HOW TO GET YOUR TRACKS AS LOUD AS THE EDM PROS - technique of David Guetta, Martin Garrix, Kygo

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[@Thastor]

This was one of your most intresting videos uve ever done! good job Jon ! :) More like this! I Would be very much intrested in what the mastering engineer said about Kygos tracks, Especially the new ones are super Crisp, amazing clear mix, amazing strong silky low end and still loud and feel good and big in club speaker and home speaker

[@Zmarz]

Jon, it's funny how every time I'm looking for something, instantly a tutorial from you pops up on youtube.

[@Jonsine]

+Zmarz hahah taking over youtube

[@amirsharar8547]

I just tried it on a track and went from -10 RMS to -17RMS and was able to limit it all a bit more but I was also able to turn up the volume on the kick. So the end result is louder, sounding a bit more balanced (which I previously tried to achieve by reducing the bass synth's low end impact), and the kick "feels" like it has the same ~60Hz (where my kick was tuned to) oomph. Since it's a 90's style Eurodance song I don't plan to limit the hell out of it for volume, but the end result is still pretty fantastic. Thanks Jon!! (I still have to add a rapping portion to my 90's Eurodance bit so everyone wish me luck on that, LOL)

[@Jonsine]

hey amir glad this helped you out. cheers

[@YehudaSamson]

Things are changing big time regarding loudness!! Spotify, iTunes use LUFS (Loudness Unit full scale) to measure perceived loudness. Spotify uses -14 Lufs. That means that everything above it will get played softer to match the Lufs. But because of this the tracks will sound weaker. Mix with more dynamics. You will sound fuller and better. So when sending music to online services like KZbin/Spotify/Itunes check LUFS and not rms.

[@RioOlio]

Wow this is a really good tips. Thank you for sharing this one Jon :)

[@Jonsine]

your welcome :)

[@addycomposer9492]

Thanks a lot Jon, I happened to see this video just on time. I have been hitting my head against the wall to understand why I cannot make my track louder, thanks for a life saver tip!

[@Jonsine]

your welcome hope it helps

[@chrislineau9409]

Hey Jon, thanks for the tip with the eqing of the fundamental of kick and bass by 2 or 3 db. would you also recommend that for a club track or is this only for the radio?

[@Jonsine]

try it out. if you feel your track is to quit go for it but in general would reduce kick and bass to much for club tracks

[@mkap766]

Amazing tutorial man, it was very helpful.

[@Jonsine]

thank you :)

[@TheKruum]

Something that i do that also really helps is by sidechaning the exact kick to the bass. It allows you to keep both at a balance while prioritizing your kicks thump with the lasting power of the bass.

[@adrianconsta1139]

The trick from the mastering engineer sounds cool, can't wait to test it for myself! Thank you very much for sharing that with us, Jon! Keep up all that good work! :)

[@rubikbg]

If you want your loud tracks to sound clean do this -- maximize each channel to make the most of dynamic and frequency range, take care of excessive dynamic differences, eq-ing unimportant frequencies out. Do it with measure so you still like what you hear. Big problem are peaks which you can't actually hear therefore learn to use an oscilloscope like Smexoscope while adjusting your sound with a transient shaper or a compressor. Take care!

[@andres13jc]

My tracks are going to be WAY PHADDER after this vid, thanks man. #notificationsquad

[@ezzeldeenmostafa1779]

Hey man i watch all of your daily vlogs and i love you so much and i learned alot of stuff from you you are a real pro and i wish good all the good luck and keep it up

[@Jonsine]

thank you :)

[@slendr2435]

really good tips the balance is actually the most important thing in mixing tracks

[@riverkelly3025]

this is very helpful ! thanks man :) I'm really at the stage where I need to get good at mixing my own tracks because it's slowing down my progress when I can't hear the final product ahah but these videos are helping :) I'm gonna watch some more on mixing !

[@Stormgnome]

You could also use more than just one limiter and one compressor on your master. Having two (or more) doing a little compression/limiting is usually a better option, unless you're in for that distorted sound.

[@Jonsine]

yes definitely my chain was just wick to here the track limited taking the master chain off anyways before sending it to the mastering guy

[@theyellowone]

thanks Jon. Very useful. Btw. I Have the same map on my wall ;D. Greetings from Iserlohn.

[@weslaycock466]

Thanks Jon this is fantastic education. Beyond me how you pull this off daily. Oy fooking legend!

[@fivecircles]

Thank you for your vlogs, you do good job!

[@ialwaysstartwiththemelody4828]

Thanks for the video jon really enjoyed it ;)

[@Forge88]

Recently subscribed on your channel, thanks a lot for your videos every is very helpful and so interesting to listen to you instead of other vlogs about producing. Just one question at this moment what the juicy sound on 4:20? Thanks a lot!

[@hmmm6265]

When you said that 0 db is the limit, were you talking about the master alone or also about the individual tracks?

[@florianstephan5745]

Danke Jon, werde es mal ausprobieren...Grüße...ach ja, mit dem gesunden Essen wars dann bei Kinderschokolade und Hambuger auch wieder schnell vorbei ;-)

[@sebberin4501]

Wait, are you mixing with the limiter on? Or just for testing rms?

[@Jonsine]

usually just for testing after mixing I leave it sometimes on or turn it on and off to check how it sounds limited

[@ivanvelez7668]

what was the name of the song you used in the video Jon?

[@Snelldawgs]

Can I ask why you have an external studio? Why don't you have your PC/Studio Setup etc at home?

[@Jonsine]

room acoustic I don't have the space at home and it's too loud

[@Snelldawgs]

Fair call, never thought of that :) Thanks for the reply!

[@heyjorge96]

Hey hon why do your Yamahas have two holes at the bottom? I own some but don’t have these holes. Thank!

[@nickhuang1408]

Thanks, I got a question, so we only use the limiter for the whole song or we should use the limiter for each track?

[@LesterBrunt]

I also think arrangement plays a large part. If you have like 16 instruments all doing crazy complex things it is very hard to get it loud as opposed to having very simple arrangement like a kick and a cymbal on every beat and a bass and synth on every offbeat and thats it. It is a lot easier to distort and limit the shit out a minimal arrangement where the sounds don't overlap or clash or could get lost in the noise.

[@TheGreatestPitt]

There is one song that breaks all rules. One song that defies the principles of loudness and sub. ONE SONG... (being dramatic here) Porter Robinson & Madeon - Shelter That fucking song makes my head melt. How did the manage to get so much loudness without losing any bass?! It shouldn't be possible! Those fucking guys man... They're making some deals with the production gods.

[@Jonsine]

hahaha yeah really nice balanced fat mix. don't know how they do It

[@Soundvania]

Hi Jon, where can I listen to the song that plays in the intro?... I love it :))

[@Jonsine]

it's an old track I never finished :)

[@Soundvania]

I love that one, can you please post it on your soundcloud so we can listen to it, even if it's not finished ?

[@jcb.98]

its sounds amazing man

[@ecabanero5776]

Which is the order of the elements? First one the compressor ? And second one the limiter? In the middle analyzing the kick or bass u have to ad eq of course. So tell me pls because I know that the order is important

[@FlexBormarrsBoringAltAccount]

I love Jon.... What's this? A letter from the government? Oh yeah, they're suing me, I'll tell that story another day.

[@Dnakillerz]

Jon,can you please tell me,where you buyed those white absorbers (or what the name is) next to you,searching this for in my studio.

[@Jonsine]

Made a couple of videos about it. Search on my channel for diy absorber

[@Dnakillerz]

Thank you Jon

[@lucianozuccon1138]

Thank you for your works

[@nicebluejay]

great tip thanks

[@2011hifi]

Great tips ! but do you send your track with or without limiter and buss compressor on master buss?

[@Jonsine]

definitely without just having it on to test how it sounds with a limiter cause it changes the sound so much

[@2011hifi]

Cheers!

[@Gophri]

I like it before. As long as it's loud enough to hear it while driving with the window open is good enough imo

[@MateMate25]

Hi Jon. That's a really nice track you are working on. Concrete.

[@Jonsine]

thank you will be hopefully done soon :)

[@diegocastellanos5269]

Are those all plug-ins that come with ableton?

[@BattleAudioRecords]

If we are talking about vsts, yes.

[@brooklynboy1000]

if you have a good mastering engineer he will make your track loud through his analog gear. If you over do it in your mix, he will not be able to do that much. Loudness isnt everything. But thanks for the video Jon!!

[@wildside1274]

liked that video alot btw nice track #notificationsquad

[@Jonsine]

thanks a lot and btw Congrats you will get access to the jon sine team app pls pm me your email here on youtube :)

[@gpac200]

Very good to know ! thanks man :D

[@dimitrisalexiou99]

Thanks for the advice! #NotificationSquad

[@DroloodMusic]

I know you hate the business side of music but I actually like it lol

[@MakeMajor]

wow very helpful thank you

[@laddeladdisi8624]

#NotificationSquad. Thanks for the tips Jon! Really helpful tbh, i've been having problems achieving loudness in my tracks. 😁👍 Hi Vanessa 😂👋

[@alphaprinters9765]

Jon Sine you still don't know how they make their mix louder without clipping. It's a well kept secret by the pros but keep searching you'll dig it out.

[@konaritoikka]

Love that fedora and guitar on the wall

[@adityaupadhyay1169]

love your videos...they are very helpful #notificationsquad

[@v-future1444]

So the limiter goes first? I've always doing it wrong... I use to put this in the following order: ]Tape Saturator > Glue Compressor > Multiband Compressor > Stereo tool > Limiter

[@mnv_music]

Thanks sir!

[@Alaniasty]

Jon, make a tutorial how to prepare a track to mastering, you said in this video about l2 and compressor, but i think these things are when mastering not before ... Cheers

[@Jonsine]

+Alann already made a video how to prepare a track for mastering a while ago just search for it on my channel 😊

[@Alaniasty]

and I probably watched it :D but maybe now there would be new content ;)

[@gamechanger3396]

If it's too loud it doesn't have enough bass - Oliver heldens

[@giovannifarina7429]

I miss these videos

[@SuperEmanuel98]

Why are you getting sued?

[@Jungleros]

Well, I wish it was that simple but it's not. It's a good start thinking about loudness though.

[@resident.7878]

Wow I didn't know people pretended to know what they're talking about this much.

[@PrettyLady7282]

liked - subscribed

[@vishaladhikary]

Pls suggest a good vocal microphone. I hv budget for these. 1. Audio Technica AT2020 2. Lewitt LCT 240PRO 3. AKG P120 4. Audio Technica AT2035 5. AKG P220 6. Rode NT1-A Suggest at least top 3.

[@djzeerus2571]

Vishal Adhikary you might also consider a shure sm58 if you want something that you would be able to use on other instruments as well. Theyre extremely durable and pretty much the gold standard for live vocals. You'd never see an sm58 used in a pro studio for recording, but in that price range, its a great mic to have around and they by no means sound bad.

[@djzeerus2571]

Vishal Adhikary also, jon uses the akg 220 it looks like

[@greg73049]

i have the rode nt1-a and have to say it is a great microphone for the price

[@djzeerus2571]

Lemjan. I bought a couple audio technica mics for a garage band i had a few years ago. They worked for playing block parties but theyre pretty much garbage.

[@vishaladhikary]

Dj Zeerus ya I hv thought of having a dynamic microphone which will be Shure SM57. for instruments .

[@c3well]

SAUSAGE FATTENER

[@1DWOH]

Hey Jon, I'm Gabriel from Brazil, I'm moving to Berlin next month to study EDM production at Dbs Music, I'm looking for learning and practice, if you want an assistant I'd be glad to help, I'm good with design, photography, craft work and I also play some instruments, in exchange I only ask for knowledge. Have a good day :)

[@Jonsine]

hope you will have a lot of fun in Berlin don't party to hard. I could really need an assistant but I need someone in my hometown

[@Uemitay]

What's the Name of the guitar Sample - it sounds awesome. Anyone can recommend a guitar Sampler sounding Like that??

[@ialwaysstartwiththemelody4828]

Ümit Ay real guitar vst is really good

[@djzeerus2571]

I think he probably just recorded a guitar since thats what he's done for previous tracks.

[@Jonsine]

yeah it's recorded

[@ivoek]

Like if you think Jon Sine is the best music production channel on KZbin!!! #notificationsquad

[@rasiknair1886]

#NotificationSquad I think I saw a toothbrush in the studio! ROFL!

[@Jonsine]

yeah always there just in case I have to sleep there :)

[@rasiknair1886]

lol!

[@DesignByLeaf]

#LateNotificationSquad :p

[@CHAO5MUSIC]

Jon is it really necessary to make the track -6dB RMS when Spotify will normalize it to -14 LUFS anyways? It's ok if you'd distribute it on CD but that's probably already dead.

[@Jonsine]

+Chaos if it's just for spotify i wouldn't push the limiter as hard cause it really doesn't make any sense but making kick and bass a bit thinner can still help to make seam louder.

[@Chris-St-DE]

Most of the major streaming platforms are using loudness normalization, the radio does it too, so I see no reason to make tracks loud anymore.

[@wouterhardymusic]

So many bad advice on KZbin ... LOUDNESS sits in your mix to achieve a 'loud' master in the end

[@raymind]

#notificationsquad Great tips!!!

[@Jonsine]

Congrats you will get access to the jon sine team app pls pm me your email here on youtube :)

[@jokindajoker]

You swimming in wrong sea boy its not about kick and bass its about 1k-6k area . Your kick has not to be loud but feels like loud ! use bx_meter and try to make it tight on filter A option. Great song btw

[@RH3D]

"she just loves meat" ... you lucky boy.

[@sivaprayojan]

#extremelylatenotificationsquad :p

[@pushqrdx]

Programmer ?

[@brucespecter3144]

Hey jon What are you gonna do when your older? Because i don‘t think that you‘re still producing music and going to clubs when you’re 40... Are you then just taking care of the label or what are you’re plans? I really hope for you that you will make it one day and that you then can buy the best car💪🙌😂

[@Jonsine]

I honestly don't know but I will figure it out once I get to that point. label, teaching, management, booking could be all alternatives I would definitely try to make something related to music

[@justinbeck4197]

You mean you don't live in your studio? I wonder what that's like.

[@EricTorres713]

Forgot the drinks!

[@Jonsine]

hahah how could I forget the drinks. my friends got them already

[@josefb7449]

#NotificationSquad

[@shreyashpangaonkar7]

#notificationsquad

[@daftdj123]

I hate coffee.

[@VVVV-zg8kw]

If you want to make the sounds worse just for getting a louder song than just distort everything..... you also have at the end a shitty sounding song and even MORE LOUDNESS than a David Guetta Pop Song...

[@peterlagroove6555]

Quality mix and mastering is not about how loud you can get a song. The game is all messed up nowadays. Of course you want loudness, but not compressed all to hell where you're loosing the beauty of the music... Buy the way David Guetta knows nothing about music..... You need to go back to school and learn read music..

[@johnmorris2170]

Your video should be called, "How to continue the loudness war." Or "How to ruin your clients tracks." Have you heard of Replay Gain? Your supper loud hyper-compressed track will get turned right down. Why are you making songs loud? With Replay Gain, compression in radio and normalization in streaming services why are you doing this? Stop killing the dynamics in music.

[@mandeeproy9230]

#notficationsquad

[@DJGrazba]

really man click bait :o

[@VVVV-zg8kw]

If you want to make the sounds worse just for getting a louder song than just distort everything..... you also have at the end a shitty sounding song and even MORE LOUDNESS than a David Guetta Pop Song...

[@amarpawarfilms]

#notificationsquad

[@anandquest]

#notificationsquad

[@Jonsine]

Congrats you will get access to the jon sine team app pls pm me your email here on youtube :)

[@lucasjen2825]

#notificationsquad