How To Get The Chris Lord-Alge Snare Sound

[@elimontoya8626]

The fact that you only have 6.5k subscribers is criminal. I'm new, but already a huge fan. Love your stuff. Keep it up. My magic 8 ball tells me you'll have subs coming out your rear before too long.

[@jghillstudio1857]

Back in the day, we would take an old tv and put it on a snowy screen. Record the tv sound and add it to the snare mix. Haha! Great video man! Keep pounding!

[@BobbyHuff]

Yes! White noise is great for snare!! Great comment!

[@DanielPestanaTranslations]

I just tried it and my snare got from cool to incredible with this tip, but mine at 7K. My reverb snare “sample” trigger is a real snare hit from the recorded kit. 7K also. I always tell the drummer to hit single notes at the end of the session. Thank you so much. Amazing man.

[@DavidDiMuzio]

So many great lessons! I definitely wouldn’t have thought it a go-to to boost that much 8K on kick and snare 🧐🤘🏻

[@BobbyHuff]

Try that and try 5K too!

[@shawnphase]

@@BobbyHuff i find 5k is the sweet spot for sure. you get enough of that 'knock' of it without it getting into the wash of bigger cymbals. theres a lot you can do with parametric eqing with the snare and the kick that you end up gettin lost in the mix, heh! great vid bob.

[@BobbyHuff]

@@shawnphase agreed! 5k is also a great one Shawn.

[@asawiggins]

Just used the 8k ssl boost on kick. 👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼 Nice. Didn’t realize a tight Q like that would work. Ya done it again, Dr. Bob!

[@BobbyHuff]

Thanks Asa! It’ll poke ur drums right through!

[@shtdapuck]

Boosting 8k is pretty common when EQing a snare. It’s how Chris treats the room mics and compliments with samples which adds a lot to his sound. If you listen to a lot of his mixes you’ll find it really varies from song to song and even verse to chorus. That’s the real CLA magic. It’s definitely not one size fits all.

[@BobbyHuff]

TOTALLY AGREE!!!!!

[@toddscotdrumcovers2341]

This is brilliant. “Carving” makes sense now.

[@dodo13500]

Such a great sound before adding anything!

[@michaelciancetta6397]

my thought exactly.. and then it all depends on the mix context.. I think these people are overthinking a lot ahahahahah

[@richprincipe749]

Another fantastic video... thank you!!

[@BobbyHuff]

Thanks my friend!

[@kaiulrich6185]

I was surprised how isolated the snare sounded. I would have expected that 8 k boost to increase the bleed of the hi hat by a great deal.

[@BobbyHuff]

Me too Kai! Its a great technique! Glad you found it useful!

[@rockboy360]

what I usually do when there's too much hi hat in the snare is that I put a snare sample from the same session underneath and boost all the top end I need from there.

[@BobbyHuff]

@@rockboy360 nothing wrong with that!

[@ccgbassandmore3]

@@BobbyHuff Actually, it's very problematic. What would you do?

[@jacepawlak]

Chris Lord-Alge! Oh man... I can't tell how I feel that someone who digs all the same shit I do has a grey beard. Are we this old?! Balls!

[@BobbyHuff]

Yes I used to be the youngest guy in the session!!! Hahaha

[@konstantingubanov4687]

CLA does not use reverb on direct mics...

[@BobbyHuff]

Yes and no. I’ve seen it both ways. .

[@amado5490]

Probably not the snare top, as you want the pop out of it. The bottom mic though, you can get nice things out of applying some reverb to it, I'd say.

[@BobbyHuff]

@@amado5490 I’ve seen him do it every way possible!

[@dreamix2007]

A bit simplified perhaps hehe... there is also drumbus comp w eq.. neve comp on snare... a second channel where he sends both kick and snare to boost even further... plus he NEVER puts reverb on snare close mic... only bottom and samples rooms etc etc :)

[@musicdude1540]

You're so, so boring.

[@dreamix2007]

@@musicdude1540 lol ye :)

[@johnhicks8073]

thanks for this one Doc , outstanding content

[@jettjaguar8150]

thanks .... really appreciate the outstanding content , fun to bring things up and apply

[@BobbyHuff]

Thanks for watching Jett! I appreciate it!

[@nolanneal]

Great stuff brother!!!! So happy I found you online!

[@beaumaloe]

Great tip! Thank you

[@HuffwareStudio]

🔊🎶 Great content as always Dr.Huff..😷

[@BobbyHuff]

Thanks Huffware! Are we related?

[@HuffwareStudio]

Not sure, but was recommended your channel by KZbin and after seeing your name I new you had to be talented because your a Huff... I'm from the mountains of of south eastern ky. Harlan Co. to be exact....

[@BobbyHuff]

@@HuffwareStudio okay cool! Thanks for watching!!!

[@tonyadams6985]

Nice! thanks!

[@adammurdock4319]

Liked the video. It’s all about that 8k. Is that Sony reverb kinda like a non linear reverb? I get 80s snare vibes kinda which I associate with gated reverbs and non linear reverbs.

[@BobbyHuff]

There maybe a non linear setting in the DRE 2000 but he uses it more for the room/reverb sound. When those guys use the non linear verb it’s usually the AMS.

[@BrianWalis-Producer]

Love the channel, just a quick question on this, were those eq boosts exaggerated so we can hear it over youtube or are those actually how hard you would hit those boosts to get this sound?

[@BobbyHuff]

Possibly but in a dense mix it may take that much. Your ears will tell you Brian. Great question!

[@geoffpeters5802]

@@BobbyHuff nope noone should ever fuckn boost a snare that much. its not right. not with a cubase stock eq. ffs

[@NikolajChristensen]

CLA dials in ALL of the 8k knob on the SSL regularly.

[@southdank3190]

@@geoffpeters5802 who are u the boosting police?🤣

[@toddscotdrumcovers2341]

AHHH you answered the Q question and here is the 8K boost trick ;)

[@BernyDiazM]

Brilliant, just brilliant. Thanks dude. Quick question: Can we get the snare sample as a WAV file on a link? The YT compresion is a PITA (it chops off everything above 15khz) :(

[@BobbyHuff]

Thanks Benny. I appreciate it. Yes give me a second on the link. I will post it in the comments when it’s available.

[@nickybarbato8811]

thank you doctor

[@BobbyHuff]

Thanks for watching Nicky!

[@jjm9741]

great enjoyed it and a new subscriber /fan funny too. Request: Bobby Can you please give us a link to download the Snare since the audio has hiss present and is degraded. Thanks

[@BobbyHuff]

yes let me figure out the best way to do this.

[@jjm9741]

@@BobbyHuff Awesome thank you so much for the hair i mean snare!! :D

[@BobbyHuff]

@@jjm9741 hahahaha!!! Love it!!!!

[@joelonsdale]

I'm not hearing any hats on that snare recording. It's it a sample your working on?

[@Venomforyall]

On his SSL console the Q is way wider than that. and he uses shelf a lot of the time.

[@toddscotdrumcovers2341]

Did you do any drum lining up? Or was that 100% locked in from when you played it?

[@BobbyHuff]

no lining up!

[@multoc]

The snare is a sample anyway

[@markbeling3330]

Brilliant. How did you manage to get the hat bleed out of your snare so much Bobby?

[@GreenDayIsOver9000]

Probably from recording shells and overheads separate from each other

[@toddscotdrumcovers2341]

What are you using for EQ? It doesnt look like a plugin.

[@BobbyHuff]

That's just the Cubase Channel Strip.

[@southdank3190]

Chris bold-Alge🤣

[@atreyfall3812]

Does he allways use a bell or he uses a shelf? I usually add a little boost at 3k combined to a high boost at 8k, it makes it more agresive. What about overheads and rooms? I´m little bit insecure with these. Videos like this are really helpfull so thank you for this!

[@BobbyHuff]

Thanks man. I’m not sure about the overheads and rooms but I know he likes to boost low end in the overheads…maybe around 100hz…anyone out there know if that’s correct?? I pretty sure it is.

[@atreyfall3812]

@@BobbyHuff For what i have seen he does a boost 60hz in the overheads and something similar in the rooms,. He does a 100hz boost in the snare. The logic that i see behind it is thatthose frecuencies add expansion and those are the frecuencies that you hear when the sound is far away of yourself so it extends the room. There is a spanish channel that shows what CLA does with slate digital plugins. I have seen on his presets of some plugins that sometimes he bost something at mid- high or high range so that´s what i don´t understand. Maybe you don´t understand spanish but you can see the settings on plugins.There is the spanish channel showing some of CLA´s techniques: kzbin.info/www/bejne/l6iaZa1-h8lph7M

[@paranoizehfx]

I'll try 8k ! I know Scheps like 5k and I sometimes get a lot out of the 10k on Pultecs

[@RolandDeschain1]

You can get away with those 8k EQ boosts with the SSL because it won't crap out on you.

[@BobbyHuff]

AGREEED!

[@1flashstep]

im sure its a high shelf that he uses not a bell

[@simonslee73]

Next up… the Brendan O’Brien piccolo snare sound of the 90s!

[@shellshockmultimedia]

What is that snare that you recorded? And with what mic? It sounds incredible as is.

[@BobbyHuff]

Hey that is a 5.5 x 14 Black Beauty with a 57 on the top side snare, a 414 on the bottom, and stereo room mics. Thanks for watching Ryan!

[@kodykindhart5644]

Exactly how we do Unidyne on top tho

[@ReckerRocks]

OK ....so I like what you did with the 8K boost....but doesn't that fly in the face of everything we learned about getting the *best* sound from the mic and the source????? My current motto is..."do what you need to do to get the sound you want".....but I guess I am just saying...if you have to change the EQ that drastically, shouldn't the source or mic be changed?

[@TwoSouls-productions]

8 KKKKK He loves that !!!!

[@toddscotdrumcovers2341]

How did you know the bottom mic is in the 4K range?

[@RemcoJvGrevenbroek]

You forgot the blue stripe 1176

[@BobbyHuff]

You are correct! I actually printed that snare with the CLA 1176 blue stripe!! Should’ve mentioned it. Also CLA claims to never put reverb on the direct snare mic but I’m not sure that’s 100 percent of the time... maybe it is. In this video I did that and I feel like I got the essence of his sound. Thanks for watching Remco

[@JulianFernandez]

thanks¡¡¡

[@AllenPendleton]

Sounds like a d112 in the kick.

[@BobbyHuff]

correct!

[@jonnuanez2843]

What size room does he use to record drums in? What materials are the walls and floor? Or does that matter with him?

[@BobbyHuff]

He hardly ever records the drums he mostly just mixes.

[@jonnuanez2843]

@@BobbyHuff Got you. Though he needs to make sure it was recorded right cause you know well that mixes can only do so much with a bad recording. I'll check out his mix list to see who he's worked with. Thanks.

[@BobbyHuff]

@@jonnuanez2843 Hes worked with EVEEEEEEEERYONE!!!!!!!

[@Rhuggins]

What DAW is this?

[@BobbyHuff]

Cubase

[@theopinson3851]

Those are live drums?

[@spencerneal]

Right??!!

[@butterfatmastermind2738]

How did you keep that open high-hat out of your snare track? My biggest obstacle to boosting 8K is always high-hat bleed.

[@BobbyHuff]

Very tough to do if the recording is bad. You can add a snare sample or try to find a good sample of the actual snare in the track without the hat bleed and that as a sample.

[@butterfatmastermind2738]

@@BobbyHuff Your snare track in the video is so clean. Do you do anything special when recording to limit high-hat bleed?

[@BobbyHuff]

@@butterfatmastermind2738 aaahh! In this video the hi hat was overdubbed! Ha.

[@butterfatmastermind2738]

@@BobbyHuff Got it. That makes sense. I was like damn that snare is clean! BTW, I usually grab a clean sample or find a nice premade one to bolster the sound as you suggested but I prefer to use the original track if I can. Thanks a ton for the responses! Love your videos!

[@BobbyHuff]

@@butterfatmastermind2738 thanks Steve

[@thejoshuatree03]

this really isn’t it. He often does a bell at 5k which the SSL bell is a rather wide Q. When he refers to boosting 8k a lot of the time he is just diming the shelf at 8k. Either of those boosts doesn’t look anything the EQ you’ve got going here. You should have just kept the SSL channel up if you wanted to get a bit closer. He also like to add in some 1k and 3k and a ton of 100. But yea essentially he just uses his ears and has a fantastic ear for it and that’s really the only secret.

[@BobbyHuff]

Watched him do it in a mix on one of my songs brother...

[@thejoshuatree03]

@@BobbyHuff He pulled up a parametric EQ on his SSL console? Even if he did do that particular EQ one time it doesn't make it "his" sound. I've seen just about every mix available from him and I've yet to see him do anything with a narrow Q on top end. Like another person stated too, he doesn't typically use verb on the close mic snare, usually sends from the snare sample or room mics, cymbals etc. I'd say a lot more of his snare sound comes down to distorting the SSL console and the SSL compressor and then a lot of his snap comes from the sample blended underneath, or an ambient sample. This is just very click-baity.

[@BobbyHuff]

@@thejoshuatree03 He uses plugins too. Have you ever been in the room with him? Have you ever had him mix one of your songs? I’m not trying to pick a fight Josh but your talking with someone that has. Now... I’m sure he does CLOSE to the same thing on every song but not the EXACT same thing on every song. He gets different tracks in from all over the place and has to make mix adjustments based on the tracks...perhaps he has done everything that we’ve mentioned and more but I am sharing the experience I’ve had and that’s as close to the truth that I can get..

[@roynichol3751]

@@BobbyHuff apparently there are some people that watch way too many CLA tutorials ! Thanks Bob for all the info on your channel especially the CLA and Mutt Lange insights!

[@BobbyHuff]

@@roynichol3751 thanks for your kindness and for watching Roy!

[@AudioReplica2023]

It doesn't sounds like cla to me

[@toddscotdrumcovers2341]

“SSL” channel strip?????

[@BobbyHuff]

Waves has a brilliant one. Also their Bus Compressor.

[@AlmaRockeraOficial]

50% of CLA Snare sound comes from his samples

[@BobbyHuff]

Yeah I would agree.

[@thejoshuatree03]

hardly

[@ytnsanw]

Windows 7 in 2020?...

[@BobbyHuff]

hahaha! yes. i have other computers on 10 but this one is how I make my living and ROCK SOLID.

[@assshakerstudios549]

Don't forget to take off that top to the verb at around 8-12k if you've got too much sizzle in your mix! That's Post reverb eq moves so that your only eq'ing your reverb tail basically! Very important newbies don't use pre eq as that'll fuck everyting up,,,ya man!

[@BobbyHuff]

Good stuff!!