How to Fold Your Gun: Matador Arms, Law Tactical, and Sylvan Arms.

[@johnmagill1011]

Thank you for the concise information. And especially for not making a 7 minute video into a 30 minute video. Few are capable of doing that.

[@2S1L3NT]

Vloggers get more money by keeping you watching for a longer amount of time. That's why they're generally wasting a lot of time, to keep you on longer.

[@ahumm8280]

more time = more ads per vid

[@GBGuns]

Or they don't know what they're going to say. Quite a few out there with little to no training or experience

[@richardh418]

I went with two Sylvan Arms gen 3 folding stock adapters. I like them very much.

[@MoH_Dank]

How are they holding up?

[@richardh418]

@blah1176 I haven't shot them much but I've had no issues with them compared to the gen 1 and gen 2 that others were complaining about which I do believe that Sylvan arms made better. The only thing I shoot alot is my 9mm pistol carbine.

[@jiujitsuforall8627]

I'm running the Gen 3 LAW on my 7.5" 300 pistol build with an H2 buffer (BCA side-charging upper) and with 110 and 150 gr home-rolled (minimum range loads) I've had ZERO problems with over 500rds. Great ejection pattern, no FTE's/FTF's, all good. Haven't run any max loads or subs yet.

[@glockmeister3579]

The extra weight really is like running a heavy buffer, I've been running the Sylvan Arms for about a year now and the only problem I have had is the alen head bolt loosened up but it was a easy fix, I know those guys and they have a great company

[@richardh418]

I just recently invested in two of the generation 3 models last month and I like them.

[@WhatAreYouBuyen]

On AR pistols that I have experienced, a heavier buffer or that extended weight on the bolt shouldn't be a problem since you usually see over gassing issues more often on pistols anyways.

[@memoriespast1499]

dood.. good video man.. i love the way you started out straight to the point... no nonsense or bla bla bla first... very nice video too

[@artist_with_a_gun]

Great video. Answered all my questions about these folding adapters. Law Tactical it is then.

[@DanaWebb2017]

I went with the Law Tactical, a pretty pricey unit but very solid and well made.

[@flawless1up]

agreed, love the law tactical

[@lostarts26]

The law tactical actually allows you to fire once while open. It holds the bolt in place, so you only get one shot. You then can close it, and charge a round.

[@johnyang6969]

Definitely going with Law Tactical. The Original

[@scottloutner5253]

Just needs a rare earth magnet. Like my Christensen arms .308 to hang on to the stock when folded

[@MicahsRants]

Great video brotha! I just ordered my Law Tactical! I will be getting a Sylvan Arms for another build.

[@ggcuervo]

I have the Law Tactical w/ Dolos combo on my AR and it has been working flawlessly. I also got a Stribog but I put a Safety Harbor Firearms adapter plate which allows me to put a Sig MCX arm brace on, or CZ Scorpion type armbrace.

[@t77snapshot]

Note, the LT adapter can be safely fired when in the open position, however it will not cycle the next round.

[@BadEnergyJohn]

I was gonna say, i saw a video where a guy did it over and over. Just had to manually cycle after you unfold.

[@jiujitsuforall8627]

I just ordered the LAW folder in FDE for my 300 BO 7.5" pistol "truck gun". Can't wait!! As of Aug 18, 2020, Optics Planet has the LAW in stock.

[@morninglattes]

Good comparison video

[@XrayMike17plus1]

I've got a Law Tactical on a DI AR15 300BO which has worked well. I also have 5.56 and 300BO bufferless, short-stroke piston driven BRN180-S pistols with SBT side-folding FF1913A's that attach to the picatinny rails. IMO they make up for the lack of length of pull adjustment by being removable and offer um, retention of ownership options not found on traditional AR pistols.

[@JTTV72]

I have a LAW folder and a Sylvan both fire and function flawlessly. I have standard buffers in both AR pistols both chambered in 5.56. The sylvan and Law is will increase your LOP by about 1.5”

[@_DST0NE_]

Just what I was looking for the Matador SideWinder will be perfect on the POF Rebel.22 🤘

[@lmassey1984]

Great videos. Always helpful and outside the box of typical content. Thanks!

[@UncleDanBand64]

Very nice overview of the folding options 👍

[@alejandromeneses3788]

Love the Dawn Patrol 🙌🏼

[@thejpalbano]

Vseven is awesome! Have that too.

[@joncbabin]

Excellent video. I am a pistol and shotgun person, but I always enjoy your work.

[@piplup10203854]

This video is super helpful. I can see why people like the Law Tactical. The sylvan arms is a better price but that gap really breaks the flow of the firearm 🫠 it doesn’t look good. I like it but the gap annoys me. Law tactical it is lol

[@MrJohnnyDistortion]

The ball bearings in the last one will cause wear in matching areas from folding & unfolding.

[@steveb548]

Thanks for the vid and info. Considering the Matador for the SP9A1 I ordered. Update: Ordered and received. Unfortunately, when I purchased the Stribog as a package deal from PSA, they left out the brace adapter. They are going to send one and I should have it in a few days.

[@jeremytaylor9907]

When your videos hit they hit hard! I'm looking forward to an update on your POF Revolution in 2021 hopefully! And lower .308 prices lol

[@GBGuns]

I got it back, it looks like they rebarreled, but I still can't group well with it. I'm going to try it again when I have time. I still love the gun, but may have to accept that it's only going to give me battle rifle accuracy. I'll be OK with that, and still trust the gun, just bummed that for so much money and trouble it's not as ultimate as I thought it would be.

[@gateaccess818]

excellent comparison, thank you!

[@Citizen2ACitizenLLC]

Great review.... I have the SA and Law Tactical. I haven’t installed the law tactical yet..... waiting for additional parts.... again, great video... just sub’d.

[@thechillest94]

i really like youre 300 build

[@jthrasher47]

I hate how people always say cheap palmetto yeah palmetto is cheap financially but literally them and aero precision were made in the same exact factory to the same exact standard even had the same exact Forge stamp on them for years. The only reason they don't anymore is because palmetto now bought a facility and machines there lowers themselves.. I only know this cuz I live very close to their headquarters

[@iamscoutstfu]

I thought that was well known. It's one of their major selling points that they can provide such affordable solutions because of their in-house manufacturing.

[@whiteninjazx6r]

Aero does all their stuff in house and has for years. Plus is leaps and bounds better quality than PSA. Dont get me wrong, PSA is fine. Not bashing it.

[@JoeyP322]

Thanks for the information... just bought an Extar EP9... my next purchase will be the Siborg. I’m looking at the Sig Sauer MCX/MPX... it slides closed then opens. Love the look on it

[@texasghost6725]

Joey P stribog.

[@vtxdaryl]

On the first pistol you have the Castle Nut on backwards.

[@texasghost6725]

Homefront sure is easy talking crap from miles away. Kids do that! Men say it in person.

[@asymsolutions]

@@texasghost6725 And where is the insult? He's stating a fact. The castle nut orientation is important for multiple reasons, such as torque application and staking. There is nothing wrong with pointing out an error in mechanical assembly, as we all make mistakes. I have done it, others have done it, and pointing it out without insult (which carlton did) has saved lives...in my own experience. Nothing wrong here, don't look for a fight where there shouldn't be one.

[@asymsolutions]

@MS NPC it still has vibrational force on it...and the fact that he put it on backwards on a castlenut that doesnt have the cutouts on both sides screams of being handthreaded and not torqued. And I already knew there is no buffer, but i didnt think you would waste bringing up something that doesnt matter.

[@asymsolutions]

@MS NPC how about the "expert" learn something about being a mechanic before acting like he knows more than others.

[@vtxdaryl]

MS NPC I have two Stribogs, the first generation (reciprocating) and second generation (non reciprocating) charging handles. I have close to 300 shotguns, military collectible firearms, pistols, NFA Suppressors, SBRs, AOW Serbu shotgun, AR pistols in 556, 7.62x39 and 22lr. and of course standard ARs most with Timney or Rise triggers and some have Trijicon RMR red dots and of course a very nice collection of cowboy style pistols, rifles, shotguns. Two original Winchester 97 shotguns, one is used and the other one looks almost brand new. I have modern pistols too, S&W. Glock, Sig Sauer, Ruger, Colt 1911 collectibles, regular 1911 by different manufacturers, CZ pistols, almost every model except the very high end ones and I mean over $2000 ones. I have between 15,000-20,000 rounds of ammo. You name it, I probably have the caliber gun and ammo. I have over 50 years of buying, trading and selling over 1000 guns and no I am not a dealer. I am someone who enjoys working on guns. Almost all my guns have been completely taken apart, parts replaced or polished and cleaned then put back together. Yes and I do the same for friends guns because it’s my lifelong hobby. SO YES IT DOES MATTER IF YOU HAVE THE CASTLE NUT ON BACKWARDS, IT DOES NOT PROPERLY TIGHTEN UP THE WAY IT IS THREADED ON. Now is there anything else firearm related I can point out to you?

[@voodoo1449]

Law Tactical ALL THE WAY

[@GunzNlakers]

Lawtactical. Cost $$$ but it’s top of the line

[@kabal28]

I was able to successfully buy a law tactical from brownells. Wrong time to buy one since its a $100 more then it was back in 2019, and sells out within minutes or hrs. Guess I'll count myself lucky

[@GBGuns]

What matters is if it's worth it to you

[@dotheymakethatformen]

Thank you for the video!

[@ianleach4641]

Thanks for this. I didn’t even know about the other 2 (beside The Law) adapters

[@GBGuns]

I figure I spent money learning, might as well share it

[@joshuamitcham1519]

Had the Sylvan for a year and upgraded the retainer pin to the ring type. I don't see a problem with the bolt carrier making contact like I did with the pin type,also Lantac suppressor bolts OD is too large to work with the Sylvan Arms Ring type retainer. I am looking at removing the folding mechanism altogether simply because it's just another item to break at the worst possible moment. I like the compact design,I enjoy the smaller,lighter carbine type rifles but I see no reason to have it given the current state of affairs. Might as well pop on an actual stock..

[@TruthBombz]

I went with an AK platform that can fire with the stock folded.

[@dreamkiss4u]

if you measure them in total length you can see that the Law tactical is way bigger more bulky almost twice the size but the gap from the other one is just that they did not cover it with more housing like law tactical made there device but it is still bigger than the one with the gap....tho i wonder if you can just ad a spacer to cover the gap like the law tactical looks and is designed to cover it.

[@FlamingRobzilla]

Is that a retched castle nut on the Law tactical gun? Very cool looking. May I ask who makes it?

[@meandmyRC99]

Thank you.

[@Thejudge4545]

So should 55 grain rounds do the job when it comes to reliability? Cause I am going to get a 8.5 upper.

[@junglefatigues123]

For 5.56/.223 the minimum barrel length is 10" the rounds loses too much velocity at the muzzle to get good penetration and lacks fragmentation at even 20 yards. I run a 10.5 and have seen good results on ballistic mediums with 55grain projectiles

[@jacksongil9123]

How much are those adaptor .

[@crazyhawk99]

Good comparison. Answered the question I had regarding the Sylvan Arms and that was bulk and if it’s worth the cost savings. For me, it is not. I’ll still with the LT.

[@undrasr001]

Actually the SA is smaller than the LT look at the side by comparison.

[@sciondar79]

Good video. Thanks for the info!

[@dwaneanderson8039]

It appears that the sidewinder is symmetric top to bottom, so it would be possible to mount it to swing to the other side. Is this correct? Is it possible to remove the hinge/button and install it on the other end of the hinge? It looks like it should be possible by removing the Allen screw. If so, you could modify the locking mechanism so that it will unlock without pushing the button. You just need to take it apart and file the edges of the locking surfaces at an angle so they will cam when you pull on the stock.

[@pawpatina]

any basic home gunsmith could easily get all those threads to disappear on the sylvan arms. remove your stop pin, run folder almost all the way in, mark with punch where pin will be, cut off excess tube and re-notch for stop pin... at least thats what i did with mine...

[@johnholmes7827]

The SP a1 very easy convert for anything even full rock n roll only problem is the caliber it should of started out as a 45 mag like they first promised but ok for plinking

[@GBGuns]

I don't think they'd start with a .45. It's a European gun and 9mm is the most-used handgun caliber in the world.

[@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017]

I want one of those SP9A1's so bad.

[@shojus]

Most DEFINITELY spend the extra money on that Law Tactical folding adapter, it's light years ahead of the build quality and fit & finish of the Sylvan Arms adapter, IMO...

[@explod329]

This here is what you call a fan boy or some one from LAW Tatical. First of all, I own both and the law is not any better then the Sylvan gen 3. There is no way I would spend that much money on the Law again and If I would have purchased the Sylvan first I NEVER would have bought the law.

[@shojus]

@@explod329 Actually I own 2 of the Law Tactical and have owned a few Sylvan products. To say that Sylvan is in the same playing field as the Law Tactical is just plain nuts, so don't go there. The Sylvan is bigger and clunkier and while it DOES work, I have never heard of anyone say they preferred the Sylvan, but to each his own. And no, I don't work and am not sponsored by ANY company, just watch videos and leave comments just like you did.

[@explod329]

@@shojus yup. Some people likes to say they have name brand. Some people likes to save money. Some people likes red, some likes blue. Im willing to bet you do not own a Sylvan.

[@shojus]

@@explod329 I did own one, I sent it back to Sylvan for a refund. I do own other Sylvan products for the CZ Scorpion. Don't assume what people own and what experiences they have, cause assumptions make YOU look bad. If you read my first comment, I stated it was MY opinion, so maybe you have a different opinion, but why try and tell me that I'm some kind of shill that never even tried their products just because you seem to have a love affair over it? I prefer the Law Tactical and have used BOTH extensively, so that's all you need to know. It you like the Sylvan, than that's great! 😁👍

[@explod329]

@@shojus good for you. You got on KZbin telling people that the law was light years ahead. There is no reason to give false statements. There are people that want honesty and that response from you is insane. If you are willing to pay $129 + more dollars to have a 1 /16 of an inch smaller product than let it be. The Sylvan is a Great product at a hell of a lot cheaper price. Opinions are like assholes, we all have them. Good luck with your law and I hope it serves you well.

[@isawit9722]

Thanks

[@454pakr]

Good info, thanks!

[@bigal7561]

Good to know and good vid. thanks

[@lynoj777]

Hi! How are doing… just want to ask if the sylvan the Gen 4? among the 3 folders, which one would you prefer the best ?

[@marcuse4594]

Thanks 👍

[@Zr2BrOVERLANDER]

I have a left handed upper (ejection port AND forward assist on the left hand side). Do you think that these folders would clear this hardware being on the same side?

[@Steve_Jaz]

im confused how they both advertise only increasing length of pull by 1.3 inches... the sylvan arms looks like it extends much longer than the law tactical or am I wrong??

[@tarugo1851]

how do you choose the right spring and buffer?

[@expertadvice4u]

Nice. Any. Modern under folder options?

[@wood-wheel-wizard]

Nikon optic? Fancy!

[@GBGuns]

It works

[@bonespiel]

Are you planning on range testing these Firearms to see if any additional modifications are necessary?

[@GBGuns]

Yes, eventually.

[@Raymo2u]

SBTactical Folding Adapter is the cheapest, great for AR15 22lr Conversions or firearms with no buffer. Deadfoot Arms Folder is the best...

[@Djcsquared]

Which one would you recommend for the Brigade BM9?

[@GBGuns]

You'll need the LAW Tactical for that since it need movement to pass through.

[@kpnomad7]

Did you try sylvan buffer retainer nut in place of the normal retainer pin??? Thx

[@GBGuns]

This was so long ago I don't recall and the products have likely changed since then too

[@jimmymcjimmyvich9052]

Hello. Would anyone know of a kit to make a Ruger RPR rimfire rifle fold? Please.

[@zackadams3405]

Anyone have issues with the Law scraping their thumb knuckle when putting it on safe?

[@EddieChiu]

Hi I'm thinking of building a 7.62x39 AR platform pistol. Would the Law Tactical work for that build and could you recommend buffer weight and buffer spring? Also, does it need a modified bcg?

[@sika22]

With the carrier bolt extension, are you still able to separate the upper and lower or does the bolt extension keep them together? Just wondering about take down and cleaning.

[@GBGuns]

You can, but you have to remove the bolt carrier extension. It's only held in with friction.

[@briangoodwin9651]

Can the law adapter still work the same with the stribog if you add it to the stock adapter?

[@BlaccJaccBassist]

What is that first gun you showed? With the engravings and stuff

[@jlmaster1]

Stribog is a 9mm pistol carbine. Wait for the non reciprocating handle to come out.

[@johnparrish9215]

OK, I'm mental. I want an AR pistol in 458 SOCOM. Why??? I have no idea, I just do.

[@scosoexterior9125]

John Parrish, do it man! If you ever get attacked by an elephant you are protected. Lol

[@robertemory441]

I have a 458 ar pistol With law tacticol folder on it for sale now! GunBroker.

[@bearlylegal1737]

Very informative. Start an affiliated website so you can post links for your monetary gain.

[@GBGuns]

Sorry, GBGuns is not for sale or rent. We will not compromise our journalistic integrity to push products.

[@bearlylegal1737]

@@GBGuns if anyone chooses to purchase any of these three products because of the intuition you provided, I think it's fair you atleast get your share. They are products you'd recommend and trust.

[@Ducklesworth]

1:30 how do u keep the buffer tube from spinning out? In a normal ar that is the back plate because even if you screw the castle nut on tight the tube could still spin out, is there no pin?

[@maxpain6822]

It's called a detent pin yours is gone

[@TheJoker-xw8zg]

Nice 300 blackout

[@kennethmcclain2918]

I have trouble with my Law Tactical folder not closing smoothly. I always have to depress the button to close mine and it's a pain literally and figuratively. Any suggestions??

[@GBGuns]

Have you contacted LAW?

[@kennethmcclain2918]

@@GBGuns yes they told me to keep trying break it in, so to speak, but its not budging.

[@bscott1964]

What kind of charging handle is on the pistol

[@brandonlatimer8347]

Looks like a radian raptor

[@0belowzero]

bscott1964 the raptor, and yes it is awesome

[@John98512]

3:45, who makes that dust cover?

[@jasondutchman6736]

That looks like a V Seven brand "ultra-light AR-15 port door" dust cover

[@emilio9831]

Looking at this. It looks like it wouldnt work with my JP enterprise buffer system. Or would it?

[@ericmccall1789]

emilio9831 JP has made an adapter to work with law tactical folder.

[@FatgirlMickey]

Why is it that all the videos with this folding but stock on the 300 blackout they have not shot a round through it? Why can't u make o review video on how well it works not on how well it looks and folds down?

[@GBGuns]

Because that's not what this videos was about. This video lists options for folders

[@BTeezy82]

Have you tried deadfoot arms? You can shoot folded

[@GBGuns]

Not yet.

[@christophermichaelson9050]

This feature is not always desired; in some locations, the inability to fire while folded is what keeps it legal.

[@Latinos4Trump]

Christopher Michaelson Um... You can still Fire with the LAW folded, just not recommended guy.

[@johnsanchez3236]

You have to use their own bcg I believe, idk Law seems a lot simpler and half the price.

[@marcusb7425]

@@Latinos4Trump You can only fire one round though because the bolt will not reciprocate without the buffer tube.

[@richiesosa9266]

Like that pistol what are the specs?

[@qcole74]

So you can put a folder on a rifle right?

[@GBGuns]

Yes, unless your state has a law against it

[@sokka12298]

Will a jpscs for law tactical work in the sylvan?

[@nickgotti3566]

Could I use a A2 stock on this?

[@Adamorevo]

Remove the hinge rod and file off the locking mechanism.

[@Alfania_Almey]

I am from indonesia... how can i order adaptor from matador arms... please...

[@frankhellman6879]

I tried to fold my PPQ. It broke.

[@tedbarsalou]

I tried to fold my dog. He bit the shit out of me.

[@tomtrang6755]

Great video, does any of the folding system fit a CMMG Banshee?

[@stephenlott6968]

Tom Trang - Excellent idea. The Banshee has a buffer tube so I think it should fit. That would make the greatest AR pistol even better. If you do it, please make a video about it.

[@wood-wheel-wizard]

Newsflash we want everything bufferless!

[@GBGuns]

Then you should look for videos from the years when bufferless became the new trend, not videos from before then.

[@johnholmes7827]

That was the first press release but it's cheaper to make it 9m

[@dwstrange334]

Great video. I love the Law Tactical build with the bolo (sp?) system. Can i ask how much the whole build cost on that one?

[@GBGuns]

That was a pricey one. The Dolos system, Law Tactical, and V Seven upper made up most of the cost. You'll have to check around to see what the going rates are. It also has the Brownell's light-weight bolt carrier.

[@JasonStPierre]

@@GBGuns I do like the idea of the LAW & DOLOs combo (Very Much) but my take or hypothesis is just disassembling the upper & lower with extended takedown pins $10 might be just as fast and perhaps more reliable although far less fun or cool. I would add Raven concealments TopStop AR Upper Receiver Cover $10 and OPTIONALLY a good bag to ready the system like the Grey Ghost Gear Apparition SBR Short Barreled Rifle Bag (holds a 10.5 AR assembled 27" to 33" rifle) to this idea too. The cost would be around $25-36 bucks not counting the bag and assure your weapon uses all mil-spec parts for long term repair & reliability. No matter what you carry it must go bang every time! I also use a folding grip (MAKO AGF-43S) and 10 round mag of lead tips in mine to keep my AR pistol smaller to facilitate fast deploy and fit in many truck center consoles. Cheers!

[@robertfoote3255]

@@JasonStPierre Using the "take down pins" will not retain the bolt carrier group.... The only thing retaining the BCG is the charging handle latch.. As a back pack weapon it will easily dislodge and fall into pieces in your bag....been there done that... And the Dolos system...the barrel and handguard are loose pieces that rattle..... I have a LAW folder and the Cry Havoc take down system.....all pieces are positive assemblies that latch together..... 🤠

[@JasonStPierre]

@@robertfoote3255 this is exactly why the topstop I mention exists.

[@flawless1up]

@@robertfoote3255 law tactical is awesome. cry havoc is a black friday order for me this year. fingers crossed hoping for a deal

[@arandomguy719]

Would these work with the extar ep9?

[@allamericanshooter6287]

@Graham Do You know if he law folder will work with a left side ejecting ar upper?

[@GBGuns]

That would likely depend on the stock or brace used, if it blocks ejection or not

[@allamericanshooter6287]

@@GBGuns sb3 But I would think that the buffer tube might be what would make contact, I would really like to know what the how big the gap from upper to buffer tube is to see if there would be clearance...

[@JBostwick22]

What buffer tube connection is this on the stribog?

[@bombink1968]

Looks like the GP version from DK or MM etc. Safety Harbor also has a version. Has the backing plate insert design. Both are very good and work. Carried at many other distributors as well.

[@vegas2107]

Does the forward assist get in the way when trying to fold it with a left side ejection upper for the SA or LAW?

[@noahblanks2580]

only folds to the left of the firearm

[@vegas2107]

@@noahblanks2580 I know that. That doesn’t answer my question.

[@noahblanks2580]

Oh shoot. I looked over that you were using a left side eject. One sec. I’ll try it on mine real fast.

[@noahblanks2580]

@vegas Noah Sorry for the delay but I tried it on a Stag arms upper I have and it does not clear the forward assist. It pushes the SBA3 I have out about 30 degrees off the side.

[@vegas2107]

@@noahblanks2580 Dang that stinks. Unless I modify the forward assist it might fold all the way maybe. The only other thing to possibly do is get another upper for right side ejection & new barrel. I don’t mind a right side ejection. That’s something I can deal with. Thanks for your help. I definitely appreciate it!!

[@cionebang4407]

i want the ar pistol you have :/

[@charliehustle4790]

Tha law tactical is the Cadillac of the folding braces....

[@GBGuns]

If you need reciprocation in the tube. If you don't the Matador is the way to go.