How to Get Started as Dong Zhuo | Early Game Legendary Difficulty Playbook Patch 1.7.0

[@SeriousTrivia]

A few corrections and pointers! If you are not playing on legendary then the first deal does not work as on legendary you are classified as a major threat which is actually worth 8.0 in coercion since it takes how threatening you are and turn it into diplomatic points. Another thing is the female bandit on turn 2. She turns out to be Yan Baihu's wife and a spy so you can either still hire her and get some use out of her assignment before dumping her or you can opt to go for recruitment on turn 4. The same principle of spy avoidance should be observed (willing to spy, grudge, etc) as it turns out bandits can spy from turn 1 even on low faction rank. Lastly, for those of you who do not want to play on legendary but still want the silk. I recommend to follow the similar idea of building out your economy first but then just point your first full stack at Ma Teng and Han Sui. Sure you will lose trustworthiness since the game gives you a non-aggression on turn 1, but given that you start with -39 points anyways it is not going to hurt you too much more. P.S. for players who are struggling with looters in the fringes of the map, there is nothing really you can do about it. You need a reserve army and need to be ready to lose land and retake. It is a big annoyance but it is something you can't really avoid after the introduction of the new faction council system (I mean people complained about how edge of the map was too safe so be careful what you wish for lol)

[@JulianSloman]

Sounds like you played the rest of the game - any recordings? this was so nice, wanna see how it turned out :)

[@ryxchen]

Haha indeed that girl is a spy and I learned the hard way

[@vinsonli302]

will you be doing a Dong Zhou guide for patch 1.7.1?

[@SeriousTrivia]

@@vinsonli302 there wasn’t really any major changes for that patch for Dong Zhuo?

[@evolutionx7704]

So my question is, I am using MTU cause why not.... And i actualy hate Dong Zhuo BUT i love his wife and "daughter" Dong Peisan, Dong Bai. The problem is I am one of those people who want to have a Female Faction leader apart from Zhurong and Zheng (mainly cause I got so bored of them) Therefore if I want Dong Peisan to be the leader would this work with slight adjustments? including the death by duel cause that little prick has been winning the fights and doesnt want to die... P.S. I dont know if it has to do with the fact I am female and got sick of playing as male characters or if I am just this wierd (also i stopped playing on any dificulty harder than normal in campain. I only set Battle dificulty to hard anymore if i feel its way too ridiculus mainly cause i dont have the time or the energy to overthink stuff anymore XD)

[@freddiesawyer8055]

"in the future when this gets updated" (Cries a river of tears)

[@vardaanchauhan26]

Cao Cao got some buffs Big Dong: So you have chosen death.

[@HD-fc4ds]

Big dong lol

[@voidscorpion6249]

Sacrificing Niu Fu to summon Dong Zhuo is like some sort demonic blood sacrifice. Either that or Yu-Gi-Oh. XD

[@solidspiderznake8100]

Dong Zhou: I summon my *ANCILLARY OF THE GREED* which lets me recruit two generals at once in battle

[@SeriousTrivia]

Let me know which faction you want to see next!

[@BronnBlackwater]

Dong Zhuo part 2 to see how you defeat Cao Cao on legendary with all the coalition converging on Luoyang at the same time

[@bw1678]

Liu Biao, not because I wanna play him, but rather because I feel like the new governance / imperial favor penalty make an already challenging campaign even more annoying...

[@l33tspaniard]

Kong Rong, because Huang Shao has stalk now, and it’s goddamned infuriating

[@therealcalaf]

Han Empire in the Mandate start bro. Love to see how that’ll be; it’s the only faction I’ve never tried.

[@noscompusarme]

Defo Liu Yan, 190 start min-maxing all the way to cheese! ... I mean... victory.

[@l33tspaniard]

“Grand Tutor Lu Bu, why are there lacquered wood chips all over the library?” “I DISAGREED WITH THE SCROLLS SO THEY HAD TO DIE”

[@herbertvonbismarck8303]

"................good job my son keep up the good work"

[@shirleysiu5958]

Grand Tutor Lu Bu taught the princes how to betray, not how to behave.

[@pranavjoshi4410]

Trivia: you can do the math in your head Me: Ummm, you overestimate my abilities

[@waks2001]

who else wants to see/do a dong zhuo restoring emperor run. because i would love that

[@caos950042]

Then start razing cities and killing people as the emperor.

[@Badpotaton]

My favourite series of yours returns in style, with Big Dong himself- love it!

[@vivekvishwakarma407]

Sacrifice and Summon a pretty historical way of bringing monsters to earth

[@_greenrunner_]

RP’ing as a benevolent dictator/machiavellian dong Zhuo is props the most fun campaign i have had

[@schu6647]

Great guide and it's nice to know Niu Fu's designation as sacrificial lamb hasn't changed.

[@ChalkyWhiteChalkyWhite]

Exceptional guide. Coerce is co-urse. Coercion vs. cohesion. Top tier playbook, just a word hangup.

[@kapanee]

This is my favourite series, glad theyre getting a refresh. Thanks for your insight as always!

[@Orbitalhaze]

I just got this game and your videos have been amazing help. The effort you put into describing each faction and breaking down the video have honestly saved me hours of trial and error lmao

[@edwardo8404]

dude this is great , bought the game years ago, but now i came back to it because one of your vids, damn really loved the diplomacy side of the game

[@ryannewman4412]

Wow! This is the exact video I was hoping you would make!

[@TheEastonz]

This is my favorite series for sure. Also a blessing that you started with one of my favorite factions to play as!

[@AnubhavB00B5]

Big Dong hype! Xiliang Cav is so expensive, but holding out and gobbling up the Western factions till you can steamroll the upstart Coalition members is always super fun. Also fun to snipe Hulao Pass early from Liu Dai and Park Lu Bu there for dynasty warriors vibes.

[@majestic3992]

Great idea Serious Trivia! I really enjoy your videos like this!

[@Fidel17011984]

Yuan Shao next please! His faction got so much love from devs finally. Ye Vanguard units are just plain cool for going full crossbow stacks. Just like good old Liu Chong.

[@mortenesbjoern2028]

annexing the han very early in the game was a lot of fun. multiple battles every turn, intimidation was always sky high and lu bu did have his fun

[@SeriousTrivia]

Too bad they patched it

[@chihimleung6249]

Very glad the early legendary play book series are finally back! This is my favourite!

[@sorenvongruner2592]

Thank God the tutorial series are back :)

[@mangyminotaur30]

Giving imperial favor for high intimidation made me instantly want to play Dong Zhuo but yeah I think theyll add minus imperial favor for destroying territories lol. great guide! That blood sacrifice blew my mind, honestly

[@eVeNmOrEiNsAnItY]

Really hoping for Yuan Shao next - he's changed a lot in the 190 start in terms of stuff you gotta handle.

[@wahabalrefai4987]

the most northen land and the most western land will spam looters every 4 turns full stack from faction council.... witch can be annoying however they might not come to the city but the cammandries"hence just guarding with 1 army is not possible" so once ur expanding those become a nightmare in 1.7' faction council can target 1-enemies 2-nieghbours 3-people in the edge of the map(even if friendly,allies,vassals) so when securing the enitre north west and getting all the horseys discount you will get hit by looter in an insane manner

[@SeriousTrivia]

I mean one army is enough if you don’t mind losing a county first. Like it’s a lot of fire to put out. It’s an annoyance but not a threat

[@freddiesawyer8055]

YES! I found this to be a nightmare in my Zhang Yan 200 start! When migrating to this area the looters become a nightmare

[@wahabalrefai4987]

@@SeriousTrivia 1-you lose imperial favor when retaking the city/attacking looters 2-they down grade your building 3-they mess up ur armies upkeeps via taking horses 4-re-taking=lose faction support 5-corruption 6-takes up armies slots and upkeeep and seasonal deployment ' 7-occupying can cuck block you from ranking up via prestige or block you from a reform for losing the building 8-constant sieges destory the reserves 9-might lose admin postion and take satisfaction hit 10-multiple armies full stacks can come at once so more then 1 faction council can hit you 11-the target is the 2 cities and there commandries total 5 lands moving bitween them can take turns! BRO TRY IT ITS A NIGHTMARE THIS PATCH!

[@wahabalrefai4987]

@@freddiesawyer8055 TRUE NIGHTMARE FOR MA TENG NIGHTMARE!

[@xLinksDreheRx]

@@wahabalrefai4987 Nightmare is getting hit with that upkeep increase when u got 8 full stacks and suddenly minus 20k or some shit xD

[@David196]

"As you can see, nobody in the map loves us" *Yuan Shu taking notes aggressively*

[@H0kram]

Very detailed guide. I did have to reload the campaign and tweak it, because Lu Bu somehow betrayed me right after the changes in the court. I also had to pay Ma Teng a tremendous amount of money compared to this ( between 3 and 4K+ ), which varies on each starts but, very far from the modest 160 per turn. In any case, it gives a good direction.

[@jeffreywestling9063]

Wait, so every character in the imperial court in those top 6 spots count as prime ministers?! How did I not know that...

[@Fidel17011984]

Actually the in game description of faction-wide bonus condition is quite confusing and doesn’t help to understand that.

[@moondough1279]

What really? Faction wide effects are applied through the golden framed ones? That seems broken and like an oversight tbh.

[@hasbilksar985]

@@moondough1279 only in the imperial court but yes, the game is a bit too easy

[@htutpyaesone5481]

Tips for everyone who is new and who wants to know how to beat dong zhuo , play cao cao and beat yuan shu early. Dong zhuo 's stack and li jue's stack always attack nanyang town. I got it by that way

[@danielnguyen9393]

Ah... Big bad fat Dong - Trivia favorite nightmare !!!

[@AndrejPtk]

The diplomatic action is not cohesion ;) When pronouncing coercion/coerce, drop the h. Awesome guide! Maybe farm rebels at passes till emperor becomes of age, bad public order there doesn't hurt pop growth. Looking forward to the new western Shu/Liu faction guide.

[@jamesthach2504]

Hey Serious Trivia, 1:09:34 are you ever look to report to CA about the error in Dong Zhuo's family tree he never had a Daughter name Dong Li he had at least some adopted sons by time of 190 and at least one birth son born from 171 and died in 190 he was 19 by this time and finally Dong Bai in which he had a high fondness of her. Why not ask them to replace Dong Li with Dong Bai and I understand she should not be on his his family tree because she is the granddaughter of him but they can just simply add a generic son to Dong Zhuo as her father that way she can be on his family tree and use the same way like Dong Li to be married off to gain a legendary character and she is 12 by this time.

[@SeriousTrivia]

I mean his exact family tree is a mystery. Like from Niu Fu we know he has at least one daughter. Dong Bai is probably fictional. And since they will all die in 192 I don’t think the game needs to spend too much energy to make irrelevant characters

[@tacoslayer26]

Good video as always Trivia! Cao Cao being an early target really should be for everyone at this point. His schemes can't be countered like spies at all, and they can really destroy your strategy, especially with his Retinue upkeep scheme actually possibly getting you to go into debt and forcing you to delete armies to even stay afloat! here's hoping CA makes the schemes less common or come with a counter as the updates come along.

[@DANINJAPIGEON]

I just finished a dong zhuo campaign. Throughout the game I tried to be a good boi, didn't execute anyone or raze towns. In the end I restored the emperor back on to his throne and then I executed myself (dong zhuo). Suddenly many factions were extremely happy with me and I confederated like half the map 😂

[@jordanwebb1543]

Hm interesting

[@Makofueled]

Good end

[@lolasdm6959]

You did kill Dong Zhuo thou

[@fireypicnic]

i think go ahead and get in three coercions at the start. access to better loot at the start than if you use it down the road. the lower public order helps spawn rebels and the corruption is a slice of a small pie.

[@ElSayyidCampeador]

love these guides your make, always plenty of information and more than just covering the fundamentals. I'd love to see a Lu Zhi, Shamoke, or Lu bu guide personally

[@martinpalmiano4839]

im literally trying out dong zhuo right now. ST got some magic

[@axin9183]

Total War: Three Kingdoms is a perfectly balanced game with no exploits St: I Dong give a damn. Anyhow, great guide after patches!

[@MkZuO12345]

Yuan Shu going down first and rushing down Cao Cao, sounds like my Liu Chong game plan ;P Unfortunetly in my 1.7 playthrough my alliance mate Liu Bei (that big-eared villain) vassalized him before I coul finish him off...that's what you get when you count on relatives :p

[@krissuyx]

Great stuff as usual. Also, I have another thing to report. :P I'm playing as Liu Bei on the new start date. It's the harvest of 200 and I've just recieved an event... "Your advisor approaches you with an opportunity to the south. "No doubt *Sun Quan* will look upon you favourably should you choose to deal with Chen Deng..." The wording of this leads me to believe that there was meant to be a scripted event for Sun Ce's death but it's not working(or it's rare). Either that or it's a mistake in the writing.

[@ouziqi198]

God Dong Zhuo must be one of the best faction for pokemon play! He has three unique characters with perceptive! Jia Xu, Li Ru, and Diao Chan

[@shunyuanliang4397]

Liu Chong might be nice. Sandwiched between powerhouses in the 190 campaign.

[@modestflamingo7272]

I found this interesting game called land of war the beginning they thus dropped their trailer. You play as a Polish soldier against the Germans in ww2 thought you might like it .

[@SeriousTrivia]

I don’t play a lot of FPS anymore aside from playing PUBG with some of my friends so I don’t think I will going to play this but it looks good

[@GamingIsForKids]

Great guide, I see you mentioned the coercion on the Han for money but don't remember seeing the example, might just be me mostly listening while I play

[@SeriousTrivia]

we didn't have any left to show, but usually when you are about to overflow, just talk to the Han. Ask for cash and trade an coercion for it

[@GamingIsForKids]

@@SeriousTrivia thank you and you can have a (?❤️) back :)

[@plopyxX]

you should fight the rebels manually and duel them if the item is not so good, to get max exp for your generals

[@DirkLasermaster]

im not good at the game, but i have 500 hours in TW3k, and this is my 3rd view of this tutorial, and I JUST found out about the instant build button :')

[@caocalo2485]

Never played Dong Zhuo before but maybe this give me desire to do that soon ;)

[@saibala9399]

I love❤ Big Dong....

[@GamingIsForKids]

I heard that too

[@vasilioskotrotsos6372]

@Serious Trivia Attention!!!!! the sentinel we first recruited (bandit) was just extracted as a spy by the enemy in my campaign :( :( :( She wasn't unhappy (47) she was low hp ( though I think that was irrelevant) Happened Harvest 193 just when I was on to eliminating Yuan Shus faction.

[@vasilioskotrotsos6372]

She's actually married to Yan Baihu!!! I realised when I hovered her portrait over the Grand Commandant position I wonder if I give her title + Grand Commandant if she will be so happy that she might ditch him from spying.... Or what other option do we have? I have a screenshot showing her in court before I appoint Grand Commandant while checking also satisfaction etc. She has shaman item too >:( If there is nothing to do I might strip her and bring my faithful ol buddy Zhang Liao to my doom stack

[@aelling1988]

Fantastic guide, thank you

[@Kain40]

Hope for an updated video for Cao Cao

[@ИльяДеревянко-ъ3р]

Somehow managed to get Sun Ce as turncoat. Now i have the furiest cav in game with xiliang and other unique generals adding damage for shock cav. That’s crazy

[@vivekvishwakarma407]

Nice

[@michaelren9802]

When I coerced Ma Teng on very hard difficulty turn one for the silk, it only gave me around 18 points. Did they patch it?

[@SeriousTrivia]

No it’s because of difficulty. On legendary every factions starts by viewing you as a major threat and coercion is based on how threatening you are so here it is actually easier on legendary in terms of getting good coercion’s

[@arbiter7x]

you can give the sky piercer to niu fu to make him unbreakable, in the event that you can't get a duel you can just have him stand under a tower until he's dead

[@JoeNguyen9x]

In the game, I actually coerced all food sources from the faction that I am about to kill and since they will be under pressure, I then vassalise and annex

[@SeriousTrivia]

Sounds strategy

[@HD-fc4ds]

Enjoyed this one, Gong Du yellow turban next?😊

[@rizalalbar]

my god, ST have unleashed the Big Dong and he's going to dominate them all... wait, that came out wrong.

[@shunyuanliang4397]

Li Jue cant be seen cos big Dong took up too much space in the portrait. I mean look at him, the other 4 literally have to squeeze to fit in.

[@fireypicnic]

wen janquin is a spy. i believe she is married to yan baihu. kept a close eye on satisfaction throughout. she absconded with much loot in my playthrough after we beat up yuan shu a bit.

[@charliemosley8025]

funny thing about Li Ru - I got him in my Cao Cao play through today as a turncoat, and instead of cowardly he had brilliant! I’m wondering if this might mean that the AI can use the faction council mission to change bad traits

[@SeriousTrivia]

Most likely

[@nguyenminh8592]

Hello Trivia I have a very wierd/bug experience while playing Ma Teng. I wanted to restore the Han empire as a governor, but once I got to King, Emperor Xie token disappears from the map, and the option to give the throne to Emporer Xie is gone. There spawn 3 emperor seats, but none of them is Emperor Xie. I hope you can report it to CA so that we all can have an experience in restoring the Han as the loyal governor :)))

[@SeriousTrivia]

already reported

[@nashiffuadkhan9817]

Why did you recruit Ji Swordgaurds when you ranked them the lowest in unit tier list? Did you do it for the formations? Timestamp: 1:03:30

[@SeriousTrivia]

lowest because sabre infantry exists but since we don't have the reform to unlock sabre thus by comparison jian swordguard would be the best choice here. It only got a F rank because Sabre does everything Jian does better and cheaper.

[@kapanee]

In my campaigns, Yuan Shu sailed straight for the Trade Port, completely ignoring the gate pass. I was unprepared for this and lost it due to the settlement garrison being at half strength since upgrading.

[@SeriousTrivia]

I say again...ignore that gate pass and just defend at the trade port

[@omarjaafar2961]

What happens to dong zhou sword after he dies of old age does it go into the poll

[@SeriousTrivia]

you keep it and can equip it to anyone you want

[@omarjaafar2961]

@@SeriousTrivia so for example i assign the sword to character can you unequip the sword from said character since you cant remove the sword dong zhou

[@SeriousTrivia]

you can equip to anyone after Dong Zhuo dies

[@Potatoes85858]

Don't bandits get a spy position because they are bandits? Maybe I'm remembering it wrong.

[@deanrichards6247]

Could u make a video where u go through who the best leaders are (ie who gives the best bonuses as a faction leader) as well as who the best heroes r to use in court?

[@SeriousTrivia]

tier lists are a work in progress

[@raynaldoandhika6836]

Your approaches is impressive, and i literally forgot to abuse rebellion mechanic to increase Dong Zhuo's unique resource. I want to try it but kinda have some problems in early game stage on my previous run. 1. Dong Zhuo starting location had so many gates that increased his upkeep 2. Yuan Shu's aggresiveness to attack Luo Yang's County 3. Ma Teng and Han Sui's sudden alliances 4. Gong Du I still in dilemma whether i should hold Chang An and those gates or just conquer Ma Teng and Han Sui and then start fresh from there? Thank you so much, i hate Dong Zhuo but i want to play the bad guy.

[@ardiessadida5146]

- Don't actually take Luoyang city, focus your defences on around Luoyang trade port by having a full stack of army in ambush stance, make sure the garrisoned troops could reinforce you when ambush triggered... watch how mountain of enemy corpses pile up one after another XD - NEVER expand to the east. Try to conquer the entire northwest region before you ascend the throne; Shuofang, Jincheng, Wudu, Chang'an and Hanzhong could help you to get enormous amount of money to build your forces. although the food is a bit scarce, but i have never really had a major issue with this - raze commanderies when necessary, i personally find this really useful to slowdown your enemy's advance... although the diplomatic penalty kinda hurt but hey you're the cruel tyrant, everyone will hate you anyway - abuse Lu Bu, make him work to the bone - iirc Ma Teng and Gong Du can't coexist... either one of them will get destroyed, all you need to do is wait for opportunity before sacking them both

[@raynaldoandhika6836]

@@ardiessadida5146 I took a little different approach in my Dong Zhuo's campaign. I destroyed small faction in west such as Han Sui, Ma Teng and Gong du. I gave up in Luo Yang for a while, for some reason The Pass gave me a little time to conquer west before faction in the east try to attack me. Then i took the coward move, cooperate with Liu Bao to cease fire with all Faction for a while, then i prepare myself to war with Bandits and Yuan Shao. After that it's pretty easy xD I actually never use raze commanderies in my campaign, probably gonna try it later in another campaign

[@ardiessadida5146]

@@raynaldoandhika6836 all is fair in love and war buddy :) i mean there are too many conflicts in central China + all the warlords wants your head, your best decision is stay away some tips regarding raze: since i love to expand south to riverland, i always make sure to raze nearest territory from my gateway of defense, like Luoyang/Xindu... unless you're roleplaying Dong Zhuo whole heartedly, don't use it too often

[@frogyert6633]

maybe a yuan shao early game playbook?

[@kissblade8587]

So ... Dong Zhou is about ruling his lands so poorly and killing the rebellions that stand up to steal their lunch money and intimidate people from your bullying .

[@SeriousTrivia]

That sums it up

[@KevinMacku]

Always down to see some DONNY Z.

[@Aahe42]

I was wondering does the farm rebellion hurt population too much? I know population had less of an effect on release but now doesn't it effected economy and mustering/replenishment? I remember doing the rebellion farming in MOH but released all my places were hitting 0 in population I know you can counter it with buildings, and now faction council but wondering if there some sort of balance between farming rebellions and population.

[@SeriousTrivia]

So the maximum of population damage you can have from public order is -12K per county. With the new faction council proposals and a good administer it is something that is pretty easy to overcome actually

[@bjarnejansen]

Hey, just wanted to say Wen Juanqin was a spy in my game (for Yan Baihu)

[@SeriousTrivia]

oh dear! then I take it back (but still recruit her and give her a title to get her satisfaction to 100 so she will defect)

[@xLinksDreheRx]

ok uhm so that sentinel fugitive officer u said couldnt be a spy . well winter 193 and she just was extracted x)

[@SeriousTrivia]

Once again, please read the pinned comment

[@Chiefkeyboard]

Does han sui release vassels in this patch as han suis daughter had a faction in my game and his son had one in your cao cao lets play. Liu cong took over after they died when not on family tree. I think han sui will be flc for northern expansion so maybe he has a vassel mechanic and its doing it now for some reason.

[@SeriousTrivia]

those look like civil war factions actually

[@Chiefkeyboard]

@@SeriousTrivia ah that makes sense. If this happens consistently this could make campaigns in the west very easy.

[@usWayne]

Thax!

[@johnheaphey4307]

hey serious just a question does administrators need to be off the map to apply the bonuses to the regions or can i put them into an army

[@SeriousTrivia]

They don’t need to be off the map. If they are in an army the only thing you miss out on is them being in the commandery as a defensive garrison

[@acousticoutlaw8607]

Is there any way you can review the Radious total war mod for three kingdoms? It's super popular and adds lots of new units and mechanics and id love to see you talk about it!

[@SeriousTrivia]

Maybe in a few let's plays when I have experienced all the new stuff from the patch first

[@acousticoutlaw8607]

@@SeriousTrivia Awesome!

[@Matt-yz5hb]

When I use coerce on Ma Teng it only gives 18.5 not 26.5 so I can't trade the territory

[@SeriousTrivia]

Because you are not playing on legendary since coercion takes viewed as a major threat and turns it into a positive eight points so for once it’s actually easier on legendary

[@Matt-yz5hb]

@@SeriousTrivia Oh that makes sense thanks for the reply!

[@mirohell]

Hi Serious Trivia, I really enjoy your videos. but what about record mode. Witch is much better in battles (in my opinion). thanks.

[@SeriousTrivia]

So I don’t really play records mode...

[@mirohell]

@@SeriousTrivia Sure, worth to try, both. In record forget to take settlement with single LuBu :D

[@deplatformedcrowprinceluna6339]

Here is a way for Dong Zhuo mains to keep Lü Bu loyal: Let Lü Bu have Diao Chan.

[@yongcz30]

rip my wenjuan jin (sentinel) i recruited, got extracted by the enemy right after I was marching towards yuan shu..... :(( . I even promoted her to grand tutor before she was even extracted by enemy

[@lujoviste]

Is Gao Shun missing?

[@SeriousTrivia]

I mean he was never in the 190 roster before so he isn’t really missing

[@maxbenjim2243]

Any reason why you wouldn't trade for 3rd Silk in Jincheng with Han Sui?

[@SeriousTrivia]

The value is too much to be worth. You would have to give up too much

[@maxbenjim2243]

@@SeriousTrivia Thank you! Will target that as a later deal when my economy and security are stable.

[@wave531]

I wonder if Han Sui will become a FLC lord in the future. I hope so. :D

[@SeriousTrivia]

I would think so!

[@rudyg200887]

Hi I feel that night battle is really broken in this new patch because of the chain routing what do you think?

[@SeriousTrivia]

I mean the new morale changes is really about fatigue. Night battle really never changed. Now basically if you have night battle (-15), make the enemy exhaust (-12), fire (-10), arrows (-4), and a roar (-18), there is no chance for the enemy and that is not factoring in any damage or scare but the biggest change is the -12 from exhaustion which means if you catch an enemy army on march (they start at tired) they are doomed

[@rudyg200887]

Yes that is true night battle did do that be for i just feel chain routing adds to all that power especially in the early game with a bunch of militia oh and I noticed since I've been playing the new patch the AI started not recruiting as many archers

[@joerenaldy7558]

Do you have any mods installed during the recording?

[@SeriousTrivia]

nope all guides are mod free

[@joerenaldy7558]

@@SeriousTrivia do you know how to add blood to the visuals just like what you had in here?

[@SeriousTrivia]

That’s a DLC

[@lingbingzheng8127]

Master Trivia, 我它马MB了啊，is Liu Dai blood related to the Han ancestors?

[@SeriousTrivia]

yes he is

[@mortenesbjoern2028]

Are the White Walkers coming to China. How long will the winter last. Do you have enough food stockpiled haha

[@Handle-OG1]

I’ve had several attempts at replicating this and the first coerce against Ma Teng to score the Silk Trader seems to only be worth 18.5 which makes the deal impossible. Even with offering more money per turn than the silk trader actually gives you and issuing an ultimatum on top. Anyone else found this and understand why it might be so different?

[@SeriousTrivia]

It is because you are not playing on legendary which makes you an major threat to all factions at the start and since coercion is based on how threatening you are that turns into 8 more points

[@Handle-OG1]

@@SeriousTrivia You’re right I’m on Very Hard not legendary. I see, so something that’s designed to make the game harder in legendary by reducing your diplomacy is actually a benefit to Dong Zhuo when coercing because he’s more threatening. I like it! Thanks very much for taking the time to explain.

[@leeweiyi2922]

quick question idk why when i try coerce ma teng i do not have the 8.0 of you are a major threat to us

[@SeriousTrivia]

Because you are not playing on legendary difficult which for once turns a negative to a positive as coercion is based on how threatening you are

[@leeweiyi2922]

Ohhh

[@a_goblin22]

The Uge dong is here

[@silverduck7979]

will you start a campain as dong zhuo?

[@SeriousTrivia]

no these are early game guides not full let's plays

[@rahmangandomi1017]

Actually that scare faction wide is only for your generals and not for units,I don't know is it a bug or something?!😟

[@kobalzer]

Thank you for opening up with Dong Zhuo! Looking forward to more amazing videos from you. Got to say, you definitely don't get enough exposure for how amazing your work is. It's relaxing to listen to your relaxing presentation when especially backed by the historical knowledge and thorough but easy to understand explanations. I am a history nerd but never really knew much about the Chinese history. This game was amazing due to the art design and mechanics but I couldn't quite get into it until I watched the Three Kingdoms TV show - which was the bomb. The game became increasingly interesting and I am at over 1.1k hours and climbing 😂 I know you don't really utilize mods and try to min-max game features but have you thought about the Make Them Unique mod? A lot of bland characters got reworked with beautiful art, 3D models, and some even with unique weapons. Can't play without it now haha and it definitely increases my attachment to those characters. You should give it a go!!! Thanks again for all the content!!! Keep up the amazing work!!!

[@SeriousTrivia]

I have played one full campaign with MTU (Yuan Shu)

[@kobalzer]

@@SeriousTrivia what did you think about it?

[@SeriousTrivia]

its alright but I tend to prefer mod-less experience just so I can spot issues and try to report them so they get fixed in the future

[@tonastytogrimey3888]

Is it possible to have lu bu kill dong zhou and become the faction leader?

[@SeriousTrivia]

you would have to adopt him then trigger the diao chan event to get yourself killed (I see no benefit to this by the way)

[@tonastytogrimey3888]

@@SeriousTriviaI’ll have to try it out

[@beautifulchlorophyll2285]

it's not that he thinks you're respectable, it's that coercion works better with a lower respect rating, so you get an extra few points if you're treacherous - there's also nothing wrong with stealing everyones ancillaries on turn 1 with dong zhuo with regular payment promises then immediately breaking them cause you're already treacherous and if we're razing shit we aren't gonna get respected.

[@TheWernherVBraun]

I tried to coerce ma teng but coerce is only worth 18.8 on normal

[@SeriousTrivia]

Please read the pinned comment

[@TheWernherVBraun]

@@SeriousTrivia I ended up trading some silver weapons I didn’t think I needed to get the trade deal and none of the non hostile factions had any faction wide bonus items. So I just used the 2nd coerce on the Han empire for more income per turn.