How to get Oxidizers for Solid Rocket Propellants(Rocket Fuel)

[@dudekorean3977]

As always, thank you for watching the video! I highly recommend reading the sources listed in the description. Although it may feel uncomfortable to start reading research papers and articles on your own, it is one of the most reliable methods on gathering credible information.

[@iamsonedisoncahaya4845]

Urea Nitrate is easy to make you don't need concentration Nitric Acid, you can use dilute Nitric Acid, in this matters Sulfuric Acid is not needed. Actually i manage to synthesize Urea Nitrate but i don't think that's gonna explode it's just disintegrate when you burn or heat the substance. I make Methyl Nitrate too but i don't know how to use that so it's can fly like a rocket.

[@NitrobenzeneNO3]

Yoo! Dope that a clip from one of my vids was shown. One thing tho; it's not the urea nitrate clip, that one is at the end of the video :P This detonation was copper hexamine perchlorate being detonated with a persulfate based (Na2S2O8) flashpowder. For the UNAl tho, we used some tetra-amine copper perchlorate as a primary to initiate the mixture of urea nitrate + fine aluminum powder (>5μm). Urea nitrate on it's own is actually very stable, but once you add a strong reducer, with a lot of surface area (>5μm) and initiate it with some kind of a primary, it will go off with a lot of energy, anyways good video mate :D

[@dudekorean3977]

Whoa.. what an explosion! Just watched the UN clip and it's totally awesome(and rightfully very frightening ngl haha) I really like your other videos as well. I'm guessing you're a explosive enthusiast? We have heavy regulations on explosives here so doing these experiments would get me in so much trouble unfortunately.. Anyhow, thanks for uploading the clip dude. There really isn’t much UN clips out there. I'II be looking forward to your next experiments

[@shintokatana17]

You can make high explosives from most nitrate salts including urea nitrate but it is not possible to initiate the explosion of such with anything less than a proper blasting cap. (it's a safe chemical)

[@june-001]

Cant wait to see more!

[@dudekorean3977]

Thank you!

[@davidmcnamee136]

The Zn-S rocket fuel requires pressure to increase the burn rate. At the Reaction Research facility in Mojave, c]California, USA, the rockets using this fuel are 1m lengths of steel pipe. The nozzle is turned steel and a thin sheet brass burst diaphragm is placed between the fuel/igniter and the nozzle. In this arrangement all of the fuel in the rocket burns in about 0.25 seconds.

[@dudekorean3977]

That’s interesting, but I gotta ask, doesn’t the reaction produce no gas and has relatively low enthalpy? It’s so weird to me that they’re still doing research on it when there’s much more proven types of propellants.

[@JudyTheMaltipoo]

연구하고, 탐구하고 생각하고, 실험하고~ 심층있게 더 노력하는 자세는 너무도 대단한것 같습니다~~ 👍 정말 훌륭합니다 ^^ ❤️

[@randomhuman1965]

Thank you from Canada

[@dudekorean3977]

I spent most of my childhood in Canada. Loved it there. I wish you Canadians well

[@VerbenaIDK]

Found something interesting, hydrazinium nitrate, a solid salt of hydrazine that is a oxidizwr and also an exosive thqt can be used in explosives and maybe rocket propellant as a oxidizer and as a monoprop rocket propellant, but judging from the structure alone, it'd be quite a good oxidizer for adding a extra punch to the fuel, I need to experiment with this

[@dudekorean3977]

Alright, good luck w the experiments and feel free to let me know of the results if you want. I’m interested

[@sharpfang]

"Hydrazinium nitrate"... I first see this name and without reading any further I'm already scared. What next? Nitroglycerinium cyanide?

[@djdrack4681]

You didn't mention aluminums vital use in most mixes. Granted it is restricted in highly atomized/low micron powders, but often times its easy to make or obtain in bulk from machine shops, as their waste shavings/dust.

[@1495978707]

Why is aluminum specifically so important anyway?

[@1495978707]

Why is aluminum specifically so important anyway?

[@dudekorean3977]

Fine Aluminum powder is used in rocket propellants and various explosives to raise the reaction temperature(extremely high enthalpy) and burn rate

[@pacman10182]

Used calcium ammonium nitrate and potassium chloride for my potassium nitrate. Both available as fertilizer where I live

[@dudekorean3977]

Nice nice👍🏻

[@Rashadrus]

Easy way - ammonia nitrate + Alluminium powder+Sulfur - simple and danger. One problem - need detonator: acethone peroxid or something more stable.

[@dudekorean3977]

Wait, isn’t that basically tannerite lol. A high explosive that could get me arrested? You usually bind those with a rudder binder to slow down the combustion rate if you ever want to consider using it as a propellant.

[@isaacmcginn7923]

That's a pretty sensitive flash powder lol

[@Webofchains]

Very useful bro. Gonna make some home made short ranged quasi ballistic missile . 😅

[@0lz179]

What can i use instead of the potassium carbonate? Or where did you order yours?

[@dudekorean3977]

Potassium Carbonate isn’t too hard to purchase online. I ordered mine from a common online store in Korea!

[@VerbenaIDK]

I made urea nitrate, 100 something grams of it (too wet to properly.weoght it, otherwise I've got 123.5% yield or something), and it seems pretty safe, it's still a little wet but it inst terribly sensitive, it's kinda like AN where you have to try to get it to properly detonate

[@dudekorean3977]

Ah thanks for sharing your experience w it. How did you make it?

[@VerbenaIDK]

@@dudekorean3977 The way I made it wanst very optimal, but I just added nitric acid to solid urea, it heated up and it turned into a paste, since it was a lot of precipitate, I dissolved it in some boilling ethanol so it was easier to handlese There is a different way to do it too which is a methasis reaction which is listed on sciencemadness, I dont know if it works since I have nitric but no nitrates (I really need to buy some tbf), according to sciencemadness wiki, gently heating a solution of urea and nitrate on a water bath and adding HCl will precipitate urea nitrate, and you can put it in the freezer to crash out the rest But it really doenst work well as an oxidizer, it is kinda like AN but bad, it is not hygroscopic but it hust doenst wanna oxidize the sugar I mixed it wirh abd burst into flames in the same way AN does, the sugar just chars and smokes, I will try mkre stufd but it's not looking good for UN really, maybe I am just dumb and cant get it to work.

[@dudekorean3977]

Thanks for the results! I was curious about its effectiveness. Btw, was the mix stoichiometrically ideal? Perhaps that could be the reason?

[@VerbenaIDK]

@@dudekorean3977 I will try again, but either the urea nitrate pobably has to be in huge excess, or use a fuel that takes less oxygen to completely burn maybe? I'd have to try with C and Al but I dont have any so it will be sugar, I will test a few mixtures, do you think 90%, 80%, 70% and 50%, 10g each will be fine? Also, I'd recommend to you to make some if you can frok HCl and a nitrate salt like KNO3

[@VerbenaIDK]

@@dudekorean3977 Did the test, 50% looks like a carbon tower and didnt burn, only foamed and smoked, 70% left only a bit of residue, 90% looks like a carbon serpent, none properly burnt but 70% came the closest to it 70% is far from stoichometry, regular sugar is glucose, it's big-ish molecule, C6H12O6, the oxygens can go to the hydrogens and make 6 water molecules and the C are left as elemental C, so that's likely what is burning, the carbon 10CH5N3O4 + 3C > 11CO + 2CO2 + 25 H2O + 10N2 It would go about like this, might be wrong since I am not that good at stoichometry and stuff but, it does burn fine-ish but it generates CO which is not as good as all the way to CO2 In this 10:3 ratio, there's a total of 40 oxygens available which 25 go to water, 15 oxygens left, 2 can go all the way to CO2, the rest can only go to CO So that explains the foaming, and that kind of explians why it doenst burn all that well and why the 70% might have burnt better instead of the 90% which I expected burning better I need to make more UN and buy some coal I can turn into powder so I can test it in different ratios 4CH5N3O4 + 2C > 6CO + 10H2O 6N 2:1 (246g:12g) should burn ok ig, I have to test It's kinda impressive that it's even if only slightly OB positive, I though it was OB negative And since I dont know when to shut up, here's a giant comment

[@alllove1754]

I can definitely tell you have Calcium in your nitrate, during that intro burn. I was thinking you had strontium, due to the redness, but now I see. Potassium has that white/purplish color, looks hotter by color. You might benefit from a catalyst, but I couldn't tell you what it is... looked like it qorked just fine though

[@dudekorean3977]

Hm, I think it’s because of the camera. Since In real life there was definitely a purple tint. You can see it more clearly I. My other video when it was dark outside but yeah that’s what I think.

[@alllove1754]

@@dudekorean3977 it certainly could be the camera, yeah.. it was just a dead ringer for Ca+ ions, perhaps just a trace. You know how sodium, even a trace, makes the whole of other metals in fire outshined. Barium does the same thing, but only a trace of sodium in a barium fire and you will see yellow in it.

[@jafinch78]

Didn't know urea nitrate was used as a rocket fuel. Wow, don't recall reading about in my pre-teen rocket scientist ambition readings. I recall the hygroscopic nature of the ammonium perchlorate can be a challenge noted when touring the Cape and I want to say that's why the foam rubber or other resin materials incorporation was used. Been decades since I researched and even during my first B.S. program... I didn't want to work with the highly energetic compounds and was more interested in the molecular energies frequencies tuned use to catalyze reactions. Like IR or Microwaves specifically and at least was able to use a kitchen microwave albeit really crude from my perspective in regards to my work... though at that time was more a taboo subject and being undergraduate research I was already over achieving. Great overview! Homebrew H2O2?

[@dudekorean3977]

From my knowledge, Urea Nitrate is not utilized in conventional rocket propellants. Even after extensive research, the information that I was able to gather concerning its properties is nebulous at best... In fact, utilization of listed oxidizers are generally limited to hobbyists and amateur rocketry since perchlorates are generally much more efficient and reliable. But more importantly, since perchlorates have been thoroughly tested and had its viability proven, there’s no reason to use the unreliable alternatives. Unless of course, you have limited access to them. Your research on these topics sound quite intriguing. Do you remember the titles of the books? I would love to read them myself. I originally read that binders are used to secure the propellants in place by greatly increasing its durability. I see how it could also prevent unwanted absorption of water vapor in the air

[@jafinch78]

@@dudekorean3977 Wow... I just tried to post a longer reply and will see if this posts. My browser just went wonky, though anyways basically most of my work was when I was a pre-teen in the late 80's and early 90's and was left in the basement where a leak happened that ruined most of my items during the period my Dad had "cancer" though my guess was the "Havana Syndrome" health attacks being I recorded some signals evidence here at the house a couple years later and about 10 days prior to the Cuban "crickets" AP recording coming out. Anyways, been advocating those remote sensing stations concealed wireless assault weapons that transmit sound, body and mind control malicious issues situational awareness since appears there are now imminent threats poaching more law abiding civilians than those continuing criminal enterprises desperate to look official and masked armed rob for budgets. So, back to rocketry. Just look up on Google or your favorite search engine "NASA solid rocket propellant binders" and "Thiokol solid rocket propellant binders and I'm sure you'll find enough info to keep you busy as I most likely read the papers from the early or mid 90's and prior. Oh, I just noticed my clipboard history did save what I copied and pasted that seemed familiar. THE HISTORY OF SOLID-PROPELLANT ROCKETRY: WHAT WE DO AND DO NOT KNOW, 10.1016/0094-5765(93)90158-S, New solid propellants based on energetic binders and HNF, NASA Home > Mission Sections > Space Shuttle > Return to Flight > Space Shuttle System and Mechanics and Chemistry of Solid Propellants Proceedings 1967. Like some NASA papers regarding external combustion engines... there are a few great ones I've never been able to find again and when my Ford F150 truck was stolen in Utah, all my office data that had records since are started keeping them, went along with. Bummer, though risky topics to idiots that are desperate to look like they're doing something with "government" or "officials." Amazing how malicious morons assumptions can be due to their malicious criminal minds intent dementia or something. Then again, some want any excuse they can to murder law abiding citizens that don't play along with the continuing criminal enterprises of Roman Ecclesiastical Provinces which includes Jesuits, Maltese and their other related cohorts of Axis State malicious actors and whatever they formed. Figure they're either a military order or religious order of Latin Rites in some ways even if they desperately try to disconnect and act like they've changed. OK... hope that wasn't too much tangent, though kind of trigger type network issues with the NASA and desperate to rob masked armed concealed wireless assault weapons sound, body and mind control rob for their budgets and things they flippin idiot flip they armed rob.

[@dudekorean3977]

Hmm yes, these are interesting per se, but currently I am looking for quality books on such topics as well. I suppose it was a vastly different era back then so some of the books presumably could be considered outdated(?) After reading the NASA research paper/articles I want to state that I found these papers highly straightforward and credible(although expected from a research paper, more so, from a paper written by a government funded agency) and I would strongly encourage others that are interested to try reading these themselves. Here are the links: -The History of Solid-Propellant Rocketry: What We Do And Do Not Know www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/pdf/88635main_H-2330.pdf -Solid Propulsion Technology and Development: Proven Technology for a New Era of Applications www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/solid_p_td.pdf

[@Michael-rg7mx]

In the USA it is illegal to make an explosive used on the ground. Areal burst is ok.

[@dudekorean3977]

Technically it’s not an explosive. It’s a propellant that deflagrates not detonate.

[@Michael-rg7mx]

@@dudekorean3977 Maybe you know? What do they put on prills? How to purify potassium nitrate?

[@dudekorean3977]

@@Michael-rg7mx what are prills? You can purify it by recrystallizing it

[@DJChesley]

That's great but to make nitric acid you need potassium nitrate to begin with so kind of defeates the purpose doesn't it?

[@dudekorean3977]

Yeah I see what you mean. I still figured there might be viewers exploring various oxidizers to experiment w different compositions. Nonetheless, I suppose for people with no access to nitrate salts it’s not really a viable option

[@marksommers4868]

Nitric Acid can be made from ordinary Air( Useing Electrical Dishharge ) - There's vids on this subject

[@dudekorean3977]

Truee, I’ve seen nurdrage, codyslab and elementalmaker’s video on the topic

[@F34RZCH4N]

You could pull a nilered

[@벌꿀오소리-p8r]

interesting

[@David-zc1qv]

Here in swva sodium nitrate is in gound hog gas bomb

[@shintokatana17]

6:14 It's definately not extremely easy. Everybody can make it if he wants but it is not the most straight forward process.

[@dudekorean3977]

Yeah I actually agree w you. The procedure isn’t difficult at all tbh, but it was really hard to prepare for the whole thing

[@chimkinNuggz]

Thank you but don't u fear by putting this out there u are helping north korea with their nuke program?

[@dudekorean3977]

Their sources of Rocket technology(mostly from Soviet-era scud missiles) are much more convoluted than the mere production of an Oxidizer. I can assure you that Kim has no interest gathering information from videos like this

[@skd999100]

🤙🔥💪👍🌷💚

[@user-jm4nj7nz6t]

LOL i just buy mine in bulk from suppliers. It's nice being legal and licensed, you can get anything you want! 😂

[@dudekorean3977]

Damn, I’m jealous. Are you a farmer or a chemist?

[@user-jm4nj7nz6t]

@@dudekorean3977 yes chemist

[@user-jm4nj7nz6t]

​@@dudekorean3977chemist

[@dudekorean3977]

Ah, I see

[@LengthyProcess]

Awe you deleted it? I'm curious now. Demolition?

[@iajs5350]

pyrogarage is the best chemical supplier from europe i order everything from there

[@dudekorean3977]

Is some sort of permit required and does it ship to Korea?

[@iajs5350]

@@dudekorean3977 you dont need a permit but i think it only ships to europe

[@dudekorean3977]

Oh I see, thank you

[@Natogoon]

There's multiple sites like that throughout European countries that ship to the entire EU. But please don't draw too much attention to these sites.

[@iajs5350]

@@Natogoon pf

[@refluxcatalyst7190]

Those "two definitions" are the same thing. It's just one definition!

[@taran22eight]

1:10 map by rus kid

[@SimonsAstronomy]

I dont have potassium nitrade F*ck

[@nakidsalmon5327]

1:06 wtf happened with Ukrainian borders

[@dudekorean3977]

I literally typed world map and this photo showed up. I didn’t see the Ukraine/Russian part of the map. I apologize.

[@nakidsalmon5327]

@@dudekorean3977 😂 accidentally putting a wrong map is such a common thing on KZbin. I'm not offended 😄 It's Impossible to make everything perfectly