How to Get Good at World of Warships Episode 5: Effective Armour Angle on PUSHING & KITING

[@Leptospirosi]

1:30 - 1:46 : Most important aspect of WoWs ever said, which most people do not understand. Complaining about battleship not willing to fight or dying too fast mostly by the team cruisers and DD is widespread while everyone playing BB knows getting in torps range or 1vs 2 against CA and CL is a very bad idea which would end one way. Sinergy is important and is something I just realized yesterday night in my Brindisi: I went in support of a DD on the right flank and we took out a lone enemy DD, but by the time I was back on the left flank, where the enemy push was happening, my BB were all dead and the battle lost. I first wonder how my BB managed to die so fast, but then I noticed the shear volume of fire coming from a Dimitri Donskoi which was supporting their Gneisenau and Sovietski Soyuz and realized my BB were simply out-DPM and burned alive. If I were there may by my DPM would have kept their fire less focussed and the battle would have ended in a different way. BTW, BB without eyes are like a boxer without arms and DD should provide vision for as long as they can instead of dying in the first 2 minutes of the game trying to cap going too forward spotted by CV and smoking up, technically blinding themselves ad the whole team.

[@agamemnonn1]

Zumzifero no, most understand that. However, a battleship that spends the entire game at the extreme limit of its max firing range is useless. And it seems like most battleship players prefer to do that.

[@bushyfromoz8834]

Armor angling is a black art though, there’s what should happen and occasionally what actually happens (or often depending on what kind of wizardry the server comes up with)

[@j.chiari]

DESYNC IS GETTING FIXED!!!!!!

[@bushyfromoz8834]

@@j.chiari still waiting! I fucking despise the fact and angled BB can take full pens but feel free to sail around in your broadside cruiser and laugh at lolpens....

[@Alexzander19736]

@@nephalos666 With German ships?

[@firewing1319]

Turning your ship around under enemy pressure is like flipping a coin. Dammed if you do dammed if you don’t. Always better to risk it and live for a few minutes more.

[@ichasegaming]

Except knowing to turn early could be a lot safer due to effective armour vs turning late and hoping for the best

[@TsorovanZero]

Reacting early also gives you the chance to become undetected, which is the strongest armor of all. But that's a whole different Get Good video.

[@firewing1319]

iChaseGaming Indeed, it takes experience and using the map to do just that. Honestly people shouldn’t look straight ahead all the time. Look at what the opposite flank is doing especially in a BB. Often you can hit the broadside of cruisers and bbs pushing the opposite flank.

[@nicksmotherman6699]

what happens if I'm playing Lenin? Am I just outta luck?

[@StevenYang506]

I am learning SO much about this game from your videos. Had I not watched your videos I would not have known the game was this deep. Please keep your videos coming! For the life of me despite research I still cannot understand the rules for when to use HE and when to use AP. Would be great to see an in depth video on that.

[@johnnyenglish583]

@Steven Yang A VERY rough rule of thumb: In a DD just fire HE. In a CA/CL fire HE unless another cruiser is sailing broadside on, then use AP. With BBs use HE only if an enemy BB is more or less bow on, or well angled (like shown in the video, when your AP will bounce). Alternatively use AP but aim at his superstructure. Use HE against DDs. Use AP against everything else. Now, this is extremely simplified but give you a workable way to play. As you get more experienced you will fine-tune this. For example, some DDs can do a lot of damage to other DDs (or even light cruisers) with AP. Or some big-gun BBs may actually overpenetrate a broadsiding light cruiser with AP (the shells pass right through and do minimum damage because its amour is too thin to set off the fuse). But you'll work out these details later.

[@jamalmahroof3298]

Can you do a video on what the actual hell to do at the start of a game lol? I struggle in most ship types to know where to go - I full speed in a BB and end up too far forward while all the tanky bbs sit behind islands - How do I know where I am supposed to go without knowing where every other single person is going?

[@larryboles629]

After over 4 years of playing this game, I am getting much better. Thank you! I have found that each video takes at least 3 runs with practice in between for the new information to become secondary. Be happy, be safe.

[@jeffrey5018]

nah m8 ur just slow in the head. 3 runs? xd

[@jvhoef5372]

Seriously I hope War gaming pay/feature you for these. Great guides.

[@tejoadi4349]

Ah yes the lemming train one.... kind of useless when enemy has that HE spammers, like smolesnk and colbert. That deplete BB hp faster than a BB. Enemy bb will focused fire you till you are dead anyway because the HE spammers.

[@neilharbott8394]

A lemming train is only a lemming train if it stops short of a cap (or hides behind all the islands) - otherwise it's an overwhelming force that pushes everything out of its way. Sometimes the most effective counter to a heavy push is a very scary destroyer! If a DD can make an enemy doubt itself, then it can hold off overwhelming numbers almost forever.

[@tejoadi4349]

@@neilharbott8394 just like the benham, looking at flamu benham world record lol...

[@neilharbott8394]

@@tejoadi4349 You don't even have to be in a good DD - just be scary it's amazing what 1 unseen DD with a couple torps sailing by can do to the fortitude of a big bad BB.

[@tejoadi4349]

@@neilharbott8394 the only high tier DD i have is the benham lol, i havent try to grind anyline atm after getting the yamato.

[@mikeg2092]

@@neilharbott8394 I hate when I look behind in my BB and the train has returned to the station.

[@misot90]

And this is the reason why the Montana is so dangerous in both offense and defense. She can unmask all her turrets while only sacrificing 2 degrees outside of autobounce. Plus, she only has 1mm less armor belt than the Yamato, so the effective armor she gets when unmasking all 4 turrets is still formidable. Hell, you can use her 3 turrets like the Iowa but still have full autobounce.

[@grimmshredsanguinus2915]

meanwhile ohio is laughing

[@misot90]

@@grimmshredsanguinus2915 Indeed. Monty is powerful as is. Then WeeGee released an improved version.

[@grimmshredsanguinus2915]

@@misot90 nah just a premium version they can still be torped and burn AF

[@dorothea9667]

Hello IChase, Just wanted to say your video's have a lot of good information and tips. It did help my improve my gameplay! Keep up the good work. Thanks a lot.

[@marioa.v.719]

The best video series ever!!!!!!! Congratulations Sir, you are a great help for all off us. Your game knowledge is just amazing and because English is not my language I can express enough my appreciation and how thankful I am. Wish you all the best.

[@Omnihil777]

You contributed enormously to my ascend from a tier V and VI player to IX and X, have to send a HUUUUGE *T H A N K Y O U* over, especially for the details of game mechanics. Looking into your videos from time to time to refresh that knowledge. You *ROCK* bro!

[@christiandabrowski8369]

Great Tutorial again. Thanks a lot. I think it's very difficult to pay attention at all that points you mentioned. Especially to find the right angle within the confused battlefield seems very hard for me.

[@FancyaBevMate]

Keep them coming mate, I'm asking all CCs to do these guides to really ram home how to play as we will all benefit from a better player base. Things that would help new and existing players not knowing what to do is (and you'll need volunteers to help with this unless you can get 10+ players) to actually demonstrate precisely what you are trying to get across. With all due respect to people some can't grasp methods unless they can see the "complete picture". And secondly demonstrate the tactical nature of each class ie pushing, smoking up team mates using specific ship classes in their natural ability ie us light cruisers lobbing shells etc. Great work mate. Cheers

[@lubossoltes321]

well everybody has the training room available in the client now ... so up to them to load a scenario and try things out ... the only issue is that you have to rely on 3rd party websites to do your research instead of WG providing something usable ... but that's more or less true for every game.

[@FancyaBevMate]

@@lubossoltes321 bru I have over 61% wr after 21k games these guides are aimed at players that don't understand the concept of the game they won't even be in a clan or have only limited experience. So what you're saying is ichase is wasting his time explaining anything? The fact that you responded is why we need to explain to some people who clearly are utterly clueless....

[@devilfish-dk-8771]

Thanks for all the videos I just started to play guide still useful Normally when I have to turn and run there are 3-4 ships in front shooting at me I try to back out in same angel and sell me as expensive as possible of cause I will loose in the end

[@soarinskies1105]

I wish you had mentioned armour slope angle too, it’s a mechanic that’s coded into the game that not everyone knows about and increases the armour s effectiveness even when firing point blank, for example, Kremlins main armour belt in the center is 410 mm, however it is sloped at 20 degrees which means accounting for nonarlization of shells over 203mm, which is 6 degrees, even when you are shooting at him point blank broadside you are not shooting him as if his 410 mm main armour belt was angled 90 degrees but instead you are shooting at his 410 mm main armour belt as if he was angled 76 degrees due to the slope of the armor section. Which means the value of effective thickness for the armour layer is thicker than 410 mm. Note that effective armour thickness of this layer is also affected by the angle of incident in regards to the impact angle of the shell vertically as it’s Arcing down towards a target at range

[@khangan4334]

BB: Angling Ship behind the island: U wot m8

[@Kwolfx]

Excellent episode. I'd love to see something about maneuvering with cruisers (I think they are the toughest class to play), because sometimes you are angling your armor to an enemy cruiser; or even an enemy battleship who has become fixated on aiming at your citadel, but in some situations you are really just dodging, or trying to dodge incoming enemy fire. There are different considerations depending on what you are trying to do. Plus, some cruisers are made to push in fairly close to the enemy while others are long range HE spammers, and some are ambush predators, which means you want to engage the enemy on your terms with sudden high alpha strikes and then to go undetected rather than making a trade by taking much return fire.

[@joeydehondt2937]

Thnx man! The videos really helped. I was kinda bad before but after a couple of games getting used to I get almost double the xp

[@mikehenthorn1778]

Thank you for this. Now if I can just get some of my clan mates to follow these ideas we might win a few lol.

[@Xefender7]

Great commentary! WG should share those guides as they will greatly help the community!

[@peterdarling8239]

Nice video Chase!!! Funny you mention FDG, I gunned an NC and a FDG (poor angling) with Ashitaka last night and it took a Musashi to finish me off

[@indisputablefacts8507]

Thanks for doing this series! I'm pretty new to the game (1 TX boat) and my highest BB is the FDG. Some other the other parts of this series I have to say haven't clicked for me, but this one just slots right in to my latest experience. I hated the Bismark. It just never did that push role as well as I'd seen it done for other players - I was keeping good angles, but I was in push mode all the time until it was too late. With the FDG, I heard the doomsayers and started playing scared. If things didn't look great, I'd swing the ship around and kite away... And I won more games and kept ending up high up on the chart of XP earners more often. I see the overall win rate for the FDG is like 48%; I'm at 57%, most of the way to the GK. My other BB is the Rich, and again, I'm using that speed boost to get the hell away as often as not and winning games doing it. But I'll be honest, I don't have the goforit to try and memorize all these armor numbers. All I can make sense of is "angled is better" and "it's better to shoot somebody who's close, it's worse to get shot at by somebody who's close".

[@Sp_cemanspiff]

Enjoying your videos. Appreciate the work and some updated videos on mechanics and ship strategy. Much appreciated!

[@davidrobinson4553]

I'm usually pretty good with the angling principles Chase and it does explain the great results I had in the Freddy in a game last week, I have benefited most from the aiming tutorial though, My First Kraken in the game and improved hits to target, Many Thank's 👍👍

[@sandydonaldson4998]

Thanks. Really helpful. Been playing a year and looking for an up to date guide.

[@jslaton9238]

great stuff...learning something watching each one of these. Thanks and Merry Christmas!!!

[@lubossoltes321]

You just made the BBs look interesting for me ... I'll have to try the Bismarck again these days ... and I hope I'll get my hands on the PR during the event ....

[@NiuhiNui]

Will be even better with the incoming accuracy/dispertion buff.

[@rokko1020]

just dont go secondary-build like you would in the old days. with so many HE spam monsters they have released recently, you are well done on both sides before you get into brawl range.. not viable in the HE meta anymore

[@lubossoltes321]

@@rokko1020 then what's the point in taking a Bismarck to the other BBs ? I mean an NC is far better and the RN/Russian ones as well ...

[@rokko1020]

@@lubossoltes321 thats my point. currently there is no valid reason to take the Bismarck. the Bismarck has always been the symbol of being *the* fun secondary-build ship. then WG decided to flush the meta with HE and more HE. the closer you get with any BB the more you will just ... burn. not only the majority of normal DDs are He spammers but also all the premiums. also...the cruisers. and they all see you coming from a mile away and by the time you break their concealment, you are typically in range of half the enemy team and then theres this endless DakkaDakka of HE shells going down on you. i tried it numerous times and i can assure you, its no fun

[@GorinRedspear]

@@rokko1020 It is fun on the HE side though. Every salvo at least one fire... And then I play the next game in a Bismarck and the fun is gone.

[@Devrij]

How do you deal with HE spam in a defense of a push though? You can't angle that off

[@Zak.Sparrow]

Teamwork?

[@Devrij]

@@Zak.Sparrow haha true. Where that is lacking the only route seems to be retreat and a failure of defense. At higher tiers a BB loses that range advantage over cruisers so anchoring a defense against them really requires good DD play to provide visibility as well as supporting HE on the opposing BB to scare them out of a push

[@mowen0yuriko]

Another interesting and informative video. Thanks

[@lutz956]

Thank you very much for work and the tips you yre providing! This works well if you fight against one or two ships!

[@genjack8632]

Atago has an insane deck armor of 41mm, which makes it incredibly effective at bouncing even Yamato shells.

[@grandgao3984]

Great video as always! I wonder if it's possible to also account for the normalization values~? If such things still exist, slight anglings really won't help, while there's a better chance for overpens

[@ukchris64]

Really interesting video, thank you for taking the time to post it, for the RU BB's, does the angling idea work the same for all of them or are there subtle differences say between Kremlin, Lenin and the Sinop? Also i would like to know how to play the Nelson, Massachusetts and Bismarck/Tirpitz better.

[@sigmawarrior.fokeryou]

Great video, thank you!

[@mac-10smg61]

nice explain, and now I understand why people said german BB arc is really bad. Ship is designed for push but arc is not :(

[@Lucians_legacy]

I wish I would have watched this a while ago. I have been struggling with my FDG and couldnt figure what I was doing wrong. But now that I see that the gun arcs are much better to the rear I will start playing a bit more defensive. Now if fires stopped being so terrible...

[@doducduy96]

Nathan205 i just got the FDG and I average 90-100k a game. Stick with a high dpm CA. I feel like the enemy got really confused about whether to use HE against me or AP against the CA and usually make really poor choices while being bombarded with secondaries from my ship and salvos from the CA. Every time I go alone I die because everyone loves to HE focus me or torps my big fat ship lol

[@Lucians_legacy]

@@doducduy96 I dont have a big problem with torps, every now and again I eat some, but Im a lot better at avoiding them than I used to be. I keep kind of odd hours when I play so usually dont have anyone to Division with. And randoms are just 11 just more enemies...

[@LionOnIce7]

Could you explain me in one of your next videos how to play in a destroyer?

[@enderhasfound8141]

thank you very much

[@TheOofertaffy]

Hey Chase. I was wondering if you could make an episode where you explain how to get good at destroyers. i can never really get the hang of american gunboat style of dds. i usually go into caps and shoot enemy dds that decide to come in and oppose me and usually i dont handle it well. Most of the time i shoot as fast as i can and try to avoid torpedos but i usually get focused and i dont know how to handle it. So yea i need help on that part :PP thanks for reading :D

[@justdoitlater9507]

most important ship to know this on is kronshtadt, since bow on is not an option

[@inhsonlamvu5252]

...so what if my Gneisenau has to face against a Musashi, Nagato, and Scharnhorst at max range? Actually ran into that situation once with me being the only BB of our side on that flank and they just chipped away my HP till I died.

[@roydelpozo4816]

I miss : “ this is your instructor Chase”. :)

[@Ultrajamz]

How long you think before subs are out? Not sure how long it will take compared to when cv’s were tested

[@ewok40k]

a pair of battleships pushing from oppposite directions while bow-tanking can eventually run into each other and ram...

[@cirno9356]

would you turn away when he fired his shots at you and use that time window to get into angled again? shortest reload at bbs is like what 20 seconds or so, on germand bbs at least

[@tonyennis3008]

20 seconds is the Scharnhorst which has 11" guns, not too much of a threat.

[@matthewyang7893]

Ty

[@ShaneMcGrath.]

With the current state of the game, Angling won't do much from the HE spam that will burn you down long before you get to any cap!

[@Trinetra3382]

can i know which mod do we get that angle indicated below the reticle?

[@ThomasPither]

Watch episode 1

[@Fr33Zone]

Thank you

[@Schaneification]

How you get better when you play 7 maps in a row and the teams (altogether) sunk only 2 ships

[@kevindelgado2982]

well, F! this, I'm not willing to re-learn how to bounce shells, took me a while to master that back in WOT and WOWs is just far more dificult.

[@anthonyware4033]

What about the Yamato how do you angle against it?

[@GorinRedspear]

Ass up, face down and pray it's over soon

[@jarrusjenkins]

Depends on your ship, Russian and German BBs have half a chance of angling since the outside plate of the ship is quite thick and only the tip of the nose is 32mm. But everything else you'll eat 12-20k vollies even when angled because of the over match mechanic. However the Yamato does have several weaknesses that can be exploited so tanking a Yamato can be hard to do so the best way is to kill it first which is entirely possible, how easy is it? That entirely depends on yourself and the captain of the Yamato but the way I like to deal with it is to rush it and catch it off guard... in a brawl the Yamato isn't very good so if you can catch it's broad side while it's guns are facing the other way (FYI Yamato guns take an age to turn) or even if you go at it head of from behind an island while it's guns are pointed the other way....its entirely possible to Dev strike it with any other same tier BBs and even some lower tier ones..... And if it's angled.... go for the "cheek" have a look some Yamato videos and you'll know what I'm on about. At range Yamato is dangerous, but it can still be countered.

[@AndrejD303]

what is that weakness of vladivostok again? somehow i cant see it

[@ares4447]

That's very good advice overall. However, pretty useless when you angle all nice and well against a BB and have a Russian cruiser spamming HE at you behind an island, so I think you kinda should have mentioned that thing too :P Even in that Vladivostok - Amagi stalemate, switching to HE might be the right idea?

[@WyvernApalis]

Meanwhile RNG: SAP citadel on a tier 10 battleship

[@OmegaGHOZT]

Wait, Battleships supposed to push and not just sit in the back behind everyone else (or an island)… Its almost seemed like you are saying with all that armor they are meant to get shot at.

[@ilenastarbreeze4978]

i enjoy getting shot at as a bb :P

[@JC-xz4ec]

As do I, but unfortunately he has a point. Many bb's sit at their max range or near it and then wonder why their cruisers and dds all melt as the enemy bb's with support, push in.

[@OmegaGHOZT]

@@JC-xz4ec exactly, seems like many don't want to damage the paint job

[@derek96720]

The key to playing a BB is to draw fire away from your teammates while ensuring that those shots affect you as little as possible.

[@GorinRedspear]

@@JC-xz4ec I stay at the back too now. I got sick and tired of being the only one who got shot at. You can say I pushed ahead too far, but when the opposite team manages to kill a Bismarck in three minutes, after being focused down by 5 ships, you know the rest is still way back at base. So now I stay put as well, and manage to survive sometimes as well.

[@tahamohamad9359]

I like your content. I play the Console version. Still the same mechanics I guess :)

[@fabienz31]

I... what ? Looking from the data from the website mentioned in this vid and the previous ones, the myoko class cruisers are basically doomed if they get hit by any BB AP. I'll keep watching, the playlist but man does it look bad for my sweet anime myoko sister.

[@osc89129]

Hello IChase

[@kalinmir]

imagine a skin that has skin of hakenkreutzes all over it like this Vladivostok skin has red flags

[@habababa1378]

I kinda feel like the ussr bbs are most reliant on angleing cus their citadels are exposed but their bow armor is super strong.

[@Arengeesus]

That is actually what BBs needs to be but sadly, only russian have em

[@xyz6106]

Or wait for that t10 ship to fire at you, while you're still angled then turn immediately while they reload.

[@filippoforni6781]

No time to do that, frankly.

[@johnnyenglish583]

Thank you for spelling "armour" correctly ;-)

[@grimmshredsanguinus2915]

but u cant angle torps

[@gammarailgun5406]

* torpedobeats start * Observe.

[@chewsandy3547]

auto bounce? still cant beat rains off HE. especialy your on a german BB.

[@usstexasbb3555]

Hmmm

[@BSoDexe]

Hello, can you please make a video on how to play tier X? proships.ru/stat/ru/p/1704822-BSoD_exe/ These are my stats, and I consider myself to be a good player, but on tier X i just fail miserably all the time (got Zao, Gearing, Yamato and Shimakaze, successful with none). And by the way, Yugumo felt as a straightforward better ship than Shima.

[@annakolanowski4057]

I love ships. Hiyt me up to ship with me. ;)

[@harvelein]

I'm here after a toxic Tryharder told me to learn the basics of the game after I finished the round with far the most points lol

[@davidhartman1032]

A am sorry but i an looking episode #4. you are talking about a bunch of BS about angels and hot to hit great . I am just looking about hoe to paly clan battels, as that is is about the next step in the game. You are a good teacher but you need to think about people that art just starting in the game

[@delta720728]

屁話太多，又不說重點

[@bigphillyed]

You make these videos almost impossible to watch. Sorry to be brutal, but honesty is important. I think your making this way too complicated and to long.