How to Fw 190 A-5 - MCN (Model Change Notification) - IL-2: Battle of Kuban

A brief Video about the novelties and features of the Fw 190 A-5 in comparison to the Fw 190 A-3.
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[@tiagodagostini]

The speed difference of A3 to A5 is BOTH due to the nose shape and due to the more efficient engine FAN (that draws less power from the engine (the A3 Fan eats 17% of the engine power just for that) , and that can be used because the longer nose allow for better natural heat dispersion).

[@kailae3269]

BTW, the A5 with the U17 modification was later renamed the Fw190 F-3.

[@Slahinki]

According to techincal data, the A3 and A5 should have the same top speeds. The only major difference is that on the A5 the BMW 801 D-2 was moved forwards by inserting a 160mm "plug" between the rear of the engine cowling and the fuselage. This had no effect on performance, though it and the other minor changes to equipment increased the loaded weight by 5kg, from 3850kg to 3855kg. Numbers and stuff are from Focke-Wulf Fw 190 Volume One: 1938-1943 by J. Richard Smith and Eddie J. Creek.

[@tiagodagostini]

The engine fan also was changed into one more efficient that "wasted"less power than the older one. that means more Engine power used to pull the plane.

[@ParkRangerStan]

Yes, looking at actual German historical testing during 1942-43 the top speed results are basically the same. Test results of course varied for each aircraft from test to test. The most consistent top speed result for each aircraft was ~408-410 mph @ 6300-6700 m (again, varied by test). To be conservative you could say between 400-410 mph. The A-5 was basically just an A-3 with better ground attack capabilities. That said, the curves are a bit different, and it looks as though the A-5 might have been ~10 mph faster on the deck @ 1.42 ata. Could be a fluke in testing, or maybe it represents a true performance gap. Who knows.

[@CheckSix]

Thanks for the info, detailed as always 👍

[@old_guard2431]

Very informative, Sheriff. Some points below, based on Wikipedia-level research which is perhaps not the ultimate in authority and scholarship. Bearing in mind that the justification for abandoning further development of the Stuka was that the Fw-190 was to replace it, essentially substituting an up to date fighter-bomber for the obsolete dive bomber in the ground attack roll. 1. 1-gun pods (adds 2) - The MG FF is a lighter and simpler gun (blowback operated). Reportedly 26.3 KG per gun. The trade-off is lower fire rate and lower velocity. 2. 2-gun pods (adds 4) - The MG 151/20 is more complex and much heavier. Reportedly 42 KG per gun. So, twice the guns but three times the weight (not including ammo). Hence the greater speed and roll-rate penalty, probably accurately modeled. 3. They essentially give you the choice between three different versions of the A-5. The default version appears to be the A-5/U3, a light fighter-bomber (Jagdbomber, "Jabo"). Second version - MG 151/20 gun pods - might be the A-5/U12, bomber interceptor. (Except you should lose the inboard wing-mounted cannons. . .) The version with both centerline and wing-mounted bombs. . . Does not appear in Wikipedia. Game developers may have "adapted" the A-5/U8 substituting bombs for under-wing drop tanks. So perhaps some creativity was exercised. But I have to sympathize - the "Axis" needs better ground attack to consistently have a chance to win in multiplayer. Whether actual players will use it. . . Dogfighting is more fun. Personally I would rather hit ground targets with a cumbered-up Fw-190 than a Sturmovik. I love the Sturmovik, but typically un-escorted it is cannon fodder in multiplayer.

[@SheriffsSimShack]

Ze link to my Discord. discordapp.com/invite/NrJcdg4 Everyone is invited! Cheers.

[@mannschaftvonarschloch1214]

No ur invited. REKT

[@JustPlaneStupid69]

One of my favorite Discord servers. You guys always seem to have folks who are down to fly.

[@taytaytay871]

thank you. I will join soon on discord

[@dasSofa]

Nice Video, thanks !

[@v44n7]

Amazing video!

[@jameswilliams1085]

Great video, many thanks

[@WNrHuot]

I can literally feel that A5 is more sluggish loss more energy when you try to pull g. the adjustable engine cooling slits can contribute some speed increasing marginally. but never test out how much speed you can get from it.

[@Ze_Hairy]

take my like

[@RedBravo65]

Great video.

[@jacobhill3302]

5:40 lol that locomotive noped out of there...

[@Mishadedogist]

as someone who mostly flies Russia and generally likes the Rus aesthetic more, the FW-190s we have look so amazingly sleek and sexy in general

[@CheckSix]

Misha dedogist Those radials sounds awesome too 😀

[@Mishadedogist]

yep love the I16 La5 and FW sounds

[@nickmitsialis]

Yeah, we need somebody to fly one of those 'original' FWs for real and give their impression. Recently an experienced stunt pilot got to fly a restored BF109G4 & he wrote about the experience in a very colorful way-maybe too colorful but here's a linky: www.warhistoryonline.com/guest-bloggers/newly-restored-messerschmitt-bf109g-flies-test-pilot-shares-experience.html

[@tonykeith76]

Awesome article! I have this pilot between my friends on fb :-D

[@blankblank6545]

"The Black Sea landing made a succesfull landing"

[@SteelBollocks]

hey, IL2 has to continue its proud tradition of mangled english in map notifications

[@SheriffsSimShack]

+SteelBollocks it's the server. The admins are russian. And yes it's basically traditional there

[@scallie6462]

Sheriff's Sim Shack lol but the base game campaign missions are very similar with the broken english. It's rather funny tbh, everything you really need to know is easily understood.

[@MrCatlolz]

Hey Sherrif, it is faster because it has slightly more horsepowers in IL-2 afaik. There are many different sources, some are quoted to say they had the same, but some say that was different. There were a few different versions out there, and never underestimate the German mechanic in the actual field.

[@HerraTohtori]

German (and other) aircraft were operated with a wide gamut of engine settings at different times of the war, depending on what kind of settings the RLM considered acceptable balance between reliability and performance. Especially the Bf 109 - both the DB 601 and DB 605 powered variants - had different engine power at different times of the war, depending on how much manifold pressure they were officially rated for. Minor improvements in production and sourcing of certain parts, such as spark plugs, and some tweaks in engine settings (ignition timings etc.) solved a lot of initial reliability problems, which eventually led to higher approved power ratings. I can't recall off the top of my head, but I would not be at all surprised if the Fw 190 A series with the BMW 801 radial engine also had different manifold pressure ratings at different times of war, so different power settings can be correct even if the engine is basically the same thing.

[@SheriffsSimShack]

The settings in ata and rpm remained the same from a3 to a5. And what a surprise to see you commenting here right now. I just watched your.... il2 take off.

[@HerraTohtori]

Ah, I see. Were the ratings for the BMW 801 really kept constant throughout those early variants? Considering the extremely wide variety of ratings issued for the DB 600 series engines at different times of war (for Friedrichs and Gustavs alike), I find that surprising! Also, hah, that IL-2 take-off was so funny how it just dropped back to its wheels and rolled away like nothing happened. *Totally* meant to do that... :D

[@madlarkin8]

Bombing the way you do, i would set the bomb timer to 1s.

[@SheriffsSimShack]

that increases the risk that the bombs don't arm altogether

[@tomservo5347]

I couldn't help but think that steam locomotive is thinking "I'm getting the F outta here, coal tender be damned!".

[@jordancaleb5790]

hello, can you do a how to on how you set up head tracking? I got the open track with a PS3 camera and head clip. I am finding it to be a complete gongshow to set up, not exactly user friendly. Im ready to send it back. At first it was just wrong curve set up. When I tried looking to the back of my cockpit, the view would suddenly drop down to the seat at a certain point. Anyhow I got the curve set almost perfect and then of course it couldnt still work. I can see the view moving nice and smooth exactly how I want it, but the screen is now flashing constantly with a view of straight forward. Arg

[@SheriffsSimShack]

that sounds like you have some conflicts in the setup. I dont use open track and cant help you with this specifially. But first I can invite you to my discord, there are many people with different setups and they have open track as well and it works flawlessly. Here is the link to the discord: discordapp.com/invite/NrJcdg4 2nd this guide might help as well: forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/34403-a-complete-guide-to-set-up-head-tracking-opentrack/

[@jordancaleb5790]

@@SheriffsSimShack cool thanks ya I already followed that guide. The flashing screen is a mystery

[@spinnetti]

Isn't mixture full rich at take off? :) (yellow rather than blue flame on startup)

[@SheriffsSimShack]

When you throttle up the mix goes full rich

[@Marv.s95]

I cant find the key mapping for the outlet cowl shutter. Can someone help?

[@SheriffsSimShack]

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[@Marv.s95]

Thank you very much

[@dkoor]

Nothing like when someone randomly writes " 666666!!! " in chat... it was a hit from IL-2 vanilla back in 00's.

[@christaylor8271]

If I plan to get BoK when it hits Steam, since it comes with the A-5, is there any reason to get the A-3 as well?

[@geraldjarreau]

if you are playing online, there may be some maps that don't have the A5 but do have the A3. Not sure if that qualifies as a reason.

[@christaylor8271]

Jerry Jarreau I decided to buy the A3 during the Halloween sale anyway. :D

[@SheriffsSimShack]

yeah I recommend the A3 as well

[@uscstaylor]

What are your guns convergence set to...Just curious

[@SheriffsSimShack]

I use 400m

[@mr_derpo9729]

Sheriff I think I just saw you on Wings of Liberty today

[@SheriffsSimShack]

Alexander Ng yes

[@kowinator1]

Hallo sehr interessantes Video. Ich habe erst seit kurzem, il2 Stalingrad. Wie komme ich an die FW 190?

[@SheriffsSimShack]

Wenn du die premium variante hast, dann hast du schon die A-3. wenn nicht musst du die A-3 eineln dazu kaufen. Die A-5 ist in Battle of Kuban.

[@kowinator1]

@@SheriffsSimShack Ah ok ich habe das über Steam gekauft

[@SheriffsSimShack]

@@kowinator1 store.steampowered.com/app/307971/IL2_Sturmovik_Fw_190_A3_Collector_Plane/ oder über den store il2sturmovik.com/store/collector-planes/

[@kowinator1]

@@SheriffsSimShack Ja super habe sie auch gerade gefunden. Danke sehr, ist echt nett 😁👍👍👍. Schönes Wochenende und ein Abo, hab ich da gelassen.

[@andreastimper9848]

Hi Sheriff, wie kriegst Du's hin, dass Du in der 190 so gut nach hinten sehen kannst? Wenn ich mich umdrehe, sehe ich außer der Kopfstütze quasi nix...

[@DerSheriff]

kopf vor und zur seite, dann zurückschauen

[@armin4823]

Nice!

[@SheriffsSimShack]

jetzt erst?^^

[@armin4823]

@@SheriffsSimShack Habs jetzt mal wieder angeschaut ^^. Bin nicht so der Kommentierer :D. Wollte wissen wie das mit den Kühlerklappen ist.

[@zedgraphics00]

Is il2 more realistic than Warthunder? I think the answer is yes, but can you give me your opinion? Thanks.

[@SheriffsSimShack]

Alexandre yes.

[@tiagodagostini]

and that YES is by a LOT....

[@consul.5557]

Tiago D'Agostini true dat... Unless u ple da sim batals wit dat joystick (I spelt wrong on purpose)

[@user-et7ro9gs9o]

Is this valid comparison after 3 years? A-5 seems a little bit slower in the game.

[@SheriffsSimShack]

Still up to date.

[@user-et7ro9gs9o]

With fully closed outlet cowl shutters my A-5 has the same speed as A-3. 100% fuel, 86% throttle, 300m altitude

[@zhouweiart]

有字幕 谢谢大圣

[@hon0p]

Thanks for the info! I guess you're flying with a desk joystick like maybe T16000? I see it soooo much that your sensitivity isn't linear. You miss a lot of shoot cause of that. I hope one day you will enjoy a full length, center mounted obviously, joystick.

[@SheriffsSimShack]

it is linear. And I guess I am fine.

[@hon0p]

My apologies if my comments offended you and/or Sheriff himself. It was really not my intention. To illustrate what I mean, please look at 10min, I just have trouble to believe the inaccuracy ("jerky pitch up/down") we see was intended. To me this is typical to non linear setting, either intended or not like in the X52. Anyway I really like his video, and I think I read somewhere he use a simple T16000. So I thought we could do something for him. Please see here to get the idea : www.reddit.com/r/hotas/comments/777r20/virpil_mongoos_t50_dual_controller_review/dol3gp3/?st=j91fwl5x&sh=48a7efd4

[@SheriffsSimShack]

hon0p ah that. I was jerking around because I had trouble to judge his movement and I didn't want to collide. Additionally it was hard to see him. And once again my js setting is linear and sine I use my current js I have no problems aiming. My accuracy is between 10-20% which I don't see that often . But no no offense taken. There is no question that a large stick is even better. But there is the question of money and first and foremost space. The reason why your comment is perceived that way is cause you judge my aiming or what by one or two moments. This is a little weird. But everything is fine. Cheers

[@tanthiri5493]

Are you certain the information in this is still up to date? I’ve done some research recently and I’ve found that I can reliably find sources that show the 190 A5 only just as fast as the A3 and slower in fact at higher altitudes. The turn rate of the A3 is also substantially better compared to the A5 according to the sources I’ve looked at. For the last few months I’ve found that the A3 is superior to the A5 and that there is little reason to fly the A5 other than instrument improvements and load out options. If this information is out of date you should up date it, it’d be nice to have a definitive answer and if it is actually still update could I see your sources?

[@SheriffsSimShack]

I should be accurate to some degree. The A-5 still has the Covers on the outlets and is more aerodynamic. It might be true that the a-3 is more manoeuvrable. That would be surprising since its lighter and probably has the favorable center of gravity for turning. All in all it wouldn't affect how I would advise to fly the planes. Videos for games aren't going to be 100% accurate for all eternity. I sadly don't have the the time to update these. Yak1 1b, 109 F-4 also would deserve some words on changes. However I still think that the videos are accurate enough to help players to understand the aircraft.

[@tanthiri5493]

@@SheriffsSimShack you right, thanks for the response, I figured I would ask atleast B)

[@SheriffsSimShack]

@@tanthiri5493 here is a speedtest i did at somepoint. I would need to just test if the speeds have changed. But this is my most recent information. The speed of the A-3 at high alt is bugged. But the A-5 is also too fast. cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/301637712962781184/1154107341243944960/image.png

[@tanthiri5493]

@@SheriffsSimShack Thank you very much for this.

[@JackManiacky]

I have tested at sea level on Kuban autumn. The A5 is no longer faster than the A3. I haven't found any reference to when this was changed.

[@bogdanradulescu870]

Now how to Fw190 A8 and long noses :)

[@sarpkaplan4449]

hi ze sherrif

[@SheriffsSimShack]

hi

[@old_guard2431]

Below comment is a bit long-winded. Short version - I would like to see someone wreck a train like that on one pass in a Stuka. Or a Sturmovik or Duck, for that matter. And it would not be easy in a Peshka or Bf-110.

[@BSeitenGaming]

TOLL!

[@madcat4633]

Yay! First :-)

[@Drexel48038]

No matter what, reds will follow me to the ends of the earth. Even if I was in a me-262 they would still be right behind me following lol. I've seen a spitfire get shot enough to get jolted into a flat spin and barely recover just in time before they smacked into the deck and magically was able to zoom up into a vertical climb while i was in a spiral climb and shoot me down. Had turn off the game for a while after that.