HOW TO GET READY FOR REFORGED EDEN 1.7 | Empyrion Galactic Survival

[@picklep3076]

Anyone remember when Spanjs first started playing Empyrion? People used to give him tips. Now his videos are teaching us. Man how the worm has turned.

[@gman7923]

Ty for taking the time to explain these changes

[@xlerb2286]

I've only ever played vanilla Empyrion but a buddy and I are going to give RE a try once it's out and has had a chance to work out a few of the kinks. Hopefully there will be some updated ship designs in the workshop by then too. I'm middling fair at tweaking ship designs in vanilla but this video is a great help to learning what that will take in RE. Thank you.

[@JimBloggins1]

I've played EGS since very shortly after initial alpha and since RE's release I haven't played vanilla. As far as I'm concerned EGS without RE isn't EGS.

[@kreliz2845]

This answered all of my questions that i still had after the stream. Thanks Spanj!

[@theredscourge]

Protip: if you need to remove laser cannons to free up CPU but want to still have okay shield stripping ability, consider EMP cruise turrets in favor of plasma or laser, as they do a LOT more shield damage per unit of CPU cost. The ammo is expensive though.

[@lilgroot135]

Ah Spanj the Jeremy Clarkson of spaceships, this definitely gave me top gear vibes lol. Very informative and witty sarcasm, 4 out of 5 stars. That's only because we didn't get to see stuff get blown up though :) personally I'd replace sum layers of the core blocks of the ship with hardened steel to reduce weight a bit as if they get in that far ya probably done for anyway and being able to move and manuver is kinda more important than just taking the hits all the time.

[@moonshinebandit6158]

Project Eden just looked even better

[@MrSchnabelente]

Great walkthrough for the conversion process! To note: Aux cores are 330k cpu again with yesterdays public test version of RE. Also, if you do use Colonists Bolters as decoys, be aware that you will need to keep a stockpile of those if you plan to use a repair block for ship repairs. You do need to add the built weapon to the repair platform if it gets blown off - which a decoy turret probably will.

[@Spanj]

good points!

[@Dumber0]

Cant wait.....its almost here

[@simon-ricardokuhn1713]

Man, these ships look so awesome and most of my CV's are just boxes with wings xD

[@or2169]

The real question is. Did vermilion penalize the ai also? Does the ai also have to trim down to meet cpu usage also? Does the ai also have to have the ammo it needs to shoot at us ? I think the ai also needs to be handicapped like players do.

[@seliasthemage]

The ships never are set to follow the same rules as players.

[@or2169]

@@seliasthemage that’s the sucky part. Restrict and make things more of a challenge and the ai doesn’t have to change at all.

[@pantheis]

​@@or2169 Weapon damage, including for AI ships, has been adjusted along with the shield changes. The idea being to provide an option to make shield tanking actually work, instead of shields being only useful for the stray shot and basically just assuming large parts of your ship would be blown off every actual encounter.

[@Spanj]

Yes, AI ships also have the same shield changes, but as always, some of them do not need to comply with CPU

[@Nobbie248]

Just started playing and this game is wonderful and I hate myself for putting off playing it for so long

[@diggles01]

Another great video thanks Spanj. Crew should definitely offset more cpu points, they are an important asset to your ships operation so should reflect that. Also it would be great to store crew in the Cryo chambers

[@Bigrignohio]

Have not played Empyrion in quite a while. I assume it has been reset at least once since then. Should probably pop on and see what's up.

[@justin.s9783]

love the reactor. what if on the Gladiator you replaced some of the combat steel for xeno to make it lighter? maybe remove a layer of armor after every 2 layers to act like spaced armor to reduce weight? just a thought . the ship does look cool. looking forward to RE releasing even though i mainly just build stuff lol. good vid

[@npenick66]

RFE has been my go to scenario for a while. It could be extremely challenging to get beyond mid game as a solo player. My last play through I finally solo'd the dyson sphere for the first time, the grind has had me take a 6 month break since. Getting quantum/aux cores, along with so many other things, was pretty brutal for a solo player. It completely burned me out on Empyrion for the first time in 5 years. Now it looks like the grind and difficulty have gone to the point of not looking very fun. On top of that, all my designs are hosed or need major rebuilds? My initial reaction, especially to the shield/cpu changes are to say F that, going back to PE. There's challenging and there's being kicked in the pins. I'll hold my breath and give RFE 1.7 a chance, but it really looks like solo players are SoL on this version.

[@fantasygraph]

aux core are easy to get in RE 1.6 .... you can get components for 2 to 3 aux core in one day on any Hell planet...

[@GSMonroeFolkMusic]

@@fantasygraph a day? on a Hell planet? Talk about of GRIND.... no thanks.

[@fantasygraph]

A day because of regen time... you need like one hours for 100 drones components to make one aux core... btw, you can build a lot of nice ship with only the standard cpu...

[@shkotayd9749]

I hear ya. I had done many vanilla runs on EGS. My time with RFE was intense and FUN. But the grind physically hurt it was so long lol. I also havent played EGS since 1.5 not because of lack of enjoyment, but because of burnout. I'll give this one a go too, but I am expecting another long burnout after. RFE has been a weird mod that way. I enjoyed the heavy step up in challenge and development. But it took everything out of me to do it.

[@samsquatch7285]

Wow, it looks like Vermillion made some big changes. Maybe time to jump back in when 1.7 is released. Hopefully ASY will let me team up with them again😁

[@GSMonroeFolkMusic]

Crew is clearly under powered and nearly worthless in the overall system. I ran some numbers and it takes 50 crewmen to offset the CPU of a single mining laser or primary weapon mount. 5 crewmen per gatling turret adds up quickly and barely scratches the CPU requirements of a large CV even with "Automation". Their value needs to be much Higher in my opinion.

[@JimBloggins1]

Ii started a thread last year or before in the official forums about utilizing crew in better ways. Engineers for shield/weapon systems, doctor could auto craft med consumables and/or heal you, drive engineers that could squeeze extra thrust out or reduce power usage etc. Some loudmouth said it was a dumb idea and it fell flat as a topic. I still think it would've changed the game for the better drastically.

[@GSMonroeFolkMusic]

@@JimBloggins1 I'm all for that. As it is, it is a step in the right direction, but the CPU numbers are not balanced at all. If you are going to have a crew that 1) you have to hire at market value, 2) Must replace if lost in combat, and 3) provide Crew Quarters for. Then, the numbers should balance to the CPU mathematically. The result would be far more believable ship designs and fewer of the "Gun Wart" massively overgunned CVs.

[@samsquatch7285]

There are guys in my faction that have hundreds of crew sitting inside their ships inside a giant bay. Kind of ridiculous looking but it works. For me, I skip them and go straight to killing drones for aux cores

[@mokahtgs]

On our personal server we significantly raise the CPU savings that each adds. Agreed that they do not balance this well. I personally feel the CPU limits are a bit too tight.

[@JimBloggins1]

@@GSMonroeFolkMusic yeah exactly; adds actual customization beyond simple geometrical/device placement and would cause far more in accountability when designing boats. As well I think it would add so many layers of system design that it would become endless in possibility, plus open the door for more change in additions to the game design. Maybe off its success someone spots another area where a similar change could be made, resulting in another successful mechanic emerging. I find that this game, after a few thousand hours, has so much more potential than is being currently realized by the development team. I understand that the complexity rises when new portions of a database are implemented but I'm reminded of when NASA said rockets couldn't be reclaimed and then a dude came along and just did it. I think the game itself could grow much longer legs if the development team were open to more discussion on theoretical improvements, beyond art assets and water ripples that insinuate but don't deliver water that actually flows.

[@tahaan99]

I can't wait to try out the new Vendetta. I think it is going to be better than the original!

[@pappapandagamer7438]

One thing I have noticed is that the ships dont need as much power as people think. Trimming a generator or two can definitely help save some CP

[@thirdworldrider6991]

wait until you equip your ship with 25 shield caps and 25 shield chargers if you want to have a shield worth anything. takes 347KW just to turn on the shield and 70kw to keep it running. enjoy :)

[@CodockDraconin]

Hmm upgrade the Gladiator's lag armor to xeno or heavy armored windows to trim weight a bit?

[@Spanj]

I was tempted to replaceblocks to Xeno but the textures would be F'd

[@tdunbar6148]

noob question: when using tt in my starting sector, right cliking on the map only brings up way point marker control... what am i doing wrong to move me and my ship across the sector map?

[@Spanj]

you need to enable teleport via the console command just type tt - this will only work in single player and if you want to move your ship too you need to use the Sector 'sector name' command

[@tdunbar6148]

@@Spanj tyvm!

[@kalisthenes6650]

Huh. I had no idea crew actually lowered CPU. Is this a RE feature? Well the two aliens are chatting so only getting the work of one done.

[@fantasygraph]

yes... and read the RE doc/what's new.. it help...

[@23GreyFox]

And it isn't worth much. If anything at all.

[@Rebekah_Thomson]

With that much shields on the gladiator you could reduce the amount of lag shot armour. Starting on the very inside of the armour, reduce some of the rows. This will help with the weight issues, which in turn could reduce some of the thrusters freeing up some CPU, which in turn lets you add more shields. This should allow you to find a better balance with the ship.

[@Spanj]

I feel a Gladiator MK2 coming along, fresh build probably easier :P

[@Rebekah_Thomson]

@@Spanj you're probably right in starting fresh. Although, there would be some "die-hards" out there who would try to convert their older builds to fit the new update. I would love to see a gladiator v2. Something just feels right about the antiquated notion of naval warfare in space. (I know the concept of it is 100% completely wrong). But the gladiator fits that notion so well.

[@johanmaasing]

Some turrets hit harder after the update so taking an existing build it will already have a bit more firepower than before. Be a bit clever with removing turrets and it will maybe not even be a nerf.

[@samsquatch7285]

Come on now. Vermillion IS the ai's leader. He hates when people can figure out ways to kill his pets and developed more ways to handicap us...

[@dracconis69]

Spanj's attempt to say Behemoth American style "Be he a moth" ;)

[@Spanj]

Behmoth

[@GamerMax]

The gladiator is T1. I thought that massive ship was T4. Do you not like the massive ships?

[@ICKY427]

shield tanks lets gooooooo! "prismatic" anyone?

[@Phyngrs]

you have not touched on the spiny spiny ships, was this fixed or can you still make a plastics ship and have it move so fast it can't be hit? cose if not then this game is still broken!

[@pantheis]

The spiny spiny thing was an exploit of how the game handled AI attempts to hit your ship. Not dodging, just exploiting a weakness in the AI targeting. I believe this has been somewhat nerfed. It's still possible to make a spiny spiny ship, but it won't work as well as before. The changes to shields are to allow another playstyle and player choice on managing their max shields, recharge rate, energy usage, ship mass, etc.

[@mhaas281]

Anyone done the new sector command?

[@karmasjustice1432]

Am I the only one that Kinda wanted to see how the gladiator performed in combat after the changes were made?

[@seliasthemage]

They might as well taken out the original guns and make it so you can only use the ones they obviously want you to use. Also might as well make the shields not have any penalties from other stuff on your ships. That is the most ridiculous thing I have seen to date. Just lower the shield amounts then spend points on where you want it.

[@shkotayd9749]

I feel a tad irritated lol. It already was hard to make good stuff early to mid game. REALLY hard. This feels like a fair step up from that. RFE is a superb mod. But the grind to get stuff actually hurts lol.

[@GSMonroeFolkMusic]

I've been playing on the test server, it sucks now for Early game. All of the familiar Traders are gone, and making coin to purchase hard to get items has been replaced by ridiculous side quests. All of your early HV's and SV's need updating and unfortunately Downgrading because resources for many items are much harder to get for "Reasons".

[@Spanj]

RE has always been about extending the gameplay loop, in vanilla everyone is pretty much done and conquered the galaxy in a week or two, RE is about long game, months of building and hopefully enjoying!

[@GSMonroeFolkMusic]

@@Spanj I understand what you are saying. There are abundant ways to add content and immersion to games without over complication. I actually love the added story lines, side missions and extended trade that has been added to Reforged. The biggest issue for me is how it is being balanced out. I've been on the Test Server for weeks now (Dragonmede), and as much as I try, I have been unable to leave the Starter World because of Balance issues and many of the resources that I admittedly have become dependent on in Vanilla and PE. The massive market devaluation of weaponry that I use to sell to trade for things like EVA Boosts have pretty much left me behind the curve. The ships I come to rely on no longer function effectively, and I do not have hours to devote to Creative Shipbuilding as I'm a Self Employed Businessman with only a few hours in the evening to relax with Gaming. Sure, add factions, add Storylines, add new POI's and Puzzles to solve. But please do not make things so complicated that it becomes a second full time job.

[@nedimmrsic4650]

My every ship turns out to be block shape. Im so sad cause i dont have imagination to design such good looking stuff..

[@Joshua-re8gd]

It’s a good thing dealerships are available, the hard part is choosing what model to invest in.

[@maddadplays7565]

How do we give vermillion money for all his hard work..

[@Spanj]

right here; www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_donations&business=M37M57297EQ5G&currency_code=NZD&source=url

[@maddadplays7565]

Thanks Spanj

[@nwanzer]

I think I'm going to stick with my Micro CV designs. I haven't published them because they look like crap but I'm thinking that is the way to go with the RF 1.7.

[@SempSSY]

I am of the less popular opinion of RE. While I appreciate all of the work that has been done, I feel *too much* was done. I prefer Project Eden over Reforged Eden. Project Eden acts as an expansion, Reforged Eden is Empyrion 2 with everything from the original changed, gutted, and revamped.

[@ericschaefer4512]

How much of reforged galaxy was integrared into this Eden build. I hope none.

[@Spanj]

Project Eden is separate so none!

[@lazarus3273]

The nerf to thrusters seems over the top ...

[@dirtybird2202]

I would have to do away with my Micro CV design due to the new shield restrictions alone. just no room or would have to do away with storage Have (1) 320 storage setup. And mostly standard shields and weapons. As it is with the Meta in the RE game it's now no longer a viable ship to be a small FreeLancer type of ship in RE. Now if the NPC had to play with the same restrictions...... then it would really be a balanced game lol

[@pantheis]

It's absolutely possible to have a small freelancer style ship, but it's all give and take. You can't do a one ship does everything build, or you won't be very good at any of it. Shield values, AND damage to the shields, have all changed. Different weapons are better against different things, and there's a purpose for all of them.

[@dirtybird2202]

@@pantheis This ship is already bare bones and I used it in the older scenario of Reforged Eden. There is no room to add more to the ship, without either total disarm and removal of the one storage stack it has of 320 K. It has the most basic shield that's the vanilla shield. Have upgraded it with all the General CPU tech to get it compliant. I will have to just wait till RE comes out to see for sure what i would have to change, but pretty sure now everything is going to be only suitable to the beginning system. On the other hand this will force me to have to do a complete redesign of everything. And the Devs of the game have already laid out a road map of the game with a whole slew of new updates and some new tech and NPC changes as well as our char or toon changes. Crouch was just the start of many new things they are redoing and upgrading the game for this year alone. The CV is only one item that will have to be totally refited, I have some bases a repair platform HV's SV's. This will take me months. I already have months of work invested. Guess in the least I will have to restrict all these to The Vanilla game. Have some basic designed vehicles and a Colony ship design that aren't in the game yet though I expect will take me a long time to do. I don't use symmetry and i build in survival mode of the game. I get to many problems with symmetry so I build everything from scratch and block by block. Well guess this is whats cut out for me then. Thanks for responding.

[@23GreyFox]

For real? Fuck Reforged Eden!!! With these numbers is it even worth it to build any ship at all? Is it even possible to fight later enemies without grinding for 1000 quantum cores? I don't see any reason to start a new game.

[@GSMonroeFolkMusic]

As it is working out, I will be avoiding "Reforged" and staying with Vanilla or plain Project Eden. I got my fill of Overcomplicated Steep Learning Curve games with EvE Online.

[@indigosynn1550]

Agree'd, I stopped playing 1.6 because of the endless grind and went back to vanilla. 1.7 is looking more like a spreadsheet simulator than a game.

[@fantasygraph]

learn how to build your ship with the new features, don't try to retrofit an old ship ... by the way, Quantume core are limited to 10 in the default settings of RE...

[@23GreyFox]

@@fantasygraph Even bigger NO from me. No, will not bother to even download 1.7

[@pantheis]

@@23GreyFox As with any balance change, take a fresh look and don't assume. Shield amounts, AND damage weapons do to them, have all changed. The lower shield amount base doesn't mean you're ship is going to be that much weaker than before, as weapons also do different damage to shields than before. Some weapons will basically do nothing to shields, but blast your hull apart. Others will rip your shields down, but tickle your hull. Know your enemy, and design a ship to take them out. You don't need 1000 quantum cores, ever.

[@pappapandagamer7438]

LOL and you say the same thing... teach me to comment during the video

[@cn7718]

2nd ... 👽

[@wolfshadow7428]

there all ways brakeing thing took forever to buil my first ship to get it rdy for this and now its useless

[@Spanj]

Now you get to build a new one or modify existing, building, testing, tweaking is part of the fun is it not?

[@wolfshadow7428]

@@Spanj when it take me over a month to build one tiney sv no lol

[@pappapandagamer7438]

WOOOT first comment!!

[@solospirit4212]

Why would you expect a double CPU discount from the chatty alien crew? They spend their time chatting 😁 The only thing missing in that block is the water cooler🙂

[@thirdworldrider6991]

i feel like this major design change is as bad as eleon version of CPU. its a bad design decision because it basically breaks thousands of ships/svs/hvs for reforged eden just to touch on one thing: shields. Firstly...25 blocks EACH gives you the best which everyone will need. Highest recharge and capacity. Secondly, it throws cpu off a bit but that can be compensated, just drop some guns etc...but the main problem is to builds. without those devices, shields are bad. useless. where are you going to find the room for 50 2x1x1 devices suddenly? I feel the same thing could have been achieved without such a drastic change being required to builds. those little small nimble light assault tanks, now are useless, because they have zip for shields and no room to add 50 devices to give them proper shields. anything that fundamentally changes or impacts thousands of builds should be carefully considered. how would i revamp shields given the hard coded stuff? maybe along the same lines, but rebalance the figures, so you don't need 25/25. maybe 10/10. so make the figures higher per shield capacitor/recharger. and make the block 1 square in size like a container. that way you get the shield changes in game, the cpu stats remain the same, but the PHYSICAL space required then doesn't break your builds. why 25 of each? dont know. I mean like the numbers for the boosting could be doubled. instead of 6000 per unit. make it 12k per unit with 10 max. instead of -2000 for the recharge dude...maybe -4000 or -5000. to keep the numbers the same while requiring less of the device.

[@jacobellinger8027]

how to get ready? easy; don't play it, it's dumb and you should feel dumb.