How to Get a Realistic Brass Sound from MIDI Brass Samples

[@EminoMeneko]

I made a pretty realistic one only using Sytrus. The only thing it lacks if you ask me is a modulation that would reflect blowing stronger or lighter in the instrument. As for now I don't know how but it is a matter of time. P.S. : i was so much in the synth mindset because I'm discussing that right now that I missed the subject of this video. Very interesting though. Just as for Strings you want to modulate them so it feel lively but so far I mostly saw Strings video but no Brass. Cool you made it.

[@bobdaspit]

Re: what horns patch...I'm pretty certain he's using Cinesamples' Cinebrass Pro. Kontakt 5 is the plugin he has instantiated, and there is a patch in Cinebrass Pro called "12 Horns" that sounds exactly like what he is using.

[@MaorationMusic]

Waves, I love you guys- but you really have to learn how to level compensate your plugins' gain on demos, to really show what they can do and add to the sound- rather than just "deceiving" the listener with volume differences.

[@Contradium]

I've noticed that a lot of people do this, actually, and some of the more successful tutorials are unfortunately more successful only because the final result is louder. These guys should really make sure that the gain before the plugins is proper for the mix and that each plugin's output gain is proper for the mix, as well. Otherwise, you're gonna constantly fiddle with the gain each and every time you change a plugin, and it could lead someone to believing that the louder plugin is the better one when in reality, they could actually be missing out on an even better processing chain. "Set it and forget it" could probably help.

[@AndrewZeleno1]

Waves. Yes! We are not so stupid as you think. So compensate volumes before showing your plugins

[@michaelmungai8559]

this is so stupid. so you are knowledgable in gain staging but cant tell the difference between the warmth and character these plugins provide vs the audio level? utter sillyness.

[@neriomorenove]

If the level is compensated, you notice nothing happened :-/

[@LosantoBeats]

I was about to say....

[@cozen5293]

fist time i have watched a tutorial and i have like the music they are making. hats off to you waves

[@sergeyolson7815]

Hey I just subscribed to Nick Murray's channel today, and I see him on Waves? Pretty awesome. He's the real deal.

[@PatrickPleau]

Tired of those boosting volumes example. there is a volume output on plugins for a reason. for sure its gonna sound better if the original volume is buried in the mix. that is just silly ;)

[@prathameshgurav6095]

This is a nice tutorial... Could you please make a tutorial on how to make realistic strings using waves?? Can you elaborate how did you manage to get good strings sound or how did you mix it??

[@huckwalton2307]

Good video, but I wouldn’t bring your volume down that far at the fader. You can compensate on your fx output. The way your doing it, your not putting enough level into the plugin to get the most out of it.

[@SavoirSelph]

I like the drums in the background. How did you create that sound?

[@HugoPaulo]

the NLS made it sound perfect

[@LukeGibsonSS]

Those samples sounded really realistic anyway hardly much of a challenge

[@lewisburton1852]

"How to bring life into your brass'ssss"

[@stephenchristoph30]

thats messed up LMAO!!!!!

[@TEMAOHI2787]

"VERY" Interesting!!! When I see "WAVES" I think "POP & ROCK". This is the first time I've seen WAVES IN A 'ORCHESTRAL context......you should do MORE of "THAT". I plan to buy "NLS" It was nice to see it in Orchestral context!!!!

[@clintonyorke]

NLS is a superb plugin

[@VerticalMixStudios]

Good demo Nick!

[@JayNikam]

thnkss alot was looking for this only

[@ShynAwkward]

Nice composition :-) Some Gain Staging, maybe?

[@erictripton]

Lol, glad I am note alone when it comes to 'scooching' the brass tracks a tad to the left.

[@KronosMusic06]

Hey Nick! Great tutorial! I'm huge fan of your drums sound. What library it? HZ ?

[@ruudrobben5674]

great tips... thanx bro

[@eduardbiermann5503]

Awesome tips !!

[@digitalartmedialab5376]

Wonderful! All genius - are simple!

[@izansengun]

nice work. Thnx a lot

[@elvinlewis4233]

Great! Subtle nuances that actually make a significant difference. I went to sleep on that plug in, (Scheps) but you've renewed my interest in it.

[@Particle67]

Very nice!

[@jeffdafoe]

Sounds like he just wants an (artificially) brighter sound... I'd have reached for the Waves H-EQ first here, versus basically just boosting gain as others have pointed out.

[@ClaimOfRightMuso]

Best reverb type for MIDI brass? - Hall, Chamber, Cathedral, Room? - how much? slight, wet, swathed, saturated???

[@grittychris]

Thanks, great demonstration. What brass library are you demonstrating n this video?

[@IntheDAW]

I love this video but yea the level gain is so annoying.

[@mattinuk]

what are the settings for the 2 reverb plugins, lexicon and altiverb? how much sent to each? thanks

[@filippesta8953]

What is the name of the Brass library that is used in this video?🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@RasCricketSmallAxe]

O.o Nothing at all that couldn't be done with stock plugs from Studio One. At all. A simple Pultec would add high end and a bit of body = If you think you've gained "analog warmth" here, I don't. I'm not just being picky = Anyone, listen to :55 then listen to 5:29 - That's hardly a difference at all. This is more of a demo of how to use a DAW and arrange it's MIDI notes than any kind of quality sonic advice. It's a well made video, full of low grade info.

[@randomencounters]

+Ras Cricket Sadly I agree. He added level and some harmonics which were good, but I've always felt tutorials about "warmth" are useless if you don't painstakingly gain match pre and post drive sounds in context. The MIDI stuff was good, as was looking at his track layout (since I sometimes work on similar genres)

[@patrickstarshooter5221]

+Ras Cricket The thing about mixing is, it's completely subjective. You might have better hearing than him, or vice versa. The only thing audio engineers have in common is their ability to tell the difference between a shitty mix and a good one. everything else is kind of subjective.

[@IAmSippycup]

Yeah this video is very "The secret to good sounding instruments is expensive plug-ins!" I guess they kind of have to though.

[@BrunoNeureiter]

0:55 5:29

[@ROSCOEV]

Hi, do you have any tutorials on how to make James Brown horns?

[@mrfokus901]

I love that brass what are you using?

[@AgustinZubillaga]

absolutely worthless comparison without proper level matching

[@bdubflow]

thanks man

[@bileth22]

I would like to know which horn library this is? BTW The dragging of the whole section back a little to sound on time is a great trick.

[@deutschblitz]

Yes that's what I wanna know as well. Best horns ever. I would buy if only I knew what he used.

[@cryptokings5165]

Nice Video....Learnt a Lot. what DAW is that?

[@jackiedragonfly2461]

Looks like Logic Pro to me

[@WinstonGuitar]

lots of slightly detuned doubling, separate track of slightly eq'd different, slightly sampled different brass

[@dariuszradej1077]

Thank you! :-)

[@PERELIVE]

nice!

[@808maya8]

plugings ?

[@raphaeldelavie5957]

What library is used for those horn sounds?

[@eBell05]

it would have been much more helpful if you level matched your examples at 5:15. not really getting an accurate comparison when it drops 5dB

[@schwarzerrogen930]

All the advancements that have been made in Logic, and the Klopfgeist still sounds like that...

[@Synthelicious]

Can anyone recommend a non Waves plugin that's similar to the NLS?

[@zachary963]

Synthelicious um, yes. But they’re 2x as much, and they only emulate 1 console. Lol. They’re the Plugin Alliance emulators. Pretty good, but lots of $$$$. I think they actually do the whole channel strip thing in addition to the saturation emulation, so maybe that’s what you want. You could also try mixing in Cakewalk if you’re on PC. It’s a DAW that has console emulation, and it’s free. Pretty nice. It does Ssl, neve, and another one I can’t remember. I think it sounds pretty good. Harrison Mixbus is another DAW with console emulation. It emulates Harrison consoles, like the ones Back in Black and Thriller were mixed on. And instead of a plugin company selling emulations with the blessing of the console makers, Harrison Mixbus was made specifically by the original console company. It sounds great. Short story: If you’re on PC, just switch to Cakewalk. Otherwise, you can grab NLS, which is the next cheapest option and the most versatile (I love it, actually. The Neve console works great as bass distortion.) Next best thing would be to get Harrison Mixbus. The cheap version is fully-functional and only 80$, the more expensive one has some extra plugins and something else I can’t remember, and it’s the price of a normal DAW. And then the Plugin Alliance ones are, in my opinion, the least tempting, because they’re 200$ for a single console emulation. You can get them on sale, of course, but you know.

[@Synthelicious]

Wow okay thanks for the info 👍🏻

[@zachary963]

Synthelicious anytime =)

[@johnnyholiday5377]

The third not should be slightly late @ 2:17

[@3kingkool]

This is PHAT.

[@skltr21]

how do his sends have the names of plugins on them and not just Bus1, Bus2, etc.....???

[@CalikoTube]

he renamed the Buses

[@edmsj1211]

which plugin did you used ? plzz

[@shashankchauhan5009]

“Requiem for a dream inspired.”

[@mohanakrishnan7955]

What daw that u used here

[@cooldude391]

how many eqs do you need?!

[@RaffaelePretolani]

If I want this song?

[@mupicap7927]

What app is dat ?

[@jasperdany]

what Brass library from Kontakt do you use ?

[@NINedStark]

12 Horns probably is Cinebrass Pro

[@BandoLyrix]

I've heard this song in a game before..... Mandela effect? O.o

[@maeguk1]

sounds like Uncharted 4 soundtrack nice

[@andresQ15]

Someone knows what the littles asterix (x) on the channel next to Mute (M) and Solo (S) are?

[@samulisalminen6957]

It's track freeze, which means you'll not be able edit the plugins of that track, but it will save the cpu power that the plugins are using... Or something to that effect :)

[@a123386]

Hi Nick, could you please tell us the name of this song?

[@thenathanrox]

One word, brass

[@artbluevibe6629]

which Daw is this?

[@andresQ15]

Logic Pro X

[@dutchmenneer3289]

In a wooooooooorld

[@bileth22]

OK, I heard him mention "epic horns" this time.

[@BNJ53]

Anyone has a couple tips to achieve similar results with logic stock plugins? Im really not an expert and I don't have money hahah

[@JacobHorowitz]

+BNJ53 The most important part of his sound in this is the sample libraries he's using, namely LA Scoring Strings (currently $799) and CineBrass Pro (currently on sale for $299), both of which run inside the free version of Kontakt. To achieve the extra "warmth" there are some things you could use besides Waves' usually expensive NLS plugin. You could, for instance, use Logic Pro's built in guitar amplifier plugin on a very low gain setting to add decent analogue warmth to almost any sound source, including brass samples, and there are many free or cheap other plugins as well.

[@BNJ53]

Jacob Horowitz Thank you very much man!

[@PhenomShyt]

What software is this?

[@andresQ15]

The DAW is Logic Pro X

[@CloudjumperOfficial]

+PhenomShyt it's logic pro x

[@WillyJunior]

bootsss and pantsss and bootsss and pantsss

[@d.f.p.mprodstorie9146]

Great! U0001f44d

[@HenningBH]

Just another "commercial". Tell people "how to" from the start and don't be a sellout dude...

[@JusTyr3c]

So this video is basically: just buy these overpriced plugins ty very much

[@abimaelmartell]

They are not that expensive

[@izvarzone]

30$ is overpriced?

[@JusTyr3c]

@@izvarzone Obviously it was more expensive when I wrote that comment 3 years ealier.

[@perrymwoo]

smh...

[@bradleythekid]

How to get realistic brass sound - Put your money where your mouth is, quit messing around and hire brass musicians and put a mic on them.

[@irstaxcollector]

True

[@izvarzone]

sounds unpractical

[@LittleRichard1988]

Not everybody can afford to hire session musicians. Another reason for using midi is that it's more convenient especially if your mass producing hundreds of tracks.

[@LittleRichard1988]

If this doesn't sound realistic to your ears you might want to see an audiologist. It's one thing to say Session Horns or ESX24 sounds synthetic but this is one of the higher end sample libraries and you have heard orchestral Kontakt libraries like this on TV adverts and TV programs and probably pop records without even realizing it!

[@alexcondejazz]

I know how! Trash them all and hire real musicians ;)

[@izvarzone]

>implying everyone have money to hire them and have connections

[@LittleRichard1988]

Why would you want to hire a real musicians when this sounds just as good as the real thing?

[@like-icecream]

He sounds like he loves blowing the trumpet.