How to fix your K series engine rattle!

If your k series engine is rattling on COLD start ups, this fix is going to resolve that!
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[@subatomicparticle6535]

I believe oil pressure unlocks the pin and spring pressure locks it. It rattles because the spring loses tension over time preventing the pin from locking on cold start up!

[@eggsamich]

Speed academy did the same thing replacing the cams. Don't need to take the timing cover off. Just keep a bungee on the chain.

[@gsrturbo3786]

I learned something from your trial and error with the tensioner. Also being in tdc without factory links I would have painted Marks on chain to confirm it's in exact same place before I took it apart. Love this channel and the in depth content you got my full support keep it going.

[@angelmods5064]

He was suppose to move it up more then put the tension pin 📌 and I believe it should’ve went in more. He did an amazing job and I also learned a thing a two about this

[@Denver1976Man]

glad you said that about locking. I saw you do it but I thought you should say something. But you did. I fixed mine by stretching the spring inside. You make great videos. Like your channel.

[@caseyalexander2244]

That's not a fix, the spring needs to be replaced and the locking pin needs to be worked over with some abrasives until it moves freely in and out of it's detent.

[@Denver1976Man]

@@caseyalexander2244 OK

[@KeithWeast]

I changed my oil today and after start up it made that rattle so loud and didn’t stop till I shut off the car. Definitely time to fix

[@baukesikma9374]

Yes remove tensioner but might be a good idea to mark cam gears to chain links for timing if we do not have the cam lock tool

[@mattscullin5844]

Thanks, my sister's CR-V is making that noise and I'm trying to help her out. Great video.

[@eb80871]

Great job, keep these great videos coming, I learning a lot from them.

[@JeremyWorrall-v7t]

Same thing with me, couldn't get enough slack on the chain, I ended up using the bar from my pump jack to pry the exhaust cam on, since I was throwing in the SI exhaust gear used a wrench to at the same time pry it up. I moved the cams to be in time with each other then re-aligned the chain before the chain went on, everything has to be in time with the crank pulley mark. I wouldn't have manually cranked without that timing to be right on point.

[@jstoned1]

Thank you ! Rattle on my K24 is so annoying!

[@SinisterBlackShadow]

Ahoy! Hey thanks man. I actually saw this video awhile back, and just recently started having the rattle. I appreciate the content!

[@Theee_Reaper]

I was always under the impression you should unlock the VTC gear before you install it rather than lock it because Honda recommends you do that. I never found a sound explanation as to why, I just always did because they say to. However your said at the end of the vid to make sure you lock it and it's just conflicting information than I previously had from Honda. If possible, can you provide a brief explanation as to why you recommend to lock it versus unlocking it?

[@saginaw60]

New ones come unlocked, yer supposed to lock 'em after install & before put chain on.

[@waynenixon729]

If your torque the cam bolt with the vvt locked.. you are putting all that torque on just the locking pin. In the un-lock position, you have all the vains taking the torque, not the picking pin.

[@damionatherton7312]

Knowledgeable information. Thank you so much for this information sir

[@battlefielding]

is it just a noise thing or does this affect performance?

[@robertdoelman2565]

1st time on ur channel. In depth nd to the point. Thank u for that. U got a new subscription from me. Def gonna check out ur other videos. Keep it up man

[@user-Slow_CL9]

Thanks for the video, really informative. Do you know by any chance a part number for exhaust cam gear bolt?

[@monkbyblood]

Going to probably end up taking the timing tensioner off tomorrow because ya I fought the exhaust cam for hours.

[@chrisC5339]

Good video, couple of years old but that's fine. You're like me in that you try to find solutions to not taking the whole engine apart to repair something, and good job of course!

[@MrEvtmazda]

Hey brother i had my k20z1 head rebuilt by a machine shop after previous rsx owner bent a exhaust valve. I used brand new supertech everything including dual 80lb valve springs, titanium retainers new lost motion springs, valves, guides, retainers. Once I got everything back together it runs great, lots of power but once the car is warmed up to operating temperature and I shut it off I hear these pinging noises from under the valve cover like the springs are unbinding. I have no misfires or issues yet but I cant for the life of me figure this out. I pulled valve cover, nothing looked weird cam lobes look fine, rechecked valve lash and set it on the looser end and the noise actually got worse. I'm gana go back in and set the lash back to normal but their is zero indication of what's making the noise. It sounds like spring or maybe a valve not seating correctly. Take a listen if you could, it's the noise right at the beginning of the video and tell me what ya think. 10 second clip. I have a longer video of about 3-4 of those loud ting noises. Gana be reaching out to 4P soon also since they know these heads in and out. Guessing a spring isnt seated right or the machine shop screwed something up. Really dont wana pull the head again. Thnx! Your videos have really helped me out when I bought my RSX. "Blazedc5" on insta. ✌ kzbin.infoHY0pTQQHQOM?feature=share

[@stevenmorales0824]

Do you have to put the chain on the same way ..

[@josediaz8994]

Thanks man...for your explanation.

[@jeremypeterson8002]

serge take apart the old VTC and show everyone how it broke

[@dc5duben96]

x2

[@clovm9810]

X3

[@carlnichols9970]

It's not actually that something "broke" Its more like stuff wearing out over a long period of time. I'm not totally sure but I would think u couldn't see the wear damage with a naked eye

[@clovm9810]

@@carlnichols9970 you can xo

[@gfriedman99]

@@carlnichols9970you can see it on the backplate

[@scottgaines6038]

Yo so I had some negative combustion inside my k24z7 engine and it threw the timing way out, when I rotate the right one back to top dead center the notches aren’t lined up even close. I don’t have very much mechanical experience but I want to get it all back into time. How can I do that at home?

[@costalamb3065]

Regarding the round punch marks on the VTC actuator and exhaust cam sprocket, are those exactly 90 degrees to the top of the chain case at TDC? Or are they skewed a little to the right or left?

[@caseyalexander2244]

If piston 1 is at TDC and the white mark on the crank pulley is lined up to the arrow on the timing cover, the two notches on the cam gears should be facing each other lined up. If they are off, the timing chain is stretched.

[@thaothao8324]

So no recall?

[@RandomPerson-sb5mw]

you didn't mark the chain where it meets the cams?

[@SejoRelentless]

great video man! good job also . sick RSX

[@Jakobpuckett]

How hard is it to remove the engine itself

[@antoniomartinez7420]

The part number is the stock replacement? Just wondering because my 03 rsx type s is making the same noise and I want to fix that

[@chvpobuilt]

Knowledgable content ✅

[@paullopez103]

Honda has a factory TSB on this issue. Very common. I'm an ASE certified mechanic and I have done a ton of these.

[@Simpleman1078]

How much does it cost

[@Freemasonshair]

Factory TSB?

[@AlexofSmeg]

i think the way you describe it isn't technically right. It's a spring and pin that locks it. This should happen when oil pressure is lost (engine stopped). The problem is the spring and pin not locking it after stopping. So the next time you start the mechanism is loose and slapping about until oil pressure builds up and it returns to normal operation

[@timothyacosta3388]

Mine makes that noise at 2k rpm even after replacing the vtc gear and the timing components. I think I'm just gonna deal with it.

[@white9th193]

Did u ever figure out the noise ?

[@florida995]

That’s low oil. Check your level

[@user-ju5hz5nb3r]

Man that's a Clean engine

[@adambessolo6166]

That’s an understatement!

[@ChuckVierra-it2jv]

Do I need to change the VTC selinoid also?

[@ChuckVierra-it2jv]

Do you also replace the exhaust gear or no need?

[@gfriedman99]

No

[@jonasobletter]

wow you actually were able to crack the vtc actuator bolt with just a breaker bar a wrench and no additional tools? Just because alot of other people seem to be struggling with this?

[@gfriedman99]

He eats spinach

[@Cruz0604]

My car makes a louder noise after it sits for a few hrs and starting it, it goes away after a few seconds, but runs like a dream when it’s warm up! What could it be?

[@bearing_aficionado]

What he just replaced. Your VTC actuator.

[@gfriedman99]

Dude you literally just watched a video about the problem and can’t figure out what caused it?

[@younome1845]

Does the VTC gear come unlocked or locked?

[@hassansafeer7411]

Is k20 k24 good and safe in long run if done in accord euro r. Cl7.?

[@michaeljutrowski3651]

Why don’t you take the 5 bolts off of the gear stretch the spring and put it back together allot easier

[@DonSchepis]

Thank you, great explanation.

[@blakewooley6626]

Dope video bro, very informative!

[@honchoJAS]

Same part number for k24a2?

[@Loustylz203]

to who ever is watching you should always mark the chain were the dot is first before taking chain off

[@rgvphill]

Bro u should make a Facebook page do what everyone is doing just add all your videos over to that platform lots of k20 groups need help

[@EJ2BSeries]

Are u using the Upgrade upper chain guide? It looks so long/big

[@100355]

That'd be the k20z3 upper chain guide

[@Daniel-xq7ny]

Hi. There are some videos out there regarding the Honda K24 and K20 engines, where they open up the front cover of the VTC actuator and than just take out the actual lock pin spring and stretch it and then they place it back in. Many claim that no more rattle after. What do you think about that? Thanks

[@dredre443]

i hear its the trick for life

[@gerxiong6299]

It really works! I’ve been driving my 2009 Accord EXL for about a month now and rattling went away! Bought 5 new hex bolts M6x30 from Home Depot, cost $6.28, and orange thread lock, cost $2.78. Took me 20 minutes! Just replace oem 5 star bolts with new bolts with thread lock, stretch the spring, tighten to 8lbs, wait 1 hour, and hear the quiet start up and no more rattling between 2-3k rpm while driving. Also while you are doing this while valve cover is off, check if your timing chain is not stretch and ok. You can tell by TDC markings on crankshaft and cam gears

[@Daniel-xq7ny]

@@gerxiong6299 Yep it does bro. But Honda will never tell you that a 2$ spring was the culprit! They preferred charging people 1500$!!

[@gfriedman99]

Doesn’t always work but it’s worth a shot

[@DJPapiatl]

NIce Job like your content always

[@colonelhacker3661]

I should have picked up an RSX instead of a civic SI, I hate having to take the damn cowel off whenever I need to work under the valve cover. ;/

[@carlnichols9970]

Yeah I feel u on that, RSX or TSX is the way to go...

[@DTuned559]

lol just leave it off

[@colonelhacker3661]

@@DTuned559 I actually did that for awhile because I knew I would be back a few times, lol :D Still have the Civic... still loving and hating it at the same time.

[@DonSchepis]

Thank you ,great video

[@vivztrucking9396]

Thanks, very helpful

[@damnjay_youmadethat572]

Great info

[@davidgreen2055]

where did you buy your vtc gear

[@Simpleman1078]

HONDA

[@fabianlucas7527]

If you don't lock it your timining marks will never line up with the cams locked at the back with the lock pins in place. Your stage 3 cams sounds good BTW.

[@michaelfagan6123]

I haven't watched the whole vid yet so bear with me. 02 crv. 260ishk on the odometer. Bought it used a few years ago. Recently developed a "tick" for lack of better terms after 1.5k rpms goes away at 3k. The noise is not noticed so much at idle mainly while driving.

[@kmsthanks]

Valve clearance?

[@hermanportorreal8409]

dude super good idea

[@ruvtecn]

Did you unlock the vtc gear?

[@gfriedman99]

No

[@jamescaneda9515]

Watched the video and read the comments. I’m never subscribing to a video that doesn’t answer any one questions. Either you don’t know, or you aren’t interested.

[@stevanbugarin303]

Just had a new timing chain kit install on my civic and it made it worse

[@edwardoperez1663]

Lucky the pin did not drop inside the timing cover or you will need to remove the whole cover.I always remove the tensioner, coz you may not know what's gonna happened next.

[@Some-day125]

Does anyone know where I can find a head liner for an 02?

[@matthewvalentine3549]

I just redid mine. Junkyard if you have one nearby?

[@Some-day125]

@@matthewvalentine3549 Not any with RSX's in them sadly

[@lgonzalez1154]

I only do it that way!change the solenoid as well! Also don't remove the exhaust cam no reason to this should only be a 35 min job!

[@venomous_5936]

I thought it was rattling again upon start up lol

[@gigihentz5510]

yeap, it did

[@NewDelhiCafe-jh5kg]

Sounded way too noisy to me as well. I have a 2007 Honda Element

[@noblewon3507]

Did you not have to use air to unlock the VTC?

[@SERGMOTIVEGARAGE]

no, the VTC comes unlocked from the box.

[@noblewon3507]

@@SERGMOTIVEGARAGE oh ok I thought you had to unlock it to take it off , learn something here , few things thxs man!

[@eddiegarcia8780]

U should have really marked the chain before u pulled out ur cam gears. I think u got extremely lucky that u put the chain back on without a single tooth off. Also, shave the point off the thumb tach before inserting into the tensioner. It will make a better seat.

[@center__feed]

I have been watching videos that had the VTC problem and the cold start sound that I had was more of a chain hitting he sides of the valve cover. kzbin.infoCbc1eBzJ0EY?feature=share What is this sound? I think its the timing belt tensioner. I could be wrong. Cold start in the morning and it goes away.

[@xxfilthydxx1273]

Can the vtc rattle during acceleration? Or only start up?

[@Alex.visualss]

Yes it can mine did that

[@SmackedBoyDraco]

@@Alex.visualss how do you fix it?

[@Alex.visualss]

@@SmackedBoyDraco I put in a new vtc actuator in it

[@That1PaintballGuy]

I'm not speaking ill.I'm just saying I think this was a simple remove&Replace service gone too far😂😂😂

[@ibntariq4457]

💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾

[@rinserepeat2877]

Scribed!!

[@realtorjeffpimentel]

This is not needed! You can leave it on and replace spring inside!!!

[@shawnquinn4356]

Could do without the disco

[@gfriedman99]

Boogie nights!

[@brendanmoore6869]

Its only the spring you guys need to change behind the plate? No need to go through all this honestly

[@gfriedman99]

U will if the spring dont work

[@daveo1446]

just replace the spring mate...

[@ralphh.2200]

That pin was lame from the start. Can't watch anymore because of that awful so-called music. Good luck

[@gfriedman99]

U don’t like disco boogie?

[@chucklyons454]

It didn't fix it

[@carlosbezares4030]

Broooooooooo

[@rg_barrow]

First

[@Castellanos988]

17:00 Sorry guy but the engine time was wrong, the noise is worst..!! Can you say what happened then..?

[@justincolon8793]

The fact he replaces th gears is wrong it's the pressure spring in the gear itself that's stretched

[@gfriedman99]

His chain is stretched