How to Get Good at World of Warships Episode 4: Autobounce and Overmatch

Episode 4 of the How to Get Good at World of Warships series teaches autobounce and overmatch. Learn these two concepts as they are important.
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[@Rasv-]

You learn all details on how to score good hits by studying that incredibly huge spreadsheet only to be taken out by the CV

[@Flamechr]

If you get taken out by a CV in the current meta then i will suggest to find a different game to play ;)

[@Rasv-]

@@Aeternum_Gaming moron learn the game. Just got taken out by enemy cv within 3 mins of battle

[@cmachinist]

@@Rasv- These people are only playing low tier games and only see tier IV CVs, that's why they're talking like this. Either that or they're butt hurt CV players mad about not being stupidly OP anymore.

[@Rasv-]

@Evilstorm11 you are so stupid I'm not commenting

[@brandonproductions8401]

Evilstorm11 “right level” My entire squadron getting destroyed by a single ship and not being able to help my team is fair in what way

[@Sombody123]

There are so many ships in this game that it's basically a nightmare for any new players to try to memorize all of these armor values.

[@HAWKSTA24]

Someone's KZbin Username that and most of us have a life.

[@dannyeden6244]

it even got worse now we have the ifhe changes !

[@Velerium]

@Tom Voke The thing is, he's absolutely correct, and you are not. Period. On both accounts, also. 1) People who play at high tiers spamming AP at 15 km vs DDs and flaming the team when they're left alone, with 10k dmg, in their 70k hps BBs, chilling in the back of the map, should do exactly what Evilstorm here advises. They should FUCK OFF. 2) Guess what *you* should be doing too, after posting such insightful comments? That's correct, sweetie, FUCK OFF. So how about you take your threats and "suggestions", shove 'em up your behind, and accept the fact that, on the internet, this is how it works? Take it as a wisdom nugget from a guy to another.

[@Velerium]

@Tom Voke Hostile, eh? I have a solution for hostile.

[@Velerium]

@Tom Voke That was not sarcasm. That was salt at its finest. But hey, I'm glad you're having enough fun to "be sarcastic". I'm out of here, before the self-proclaimed adult gets mad. Wouldn't want to get spanked, y'know. Stay toxic and be sure to practice your FUCK OFF game often!

[@Tas014]

Hey these videos are really useful, i recommend them to friends who are starting to learn the game so they understand whats actually going on. great work, keep em coming!

[@aritzrodriguezbilbao]

ESTOS VIDEOS NO VALEN PARA NADA,SI TIENES EL JUEGO TRUCADO COMO ES EN ESTE CASO,EL TIO ESTA CHETAO,

[@Tas014]

@@aritzrodriguezbilbao todo lo que dijo aplica al puntero regular, y todos los mods que usa estan en el foro oficial de WarGaming

[@4saken404]

Funny how 0.43 mm is all that stands between massive damage and zero damage with those 380mm guns.

[@balintcsiszar7867]

Thats what she said

[@SirSmokeAlot8866]

I've been playing wows for a couple of years and my win ratio is around 55% so I see myself as a fairly ok player. I've also seen a lot of wows videos before but this is by far the most educational series out there. Learned soooooo much new stuff! Thanks iChase and keep up the great work!

[@johnbeckwith1361]

Nice win ration, mine is the same after 4 years. But we all know the individual player hasn't much control over winning or loosing. There is nothing a player can do when their teammates "just wants to have fun" and could care less about scoring cap-points or doing what needs to be done....which sometimes means making a big sacrifice.

[@Shinjin509]

Excellent series. I struggle with this kind of data so your clear explanation is very helpful. Keep up the great work.

[@old_guard2431]

This illustrates the pain of being up-tiered in Tier VII ships, particularly cruisers. (Also Tier VI, but somewhat less of a problem.) The big jump up in bow/stern armor between Tier VII and Tier VIII puts cruisers at Tier VII and VI at a considerable disadvantage. .I.E. play defensive when up-tiered or die early and often.

[@larryboles629]

Fantastic! I am watching 2 vids a day and implementing your fabulous teachings. It is going to take a while for all this to become second nature. After 4+ years at this game, I do have a lot of bad habits to break. Thanks, bro.

[@turkthrust5172]

great content iCG, i always feel a little more knowledgeable when i've watched your streams.

[@MostlyHarmlessGuildcom]

Fantastic video. Sharing these with our clan and guild m8s. Two thumbs up!

[@isoluc11]

Holy crap Batman, SO SO SO good Ichase. Thank you so much for this series. I feel that you have found the perfect series to help us get better. Looking forward to the rest of this series and I do use your vids over and over again.

[@michaelkensbock9843]

The angle is decided by the shell, thus by the attacking ship. And contrary what's shown in the video, it's the angle on impact with the armour, not the angle compared to the centre-line of the ship. Given that bows are naturally flaring out, the actual angle is a bit more favourable for the attacker than what's shown in this video. The fatter and shorter the ship, the steeper it has to angle to achieve auto bounce (and now I watched this video I realize why the russian BBs have such ridiculous long noses - that way the auto bounce angle can be closer to the ideal centre-line)

[@issiahmiranda5277]

Hey chase thank you for this video . Really helpful especially the website. For the longest I was looking for a helpful webpage that would help me with info on auto bounce ,armour penetration , and so on. Thanks for all the helpful videos

[@minyaksayur]

I have to hug island every time I play now, the problem with overmatch mechanic is not the mechanic themselves, it's the match making. I played a lot of T6, when I get match to the bottom tier I only see T5, but when I get matched with upper tier, I get T8 opponent, even for a bb that's a definite overmatch.

[@Heavyshield]

wiki.wargaming.net/en/Battle_Mechanics_(WoWS)#Battle_Tiers

[@minyaksayur]

@@Heavyshield why are you linking it? it says t6 ship possible enemy t5-t8 it is exactly what I said.

[@hailitalia86]

Yea sucks but get used to it lol. I try to look at the bright side that you get a ton more so and credits for damaging and killing higher tier ships. Learn ships armor schemes and capabilities and your ships strengths and weaknesses and play smart.

[@GeoffParsons1469]

i see a ship and shoot lol

[@phydeux543]

Thanks for doing these, they are helping!

[@Zerknautscher]

Very informative, will try to implement. Thanks!

[@christopherbruning366]

Great piece on autobounce and MM plating.

[@NiuhiNui]

Great video. Thank you.

[@xjankox]

Excellent video! Thank you very very much for this series, it really helps a lot to a noob like me :)

[@samadams2203]

Hey thanks for the vid! I got absolutely drilled in Kirov by a Trento tonight and was really scratching my head about why it happened. He was firing at an autobounce angle, but it turns out Kirov has aluminum foil for stern plating so he was able to overmatch it. I couldn't tell which shells he was firing due to Sansonetti, but I guess it checks out. Wish the WoWs client had AP penetration values in it.

[@hailitalia86]

Google "wows AP pen" and one of the first ones is the wiki about armor thresholds. Gives a layout of what certain shell size and armor thickness can overmatch and bounce. Very helpful.

[@carstenhansen5757]

I was waiting for this. Thx. :)

[@oceanmonkey1789]

Very usefull video, thank you!

[@batrastardly4574]

Awesome vid ... thanks.

[@charlescdt6509]

Keep up the good work

[@Warmaker01]

This is a crucial mechanic to learn, second most important, only behind understanding Stealth / Spotting mechanics. If you don't understand Autobounce, Overmatch mechanics, you'll have your shells bouncing left and right, and when you try to bounce someone else's shells, you're getting crucified. Understanding Autobounce, Overmatch relationships between your ship and the opponent(s) lets you know what you can and can't get away with, what tactics are viable, and what will get you rekt.

[@Scott11078]

I'm hoping a lot of these are still relevant in 2023. While I've been playing since closed beta every few years I just up and forget large parts of this game. Thankfully I'm catching myself getting to this point WAAAY quicker each successive time so atleast this time its only been about 3ish months of me playing with the constant thought of "WTF is going on? Like I'll lose so much knowledge it's just not fun playing." Seems to be about every 2-3 years I have to go back to basics forget the 8 years I've been playing and go back to basics. The problem is this game DOES CHANGE and I know some of this is me failing to adapt to changes. Which brings another problem to light and that's the fact wows videos can become outdated and to be an even bigger pain in the ass the years are all over the place. For certain things it feels like video's from 2015-2016 are still valid but in other areas a well regarded video series covering (?) is basically useless after 2-3 years. I bet its got to fucking suck for the wows KZbinrs that devote A LOT of themselves to give us great content for it to be rendered obsolete in a few short years.

[@stephen9596]

Thanks for providing this content. Aaaannd 433 likes to 0 dislikes may be the highest ratio I've ever seen!

[@kano4282]

New-ish player. This is good info, but it will be A LONG time before I am proficient with this. Outside of basically knowing 45° is a weak rule of thumb. But still, a great resource and that website is good to know about. 👌

[@snipplez8657]

you should make a video on positioning is the various classes

[@cobrazax]

nice u forgot the 240mm henri overmatching UK cruisers at high tiers, and some other special light cruisers

[@jimmiarreltherford8464]

Yeah. I remember when I first did that as an "experiment" on a poor Neptune. A citadel and pens straight through the nose. Later, did it to a Mino that was bow tanking me. Popped reload booster and he melted XDXD

[@staminalee4054]

Lol yeah everyone should have the Pyotyr in there port very much the keeper. My advice get the AA mod lots of planes flying around low tiers

[@thomasreidy2772]

the 'navigator' is using the angle that is the relative bearing of youre own ship from the enemy ship. i love the vids, but im so used to actual shiphandling lingo that i confused myself for a few minutes hahaha

[@madcow3678]

THANKS

[@nicolas2838]

Would be nice if you explain how to bounce bb shells in a cruiser even he would normally overmatch your armor by showing your side.

[@raymonesimpson1291]

Hehehe. Im gonna use this more in ranked 😀

[@anthonyware4033]

Can you do a video on the shima? I find it hard to play now with all the radar ships out now. Like a build and torps to use and captin skills?

[@hailitalia86]

When i play dds and there's radar I will try to bait it out when i can. Need to keep a constant eye on your distance from them and an idea of if they have it ready or how much time they have left on its cooldown. I'll get in a cap and turn around immediately or back in and let them waste it as they usually pop it once they see a cap they are covering start getting taken. Half the time they get so horny for the lolibotes they will push into a shit position and get wrecked, or hurt alot at least. Main thing that pisses me off is the bs 12km radar RU gets. No reason it should have that kinda range really blows in CB as most dds or cruisers cant torp past 10km. So these pussy Stalingrads and Moskvas just camp out bow in with no way to really def strike them until late game when the flank can get their side. Should be 10km like literally everyone else.... But no... Cuz Russia.....

[@bran6374]

The Warspite could do decent damage to the Baltimore if the person knew how to play the game and knew UK ships are H.E. monsters and or you could of just shot at the superstructure but obviously this is for examples of what and how armor works but good descriptions on showing players how and what to do. 👍

[@Leptospirosi]

@iChaseGaming I checked tier VIII BB stats on the site you linked: how in your opinion are guns on Roma so erratic compared to, for example, Bismark, ad, to some extent, french BBs?

[@ichasegaming]

Quite a bit more erratic, Roma's velocity seems to do all kinds of wonky crap to the guns

[@esaualfaro3447]

I play mostly CVs and CLs, so I think I´ll just get overmatched by basically everyone haha.

[@andrewinbody4301]

I play mostly US light cruisers. I just try to never get hit, shoot down planes and hit what I can.

[@francom.cabano1383]

So this explains why my Nurnberg gets obliterated even when i'm angled....damn...

[@Percernis]

I'm definitely doing something wrong. I've watched several of our videos, adapted my game settings, crosshair and all, and tried angling and following the ricochet/overmatch rules. My aiming has gotten a lot worse, and I'm getting my a** handed to me in every match, when I used to have 50% WR... I guess it's practice, but it ain't helping hahaha

[@tonyennis3008]

This was pretty confusing, when you switched back and forth between the "0 = no deflection" and "0 = full deflection" quickly, in the section around 3:30

[@EvoraGT430]

I find it easier to remember the reverse angles (the ones Navigator uses). so if you remember 0-30 for most ships=autobounce, that's easier.

[@giannivandekerckhove5759]

The small navigator isn't available anymore. Witch one do you take now?

[@camouflage_cat1973]

I think the topics of overmatch and (auto)bounce should have been part of a general explanation how armor and armorpenetration in WoWs works. In my opinion it would be better to explain penetration mechanics first, before explaining overmatch and (auto)bounce mechanics. In many cases it is just important to know whether the shells can penetrate the armor without the need to worry for bounce and overmatch. Also when you call the whole thing autobounce, you are misapplying the term autobounce in my opinion. Autobounce should only be applied to the situation where shells will automatically bounce, i.e. when the impact angle is greater than 60° for standard AP shells. For all other situations, i.e. where the shells have only a chance to bounce or do not bounce at all, the situation is better described by just using the term bounce, without the auto.

[@ion282]

how do u get the angle on your "target focus"?

[@HiICantPK]

Well that explains how I keep getting wrecked in my DM when bow in.

[@hailitalia86]

Dm has a strong bow. Learn what ships can overmatch it. The WG Wiki has armor thresholds on it. Def study that and other ships guns. Google "wows AP pen" and I think its one of the first ones.

[@HiICantPK]

Yeah I know 406+ overmatches the 27mm bow now.

[@dannyeden6244]

ichase could you maybe redo this 1 now the ifhe change is in or wait till they have stabelized the patch?

[@bjarneskogseide7066]

hello IC... can you make a video about how to play DD.. so they can play longer then 2 min

[@christopherwilson6724]

In your example of the warspite overmatching the Colorado, Is the Colorado's correct play to be 10-20 degrees angles to get an auto-bounce?

[@ichasegaming]

Colorado's best play would have been to angle a bit less extremely, say 33-34 degrees and bait the Warspite to shoot at the main belt instead and bounce off that surface instead. I'll cover this in the next video :)

[@mokhtar___v]

i just cant thank you enough

[@maximinomorgado2150]

Ichase! Iloveyoucontent!

[@firewing1319]

Henry with a mino in view. Lunch time Also this video has a possibility to quickly be out of date with the changes to the cruisers. All heavy cruisers are getting 30mm in the center. That can be overmatched by the republique, yamasushi, thunderer, and I believe kremlin.

[@wild_lee_coyote]

Bow armor is going to remain the same so most of it will still matter. With the armor being standardize it should make the charts a bit easier to remember. So the values may change but the mechanics will remain the same.

[@firewing1319]

Wild_Lee Coyote it also might affect the meta. Oh wait it won’t change it will still be all russian ships.

[@MidnightPhoenix07]

Also keep in mind that those changes are a proof of concept test and if they get added will likely be a long way away (probably the earliest we’d see the IFHE and plating rework is late next year since it will likely take a long time to balance that without neutering mid tier CLs)

[@burntbacon8460]

Everyone talking about pyotr velikiy armor when the knyaz suvorov has 102 and 127mm plating in the front

[@eeyongchung6812]

How do you scroll between your guns?

[@thamm9112]

Wow a appreciate the help and guidance, but if you need this depth of knowledge to compete in this game, than I'll just have to settle to be below avg player.

[@jimmiarreltherford8464]

So that's that website Flamu uses to compare DD DPMs 😯😯

[@lubossoltes321]

Just wanted to ask, is the angle calculated on actual impact with the correct armor slope and shell impact angle or simply from ship heading ? The mod I guess works only on shop heading ... but the game ? because the game does not behave like the 2nd case is true ...

[@Sorain1]

it's calc is based on impact angle. This is why long range fire can bounce where closer in it won't. The mod gives you the ship heading because dispersion and different turret locations are considerations there aren't time to make in battle. Knowing the relative angle of a ship can give you a rough idea of if you'll get bounced and that's the best you can realistically expect.

[@armastat]

just to be clear the bounce angle is determined by the angle stats of the Attacking ship? or the stats of the defending ship?

[@catch_0227]

Both - angle of the defending ship + its armour plating will determine if the autobounce calculation happens for the attacking ship. If the defending ship has sufficient armour then you will not penetrate (so no autobounce calculation necessary). If you do not have enough armour, then your angle is compared to the attacking ships autobounce angle. This means that you can have less armour, but if you angle correctly you can still autobounce depending on the autobounce angle of the attacking ship.

[@chefmanou]

How do you get the english version of this site??

[@owenwoods2303]

Is there an English version of proships.ru?

[@GaniEmi]

this is only for ap right? or he also bounces

[@kaos6822]

How do you get that angle indicator on your cross hair, I don't have it with mine.

[@evanray8413]

Watch the first video.

[@eliasdh96]

Short question: does that mean you will never bounce a Yamato no matter what? And if you can bounce, why when you overmatch everything?

[@SGz_Eliminated]

This right here is why I will never be good at this game. I will never be able to memorise all these numbers, I can't even remember what ships have radar which frequently gets me killed when trying to play DDs

[@TheBlackob]

"No autobounce at all" - I know what you mean, since you talk about the mechanic but i had ricochet on a flat broadsite ship. Probably hit the turret or so. The viewers should be aware that this is a hit on the belt and not turret or superstructure.

[@scubastevewa8580]

As someone who has not fully grasped autobounce navigator arbitrarily using a different axis from the devs if very frustrating and only adds to the confusion.

[@MikeTheNABI]

Is the angle measured using the ship's longitudinal axis, or is the shape of the hull taken into account??

[@Sorain1]

Angle of impact (and thus both bounce and effective armor thickness) are calculated per shell hit based on geometry. So shape of hull does matter, quite a lot actually.

[@MikeTheNABI]

@@Sorain1 Wow, thanks for the info. So in addition to the angle the enemy ship presents to my guns, I must remember to consider which part (bow, midships, stern) of the hull I try to hit...

[@mandymals]

Can someoe tell me how to get the proships.ru page in english..? Please?

[@HK-jf2np]

Where can i get ur crosshair?

[@faiqcreates]

Played west virginia got into tier 8 mm with a carrier. Died before i even reached any cap

[@Debbiebabe69]

But how do you decide where your shells land? Even a perfect salvo, unless you are at point blank range, ends up with shells landing both in front of and behind the target ships, and those that hit, can hit anywhere.

[@Sorain1]

... on battleships at long range the dispersion can do that, but I've found that if you lead an enemy properly you can hit the front/back/center somewhat reliably. Keep in mind people aren't idiots (usually) so they're going to be maneuvering and shifting speeds.

[@Debbiebabe69]

@@Sorain1 yea thats a problem I always seem to have. When an opponent turns, by shells splash harmlessly hundreds of feet away. Whenever I turn, even if a destroyer turning 180 degrees, the enemy shells seem to home in on me like lasers.

[@N1njaSnake]

Chase, didn’t the Wichita get the regular shells in the end?

[@barryfoster8311]

Wichita does not have the "super heavy" shells that later US Heavies got. However, all US Heavies have the superior auto-bounce angle because of their better fuze caps.

[@jonathan.w1498]

Have they removed the mod? Can not find it, i used to have it so i know it was there..^^

[@ashdroid0755]

How to get that Ricochet angel indicator Under the crosshair?

[@camouflage_cat1973]

It is a mod called Navigator, iirc. It can be found in the ModStation or some other modpacks.

[@ohlala9546]

How to Geet Good at wows #2

[@ashdroid0755]

I'm using the aslain mod navigator That doesn't seem to have the under crosshair ricochet angle thing

[@HLPlaysWoWB]

Just wondering, but does anyone know whether these mechanics apply in World of Warships Blitz?

[@reymar2035]

Nah.

[@thecommunistblackhole7717]

pytor velikiy has laughed at you after you got autobounced

[@pureblood4386]

I have the navigator mod installed into my game, i have the large version that shows the bow's of the ship, but im not sure how to use it correctly, does any body care to explain?, thanks.

[@comcode3]

Not an active user of navigator mod here but i have used it for some battles. So here we go, let's try it ^^ I believe there is also a number for the angle of the enemy ship shown. You can use that exactly like described in the video with your caliber in combination with the enemies armor thickness to know if you should aim for the bow or if the superstructure would be the better target - or maybe even switch to HE. But there is - what I think - a much greater advantage of using the navigator mod which doesn't even concern autobounce or overmatch. You can immediately see when an enemy is starting to turn (doesn't matter if angled or exposing his broadside) so you can adjust your aim much earlier than when you have to wait for your first shells to miss.

[@pureblood4386]

@@comcode3 Thanks for the informative reply, it never really struck me to use it as a means of tracking the enemy's movements, i was only using it for auto-bounce , but i will from now on, thanks again.

[@hailitalia86]

I got it a while ago but found myself never using it as i just learned angling and whatnot naturally. Breaks my focus way too much so i just never used it. Just get better using your eyes and knowledge. You'll reap better rewards

[@mariopalenciagutierrez4318]

This videos are very useful for noobs and unicums alike! Do you plan on making something CV related?

[@ichasegaming]

Yeah, class specific stuff comes later down the line

[@thepurplesmurf]

Unicums usually know this stuff already, this is what made them unicum in first place and the noobs that would need this infomation most are the ones who don't care and don't watch videos like this.

[@mariopalenciagutierrez4318]

@@thepurplesmurf well, I am a Unicum CV player that is looking to get better in other lines, so it does help. A couple of things I knew, other I had doubts.

[@EvoraGT430]

Drake, Goliath and Cheshire are 45-65 degrees, too.

[@rickly898]

hi peoples ad Ichase

[@osc89129]

Hello IChase

[@ichasegaming]

heya

[@benoitlabrecque4513]

I tought the angles where about the actual angle between the armor and the shell... Not the ship's "line" angle

[@archwaldo]

I think it's just as you said: the actual angle between the armor and the shell. However, the difference in gun angles among turrets to the target is negligible at long range, so you can treat it as angles between ships for simplification. Shell-to-armor angles only really matter at close range.

[@gothamgoon4237]

It is in reality.

[@kale9199]

It really sucks that I cant use the exact armor view cause I play legends

[@benquinneyiii7941]

Lanced armor?

[@gothamgoon4237]

I already know armour angles and such. What I want to know is how to shoot accurately. I watch falmu, Flambass and Jingles videos and they ALWAYS have tight groupings and hit the target precisely EVERY time with pretty much citadels everytime. No matter what ship I play my salvos go out like a scatter gun and the one or two shells that hit always bounce, ricochet or overpen. I frustrates me no end. The aiming scale is USELESS. I aim precisely where it tells me to and the rounds go nowhere near where I'm trying to aim. Yet these uber unicum players seem to be able to hit and do citadel damage no matter what. Is it a lag problem or do they know something I don't?

[@Azreal20]

Thats because CCs and streamers play alot...like ALOT...Why? Because RNG! The vids that are uploaded are usually the unicum battles, were RNG "let's" them do things. Play 50 battles in one ship, and you notice that for every so and so many games were nothing works, you get 1-2 were suspeciously any shot seem to be perfect, going were aimed and doing what its suppoesd to, thats a unicum battle. Thats what I find funny about Clantag-progamer-CC-streamers , they tell you to "learn to aim" , to then say "pray to RNG"... Just like when in OP Premium boats they say "it's disgustingly OP and out of balance" yet get frustrated when one salvo gets RNG'ed to oblivion...

[@praetorian9196]

Try Yamato to,you are going to bounce with citadels :)))))))))))))

[@manhoisun9480]

what is AP dpm???

[@cheshire7994]

Armor-Piercing Damage Per Minute

[@PMMagro]

Don't show broadside to heavy guns. If you can get an angle instead of flat broadside do it...

[@cristianmicu]

how does he calculate ap armor penetration at 1 km? there is a formula? he's saying 4xx mm like its a no brainer i mean wth

[@nomis19821982]

Navigator?

[@vainhazearden6788]

And there is some guy who just pop smoke and hug an island while spamming HE destroying any who Is unfortunate enough to be in its vision range. Especially smolensk

[@gothamgoon4237]

You mean romulin cloak and spam HE all game. Yeah, I know it well.

[@pegasusted2504]

Interesting, also lol.

[@MrRay168]

when plating is more important than belt armor and all or nothing armor is inferior to turtle back armor

[@Bretaxy]

I don't like how you can easily confuse navigator angle with the other angle.

[@flaviosalatino8192]

You forgot the Italian ca sap

[@bushyfromoz8834]

get plenty of bounces in that green area.....

[@chewsandy3547]

How bout GK's 420?

[@winterlast6451]

Same as 406mm

[@halgrimhelgrimson]

damn and i suck at stats and math damn you ADHD :P

[@funnybunnymomoney388]

I died because of excel spread sheet cell G34

[@PGM991]

you don't expect a 'CASUAL' player to remember those number .... aren't you? I certainly can't remember, and I've been play WoWs for 4 years since launch =w='a

[@ichasegaming]

Hence why the general rules of thumb and a resource website for the numbers, you only have to really learn tier by tier

[@andrewinbody4301]

Ya. I try to hit the enemy and not get hit by anyone.

[@zorven]

Same here. My mind just doesn't want to remember this level of info.