How to flood a trader compound! (7 Days to Die: Alpha 21)

[@RO_The_Hated]

A critical issue no one was addressing. You sir, are a CHAMPION!!

[@CautiousPancake]

Thanks - only the important topics are covered here :)

[@MatteBlacke]

Haha😂 What a crazy idea! You’re always doing wild stuff that nobody else would even think of trying! Amazing!

[@CautiousPancake]

Thanks! 😁

[@BigHappyMonkey]

Holy heck that is commitment. Thank you for seeing it through to the end, as im sure you wanted to stop at 3 blocks high. You're a wonderful human being and I love your videos!

[@CautiousPancake]

Thanks!! I soooo wanted to stop after 3 levels! Got there in the end though :D

[@PJF62]

Well, that's one burning question that won't keep me awake any more. Your dedication to the game is unmatched.

[@CautiousPancake]

I'm glad I'm not the only one that was losing sleep over this! 🤣

[@LordofSorrow7]

Folly is the mark of great minds. You sir are one level above let me tell you. What a dedication to your ideals. Props for that. Science has one of its most commited member here. I've had foolish ideas over the course of my playtime but I never thought of flooding a trader area.

[@CautiousPancake]

Foolish ideas can be the most fun! Even when they don't workout sometimes :D thanks for the support - I really appreciate it!

[@eightchickens]

9:01 Oh that's good sound effect there! "Just letting you folks know, Trader Joel will drown soon"

[@irrelevant_noob]

*8:52

[@crystalpetrosky6188]

Ah, yes...Cautious PanChaos at your best, good sir!!! Well done!!

[@CautiousPancake]

Thank you kindly!

[@bizzy9169]

I’m subscribing because you are doing very unique stuff this is fun to watch and I love it.

[@CautiousPancake]

Thanks Bizzy!

[@MrMacavity]

I would totally flood Trader Rekt, he had it coming

[@CautiousPancake]

😂😂

[@Old-Knight]

First video of the morning and it was amazing! Thank you :)

[@CautiousPancake]

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!

[@jonpeacock3016]

Did I ask for this? No. Did I enjoy it and watch the entire video? Yes.

[@CautiousPancake]

Hehe - excellent, thanks!

[@fred-yy6jd]

I was expecting you to give up at like 5 or 10 thousand blocks of water placed but nope and when you said you had to keep adding more buckets because it wasn't flooded enough, I smiled. This is why I'm subscribed lol I love the commitment.

[@CautiousPancake]

Thanks so much! I was so done after 3 levels lol, but had to see if that last one would make a difference! 🤪

[@Sir_Kaos]

Wow that is commitment! Love it. That last shot looking over the flooded compound kinda makes me want a flooded world to try to play on. IF ONLY THE WATER DIDN'T ABSOLUTELY SUCK TO SWIM IN. Seriously though, their "fix" to water made it even more annoying.

[@CautiousPancake]

Interestingly, on guns nerds and steel, Tem has done his mods update video this week and there was a flooded city mod on there 😃, part of me thinks it would be awesome, but the reality might not be as fun! 🤔

[@GatorDunnAZ]

This may not be the content I thought I wanted, but it turns out it was the content I needed. Thanks, you absolute legend!

[@CautiousPancake]

Glad you liked it thanks!

[@Fergus-H-MacLeod]

I definitely like the water changes that came with A21. It was long wait, but water works pretty well now. This was pretty funny. Hehe

[@CautiousPancake]

Agree - the water changes are a nice touch! Thanks for watching!

[@452jman]

That is the funniest thing to see, and looks surprisingly awesome 😅 Thank you for sharing this wacky idea.

[@CautiousPancake]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@Wanderinpaladin]

I've noticed that poi/world water just flows and flows. I just started Winterween again and like Jawoodle I had an apartment building near. My apartment sewers though had a hole into the tunnels and the tunnels under the apartment were flooded. I thought that was cool.

[@CautiousPancake]

So true! existing water sources go a long way!

[@nichjoht]

Awesome experiment! Can't wait for the 7D2D game engine allow water at different elevations; i.e. rivers flowing downhill. I do lots of map building and that is the single most concept that breaks realism.

[@CautiousPancake]

That would be cool!

[@MunchyKrunch]

If there is a lake at a higher altitude than the trader hopefully nearby you could make a aqueduct to the trader to flood it in 1 go. In my world there is a lake above a small town that I might build a horde base to use the lakes water as ammo to hold the hordes at bay and flood the town while I'm at it for funzies lol

[@scritti123]

You eere a man dedicated to the project 😂 this was very interesting! I can't imagine how long this took. Oh, I'm totally digging Infinity Hordes

[@CautiousPancake]

Thanks mate, I'm enjoying the series as well! And yes filling up the trader certainly took a bit! 😀

[@Orodreth888]

Alright. Next video is: can you drain a lake by digging down to bed rock?

[@CautiousPancake]

That was on my ideas board for the start of A21! Just always seemed to have something else more fun to do instead :D

[@sorrowschism]

Thanks! that saved me a couple hours work.

[@CautiousPancake]

Adding all the water was pure excitement :D

[@stevdor6146]

i didn't know how much i needed this

[@stevdor6146]

While I don't think traders need to breathe, you also didn't factor in that the player doesn't immediately start drowning when submerged underwater either. So you wouldn't know if he loses health until your O2 countdown reaches zero, and i think there is a perk that makes you hold your breath longer too.?? or maybe there was and it was taken out

[@CautiousPancake]

It's a good point! However there was plenty of me messing around after I filled it up and he was happy and fine every time, so I don't think it was him holding his breath, although it he was, he's gonna have a world record for sure :D

[@LadyZombieKiller]

How do you think of these ideas! LOL Thank you for another great video.

[@CautiousPancake]

Thanks for watching!

[@leenomedal-lafon5994]

That is just nuts! How do you even come up with this stuff... LOL

[@patrickblind998]

What about using rain catchers in DF? No Trader protection so you could build a smaller wall just around the trader and then the rain catchers would eventually fil it up. Plus, I have wanted a waterworld mod for the past year. You would have to model in a jet ski but think of the fun of a submerged city (not completely, just the top 4 above ground blocks, think Winterween but water).

[@CautiousPancake]

Rain catchers sound like a nice passive way to achieve it - and Waterworld YES! I've also wanted one as have a couple of other commenters since this video went up.

[@Arazthoru]

I need to ask how many hours and if that much water affected your cpu/frames or something performance wise? D: As always great info, great video I learned something new again thanks you so much

[@CautiousPancake]

Too many hours :D and I didn't notice any issues with cpu/frames - the water seems well done from that respect - otherwise there would be big frame drops when you go near lakes or the ocean! Thanks also for watching!

[@GamingAfter50]

🤣 Fun video, thanks!

[@CautiousPancake]

Glad you enjoyed it! 😀

[@GamingAfter50]

@@CautiousPancakeI did! A lot! Very creative idea, kudos!

[@Fancy_Frost]

next video: how to set traders on fire

[@CautiousPancake]

Oooh, that would be tough! 🔥

[@nivenfres]

Now watch it drain knocking 1 block out of the bottom.

[@CautiousPancake]

Lol, right when I was doing the 4th level a wandering horde came in, my new fear was them breaking the wall somewhere and draining it accidentally!!

[@carrot1977]

Trader Bob has gills 😂🤣

[@CautiousPancake]

🤣

[@blubbber]

i didn't play for long time but always wanted to build a dam in the standart map in the big valley and then flood it.... need to install and start the game it seems :D but i guess filling it complete still doesnt work.

[@CautiousPancake]

Yeah filling it will be the challenge as the water doesn't flow in a river or even downhill, it just sits where it's dropped mostly. So you can't build up a huge body of water easily or create a lake with a dam. Would be awesome if you could!

[@tigrecito48]

now do a video to see how many water blocks it takes to turn the entire navezgane map into WATERWORLD... to cover every building and only a few peaks of mountains sticking out above the water line.. thanks

[@CautiousPancake]

... see you in 2025 :D

[@Oktokolo]

Speaking of practical things - can you actually fill a moat by diverting a stream or creating a canal to the coast?

[@CautiousPancake]

You can! There's a limit to distance, depending on how deep you've gone into the lake/river/ocean, which you can increase a bit by digging the moat a block deeper (usually).

[@Oktokolo]

@@CautiousPancake I tried a few months ago and was pretty disappointed by the water flow. I hoped you would know some exploits that allow for further spread and higher flow. Because when i tested it the conclusion was to have to build sortof right next to the body of water that i want to tap. And at that point i could just build right in the lake in the first place... 7D2D needs some proper large-scale water flow physics approcimations and i would be fine if it would just update every ingame hour or so. I also never found a way to reliably alter sub-block water levels - was always half block high and increasing by full blocks. I wish thex give water some real love. It's basically irrelavant for the core gameplay loop but it adds so much flavor...

[@CautiousPancake]

@@OktokoloI hear you, and agree you're not going to be building a canal and having the ocean fill it any time soon, at least from what I've seen so far!

[@AlexTechie]

Zombies can't drown, neither can wildlife, so I already expected that the Devs didn't program breathing into Traders.

[@CautiousPancake]

haha - true, but you never know unless you try :D

[@tigrecito48]

ive been very worried since alpha 21 about building in or near water... cos now when you place frames to fill in an area full of water and then remove them the water comes back again even if you had zero water inside... i used to build bases in water or under the ground under oceans in multiplayer to be less easily found.. but its so dangerous now, cos all your efforts could be wasted if you accidentally hit water while underground... or if someone tries raiding you and breaks thru.. one good thing i guess is the raiders would probably drown trying to get your loot.. but you also wouldnt be able to get it.. is there a way around it? i wish they'd allow us to build in water again... i like the new physics but dont see why we cant be allowed to empy out the water if the base is perfectly sealed

[@CautiousPancake]

Agree it's a big risk! Only way I've seen to "reclaim" a water filled block is via sheets, but that then means you can't build on it. But you can dig down into bedrock from water once you've cleared the water using this technique (see my underwater base if you want to know more) - it's risky though should you get breached like you say!

[@tigrecito48]

@@CautiousPancake sheets are really weak as well so if anything attacks it ur screwed.. the main problem is every alp0ha they make the ground depth fewer & fewer blocks.. i used to build bases 50+ blocks out to sea so i can avoid horde nights (which no longer works in alpha 21) but often at bedrock, that far out there are now only 3-5 blocks of stone & soil before you get to water.. so it would be extremely risky to be doing that... its also a good way to avoid players finding ur base cos almost no one goes swimming out to sea so no one will hear your forges etc

[@CautiousPancake]

@@tigrecito48 Having your base right at the edge sounds cool - it would be hard work though when you want to quest?

[@tigrecito48]

@@CautiousPancake you mean the edge of the map? on multiplayer you have to do all u can to avoid being raided.. trying to hide... so its better to be far away.. the people who get raided most are the ones near traders & towns... have you ever thought of doing a playthru that is a WATERWORLD? i think it could be kinda cool.. if you could get some way to flood the entire map... u'd have to go into iron gut asap.. no guns working under water... struggling to get into poi's without running out of air... it would work good if there were already mods out there that add water stuff.. like water vehicles, maybe clothes to swim faster or extend air time under water.. if u didnt want it too deep you could make the map entirely flat rather than mountainous.. or just a few peaks... just have the water mostly cover the tops of buildings.. would make it even tougher for horde nights etc.. also since zombies spawn in now in water areas.. would be kinda like doing 7 days to die sunkenland

[@CautiousPancake]

@@tigrecito48 stop peaking at my ideas board! It's legit on there! 😀

[@JPNixon-hu2jd]

But, Rect is so much more deserving of the extra effort. Also, I would absolutely come in to help with this kind of insanity.

[@CautiousPancake]

Poor Rekt - sometimes I feel bad for him, but only until he speaks ...

[@xenoserum]

Wonder if it would flood faster on the Wasteland mod as the traiders are underground.

[@CautiousPancake]

As long as the total area is smaller it would, but if it's following the same build protected area as in the base game, then I suspect it would be the same?

[@Mossyz.]

I wonder what would happen on an horde night ??? I wonder if the water would slow them down ?

[@Orodreth888]

It used to but they swim just as fast, if a bit janky.

[@CautiousPancake]

Exactly as @Orodreth888 says :) You can use a single block of water to slow zombies slightly in a killing corridor for example, but it can make hitting them harder and it's not as effective as electric fences, so it's not something used much.

[@Mossyz.]

@@CautiousPancake In a way i can put up with the new alpha .....One thing i will point out is that the zombies path ing to us during a horde night is better .

[@CautiousPancake]

@@Mossyz. I haven't noticed much difference to be honest - what are the improvements you're seeing?

[@beaucarroll17]

how far up and down is the traders build protection?, can you dig under it at some point at all?

[@CautiousPancake]

unfortunately (or fortunately?) it's full coverage vertically - so you can't go over or under.

[@tealpacific7029]

I laughed.😆

[@marcusdailynoice7950]

[@tigrecito48]

why does the trader have a health bar, i thought they were immune to damage?

[@CautiousPancake]

I turned on god mode to check the health - since I knew they have a very large health pool, and i was worried if he was taking damage from being underwater, it might not show!

[@tigrecito48]

@@CautiousPancake but are they immune to zombie damage? and player damage? cos if they are, why do they need such a big health pool?

[@CautiousPancake]

@@tigrecito48 I know right? My best guess would be there was a time in early alpha's where traders were vulnerable, so large health pool was added - and later on they were made invulnerable, but the large health pool was left unchanged. Just a guess though!

[@conniee.]

I hate the fact that you can't have the waterblocks anymore. 🤦🏽‍♀🤨 I like making swimming pools at my large bases, but with the stupid water buckets, you can't fill up the pools right like you used to.🙄 Who wants to take hours of buckets of water to fill up a pool?🤨😖😫 Besides, the amount of buckets you'll need is ridiculous and takes up too much space in ur inventory, unlike the waterblocks. 🙄😮‍💨

[@CautiousPancake]

I know what you mean - moats and pools are impractical to make - diverting existing water sources is your best bet, but it's not something I've had work consistently well. And as you said - doing anything at size with buckets is ... not fun.

[@conniee.]

@@CautiousPancake - Update: I just found the water blocks in CM. They're in the area where you can choose what kind of soil you want, like desert, forest, snow, etc. I just filled my pool. 😄👍🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@CautiousPancake]

@@conniee. Nice - time for a relax in the pool! 🏊

[@conniee.]

@@CautiousPancake - Yep.😉👍🏼🙌🏼