo8748]

Unfortunately there is not much to like. Everything is a remake/reboot/sequel/prequel/spin off of something that has been created years ago. Usually the result is poor. I would very happy to see some new ideas in the movies or in the series or other media but there are not.

[@LindseyDean-hp7qg]

That's what happens when toxic politics infiltrates a field. Same thing happened to the conspiracy field.

[@HeroVillan5]

I like how you point out people who have been down that path before those content creators by myself went down that rabbit hole of number times in the past.

[@kristofercarter9470]

For me, I am glad that I got out of the toxic Fandom Menace they are sad and just damn crazy I am happy that I unsubscribed a lot of toxic people of the fandom menace geeks & not gamers and all of them and now I watch more shows like dc and MCU and star wars nowadays and big thanks to you and your friends you guys open my eyes thank you.

[@costelinha1867]

The Fandom Menace just.... drains you, and your love for Star Wars, with their constant whining. Like bro, I get it, you hate the sequels, but that shit ended years ago. It's time to move on already.

[@kristofercarter9470]

@@costelinha1867 yeah, they just cannot let this go they are trying to hate on anything about MCU and DC and also Star Wars they are like kids nothing more nothing less.

[@costelinha1867]

@@kristofercarter9470 Couldn't agree more. And it's just exausting.

[@kristofercarter9470]

@@costelinha1867 yeah crazy my thing is if as Fandom Menaec if you don't like it don't watch it is not that hard to do they just rant everybody to a lot of money.

[@costelinha1867]

@@kristofercarter9470 Pretty much, the only reason why I don't ignore them even though I don't watch their content, is that they also spread so much hate that it's genuinely harmful, to the point where harassing staff involved in movies has become normalized.

[@musket_mcgee]

I wonder what happens to a lot of these reactionary channels when movie and any other storytelling medium gets better beyond “divisive”. Those kind of channels only exist because people don’t like what’s being put out and are looking for a reason why. I hope I’m not repeating anything already said in the video lol

[@silentsaturn7604]

The films have nothing to do with it. Just a bunch of sad people being riled up by grifters, so they can feel like they belong.

[@pinedamartin5767]

It happens when the fans like the movie or serie and you watch them trying to force "woke" readings in them. It happened with Andor.

[@TurfNationYT]

I think they would honestly keep going, but if enough people could see through their charades, then they’d be making their rage filled content to no one anymore

[@yugandharjanardhan6466]

Yeahhh because they mindlessly hate everything involving women ,right? Like how they all hated the house of the dragon, Righy?

[@silentsaturn7604]

@@yugandharjanardhan6466 HoD was lucky that it aired alongside RoP. They'll get to it, once one of their favourite male characters is killed in a, what they deem "disrespectful", manner.

[@Piratesi666]

I wholeheartedly agree. Thank you so much for your videos 🤘

[@TheBostonboy95]

We gotta remind them that criticism is ok. I hate hearing “you can’t criticize this without being called racist or homophobik, or misogynistic” Iv trashed Disney sooooooooooooooo many times and never have I been called any of that, cause my main critique doesn’t involve gender or skin color

[@SuperMurray2009]

Exactly. We need a better open platforms for people to speak their minds on criticisms. I seen a lot of use that as a defense to trash Black Panther any chance they get.

[@costelinha1867]

And also people need to remember that their opinions don't hold any more weight than anyone elses. I'm sick of people treating their opinions on media as objective facts.

[@Chris47629]

Exactly, it’s not their opinions that pisses people off it’s their attitude that I don’t like

[@TurfNationYT]

I completely agree. Whenever Disney puts out a statement calling out the few racist fans, I know I’m not one of them, even if I don’t like the character too. Criticism is perfectly fine, as long as our attitudes towards it and how we present it is positive and constructive

[@SuperMurray2009]

@@TurfNationYT Hey Turf you got a discord? This is a big discussion I want to talk about

[@lukespillman1313]

I’m with you man.

[@TurfNationYT]

Awesome, welcome on board!

[@lukespillman1313]

@@TurfNationYT thank you. 👍

[@aliminator1310]

The hate and negativity is actually WHY I turned away from these channels! Almost every time I saw one of their videos, it was negative. It was always so hateful all the time, to the point where I just couldn't take it and left for more positive circles! Luckily, I already had a few good channels that I was subscribed to, which made it SO MUCH easier to escape!

[@TrialOfCinema]

Sweetie, we are not trying to spread hate or negativity, that is not true one bit. Calling criticism negative or hateful isn’t a good excuse. So what? We supposed to like every single movie no matter what? No, that isn’t how it works, there are movies that need criticism, whether you liked it or not. We not anything you call us, we are just trying to show how movies these days have been doing horribly. Please sweetheart, don’t make things up.

[@Scooby-Doo_420]

@@TrialOfCinema No one claims that you have to like every single movie. It comes to a point though when EVERYONE is saying the same thing and it is clear there is a narrative being pushed by the other fringe side. Richard C Meyer just put out a very thoughtful series of videos on this same issue, specifically with movies. The director of the Mad Max films has never been contentious with fans, or participated in "sjw" politics, etc. Yet his latest film is being called 'woke" this and "sjw" that by all the usual suspects. This makes no sense. Valid criticism would involve something more specific like "I dislike the color grading and how it changes too much in the film" or usual complaints about bad writing -- without the realization of how hard it is to make a decent story fit into 90 minutes. It has gotten so bad that these same "critics" never can admit they are wrong (which they have been much of the time: KK being fired, the stupid "No One Asked For This" argument, and so on) and also fail to point out the creative issues in their own camp: the overwhelmingly poor state of Comicsgate books and lack of quality content in the Fandom Menace's youtube channels. No one is making anything up in current year 2024, except maybe your side.

[@TrialOfCinema]

@@Scooby-Doo_420 You think we don’t give criticism outside of it being woke? No, we absolutely do, forced representation isn’t the only problem in these movies. The Batman, may have some woke content, but the amazing interpretation of Batman and the characters, along with the writing, visuals and style outweighs it, making it a fantastic movie. The problem is people like you are trying to say forced diversity doesn’t affect a movie when it does. Just look at the Little Mermaid or The Acolyte, the “diversity” done in those movies/shows are forced and just unnecessary. You are misunderstanding what we are doing.

[@Rip_Noobly66]

⁠@@TrialOfCinema bro you think those youtubers want these films to get better?? no, because they would lose all their popularity and fame, there built on spreading hate and negativity about newer movies, give disney a break, give the CGI department a break or whatever it’s called, they’re working with the best they can, and so what the little mermaid chose a black actor, bo ho cry about it, plus the acolyte was pretty solid man, you guys are always calling out the bad and never focusing on the good, don’t try to make up any further excuse, the fandom menace has been corrupting destroying the Star Wars franchise ever since 1977, when C-3PO was quote “too annoying” or “ohhh we don’t want a kiddy kid character, we went scary adult more gore” you guys said the same thing about the Ewoks, but lucas himself roasted all yall man babys, Star Wars was always a kids franchise bitches, you guys also harassed Jake Lloyd, who was a FUCKING child, and amed best almost committed suicide for all the criticism for playing jar jar binks, so don’t try that “Oh WeRe HeLpInG tHe FaNdOm” excuse, no no.

[@shakeemdiggz2354]

​@@TrialOfCinemaall you did is prove his point. Y'all cry and complain all day long.

[@sapphire6734]

I agree wholeheartedly with this and as your friend I'll do whatever it takes to help you with this

[@TurfNationYT]

I really appreciate this, I know I can always count on you!

[@Anchorcornholio75]

Hey where you been you block me on everything is something up

[@run2cat4run]

It’s silly since the point of wokeness is to fight the injustices of the world

[@steamboatwill3.367]

@@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115 ) how can "they" be "weak" but also "powerful"? what are you even fighting?

[@4891YT]

It's Orwellian. Social justice supporters need to take back the word "woke" from reactionaries and take back other words that have been robbed of meaning and blended together into interchangeable pejoratives. It's easy to demonize "social justice warriors" and attack social justice in general with the excuse that it is not social justice in general that you are attacking as long as no spokesperson is present to clarify the real point of it.

[@steamboatwill3.367]

@@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115 ) then who is the "weak" and who is the "strong"? Maybe that they actually speak up makes them "strong" and that you just whine against them makes you "weak"

[@ActualFandom]

Wow you sound like a lunatic. Who’s being “slaved”? Take your meds dude. ​@@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115

[@steamboatwill3.367]

@@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115 ) you're the ones demanding canceling.

[@JohnKill3DGaming]

Someone recommended me your channel and felt that channels like us should stand to together against the fandom menace, I have stood against them for a long time and it’s good to see someone with a larger audience try to stop them.

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

Yeah. Finally, someone said it. The Fandom Menace is overstaying their welcome.

[@JohnKill3DGaming]

@@poweroffriendship2.0 I would really like to team up on a podcast with turf sometime.

[@angelartcritic7846]

​@@poweroffriendship2.0 the Fandom menace isn't a group, it's a idea. To make your feelings heard, to call out bad writers . To dislike a video or comment on it isn't toxic. I find it funny if you don't like a movie your automatically called toxic. Or if you say the writing is bad your called a nazi. That's what started TFM. Being called names for not liking a movie. So we fought back.

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

@@angelartcritic7846 Calling someone any "-ist" words to deflect criticism in filmmaking is one thing, but trying to harass the writers alongside with the actors and directors isn't going to make Star Wars a better place. Still, The Fandom Menace is one of the most toxic fandoms of all time and Star Wars fans would be better off without them. I still think the sequels fell flat and underwhelming, but I don't think I would ever trust some 40-year something adults crying over a film/TV show they don't like.

[@ellicel]

I’m glad you’re trying to carve out a place where fans can gather and exchange ideas and opinions in a respectful way. I’ve subscribed and will support your efforts. I had mainly just avoided any interactions on social media and stuck to watching reviews from only 2 creators. With Andor, a lot of those channels haven’t been so vocal so it hasn’t been depressing to search for new voices talking about the show. I’ve stumbled on truly awesome creators that focus on explaining the lore or deep diving on different aspects. It’s been great hearing from people in the comments section who are just sharing their theories and opinions, not relentlessly bashing the writers/directors/actors. I hope this initiative succeeds!

[@Jdeadevil]

Honestly, it really is exhausting. I've basically resorted to just clicking "don't recommend channel" because these people aren't even worth it. Hawkeye and Shang Chi were excellent, but nope, got to put it down because it has a woman in it or the main character is Asian.

[@costelinha1867]

So true... I can relate so badly.

[@ellicel]

So true. And even if the show isn’t amazing there’s still things they’re doing right. Nothing is 100% awful. I just would watch a few channels but it hurts that the narrative that most non-fans hear is how toxic fandom is. With how awful real life can get the last thing anyone new is going to want is to get close to something that has such a negative rep.

[@costelinha1867]

@@ellicel Indeed.

[@skybite]

If they want anti woke heroes, they got Homelander and Stormfront.

[@steamboatwill3.367]

@@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115 ) you don't know what "woke" even means.......... all superheroes are woke.

[@steamboatwill3.367]

@@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115 ) don't you have to be stupid somewhere else?

[@steamboatwill3.367]

@@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115 ) you're too stupid.

[@skybite]

@@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115 you just described Stormfront as an anti woke super hero

[@ShadowSonic2]

@@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115 You must have hated X-Men cause Xavier was in a wheelchair.

[@dragon_ninja_2186]

Yes thank you! Finally someone is saying and doing what needs to be done!

[@bob-1980]

In the words of Optimus Prime, “In the name of freedom, we take the battle to them!”

[@jacktadash]

In the name of Prime, 'give me your face.'

[@bob-1980]

@@jacktadash indeed

[@tirionrezzar7447]

Freedom lol, explain how KZbinrs giving their opinions are taking away your freedoms lololol

[@cybersoldierforever]

@@tirionrezzar7447 I have my own freedom as do you.

[@yourenotmarywelcome8693]

@@tirionrezzar7447 - These people are broken. Severely. They literally can’t see the hypocrisy. Everyone must agree, be polite, consume product, enjoy product, share enjoyment of product with others. They’re more happy to be conformist little robots at the behest of Big Corporations.

[@MysticMindAnalysis]

This is why I talk about High Guardian Spice so much. I genuinely love the show, and feel that it's many great qualities have been overlooked thanks to the fandom menace barrage, and Crunchyroll's poor funding of original shows. This isn't to say that there aren't honest critics who think the show is bad, far from it. But what I want to do is build a better standard for critique around shows I love, giving them honest evaluations and celebrating what they get right. There is so much more to media criticism than just "X is Woke and therefore bad", and I want to encourage this good-faith criticism.

[@southparkking2]

Honestly I hope this fandom initiative succeeds. We need more people discussing art without the hate that misguides what improves it into something that destroys the need for creation itself. Keep being cool and sure you guys will make it happen.

[@leftifornian2066]

It won’t

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

I hope it does. After all, the Fandom Menace overstays their welcome.

[@Kryptic_sx]

It won’t(I like that)

[@MrZiggens3]

It didn’t!

[@NerdettesNewsStand]

I think this is a wonderful idea, the problem I see is building it on a sand foundation. When you have someone vehemently peddling debunked allegations and attacking a single different opinion. it wont work, great idea though.

[@ActualFandom]

You’re still going on with your nonsense? You know everyone thinks you’re an idiot right? It’s funny how you’re constantly talking about me and yet I forget you exist until I hear you’re still obsessed with me and continuing to suggest bullshit without a shred of anything to back it up. Either provide some evidence or leave me alone bc it’s getting kinda stalkery.

[@georgerussell2057]

proper research is the key to winning this...i.e Tristen once made a video about brie larson and her NFTs...but didn't realise that Johnny depp also had NFTs even more than brie larson does...

[@ellicel]

I think it’s about providing an alternative place for fans that just want to geek out together. I don’t think it’ll work to try and “debunk” pet theories. A lot of those negative channels focus on the nefarious secret intentions of the writers/directors/producers/actors. They spend so much energy looking at these people’s personal lives instead of on looking at the works. And everything is just the worst with absolutely no redeeming value. That’s not even good film criticism. I think there are channels whose bread and butter isn’t dependent on outrage. I hope this initiative is about making those more visible so that fans have a place to go enjoy being nerds again.

[@jaredomalley1208]

100% spot on mate!

[@costelinha1867]

One piece of advice I have for the initiative, is that while you should make videos standing against the whole grifter youtuber stuff, you should also make sure to sprinkle in some positive content, like just talks about shows you guys love, or stuff like that. Otherwise you might fall into the same pitfall of channels like geeks and gamers, who claim to be about Geeky and Gamer stuff, yet every single one of his videos is just him reading an article while spitting his own political ideology to his audience, (Which is ironic for the guy who keeps saying "Keep your politics out of my entertainment".) while not a single one of his videos is a more positive talk about the stuff he loves, hell I remember once people straight up ASKED him to sprinkle some positive content in between his regular content and he just shut it down. That's just my opinion tho.

[@TurfNationYT]

Yes this to me is a really important aspect to me that I really want to establish. As much as I want to call these people out and expose them, I also want to make content as an alternative to them. It’s why I’m trying to find a balance

[@costelinha1867]

@@TurfNationYT I'm sure you'll find it, you aren't alone after all, not just because of viewers like me supporting you, but you have literally other youtubers teaming up with you as well.

[@angelartcritic7846]

Have you ever watched a OC video. His entire channel is built on attacking other channels. I find it interesting the term grifter is used as its hate video after hate video, grifting off the grifters. If you can't ignore them then you are the exact same. Producing hate videos for clicks. Anytime you go after another youtuber your doing it for clicks. If they didn't want the clicks they wouldn't monetize it.

[@velociraptor4you3291]

What you’re talking about here? *THIS* is what I’m for 💯%! 👍😉 Let’s bring back *_POSITIVITY._*

[@sekirothegreatshinobi2332]

Honestly, i see us Fans with common Sense as the Doomslayers, and the Fandom Menace as the Demons. And we will rip and tear until it is done!

[@cybersoldierforever]

I now try to ignore.

[@TurfNationYT]

It’s the only way!

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

**Doom theme song plays in the background**

[@thestarkknightreturns]

Seriously, how are we even paying attention to losers who call themselves "Critical Drinker", "Nerdrotic" and "Geeks and Gamers"? Ignore them. They are just trying to get back at their no-doubt bullied childhood by bullying everyone else on KZbin. That's just sad and shows an ill adjustment to adult life.

[@Isaacthebiggestmoviefan57]

Yeah I totally agree we should fight back

[@BeNice108]

Fandoms are just fine the way they are. The trick is to find people you get along with, not necessarily agree with. "The Fandom Menace" is already the most inclusive, because they don't exclude people for their takes. They may mock/criticize your ideas, but you're allowed to have them. Without getting kicked out of the community, as long as you have the personal backbone to share them. I'd rather deal with people that aren't always polite, while allowing you to say what ever you want. Than the people that will claim "inclusivity", only to shun or straight up ban you for being against their politics.

[@sciencefantastic]

You do know that the Fandom Menace was at the center of a racist harassment campaign against The Rings Of Power’s casting of people of color, right? You do know that The Fandom Menace was formed among other things because they believed that white actors were being “replaced” by “social justice warriors” that they claim makes media worse somehow, right? The Fandom Menace traffics in views that are mired in racism, prejudice, and regressive ideas that should not be tolerated in any context.

[@Wolfgulfur]

Round of applause for you sir. Cheers! 🍻

[@QuEsT_X]

I miss just being able to be a nerd, i miss when being a part of comics and those stories were about bringing ppl together. Comics always reflected the social times and they taught lessons of forgiveness, growth, hope & finding a way to over come. Sadly the nerd community has been Saturated by some opportunist who used us to fund this grievance culture ... I hope it gets better it's exhausting how dark things have gotten

[@chrisrevel2801]

The comics that are supposed to reflect " current times " are failing because they are divisive

[@isaiahkayode6526]

@@chrisrevel2801 it “Failling” in your mind comics has always been diverse and political you just too blind and delusional too see it for yourself when you read them.

[@chrisrevel2801]

@@isaiahkayode6526 they used to sell a lot more , that is all I said . Making superman a gay climate change activist isn't appealing to a large audience

[@isaiahkayode6526]

@@chrisrevel2801 first it’s Superman son Second it’s cover art it’s in every comics nothing like that actually happens for story wise.

[@chrisrevel2801]

@@isaiahkayode6526 but using that for marketing lead to less sales

[@ravastarkskywalkermcqueen95]

THANK YOU SOOO MUCH TurfNation WE NEED MORE PEOPLE LIKE YOU! People who want to unite and connect others and NOT divide and conquer.

[@TurfNationYT]

Yes! This is so important. I hope you stay around to support in the fight:)

[@ravastarkskywalkermcqueen95]

@@TurfNationYT I sure will. Because there’s nothing more satisfying than seeing the light.

[@devmag52]

Then Hollyweird should make better, less divisive, product that pays due respect to what came before. Or better yet, and I’m spitballing here, make new material to allow them to shovel whatever “message” they want. Problem is, no one will pay for it, just like we are witnessing en masse lately. Normies are catching up, and how.

[@ShadowSonic2]

@@devmag52 So you're mad when outdated things get updated.

[@StamfordBridge]

Just stumbled on this and hearing you spearhead such a thing is a balm to my soul. I love it. Subbed.

[@FANTHEORYTV]

Hey man, came across this vid and I gotta say, it is incredibly refreshing to find a like-minded youtuber. You've earned a subscriber and I'd love to collab with you one of these days! I would love to join your Fandom Initiative! 😀

[@houragents5490]

I just don't like grifting no matter who's doing it

[@Ghee_Buttersnaps]

-Go Woke Go Brock- 🙅‍♂️ *_Go Fash Lose Cash_* 🙆‍♂️

[@yourenotmarywelcome8693]

@Gurranqq Eye and Claw - Nope. Apparently we’re the fascists for refusing to give real Fascists our money. I am starting to be concerned now. These people legitimately have broken brains. And it’s kinda scary.

[@ShadowSonic2]

Stay Asleep, Stay a Sheep

[@ravifonseca8]

Fantastic idea man. Consider reaching out to Pillar of Garbage and TSD Talks cause I believe they hold the same sentiment. I'm all up for it cause I see more and more people repeating those behaviors from the FM, and hating on new and progressive shows, but they don't even know why (some don't).

[@angelartcritic7846]

Wanting good content to be good isn't a rabbit hole. Wanting LOTR to respect the lore isn't a bad thing. Wanting She hulk to have good writing isn't bad. And pushing back and making our opinions heard isn't toxic. It's our right as fans. You mention grifters yet you partner with OC whose whole channel is reaction to youtubers that are more successful. He is being bitter, not better. You should want everyone to be successful and realize we all have different ideas, if you want your initiative to succeed drop the inclusion and diversity buzz words. Automatically a turn off

[@ShadowSonic2]

"Respect the Lore" = No women and no nonwhites. She Hulk is good, it just isn't for Fragile Broflakes. The Grifters get their funding from Altrighters who want to enforce a Reactionary Agenda.

[@nickswain1426]

I mean, if you can’t work out why fans are so upset with what Disney has done to Star Wars in killing every single Skywalker and Solo whilst a Palpatine is alive in the Galaxy…I don’t know what to tell you pal 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@TheAdam1995]

A very noble cause indeed.

[@mysterykiddo2167]

What I dislike about these kind of channels is the fact that they are super quick to judge things the moment they’re revealed

[@puffinpie]

I used to watch a lot of reviews and rant videos on mcu, starwars, arrowverse, dceu. Its funny to sh*t on things. But one day I thought these people don't seem to enjoy watching this content. Then why do they keep watching it? No one is forcing them to watch it. They don't seems to have much comic book knowledge, or they didn't follow the earlier story line, or basic knowledge about how this fantasy world functions. Its just dumb.

[@roccosfondo8748]

Actually I follow those so called "toxic creators" and I must admit that they approve some show sometimes. Why do they watch the shows they don't like? Well, because it's necessary if the content you create is mostly made of reviews.

[@casperryborg4869]

Wait a sec, didn't that Gary dude own a comic book shop for the majority of his life? And you say that he doesn't know what happened in the comics?

[@amanpingle1497]

X, I think this comment might be a bit horrendous. Coz they WANT to enjoy marvel, star wars, etc content, but the people who make these shows don't make them in a good way. For example, EFAP is part of the toxic group. But they watched Falcon and Winter soldier, and loved John Walker. It's just that they're calling out the bad writing for Sam and Bucky, where they are really shitty. It's really horrible to say "Don't watch what you don't like". Coz these guys supported all these properties for ages, and now they're being told "This new content will be made shitty, it will have weird world views, plot holes galore, and no respect for the viewer. It doesn't matter if you want to watch good MCU content, just shut up and go watch something else, toxic asshole."

[@ApricusInaros]

@@roccosfondo8748 They approve some shows? When and where do they tell that? In like 5 seconds in a dissing video? Where are whole videos about shows/movies they like? Avatar 2 by Disney was a big success but no video was ever made by them. How can you take them seriously then when they ignore the biggest box office hit of 2022? Being a critic includes making reviews about the bad AND the good. Only making content about things they dislike is a specific business model, which aims at people who like to hate things. And you are one of them?

[@roccosfondo8748]

@@ApricusInaros if we talk about "the critical drinker", just to name one, you can find negative, positive and mixed reviews. He made a video about Avatar 2. It's named "the best and the worst of James Cameron". Therefore, if you say that they don't talk about it I can say factcheck false. If the review is positive or negative, if it's legit or hateful I can't tell because I'm not interested in that franchise thus I didn't see any of the two movies thus it would be pointless for me to see a review. Anyway, the fact that a movie had success at the box office doesn't mean that it's a masterpiece. There are many movies which have flopped but become cult lately.

[@caleb_clay313]

I can definitely get behind this new Fandom Initiative. For too long, chuds have had way too much influence over the general outlook of how fandoms should be perceived. Enough is enough, and it's time for a better change.

[@Malkil75]

I support your sincere inclusive community wholeheartedly, I have subscribed- thank you.

[@OhOh996]

*“Some men just want to see the world burn”* - Turf Nation, probably

[@TurfNationYT]

Oh you know it

[@kidmods]

I'm with you my guy 👍🏿

[@TurfNationYT]

Great to have you on board!

[@RepublicOfBridger]

I’m in the industry and have been for a few years now and I can say a good chunk of what these reactionary channels are mad about has merit. The pushing of agendas, the desire to tell people they’re wrong for not thinking the way we do, I’ve seen it on every set and in every writers room I’ve been in. I understand that outrage because it disgusts me when I see it behind the scenes. And it’s that same arrogance that drives poor storytelling in favor of current social messages. This outrage crap is annoying, it’s toxic and even bad in some cases, but I’ll tell you what, as a writer, director, and creator: a bad critic is never as bad as bad art. I’ll take that sentiment to the grave because bad critics don’t effect society on any scale near bad art. Being critical, even stubbornly, is better than perpetual positivity.

[@ApricusInaros]

A sane independent critic covers the terrific, the good, the bad and the ugly. Period!! Why don't they put out videos about projects they like? Where are the videos about Avatar 2, the biggest box office of 2022? Ignoring the biggest movie since years? For real? How can you take a selfproclaimed critic like that seriously? It's obvious that it's not about being objective or about uncovering uncomfortable secrets of the industry. It's only about the specific business model that is to put out content with negative reviews, because some people love to hate.

[@RepublicOfBridger]

@@ApricusInaros with all due respect, you don’t get to decide what a critic is. Secondly, I haven’t seen a single KZbin critic that hasn’t reviewed Avatar 2. And of course, a film that is financially successful does not mean that it’s good. If that were true, every Twilight movie, 50 Shades of Grey, Transformers, Fast and Furious movie would be considered some of the best films ever made. This is not true for them, it is not true for Avatar 2

[@ApricusInaros]

@@RepublicOfBridger I take the liberty to give my opinion what a SANE critic or reviewers is, thank you. Nerdrotic and Doomcock made videos about Avatar 2? Nope. Strange, because it's a Disney project and Disney is their main topic. It's cherry picking. Find some project you can spin something negative out of it and ignore everything else. There is no objectivity, only an agenda, specifically the hate train business model. The world isn't black and white, and so isn't Hollywood. Financial success of a movie does not make it automatically a good movie, but sure enough make it a topic to be worth a discussion by reviewers and critics you can take seriously.

[@RepublicOfBridger]

@@ApricusInaros as stated in my initial comment, “this outrage crap is annoying and toxic”. I’m not defending channels like Nerdrotic and Doomcock. I’ve never followed them for that reason. They’re substanceless. Of course, that’s two content creators in an ocean of content, meaning the exception is not the rule. And there are reviewers still that cover things to be negative. I don’t like them, but they’re absolutely free to pursue it and you just have to hope that people will be able to see through their bullshit. Just like I hope people will be able to see that Avatar 2 is an absolutely shite film. Neither is likely.

[@ApricusInaros]

@@RepublicOfBridger Yeah, I'd hope people can see through manipulation from Hollywood but also extreme KZbinrs. I liked Avatar 2, was not the greatest but was ok enough for me. But I get why it can be disliked. I don't really see the need for more more Avatar movies.

[@cheesecakebunny2002]

I with you bro

[@AE_Sunset-Nutrix_AE]

I am with you. Already subscribed to the Fandom Initiative channel.

[@TurfNationYT]

Awesome, happy to have you on board!

[@mylesseay7037]

@@TurfNationYT I want them exposed on the internet for being spreading and allowing hatred, bigtory and death threats since they're basically Karma Houdinis themselves. Why the hell not, i love your plan!

[@TurfNationYT]

@@mylesseay7037 that’s the plan;)

[@WDB2005]

@@TurfNationYTI too will join your initiative, if it's still going that is. I've also got a new story about one of the members of The Fandom Menace that happened years ago

[@juliancaraveo5700]

0:40 135 of those channels and that's just from last year. There have been more popping out.

[@Anchorcornholio75]

This is the way

[@sgtroach1510]

Thank you!!! I’m starting to think they just use marvel as a scape goat to help their channels also isn’t it suspicious that wakanda forever is doing well but they only focus on the women part(ps I just subbed keep doing great work

[@leftifornian2066]

There’s just women in Wakanda forever

[@iaz00]

@@leftifornian2066 whats so bad about that? Also u forgot namor, elders and killmonger

[@scottr2314]

The issue is that 9 times out of 10, an established character (usually straight white male) gets ripped off to create the new character.

[@skippyzk]

Isn't that kinda racist? What if I took a movie with black people, like Friday, replaced all the black people with white people then claimed "its better"

[@ShadowSonic2]

Oh, you mean when the new Black Woman Mutant Storm was brought in to replace Straight White Leader Mutant Cyclops? I don't remember anyone complaining about that.

[@ShadowSonic2]

@@skippyzk That DID happen. We had movies where John Wayne played Genghis Khan because Studios didn't want an Asian actor to potentially become famous from the movie.

[@skippyzk]

@@ShadowSonic2 Well that's obviously racist, just like mcu race swapping. Also kinda funny how ridiculous that is

[@scottr2314]

@@ShadowSonic2 If you're talking about Storm than no, She was a leading character in multiple versions long before the SJW agenda crazys started to take over and I have no problem with her. She doesn't trash the white male characters either. or make their contributions seem less significant because they are white males.

[@bdr113080]

I decided a long time ago that anyone has a right not to like any movie but when it gets to a point that you are so negative that that your whole existence is to just hate a piece of entertainment knowing is forcing you to enjoy how much that’s when it becomes more than film criticism. I found out a few years ago that the more time I spend on negative things the more that comes back to me. Now I’ve never been negative in fandom or toxic, there have been movies and TV shows I haven’t liked but I just didn’t watch them anymore. Imagine that. I think anyone that just sits around and complains about something that no one’s asking them to enjoy I promise you is not leading a happy life. I promise you Star Wars theory sits around in his free time absolutely miserable. It’s like dude you beat cancer and you aren’t even enjoying the life that you got a second chance on? You’re just sitting around thinking about how much you hate things? When you sit around dwelling in the negative euro our depriving yourself of positive experiences. Whether it’s anger or depression or whatever any negative emotion that you spend time in is more time you’re spending in life unhappy than happy. Now I get sometimes things happen like losing a loved one or getting locked up for stuff like that happens but you mean to tell me you’re going to spend your time being negative over something no one is forcing you to experience? Sometimes I don’t even understand why they’re calling something woke and you can tell the reason they are calling something woke is because they have now train their selves to any time they see an actor that is not a white male that they can’t stand it. I’m like hold on was George Lucas being extremely woke when he hired Carrie Fisher and Billy Dee Williams? Like for me saying Star Wars is Woakes doesn’t even make sense. When you think about Star Wars think about all the movies and TV shows and why are people calling them woke? Because they had two female leads and then an African-American lady got a job not even as a main character, it’s not like she was Ray swapped for a character that was a different race, this is literally a lady who got a job playing a new original character who wasn’t A main character, and that’s being woke? OK if that’s what they’re saying then now they’re saying that it’s votejust for these people to exist? I’m not a liberal or a conservative but I do admit I have seen movie projects that I felt like they werent being genuine and it was kind of being overly woke but these people aren’t even looking at it like that. Now it’s literally anytime an actor gets a job who isn’t a white man they’re losing their shit. I stopped subscribing to Star Wars theory years ago because I never had a problem with his opinion if he was saying he didn’t like a Star Wars film but he turned into a psychopath that acts like he hasn’t ever gotten laid before the way he’s encouraging people to harass actors and directors and to fight other fans that disagreed with him. I’m sorry but if a piece of entertainment no one is forcing you to experience has you that riled up I think you need psychiatric help. I can’t imagine how someone like him would mentally hold up in a real life situation like being wrong place wrong time and you end up having to do time, like to me that’s a real life situation you have every right to be upset about. When it comes to movies, music and television, you’re telling me there are people that upset about something that supposed to be the escape and no one‘s forcing them to watch it? I mean that just sounds like a little girl stuff to me.

[@darthnater9731]

I’ll watch your little collab channel. I am tired of being called a fake fan of things because I enjoy stuff.

[@happysecret5273]

I think this all started with star wars. After all, 'The Fandom Menace' is derived from star wars episode 1, the phantom menace

[@rayyf69]

8:00 you guys criticize all the time "Too many white men in X production"

[@ShadowSonic2]

Because there are

[@rayyf69]

​@@ShadowSonic2 So then accept the opposition will see this differently and ALSO DO NOT operate on the ethical paradigm of proportional representation - this is a left wing concern except when it comes to the communities where white liberals and leftists live. Others don't want to see the echoes of non-profits like Color of Change or Rainbow Push coalition infusing diversity for diversities sake in historic period pieces. All art shouldn't be your art.

[@themeangene]

​@@ShadowSonic2false

[@LOLheyman]

Glad to see someone calling out these hateful grifters on their bullshit💯🔥

[@corey_knight63]

Thank you for speaking up against these channels

[@TheIqram12]

I'm surprised you don't even include Clownfish TV

[@justadude3789]

Womp Womp, that didn't end well. Fandom Initiative died and all that's left is "Shill Clips" which is a far more accurate title. Because instead of being a celebration of the media you love while countering the criticism all it really (ironically) was was the exact stuff you accused the people you didn't like of being. Shallow, unfounded, vitriolic, and poorly thought out criticism but instead of "woke" being the stupid buzzword it's racist, sexist, homophobic... etc. All in the defense of terrible media yall could never go into the same exhaustive detail as the people your countering saying why it's good.

[@KW0074L]

I'm gonna subscribe to the Fandom initiative

[@random_comic_fan]

0:16 Did he seriously put Brie Larson in the thumbnail of his Wakanda Forever review...?

[@Jrichgannon3]

That guy is overly obsessed with Brie and slandering her name, it’s pathetic. And his followers eat that shit up, which is even worse.

[@TurfNationYT]

Yes he did…

[@random_comic_fan]

@@TurfNationYT Ffs...🤦‍♂️

[@mylesseay7037]

@@random_comic_fan i guess the true villains of any fictional universes(MCU or Star Wars) are themselves.

[@everythingisawesome2903]

@@random_comic_fan That's kinda funny, ngl

[@aboodash9008]

There's only one option about it: ignore them. Just leave yourself out of the drama, ignore these toxic channels and move on with you life instead of fighting a losing battle. In the end, neither side will win, including the Fandom Initiative.

[@SuperPlacido1]

But what you didn't think of is that it will feel good to have positive videos! It's a nice change from all the negative and toxic videos, don't you think?

[@aboodash9008]

@@SuperPlacido1 I actually agree. I do like watching positive videos related to pop culture, but also negative videos as well because I believe both sides can have good points, but getting too much into the controversy is toxic and it makes you miserable.

[@SuperPlacido1]

@@aboodash9008 I agree with what you say! Anyways, have a great end of your day and a great week!😉

[@aboodash9008]

@@SuperPlacido1 You too, man.🙌🏻

[@SuperPlacido1]

@@aboodash9008 Thanks!😁

[@iraford5788]

Great breakdown.

[@mikoswhackgameandstuffvids480]

TurfNation makes Fandom Initiative Subs: where you gonna find good nerd fans TN: I know someone Me: and my left hand's free (Civil War reference)

[@cartoonking1789]

How about the western entertainment industry make something good? Maybe then people will stop calling their trash trash?

[@ShadowSonic2]

They're never going to make all white male all straight stories anymore. Deal with it

[@yugandharjanardhan6466]

"You can criticize as long as your criticism doesn't offend anyone " 💀💀 Try criticising any woke movie and not get labelled a misogynist/racist or any other "buzzwords" . But ok let's not be too harsh guys let's put on the rose colored glasses 😂

[@Dookieman1975]

Did you watch the vid? Unless I somehow missed something, he didn’t say that. He straight up says he doesn’t want to be in a fandom that’s unwilling to criticize others. He wants it to be constructive or not resorting to bullying or harassment. And you realize that any time a “woke” movie is complemented, people like you start whining. Same way some moron would lose their mind if someone said they like lovecraftian horror

[@yugandharjanardhan6466]

@@Dookieman1975 so criticism is only valid if it's constructive? Wonderful then. Also again, I would rather watch someone that would bash creators whose main goal is to push their agenda than be a part of a cancel culture where they label people as racist homophobic sexist bigot if they don't like a show/ movie. This page high-key leans to the latter and I'm very against cancel culture LMAO. But to each their own ,if you're a part of that culture then alright right,have a good day.

[@yungmuney5903]

@@yugandharjanardhan6466 "so criticism is only valid if it's constructive?" Duhhh yes??? What the fuck is the point otherwise?

[@yugandharjanardhan6466]

@@yungmuney5903 if something is actually shit , saying it shit is bad? Ok lmaoo. That's how folks over cancel snowflake culture think so have fun over there with them 👋

[@ShadowSonic2]

@@yugandharjanardhan6466 There's no such thing as Cancel Culture, you buffoon.

[@AE_Sunset-Nutrix_AE]

We absolutely must stamp out the rumor that we all directly accuse anyone who criticizes a character with a different skin color, sexuality, and/or gender of racism, homophobia, or sexism. Sure there are people who do that but there is also the opposite, I have experienced that myself. In the Fear Street trilogy, which I told about before, the main character is a black lesbian. There is criticism of her that has nothing to do with these characteristics. And I have responded to this criticism and simply explained why it is largely one-sided and unfair and why some aspects from the films, have not been taken into account or have even been ignored by the critics. In response, I was also accused of liking the character only because she is a lesbian. Just as an example.

[@funkydanieluk]

In this video he accuses people who disagree with him of hating to see any character this isn't white. His solution literally involves doing what you just said you don't want.

[@skippyzk]

LIAR

[@ShadowSonic2]

@@funkydanieluk Nothing wrong with giving the Fandom Menace a taste of their own bile.

[@rigger41]

So the solution to someone making negative commentary about the state of filmmaking is to create negative commentary about youtube creators? This seems a bit circular?

[@Volkrad]

I used to be subscribed to nerdrotic and critical drinker, the later mostly bc it was funny for a while, but bc both told me what I wanted to hear, not what I needed to hear, they can serve to open your eyes to certain issues, but there are many other healthy ways to do that, with them you reach a dead end, they're shouting at a wall, no big company is listening to them for being loudmouths like they like to think, they give you the illusion that you're achieving something, not worth my time. For example, I didn't liked the rings of power at all neither, but nerdrotic has made like a hundred videos talking about it to THIS day, and the show was over WEEKS ago, like, what are you going to say that you haven't already said?

[@_CPP_]

That’s the problem with Nerdrotic. (Not so much the drinker, he just uses it for bad examples), but anyway, both Nerdrotic and Geeks and Gamers does not make either nerdy, or geeky content. They make content about the same thing over and over again. Like, we get it

[@ShadowSonic2]

@@_CPP_ The Drinker is a hack too.

[@HollywoodLego]

5:05 "Against spreading hate and lies?" Wow... That has got to be one of the most hypothetical quote I've seen. Considering what the Fandom menace has done...

[@leftifornian2066]

He gotta grow his channel bro

[@andrewadams4815]

The problem is the hate is limited to one entity Disney and by extension Marvel and whatever your feelings on them that hate has become singling out while ignoring or not focusing on other entities who are no different i.g Warner and DC it’s the limits the hate has singling out one and ignoring the rest that is the reason it’s exhausting.

[@SonicGodOfTheAncientPast22]

When it comes to what the Fandom menace says 50% of what they say is true but the rest they do take too far and understand why that is but I'm good I don't wanna be a part of any fandom if you want the fandoms better then it isn't the people it's the movies and shows fault cause of too much representation and diversity I'm ok with representation and diversity just not when every movie and show is all about that it ruins the story, plot and characters and makes the movies boring like the Star wars sequel they were boring cause the character made no sense and making a Mary sue is NOT the best idea EVER! hopefully you understand how I feel and if not your opinions are fine

[@mloonchan]

Channels like yours is much needed .

[@Binzob]

I was a fan of the anti sjw videos like 10 years ago. Won't say I grew out of it as such, just that they became more extreme than just ben sharpie destroying feminists with facts and logic. My political views have barely changed as well. I get called "woke" a bit so I suppose I was always woke? We just didn't have a term for it until a couple years ago I guess. The Ahsoka trailer is a great example of this shift in the anti-sjw, now anti-"woke" crowd. There are 4 women shown in the trailer and 3 men. This has upset hundreds of people somehow? When all but 1 woman and 1 man are already established characters as well. It seems like they wanted all the new characters to be white men, and they can't be evil either. I think this might be the first star wars show with predominantly female cast? At least for the main characters. But oh a slight majority female cast? Anti man propaganda. Someone says something positive about the sequels? They gonna get a bunch of comments insulting them. For liking something? Then you have posts from star wars fan groups or pages making strawman arguments about how sequel fans are calling everyone who dislikes the movie racist/sexist or other things. I am yet to see this actually occur, and it gets called out in the comments but then the attacks from the fandumb menace start up again. I think the cleopatra thing is also a good example. I have no interest in watching the show. Never did, not my kinda thing. But facebook puts a post from groups farming outrage interactions at the top of my feed everyday. I hide the post or block the group to see less similar content. Doesn't work as next day theres the same bullshit post of people being unreasonably mad about it. Guarantee if they also weren't spammed by facebook by these posts they wouldn't care either. I get it, cleopatra was white, a show took creative liberties and used a black actress. Who fucking cares. Similar shit with the little mermaid movie. Coming out in a few days I see. I've never planned on watching but Halle Bailey is fucking amazing and I think she's probably as good a fit as you can get. Ariel is a fictional character, a mermaid at that and people are throwing fits over the best person being chosen for the job. Like I don't agree with changing the race / gender identity or whatever of already established characters. But it doesn't negatively affect people in anyway if Ariel is black or white or any other race. Cleopatra might confuse uneducated people into thinking she's actually black, but don't worry the over the top discourse has ensured that can never happen. And then you have garbage, dogshit creators like the (no) critical (thinking) drinker. OMG this show has a women character who is good at something? MARY SOOOOOOOOOO. OMg man failed?? Sexist bullSHIT!!111! No idea how that idiot has any fans I have never seen a good video from him that isn't just him being a sour angry loser. Think I finally decided to stop seeing his channel a year or so ago. Might go watch a couple of his vids now just to laugh at him. Also yeah finally finished your video now. Woke has no, or at most very little impact on the quality of media. Even if it did, people using "woke" to blanket describe stuff they dislike have no idea what woke actually means and can never define it. People call the sequels woke, I don't really see it but sure. Then they say they are bad because they're woke? I'm sorry but how, and why, and what? Sorry for long rant lmao kinda feels good to get that off my chest.

[@Chris47629]

They are toxic but I do agree with one thing, enough is enough with the Disney remakes

[@funkydanieluk]

Stop spreading hate. You are ruining the fandom for people who love those remakes.

[@benmalsky9834]

@@funkydanieluk Yes indeed

[@benmalsky9834]

@@funkydanieluk Nothing can stop me from getting super excited for The Little Mermaid remake coming in May!

[@zombieboxreviews]

You do realise the Fandom Menace hasn't been a thing for over a year now lol 🤡

[@SuperPlacido1]

Seriously?! I didn't know that until you said it! You just taught me something!

[@_CPP_]

Turf does this for the views, and he is the one who generates the toxicity. Yes, Geeks and Gamers are whiny cucks, but we know at least that their message is that they don’t like the product. With Turf’s videos, the message I get from him is that he hates those people because they oppose wokeness and they have opposing opinions than his own. He bullies them because they have opinions. What a hypocrit

[@SuperPlacido1]

@@_CPP_ He denounces those who are toxic and who harass people for nothing. Turf does not harass anyone! Who is the toxic one? The stalker or the whistleblower? Think about it! Turf respects people's opinions, unlike the others he denounces! He doesn't make clickbait videos just to get a buzz, unlike those he denounces! Except you're saying that because you support the ones Turf denounces and you're not able to admit to yourself that you're following the wrong people, so you tell yourself that Turf is the toxic one because he's too disturbing according to you!

[@ShadowSonic2]

@@_CPP_ Actually, he's just pointing out that there's still a lot of reactionary backwards buffoons out there.

[@Anchorcornholio75]

Would I join this movement

[@CurtisDofMontana]

How did the bitter taste of the acolyte ashes taste in your mouth go go broke

[@roccosfondo8748]

I remember when I heard about Star Trek Discovery for the first time. As many other trekkers I felt disappointed for the last episode of ENT and the hearing that there was a new series with amazing effects set right before the beginning of the classic series was just electrizing. Then I've found the series on streaming... First I saw the short treks and I felt a very unusual vibe that I can't describe but made me feel uncomfortable. Then I saw the first episode and everything become clear: forget the dreams of a superior humanity, in the grim darkness of STD there are only childish, immature, selfish morons. Not only STD plot has no logic, it is focused only on a single character who is perfect and solve every problem single handed and starts an interstellar war btw.

[@danielvillanueva3792]

Hahahaj this channel is the embodiment of “Don’t ask questions just consume product and get excited for new product” 😂😂😂

[@ShadowSonic2]

As opposed to the Grifters, whose attitude is "Don't buy their products buy ours instead"?

[@_n8thagr8_63]

lots of soy in here

[@ShadowSonic2]

You know that "Soy" thing was fake propaganda made up by Cold War Psychopaths, right?

[@Kryptic_sx]

@@ShadowSonic2 no one cares

[@ShadowSonic2]

@@Kryptic_sx You do, obviously

[@CevicheGato]

Lonely Banter ain’t part of the fandom menace/ anti sjw crowd anymore As well as Shoe On Head

[@crybabyslittletears]

This is my goal. I’m tired of getting negativity for loving the sequel trilogy and loving phase 4 of marvel. I wish we had peaceful conversation instead of labeling each other.

[@devmag52]

Well some people settle for less than they deserve and that’s ok. 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@ShadowSonic2]

@@devmag52 Phase 4 was better than most of Phase 1 and 2

[@Sthomp10]

Don’t get me started with heyliv, the ultimate pick me.

[@mawrak]

0:40 Mauler and Rags are "anti-woke" fandom menace? What? Star Wars Theory and Shoe on Head are also on the list?? This is insane. Did you just put everybody who didn't like The Last Jedi here, regardless of their reasoning? What a joke.

[@TurfNationYT]

Mauler and Rags absolutely are at least very closely related to the FM. Star Wars Theory is cool with them but probably not fully.

[@afifi2779]

ikr...this guy literally hating on someone who doesnt agree with his anology

[@maxxdahl6062]

@@afifi2779 I'd hate on racists and sexists too.

[@BXBeastBoy]

watching you cry for 9 minutes is crazy lol

[@ronthorn3]

I also for a short time, went down this rabbit hole, got sick of my timeline making me feel so awful all the time, why am I getting so upset about shit I really don’t care about? They are like a fing virus that keeps spreading. My timeline is now clean.

[@BeNice108]

I did the same with politics, watching Late Show hosts. So much hate/fear mongering, for things I didn't really care about or want to follow. At least with this stuff, I do actually care about the state of entertainment. Franchises I want to keep enjoying, but since they're so bad It's nice having people actually willing to discuss WHY it's being written so terribly. The trick is to balance it out with positivity, not necessarily within the same content.

[@SoraFan23]

I dropped out of most gaming communities because is always the same BS argument

[@SuperPlacido1]

Yeah me too! I'm not interested in The Mandalorian at all because of them! Because they keep saying that the Luke from The Mandalorian is a real Luke unlike the one from The Last Jedi or some other crap just to shit on the Luke from The Last Jedi!

[@Karen-se6ch]

pulling the minority - inclusive card again -_-

[@ShadowSonic2]

As opposed to the "Whites Only" card?

[@augusteweyrick2840]

I ignore this part of fandom when watching movies.

[@TurfNationYT]

That’s a smart move!

[@SuperRamos619]

I used to watch these guys videos all the time. While I still agree with many of their base stances. Now, however I can't stand listening to nearly every one of them. They've turned into whiner and complainers, the very image of the people they mock online. Listen, you don't need to fight against the Fandom Menace. You kust need to learn to live alongside them. They have a right to their opinions and the communities they've built up. Every person should be able to join a Fandom they like, even if other people dislike their opinions. Fandom is large enough to encapsulate everyone.

[@Wayne5002]

I'd say most of the channels you criticize here are only a thing because the online fandoms were/are toxicly positive sometimes. I like your videos because you are not one of the people pretending "if you don't like series X you are *insert some -ism here*". And they also do have a point with the whole "access media" phenomenon. The incentives for professional reviewers are very much laid out in a way where sharp criticisms are hugely disencouraged. Apart of the critical Drinker, I am not too much a fan of these overly dramatic and negative channels, but I have watched them on occasion, whenever the fandoms were way too overly positive. It really is boring when being a fan is an identity of some people to the point where they blindly praise everything and make up excuses for objectively bad ideas (things like not planning a new film trilogy out from the start are simply dumb for example)

[@Courier_333]

I hate the fandom menace... But this is so terminally online lol just ignore these people, their channels are slowly dying on their own

[@Madrock2429]

Ironically this sounds alot like the Fellowship. The same people your going to be fighting back against.

[@TheDustifiable1986]

I just want a place to discuss fandoms without the anti sjws slinging nonsense. It's so rare anymore. Can't talk star wars, can't talk video games... It's worse when a meaningful discussion involves exploring the themes and behaviors of characters, and how sometimes our favorite media is problematic.

[@CrazyHorseTheSiouxW4rrior]

0:53 just like Chris stuckmen he continues his movie reviews regardless of how much hate the fandom menace throws around on the internet these days

[@Wolfgulfur]

I’m sorry, but this is absolutely hilarious. If the menace saw this, they’d probably come away thinking: “What do you know? We’re actually the optimists here.” Then again, they probably already knew that. This whole campaign screams “oh woe is me”

[@ShadowSonic2]

The "Woe is Me" ones are the ones complaining there are women and nonwhites getting any jobs at all