y'all need to be putting the links you say you'll put in the description this is another time now😶🌫
@Metal-Possum2 жыл бұрын
Coil shocks had already proven themselves in the 90's. I'm still regularly riding an OG Z1 Bomber and RS Super Deluxe and absolutely love it. It's taken air cans decades to catch up, much like it's taken decades for digital cameras to be comparable to a good film camera, or flat panel display technology to produce the same colours as our old school CRTs.... we got it right the first time.
@castingcouchru4698 ай бұрын
Thanks Mate, I have been watching videos on setup of coil for 3 weeks and finally have a great understanding of how to setup a coil. I am new to the coil and the bike company asked my rider with gear weight and said they were going setup the suspension. I have now ordered new heavier coils for both my Ohlins and my Rock Shox coils as I didn't feel that the bike was as good as it could be even with adjustments. I took it back to zero checked your video twice first I got a great understanding of the setup and the second time was to take notes and to pile drive it into my memory. I had watched other videos but the setup never felt right until using your method with details you include that others have left out
@Happy_Shopper2 жыл бұрын
Bike: *is spotlessly clean Doddy: oBvIoUsLy mY bIkE iS filThY
@massimilianomolinari7846 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic!!! Thank you for this video!!! Now I have more and detailed information on how to installa and mount my new RS Super Deluxe Coil Ultimate RC2T shox 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@jj55612 жыл бұрын
Thanks Doddy! That was was best explanation of coil / set up I’ve seen yet!
@CarkeekW2 жыл бұрын
I pre load 1 turn on Ohlins , no rattles and small bump compliance is very good bacause the more preload you have the higher the force required before the shock begins to move. highly recommend the vorsprung videos for explanations . Loctite purple is good for stopping a coil adjuster in place without going too mental , its almost a gel level anti vibration substance so not a biggy to undo by hand.
@th_js2 жыл бұрын
Exactly. As little preload as possible, without the spring rattling loose. Some shocks have an adjuster with a bolt to lock it into place, which I think all shocks should have.
@th_js2 жыл бұрын
But on the other hand, despite what some people say, you CAN use preload to adjust spring-rate, thus adjusting the force required to bottom out as well. It will obviously increase the force that it requires to move the suspension in the beginning of travel, if you have a excessive amounts of preload, but in an emergency, preload can be your friend, even though it's never ideal.
@mikaelp98262 жыл бұрын
Doddy's the best thing thats happened to me since the eggwhite omelette. So practical, so easy to understand. Good on ya mate!
@ThomasBergfiets2 жыл бұрын
Installing my RS Super Deluxe Coil tomorrow! 🚀
@shaunoleary8740 Жыл бұрын
I just got a coil shock and this was super helpful!
@TrIpMo19812 жыл бұрын
All my full sus bikes (DH bikes) I run coils. Coils =
@th_js2 жыл бұрын
Depends on the bike. But yeah, in general, coil is definitely better.
@neilz32192 жыл бұрын
Oh dear, 2 turns minimum preload for that shock Doddy, its even written on the collar, surprised the spacer under the bottom out bumper removal hack to increase travel wasn't mentioned.
@alexplane53592 жыл бұрын
1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th comments can you elaborate on your comments 🙃 Love coil shocks, got a vanilla rc here on an old bike,still working for some reason, it wont die (yet)
@snbsmtb2 жыл бұрын
Great video Doddy! Love these videos and if I do go on a full-sus later on I might think going to a coil shock
@darrent8106 Жыл бұрын
Thanks, Doddy! This information was exactly what I was looking for. Cheers
@alexanderklaiber84902 жыл бұрын
I'm whating for this topic a long time, please more about coil shox!! Could you make a video about coil forks too? Are the "expensive" coil shox better than air shox on the downhills??
@mikezoid20092 жыл бұрын
That looks sick with the coil 👍👍
@MP198612 ай бұрын
Do I need to service my coil as much as my Fox Float? Is the coil more reliable?
@Xaviercarter18742 жыл бұрын
Is there a tool you can use if your coil adjustment nut is too tight to move with your fingers?
@rickstard73 Жыл бұрын
Same question for me, did you find one?
@Xaviercarter1874 Жыл бұрын
@rickstard73 no haven't yet, and actually in the time, I have changed to an air shock!😆
@tommtb48982 жыл бұрын
Useful video, wish you had covered the issue of rockshox springs being quite loose fitting. I find I have to run 3/4 turns of pre-load otherwise the spring just rattles too much when it's not under load, or I'm un-weighting the bike
@ostankovalex11762 жыл бұрын
ehm, it's written on the shock :) min 3-4 turns, max 6 so you're supposed to run 3-4 turns at least, and with that preload it doesnt get loose or rattle got one on my trek remedy
@tommtb48982 жыл бұрын
@@ostankovalex1176 ehm, it's min 2, max 5 on a rs super deluxe coil. Maybe you should check yours again....
@BasicBodThor2 жыл бұрын
@@tommtb4898 weird. I'm running 2 turns on my Super Deluxe Ultimate and it's snug as a bug
@harleymcclelland80292 жыл бұрын
What is the difference between the old style coil shock and the new style coil shock
@award1496 Жыл бұрын
So helpful and interesting. I learned more now. 🤗
@iammarccc2 жыл бұрын
My bike is spec'd at 216x63mm and I found a pretty cheap DNM coil shock at 220x61mm. I'm wondering if it's safe to slap that coil into my frame since the difference is so small in my opinion.
@MTB_FPV2 жыл бұрын
No, the frames designed for the 216 eye to eye, leave it at that. 63 to 61mm will reduce rear wheel travel noticeably in a bad way.
@uunouuno35302 жыл бұрын
Very likely you can, at least If you buy an offset bushing. Be aware that you might void frame warranty though
@RjrEbikeCustom3 ай бұрын
Does the knobs adjustment always Torwards bike or frame or doesn't matter om a ebike
@porroco2 жыл бұрын
Is very hard to find the 52.5mm or 62.5mm from factory does rockshox allow to remove spacer if i Get a 230x60mm?
@ostankovalex11762 жыл бұрын
they don't have spare spacers, but generally 230x57.5-65mm is the same shock with the different travel reducer. I'm using my 3D printer to get a new spacer to convert my 57.5 to 62.5 If you get a 230x60, you can convert it to 62.5 stroke, but the new spacer is required and you need to re-assemble the whole shock (special tool is required). And you need to make a spacer with the required stroke
@MrFreilos2 жыл бұрын
Sprindex coils offer adjustable lb/in in a certain range. Also they say that the springs are progressive for the last 20% of stroke. Would be great if you could test / feature them in a video.
@Vanadium2 жыл бұрын
yep, I have two of them because they did not cover my range completely.
@th_js2 жыл бұрын
I have 2 and can confirm that they do what they promise. One of the best purchases I've ever made, as I was having trouble getting my suspension dialled.
@Vanadium2 жыл бұрын
@@th_js I would not say it's the best ever purchase for suspension because the smashpot for my Lyrik was the real deal.
@th_js2 жыл бұрын
@@Vanadium Been thinking of getting one for my Zeb. The price is just really high.
@Vanadium2 жыл бұрын
@@th_js well it depends if you really need it. I have massive benefits for steeper terrain. The fork is that much higher by just pointing down and got way less dive all around. I don't even have a firm spring. Its a step down for what is recommended. The hydraulic progression dial is so strong that you essentially have the same thing you get from the Sprindex. Because I have only coils now, I can throw the pump out.
@eoinferriter69177 ай бұрын
Hi guys. I found your video one of only a couple that gave any sort of practical insight into setting up my new rockshokx super deluxe ultimate on my Orbea Occam. I weigh about 87 kgs, so app 90 with riding gear. The shop recommended a 600lb coil spring, as supplied. However, I've been trying to get my sag dialled in. Should it be +- pretty close to 30 % as a default....Tinkering with the preload doesn't seem to be doing anything.... Any possible advice before I head for my trails. Thanks
@Jonas_B.2 жыл бұрын
Very good explanation of coil shocks. Also curious what you think about the coil setup with the spectral. I've read a few articles about the new mullet spectral with coil and they complained that it uses too much travel too early.
@MG_Gily_Wut2 жыл бұрын
Quick question: can I run a DVO spring on a Fox Van RC demper without any spacer (like MRP provides when using their coil spring on other brand dempers)? Or do you need a Fox spring in Fox demper and cannot be swapped between brands? Any help guys.
@rayglasscock96672 жыл бұрын
Having cane creek coil shock fitted on efocus jam plus rocshox lyric forks can't hardly wait got to admit it's not just the difference in the ride, its also the cool look my ole dad always said if it looks right itself it will be. I've based a lot on that way off thought had a few gremlins to zap but nothing ventured 😈.
@RyTudor-wo3fo Жыл бұрын
Hi I'm looking at the marin alpine trail xr and it has a coil but I'm scared that it will be to stiff because I only way 54 kg and the coil is 350 pounds will that be okay ?
@ridesafealways4929 Жыл бұрын
Good Day! My bike is a 2018 GT Fury Pro. It has a 2018 Rockshox Vivid R2C Coil Shock with a size of 9.5x3.0 or 241x76. Can i upgrade to one of these super deluxe ultimates?
@dcn2012ful2 жыл бұрын
hello , i have a little problem , i have a cane creek double barrel in my cannondale jekyll 2018 (165mm) but my shock spring it seems it is too hard for my weight (400x2.5) and i am only 60 kg! what would be the proper spring for my weight?
@makeitathome13272 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to remove the rear spring shocker permanatly? I don't want the rear shocker on the bike anymore, so is it possible to remove it permanatly?
@Adampage692 жыл бұрын
is it possible to add extension exemple get from a 9.5 to 10.5 like a bottom linkage or something
@pczarnietzki4802 жыл бұрын
Hey Doddy I have a giant trance from 2015 and already upgraded a lot of parts because it was a User bike as i bought it But I still have the old fox air shick in it and when i jump or just rkde the trail it uses the whole travel allmost every time What can I do or upgrade to make it feel a littel bit more harder in the end of the travel? ( sorry for my bad Englisch skills, I'm from germany 🤭)
@Pienimusta2 жыл бұрын
Volume spacers inside the shock. Start of the stroke is the same but the end of the stroke is harder.
@tar2trail4482 жыл бұрын
does the remote add low speed compression or high? I have a delux ultimate and you have a lsc dial on top of the piggy back and a flip switch for the high im assuming
@stianjarnass2 жыл бұрын
My second trail bike (electric) has got the rockshox super deluxe coil I love it. Now I will try understand how it works 🤣
@majapashit6668 ай бұрын
Hi gmbn where can i find the coil shock calculator link? Thanks
@marklouieadame Жыл бұрын
Regardless if it is air or coil spring it all goes down to damper. Hydraulic damper are the key on suspension which is the issue with suspension fork before, it is now being realized that coil creates natural bounce added with dampening. We will see dirtbike suspension fork on MTB and air will soon again obsolete. Reliability and less frequent maintenance as ebike are emerging now as next choice
@olivierhacking2 жыл бұрын
Don't forget there are multiple progressive coil springs available now!
@Vanadium2 жыл бұрын
I am lazy so I use just some reusable STRONK zip ties to zip the rear wheel or seat stays just to the seat tube. THIS actually helps massive because without my shock the rear end goes down and my rocker upwards. If I want to install my shock the rocker is to high to take a shock and also the spacers on the trunnion need to held in place with grease on the inside of the rocker. Its almost impossible even without the weight of the rear wheel. So I will do this forever, just use zip ties to make it perfect for alignment.
@jxrxch2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Doddy. Interesting to see how different spring rates are per bike. I’m 205lbs/93.5kg and have a 600lbs Rockshox spring on my Specialized Enduro 2020. I don’t see how I could ever go down to 500lbs. Is that progressivity of frame design or shock stroke or travel that is influencing that?
@ostankovalex11762 жыл бұрын
that's generally leverage to start with. how much your shock compresses per mm of your rear wheel travel. For example, 30mm stroke shock with 160mm will compress much easier than 60mm stroke shock with the same travel Indeed, the progression of the frame affects it a lot, but mainly when going deeper in the travel. My suggestion - get the sag you want to start with. Once you get for example 25-30% sag, you need to figure out whether you need bottom out resistance or not (not all of us get decent jumps and drops). I've got RS Super Deluxe coil on my remedy, it's a pretty average frame in terms of progression, but I've figured out my riding was harsh with 600lbs RS spring and not enough sag; however, I nearly bottomed out my shock, so I bough an MRP progressive 550 lbs spring and that solved it for me. I also weight aroung 94-95kg. My current sag is about 30% and I rarely bottom out at all. And even if I do, I can't feel it - it's so soft.
@MTB_FPV2 жыл бұрын
I run a 500lbs spring on a canyon sender with 2 preload and get 28% for 230lbs rider weight. I run it firm for drops and jumps at bike parks and occasionally bottom out. I tried 550lbs and it was horrible 😂
@razorjarolol2 жыл бұрын
Hey Guys, do you have any experience which spring could fit on RS Super deluxe ultimate 230x60 ? Does nukeprof spring will work ? I know that FOX+canecreek+DVO wont fit at all.
@Jackebbrown2 жыл бұрын
Hello Everyone, Do you know if you get a shock (coil) with a slightly longer stroke but the same eye to eye, will it change or effect anything. I am thinking of getting a marzocchi bomber cr but they do not come in (230x57.5) the right size for my trek remedy 8.
@space.youtube2 жыл бұрын
but what if you fit a progressive (rising rate) spring? Can you fit a coil shock to a bike that runs an air shock then? ; )
@ostankovalex11762 жыл бұрын
yeap, you do but it depends on how hard you ride and how big jumps and drops you make I have a Trek Remedy frame - not very progressive at all. I use an RS coil shock with MRP progressive spring. I have about 30% sag and rarely bottom out
@th_js2 жыл бұрын
In some cases, yes. In some cases it still might not be progressive enough.
@offyrtrolley4604 Жыл бұрын
Helpful advice here thanks 🛒👍
@nigelhagley8942 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Doddy for informative video, Ive just converted to coil and the explanation on setting sag and rebound really helped. Now she's sweet. SB130
@radodanchev8600 Жыл бұрын
My shock have a air can also. I have FOX DHX 5.0
@pedrojimenez26742 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@5kulls7122 жыл бұрын
Is the used bike (Spectral 29) made for using coil shok oder just a sample ;D
@G3LDY2 жыл бұрын
So my 2020 spectral I was told I couldn’t fit a coil shock is that true?
@jankulozic4012 жыл бұрын
Any actual advantages of the coil over air for the average trail bike and rider? I am all for set and forget tech.
@Pienimusta2 жыл бұрын
Small pump sensitivity might be better, but you usally loose on the progressiveness. Air is usually also better for pedalling. Personal preferences based on your own riding and likings. Also your bike and its geometry make difference how each feel.
@jankulozic4012 жыл бұрын
@@Pienimusta thanks for your informative and insightful response. I sit and spin as much as getting crazy, almost 50/50. Here in south Florida our steeps are short and far between usually if you ain't pedalin', you ain't movin'.
@Vanadium2 жыл бұрын
@@jankulozic401 my bike transformt from a harsh ride to a cushion with that. but I bought a more advanced shock then this RS one. You sure should have a more progressive frame to work with a shock like it was mentioned in the video but and that is the case with Sprindex coils, they are progressive it self. Last 20% of the stroke will be progessive and you also can actually vary your spring rate with a simple turn on the Sprindex ring. So you have a simpler solution in the end because you dont need a pump anymore and you need less service for a coil shock then air shocks.
@jankulozic4012 жыл бұрын
@@Vanadium thank you for your input, l will have to see what is available for my frame.
@th_js2 жыл бұрын
1. Consistency, there is no air to change pressure, changing the spring-rate. 2. More mid-stroke support. 3. Less maintenance. 4. Once you get it dialled, it will stay dialled.
@Taylor110Dread2 жыл бұрын
Doddy, do you recommend spherical bearings versus standard bushings on a coil shock? I heard spherical bearings can help isolate frame flex from the shock eyelets and supposedly extend the shock life as well as reduce friction. Is it worth swapping out the standard bushings?
@Metal-Possum2 жыл бұрын
I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume a spherical bearing won't give you the same service life as a standard bushing will. You'll get dirt ingress for starters, as well as applying pressure over a smaller surface area. I run standard bushings on a single pivot bike with no linkages, and they're still as good as ever after 20+ years of abuse.
@masonsheats12 жыл бұрын
Does low speed compression not also effect how the bike feels when pumping? Im sure it also firms the bike up for pedaling but i thought it adjusted the damping for everything that is low shaft speed
@th_js2 жыл бұрын
It does. As much as I like GMBN, the information is rarely near perfect. Go watch BikeRadar's suspension setup videos where Seb Stott explains the process well.
@thesmf12102 жыл бұрын
that was really interesting to watch
@tamphan6828 Жыл бұрын
Im 5'6 310 lbs. Would tjis bije work for me?
@philwebb6062 жыл бұрын
For a 105kg rider how would a coil compare to an air shock?
@elgarkulberg12652 жыл бұрын
What is the model of this ERGON oils lick saddle please?
@vernerjuliussen20712 жыл бұрын
The link, Doddy??🤔🤔
@mangyanho2 жыл бұрын
Great Info and interesting
@rival_672 Жыл бұрын
Can one somehow lock this supension type?
@Antjan462 жыл бұрын
Great advice as always, thank you Doddy! I’ve never tried a coil shock. I’ve got my heart set on a 2020 TLD Limited Edition Specialized Stumpjumper (S2) in my local bike shop, it comes with a Fox DHX coil shock (500lb) my body weight is 70kg and I’m worried it might need to go with a lighter spring. My question is, do these spring ratios behave differently with the way they are positioned in the frame? Different rear wheel leverage etc. I’m hoping the s2 size frame + 500lb spring will work for me. Thanks in advance and keep up the awesome work.
@Antjan462 жыл бұрын
Frame already fitted with a DHX2 (blimmin predictive text)
@mitran_9 Жыл бұрын
Is that a 230 mm 57,5mm?
@user-sj3nu4ku3s9 ай бұрын
Is there any wiggle room onthe eye to eye measurement
@user-sj3nu4ku3s9 ай бұрын
3mm?
@bebeyoda92702 жыл бұрын
How can i adjust the hardness of it
@lucani44282 жыл бұрын
Wooooow, great video!!!
@giannislazatube2 жыл бұрын
Hello everyone! Every time i try to service my bike, i find myself missing the appropriate tools and i buy what i need every time, as a result i think i will pay a much bigger amount of money in total. #AskGMBNTech Could you suggest a proper toolbox for intermediate home mechanic, in order to help everyone save some money in this fantastic bike community? Thanks a lot! Keep up the great videos!
@shredgravity2 жыл бұрын
I bought a DH bike and TF Tuned says I need at least an 800lb spring. I have a 2017 Kona Supreme Operator with a Rockshox 650lb coil in it now. I weigh 270lb+ with no gear. Any one know where I can get an 800lb coil spring to fit my Rockshox Kage coil shock?
@davemanago76784 ай бұрын
prolly easier to lose 70 lbs than find a 800lb coil. You’ll live longer and be able to ride more bikes 🎉
@RobertSchuster682 жыл бұрын
🎵🎵This is how you do it🎵🎵
@sanudasamson1282 жыл бұрын
Is it ok to wash this ?
@TimMillernapavalleyfilmworks2 жыл бұрын
Noice job!
@tristanmcfee52382 жыл бұрын
#AskGMBNTech is it worth it to buy a coil shock if you have and air shock? Is it worth the money to have 2 shocks to figure out what works best for you (the rider)?
@ostankovalex11762 жыл бұрын
all of it is worth it if you have finances to do so :) they do feel different. If you are a newbie - it doesn't
@th_js2 жыл бұрын
If there isn't anything directly wrong with your current setup, then absolutely no. The coil shock won't make you faster.
@bordfronco2 жыл бұрын
I went offroading and my coil shocks took it like nothing I like springy boi
@bordfronco2 жыл бұрын
Mine comes stock with coil shocks
@bignikoli Жыл бұрын
Come on guys No link to the tuned 😪
@hench_wrench_repairs2 жыл бұрын
Aha super deluxe ultimate, most sexy shock ever
@th_js2 жыл бұрын
Nice joke
@eddolous2 жыл бұрын
It looks cool, nothing more
@jackcheung43012 жыл бұрын
Air can expand when heated, so the air pressure (psi) inside the air rear shock will not be the same throughout any long runs, thus the performance will not be stable. Pros and cons.
@th_js2 жыл бұрын
Yup. Also if you live somewhere, where the temperature fluctuates a lot form one extreme to the other, it's very annoying to constantly be adjusting the pressure to maintain the correct setup.
@jackcheung43012 жыл бұрын
@@th_js okay then I’d better go for a coil shock on my new dream bike.
@Pienimusta2 жыл бұрын
Upgrade, sidegrade or downgrade?
@deterrentdubz91162 жыл бұрын
For most it’s a sidegrade 😂 they perform amazingly when set up properly but can take some trial and error which some people don’t have the patience for and like doddy said sometimes they only get you in the ball park of where you want to be… the fine tuning involves trial and error and sometimes if you calc wrong for the spring weight or like different setups for different terrain/riding styles it means more money for buying different springs. Air is the way to fly for people who are casual or just a bit more serious than casual with riding their bike as air springs allow more precise setup up, cheaper and it’s infinite how many times you wanna change your air pressure and it’s free once you buy a shock pump…
@MTB_FPV2 жыл бұрын
Don't Canyon have a Sag indicator on the frame? The sender has a 20% indicator 😳
@HDTigerProductions2 жыл бұрын
My 2021 spectral doesn’t have a sag indicator
@MTB_FPV2 жыл бұрын
@@HDTigerProductions must just be the sender then 🤾♂️
@RjrEbikeCustom3 ай бұрын
Gotta question no one knows the right way to put this shock in is this right or wrong
@miguelquinto79412 жыл бұрын
@15:42, didn't that hurt?
@malachischarfe37812 жыл бұрын
first comment
@Stray972 жыл бұрын
Me watching this with only owning a hard tail👁👄👁
@pedrojimenez26742 жыл бұрын
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
@ridesouls28302 жыл бұрын
Just get a hardtail
@bobothericefarmer18782 жыл бұрын
Yoo
@mtbmates61002 жыл бұрын
second comment
@Silverripples2 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't call it an Upgrade, have thrown away several coils during my days.
@fzr100098110 ай бұрын
Rockshox cheap junk
@loopsyguy64242 жыл бұрын
Third
@mjmtbandothersickstuff46562 жыл бұрын
fourth
@ashingashinga Жыл бұрын
anyone knows the meaning of the first number on the rockshox springs? for example, on a 450lb spring, before the 450, there is a 79 number printed. What means that 79?