How To Game On The Worst Modern GPU...

I see how well AMD's new FSR 3.1 frame generation works with the worst GPU with modern driver support.
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[@wiadroman]

I have an ancient GPU that yields a triple digit FPS in GTA5. 0.07 FPS to be precise.

[@adityachavan1621]

How do you even measure that

[@rustler08]

That's still single digit FPS, because you have only a single significant figure.

[@nightmare2885]

You got me there

[@Tyrian3k]

@@rustler08 That's not really how significant digits work. They represent the accuracy of a measurement, which could be 5 digits for all we know, so 0.069438 FPS, for example, which still outputs to 0.07 FPS.

[@qqwui9989]

Thats over 14 seconds per frame!

[@straybricks]

The last time I was this early, Dawid had short hair and was sponsored by Linooooooooode

[@JusteazyGames]

Dawid's true sponsor is Vileda Gloves.

[@tyttuut]

The last time I was this early, these comments were still funny.

[@DawidDoesTechStuff]

@@straybricks I miss Linode. 😔

[@Garde538]

Haha too funny​@@JusteazyGames

[@Sympli]

@@DawidDoesTechStuff So do we, sensei. So do we.

[@jordhan1]

i like that they at least included a stinky little igpu. i think that little guy is useful as a diagnostic tool for when the discrete gpu isnt working

[@DawidDoesTechStuff]

@@jordhan1 Oh for sure, I'm glad it's there.

[@Quint1975]

@@DawidDoesTechStuff It will be one day, a collectors relic/item and priceless.

[@Bimon1234567]

That is literally why it was added to Zen 4. AMD has the separate APU product line with iGPU that are actually intended for more than just trouble shooting.

[@frommatorav1]

It has better graphics than my 5900X and any Intel "F" cpu. Even the marketing AMD guys said it's not for gaming when the 7000 series cpus were launching.

[@wyterabitt2149]

​@@frommatorav1Intel said the same thing for years after they stopped bothering to put effort into graphics other than for basic needs. It didnt stop people complaining about the gaming performance during those years and comparing it to amd iGPUs that were meant to be capable of some gaming.

[@composters]

This shit's slower than a snail on antidepressants

[@Lurch-Bot]

IDK what antidepressants you're familiar with but I take buproprion which is a substituted cathinone. Makes me faster, not slower, lol. Might as well be taking Ritalin.

[@composters]

​@Lurch-Bot I take zoloft, also known as sertraline, it constantly makes me feel drowsy. As it is one of the known side effects of it.

[@juser-abuser]

Or a black man in math class

[@Takanekoandele]

I'm on venlafaxine, no major side effects for me

[@Krustable]

i'm on all of them.

[@janhradil]

For R5 7600X's iGPU defense, it was never meant to be used for any gaming. It's mostly there for troubleshooting, maybe some office work and web browsing. For more demanding tasks we have the "G" models.

[@wertywerrtyson5529]

True. But my laptop only has the same Radeon 610 iGPU and it’s worse than the older Vega based iGPUs. It’s not often you get worse performance from newer parts.

[@HandleIsNewAndBad]

​@@wertywerrtyson5529 AMD released 2 core, 4 thread CPUs on modern laptops.

[@josejuanandrade4439]

So was the UHD 630, and is stll better while also being older.

[@davidabner8885]

​@@wertywerrtyson5529 yeah the 4500U in my 4yo HP Probook with 7 Vega CUs curbstomps newer Ryzen 5s in the same segment

[@acwbit2368]

​@@josejuanandrade4439its actually worse performance wise

[@SibirLupus]

The iGPU in the Ryzen 7000 series desktop CPUs is really only there for basic display output, and an improvement over most Ryzen 5000 series desktop CPUs which lacked any iGPU.

[@woldemunster9244]

Improvement is in the eye of the beholder. Just like raytracing, i would rather pay less for a product that doesn't have useless features. :D

[@Nebnub]

@@woldemunster9244*Useless features for you

[@SpaceDrake]

And, tbh, it's been a godsend. I've had to do a little debugging of my 4070, and I was extremely happy the iGPU was there for basic display output at times.

[@pedrothevenard]

​@@woldemunster9244 Not really useless, if your dedicated gpu dies you can still watch KZbin and work on docs until you get the new gpu or fix your old one. I remember years ago my ATI 5850 died and the integrated gpu in the i5 second gen saved me for a week while I sourced a new gpu.

[@Jzwiz]

@@woldemunster9244more useful than you think, if your gpu derps it lets you use your computer and play certain games until you get a replacement. Its strong enough to even do some older games at 60 fps or play some other modern stuff if its like hollowknight esqe or minecraft etc

[@OrionCV1]

babe bring out our finest chicken nuggets and chocolate milk, dawid uploaded a new video

[@onebladeprop]

This calls for something extra fancy. Dino nuggies.

[@nasko235679]

The explosive diarrhea special.

[@badmoose01]

I’m actually eating a grilled cheese

[@MoultrieGeek]

and a side of Kraft Dinner, he does live in Canada after all.

[@DawidDoesTechStuff]

@@OrionCV1 Nice! Can I have some?

[@MAPE_CZ]

Who is here in 1956?

[@Lukelovell2]

You feeling alright?

[@imfakeris1]

1800*

[@chrishill7797]

😂

[@CoolSock123]

I'm right here

[@MAPE_CZ]

@@Lukelovell2 yea, i am ok

[@AnnaDoes]

Imagine having to watch an hour of the horizon slide show just for our entertainment. 😂😂 this man is selfless

[@CougarCat21]

I want to see Neko, your cat!

[@fleurdewin7958]

He just upgraded himself into a PowerPoint slide connoisseur

[@DawidDoesTechStuff]

@@AnnaDoes It was tough, but someones got to do it.

[@TheVidman90]

I played through prey 2 at 13 frames a second before I got a decent gpu lol

[@d4nyll]

The game itself can be quite a borefest at times, can't imagine how the experience is in such conditions

[@Chasm9]

FSR ultra performance at 1080p is 640x360p. FSR performance is 540p. Edit: for some reason KZbin is hiding my additional comments under this one. I don't know why. Maybe because it's a longer one (?) Trying here instead: for @kyperactive FSR/DLSS are upscalers that take lower resolution image and upscale/upsample it using AI (in case of DLSS and XeSS) to a higher resolution image to make it look like the display resolution you are currently outputting. They use different presets: Ultra performance - 33% render res / 0.33 of display res (in 4K upscaling from 720p; at 1440p upscaling from 475p; at 1080p upscaling from 360p); Performance - 50% render res / 0.5 of display res (at 4K upscaling from 1080p, at 1440p upscaling from 720p; at 1080p upscaling from 540p) Balance - 58% render res / 0.58 of display res (at 4K upscaling from 1252p, at 1440p upscaling from 835p, at 1080p upscaling from 626p) Quality - 67% render res / 0.67 of display res (at 4K upscaling from 1440p, at 1440p upscaling from 960p, at 1080p upscaling from 720p) XeSS messed this all up in the latest 1.3 update. They have Ultra Quality Plus, Ultra Quality, Quality, Balanced, Performance, Ultra performance. You can google the scaling factors - they are different from DLSS and FSR even though they have the same name. 😅 Edit2: oh no, I lost a ❤ from Dawid by editing it. 🥲

[@attepatte8485]

that's very low... almost too low to be true!

[@AffectionateLocomotive]

Wot... I don't get it..

[@kyperactive]

Im confused... is it 360p or does it run at 640x360? Make it make sense.

[@theconcretecat]

@@AffectionateLocomotive FSR works similar to DLSS, upscales from using a smaller resolution into a bigger one

[@AffectionateLocomotive]

@@theconcretecat soooo performance of 480p and quality of 1080p?

[@Tarkov.]

Dawid is the best excuse for rocco's basilisk to be real. The crimes you commit against computers are unspeakable.

[@lenwitte]

I love how Dawid answers the questions I didn't know I had.

[@Lurch-Bot]

I mean, if you can honestly say Dawid is smarter than you, you really shouldn't be bragging about it.

[@AnnaDoes]

@@Lurch-BotI don’t think that’s what he’s saying. Dawid answering questions has nothing to do with intelligence. Just curiosity which can be appreciated❤

[@Garde538]

@@lenwitte underated comment

[@CryptoJordanVR]

Something is clearly wrong with your setup. I have the exact same cpu and decided to load counter strike 2 up on the igpu to compare my results to yours. I was getting 3 to 4 times the performance you did at 1080p with all low settings and fsr disabled. And there is absolutely no reason why the GT 710 should EVER outperform that igpu. Something needs troubleshooting.

[@adityataneja2000]

Agreed, my 3080ti had to be send in for RMA recently and I had to rely on my 7600x's iGPU for a few weeks. I actually got stable 60 fps in dota 2 1440p low, and decent performance on OW2 as well. Im surprised it scored so terribly here.

[@Flywheel2996]

I didn’t know the igpu in my 7600x was that gutless but I guess I never considered gaming on it since I have a 3070. Oh well, I only really ever planned on using it to diagnose things if my gpu ever kicks the bucket.

[@n0.nam358]

I've seen video where Ryzen 5 7600x IGPU was pushed to the limit (Bios OC, more voltage and good ram) and it got 60+ FPS in CS2 and you possibly can play like 80% of games just fine

[@mikeysaurlol]

cs2 (and dota 2) are esports titles though so generally they'll perform better than modern singleplayer games like horizon

[@n0.nam358]

@@mikeysaurlol yeah, people will definitely buy couple of AAA titles for 20-40 bucks each and try to run it on 2 process unit IGPU. 😁

[@mikeysaurlol]

@@n0.nam358 well i just mean that 80% is a biit of a stretch, like sure you can emulate older games and play some Indies but even then there are popular indie games that wont run well

[@yesdotwmv]

Haven't watched your channel in a while but you are rocking the long hair. Glad to see the channel i still kicking.

[@FGV_Gravity]

You could've given that money to the needy but waisting it for the rich

[@LukeTheJoker]

@@FGV_Gravity Who is to say they don't also donate to the needy? It's their money, they can do anything (legal!) that they want with it. Also the word you were looking for was: Wasting: adjective, Causing waste; also, undergoing waste; diminishing. Waisting: noun, That which goes at the waist (of a person, as on a garment, or of an object). While I am sure Dawid would love a rich waist, I am pretty sure that is not what you mean!

[@FGV_Gravity]

@@LukeTheJoker You won't understand My perspective. That's all I can say!

[@yesdotwmv]

@@FGV_Gravity cope

[@DawidDoesTechStuff]

@@yesdotwmv Thanks! I appreciate the tip and hope you enjoy the videos. 👍

[@ZombieRofl]

Seeing Dawid being tormented by horrendous hardware is really a gem to be hold.

[@jeffreybarker357]

“Raw-dogging 1080p” lmaoooo

[@megansmith4775]

It's even worse when you realize that the UHD630 has to make due with much slower ram speeds and still being able to beat Amd's IGPU.

[@alexatron6057]

It always makes me chuckle when Dawid says... "which is very exciting" XD

[@ashenwattegedera]

These Ryzen iGPUs really are just better than nothing, Never thought i would see UHD graphics do better my goodness.

[@SpaceDrake]

It actually has me wondering what the iGPUs in the Alder and Raptor Lake CPUs are capable of. That might actually be neat to look at, Dawid, see what the current iGPU game for Intel is like. I have to imagine it can actually crush things like CS2 and DOTA, especially with sufficient system RAM.

[@ElSkeppo]

the iGPUs in the 7000 series are just display outputs for troubleshooting, they're not made to be good for anything else

[@PixelatedWolf2077]

​@SpaceDrake Its a essentially a souped up 630, yea?

[@zangetsu6638]

@@PixelatedWolf2077 no

[@frommatorav1]

@@SpaceDrake Now do a comparison of the UHD630 to the 8700G graphics. That one is meant to play games at 720 and 1080P. Until a couple months ago, I've been forced to use chips with that igpu on my work computer. The new work computer has low power Alder Lake CPU with better graphics than the UHD630.

[@gavryy2549]

1080p at 1 fps was a big deal back in the 40s

[@knightsun2920]

What about a ARC A310? Love to see that one.

[@lemagreengreen]

Yeah they're basically giving those away in boxes of cereal these days, prime Dawid content material.

[@samiraperi467]

Not potato enough. But yeah, I'd watch that, have one in my media box for transcoding.

[@knightsun2920]

@@lemagreengreen Nah a box of Cracker Jacks.

[@knightsun2920]

@@samiraperi467 The ARC power factor is over 9000 mw. Love the card for cheap low profile single slot Transcoding in AV1.

[@DMDMDM7]

being able to be beaten by UHD 630 is quite a feat. and we got ourself a champion igpu. because it managed not to end itself while being tortured like that...

[@trbdann2]

the 'deer' bugging at 5:07 lolol

[@zedorda1337]

FSR 3 made my GTX 980 4Gb able to run Starfield at 60+ FPS peaking at about 130 FPS(all @ 1080p on a FX-6300). It is freaking awesome.

[@MrPruske]

Vid?

[@maewemeetagain]

Damn, I really love the camera work in these new videos.

[@AppoapsisStudios]

Just got back from a scout camp and I was not expecting a new video. A pleasant surprise!

[@saricubra2867]

That means the UHD 770 on my 12700K is basically a GT1030 or close to it?

[@Whispeter]

Watching some of your videos makes me feel slightly better about using a 1050ti for years now :D Haah... time to upgrade..

[@IntelliPocalypse]

I’m glad Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart is getting some appreciation. People who have never played a Ratchet and Clank game have played Rift Apart. And don’t worry, you aren’t missing out on anything playing the 12th game in the series without playing the original series or the Future stuff or the one off games or the movie game

[@Akotski-ys9rr]

“Throwing bees in our eyes” 😂

[@admrob]

I just helped my friend build a system. Although he can afford a 4090, he decided to run the igpu in his new ryzen.

[@linuxpirate]

How much ram did you dedicate to the AMD iGPU’s framebuffer? Something tells me the default.

[@MLWJ1993]

It doesn't actually matter. With just 2 CU's it's not going to run any real time games released relatively recent.

[@RoiDeCoeurs]

Your videos are just always pure gold, thanks for making those

[@stratuvarious8547]

I appreciate how Dawid is willing to endure all this trauma to make content for our enjoyment. Thank you, Dawid.

[@Adreno23421]

What about on an 8700G? The best current desktop iGPU??

[@MelroyvandenBerg]

The lamp on the right, glows your hair... as if you painted your hair pink loll

[@wurst_the_grey]

oh lol that was the lamp 🤣

[@MelroyvandenBerg]

@@wurst_the_grey yeah.. It took me also a while to find out. Lol

[@gundalfthelost1624]

FSR really does a lot. I was a bit skeptical but one of my rigs with an i3 12100F matched with an RX 6600 (very much a budget build made for couch gaming) runs even modern games far better than I could ever have wished for with FSR on Quality. Especially on my TV where I am not sitting as close to the screen as I do on my main gaming rig upstairs. Been playing through the Last Of Us pc version lately and with FSR 3 on Quality, graphics set to a mix of medium/high and even a few ultra settings I am getting a very steady 75-80fps with peaks reaching 90+fps, the drops being very predictable and only happening when going from cutscene to gameplay. Say what you want about stuff like FSR on the high end of stuff, but when it comes to budget gaming? Life changer.

[@TakenWithout]

not much beats watching Dawid 'play' games in the most disgusting ways imaginable

[@RylTheValstrax]

I have a 7800X3D using one of these igpus, it does in fact provide a great gaming experience... as a server! Pretty awesome when the bulk of a game server's most-accessed state fits neatly into cache.

[@_Valkohl_]

how can it be worse than the igpu in my 2 year old laptop... thats sad

[@_ElisDTrailz]

I use lossless scaling on my Legion Go. I wonder what you could achieve with that?

[@_Jadewolf_]

Dawid, you seem to be running the RAM at 2400 MHz? That would be actually kneecapping the iGPU, no wonder it's that bad! Also, I found several videos on KZbin showing Horizon Zero Dawn in 1080 low/medium settings on a 7600X,and they show 30-40 FPS, so this result does not make sense...could you elaborate on your settings? Thanks!

[@dodgydruid]

That bird in Horizon looks like Bianca out of Eastenders "Riiiiiiiiiiiickyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!"

[@Phynellius]

took me a hot minute to realize you were using the onboard gpu that's basically just there for basic desktop rendering, not used to talking about AMD apu outside of the specific models

[@kypdurron]

Zen 4 Raphael iGPU is meant for USB-C / USB4 display output, it's mainly here for the copy engine and that's all.

[@Jimster481]

The iGPU on the Ryzen desktop parts is there for troubleshooting, servers and for video decoding codecs. It isn't there for gaming at all. It would work fine in an office PC for example, and is actually really wonderful for all of us who use Ryzen desktop CPUs in servers. Prior to AM5 we had to use APU's only or run some kind of dGPU in a server, which makes no sense.

[@circleydoesextracter]

Alright guys, Dawid has uploaded a new video! On potatoes.

[@cdgames69]

Does Horizon actually not let you skip cutscenes? Maybe you just need to hold the button down for more than a frame

[@ThanasisManos]

I just wanted to ask what keyboard is that? TKL smth smth.

[@janbenes3165]

I don't know how but you set up the iGPU wrong. As I watched the video I thought that the performance was lower than I remembered and now when I'm trying it on iGPU with my R7 7800X3D I'm getting tripple to quadruple performance in Forbidden West with 1080p very low settings. What you are getting with FSR 3.1 is what I have with native non generated resolution.

[@stevethepocket]

Interesting that below a certain threshold, the whole game starts running in slow motion rather than just dropping frames. The opening cutscene from _Horizon_ was probably animated at a fixed framerate to be more "cinematic", but even the gameplay segment in the _Ratchet and Clank_ game was experiencing this. That tells me there's critical non-graphics code that needs to run on the GPU even if there's plenty of excess CPU cycles it could be using instead. Maybe it's one of those games where the physics engine basically controls all movement.

[@ThunderWolfUE]

Try disabling the Afterburner overlay...

[@no-replies]

A surprisingly capable little CPU is the 5500u. Nothing too impressive but was able to play plenty of older games in 1440p no problem, no AA of course.

[@no-replies]

I thought the Spider-Man frame time graph was a big censor block! Wow thats absurd

[@micksterminator3]

That 10th gen i5 is available in my area for 25usd. I've got a Lenovo small form factor desktop with 10700f and it just throttles to heck. Maybe a downgrade is in order. I can make a new build with the i7 using a proper cooler and case for my living room. Don't have space on my desk sadly.

[@MrPruske]

New paste?

[@RuruFIN]

Love how Dawid has that old Alienware PC in the background. Back when they were actually good machines.

[@kgonepostl]

Interested idea for a vid. Thanks Dawid, always a pleasure.

[@Freddie1980]

Thank you for doing tech stuff

[@M1Ms88]

Did you install amd graphics drivers on the igpu 😊

[@greedy-95]

0:50 that is indeed not all the games there is starfield that has it.

[@Napert]

Im curious if the fsr results were using microsoft WARP (software rendering) or whatever its called, because of the exact same behaviour/fps count between all the games

[@KoeiNL]

I love looking at the CPU utilization during all this. Its literally just idling most of the time :D

[@wolfe_53]

bros editing is smoother than my life 😭

[@ndroot]

That hair flip transition at 1:35 is amazing! Tell the truth, how many takes was that?

[@drthbn]

You could have double frame generation. Turn on in game and from the GPU driver.

[@brucealryty]

got a modern GT 710 and I love it as a troubleshooting thang and as a reference for buying old Quadro cards

[@Cp-71]

I'm still in shock at how well my GT 240 is doing, I've been using this thing for 14 years now and it's still surprisingly usable!

[@Sturkfoot]

HP 285 Pro G8 Microtower can you try upgrading this one? it has a 5600g in it, and sells for less than $200 at my location

[@mosaicslp]

Hello, I have an issue with my Desktop Dell home computer, Alienware, Windows 7, and I was searching online and came across your channel and found it very helpful, thank you for the information you provide. The issue that I'm having is, that I want to restore my computer to factory settings and it's been going on for about 48 hours at this time and has not changed, it still shows reinstalling your selected system back up, with the little circle still going around. (Where it says progress completion is not even showing the percentage % sign) Thanking you in advance for any help you can give me, Luis

[@LukeTheJoker]

A computer that old will still have a slow spinning harddrive, changing to an SSD will make it much snappier, but is something that old worth putting even that small amount of money into?

[@SINbKA007]

what if turn on fsr3 in game and add Lossless Scaling framegen above?

[@arrowsofjudgment]

this was interesting to see how you attempted to use an igpu with such high end games 😂

[@SmithBeatZ1]

I get giddy when Dawid giggles

[@fanofentropy2280]

What's up with the screen door effect on Counter Strike 2 footage? Almost looks like vertical interlacing.

[@LukeTheJoker]

0:08 Ah, that's how frame gen works!

[@hellmalm]

The most Potato of the potato’s got me 😂

[@dabombinablemi6188]

The Radeon Graphics 128SP does have RT cores however. Techpowerup list the iGPU as being similar in performance to a Radeon HD5670. Which I'd believe as having seen how the HD630 handles games by comparison, and having played old games on a HD5650 vs Intel HD4600. Edit: As part of the Rabbit-hole, AMD used Mendocino as the name for the further cut down Radeon 610M (the version found in; Athlon Gold 7220U, Ryzen 3 7320U and Ryzen 5 7520U). Though it still has the RT cores.

[@ETophales]

Great content. Reminds me of trying to run the original FSR in The Riftbreaker on an AMD E-350 laptop.

[@DevilAlpacca]

Can you tell us about good RTX cards?

[@Safetytrousers]

If you are above 60fps why would you need frame gen?

[@user-mw4jb7yl3l]

The last of Part I and Seuna's Saga II also support it, maybe this vid was before

[@xaviersavedra711]

What are you gonna do with 2 flippin graphics cores?

[@adamhooper2476]

You can mod FSR3 with frame gen into Cyberpunk. I've done it so my RX580 can run smoother.

[@ChairmanMeow1]

Can someone explain like Im 5 how frame gen works as far as efficiency? Why do DLSS/FSR require less computational power than just generating the frames regularly? I understand how it works, predicting frames with AI. But man I feel like that would require MORE power than just generating everything naturally. Help me understand!

[@jonathancano3094]

8:00 PS3's Spider-Man miles morales is amazing

[@bartaricsi]

Idk bro how the 7600X igpu run the csgo with 20fps when i have a pc with 5300G and has 60fps avg

[@JasonMendoza-hd3ce]

lol that solid bar of a frametime graph

[@BrodyAIM]

Hey Dawid, I am aware of the games listed with Frame Generation from FSR 3.1, however, Call of Duty MWIII and Naraka Bladepoint both offer it even on Nvidia GPUs and it certainly works; In Warzone at 1440p. I would typically average ~150 FPS on 14700K/3090, with FSR3.1 I am now surpassing my 240 frame cap up to 327FPS, so the intro is slightly inaccurate due to AMD's own publishing.

[@poxzerhighl1ght434]

actually this video can be watched with 360p and still get same quality XD

[@himanshutripathi7441]

Potatoest potato I am sure sasha is some where literally dying from drool

[@WellBeSerious12]

Wouldn't the 'potatoiest potato' be a very-mushy/super-soft potato wedge? Mmmm...

[@dustinmorse8497]

Have any of those iGPUs considered running for president?

[@DawidDoesTechStuff]

@@dustinmorse8497 😂

[@Balu-rk7ys]

I really like your No Man's Sky background!!

[@0wnz0rz888]

Well I didn’t know what you were expecting because the frame generation and so on only really works when you have a good enough frame rate for you to benefit from it. Let’s say it inserts extra frames between the existing one, interpolating the frame between the actual ones. At 4 frames per second you’re only going to get 3 extra frames, it’s simple math. If you want to see a true improvement you need to find a graphics card that pushes around 15-20 fps and suddenly it makes more sense.

[@alexanderjohansson2671]

While an interesting idea I'd love to have seen some GPUs that actually ended up playable with the settings on. As a way to see what's the "worst usable" with the feature.

[@zepplinc20]

How about an APU?

[@AlextheguitarFreak]

Couldn't help but notice the No Man's Sky background on your PC, why don't you use that game for a test once in a while?

[@mustangfcg]

My school had Windows XP computers in 2014. One of them ran Pinball with such a lag 😂

[@MidPackRacer1]

No Man's Sky on the screen behind you?? Would love a video dedicated to that... though fairly off topic for your usual content