Dell ,is the steel that's holding up the joists level .....i'd be so pissed because of it being new work id be half thinking of getting the breaking hammer out to drop the steel in that corner behind .leave a prop under it and let the builder build it back in .W'ere all guilty of not checking at some point . Great video Del👍
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
Hi Adrian🖐I've looked at the further, and you've actually hit the nail on the head with your comment👊The new steel beam IS in out of level to match the existing house floor. The brickies leveled the blockwork on the née outer wall from the opposite end of the stair opening, and obviously, then ran their blockwork level all the way along. It was deemed that the new floor would not show being out of level at the stair end rather than the other end against a wall where a big, wall mounted TV is going. Basically, the floor HAD to be out somewhere to tie in with the existing😬 Perhaps, if I was more aware of this when putting in the joists, I could have fitted a few, diminishing firrings on the last few joists up to the stair opening🤔Great comment bud and well deducted about the steel beam😎Cheers Del
@adrianaosirish6065 Жыл бұрын
@@thetallcarpenter 👍
@mlawlan69 Жыл бұрын
It's reassuring to see even the seasoned pros are not infallible to a fuck up or two and even rarer to see them willing to broadcast it to the whole world! An old bloke taught me some wise words when I was doing my college "it's not how we get into the shit that matters, it's how we get out of it"
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
The fact is, we ALL make mistakes, and it would be unrealistic of me to only ever show jobs when they are going well🤔Thanks for your comment😎Cheers Del
@davetaylor4741 Жыл бұрын
Already summed up in the other comments. Trusting the brickies levels. How many times I used to annoy them to change their so called level. Don't get that now because all timber frame here. If the level is out. My fault entirely. The brickies just skin what I build. But what defines a good tradesman is being able to overcome problems. In the end it will come out good. All through your jobs on this house you have found all sorts of funny levels and quirky bits. Now you have added your own for someone to find years down the line. We have all done it. Joys of renovations.
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
Theres a kind of irony in your comment about me contributing to this houses wonkeyness 🤔and in any other house, I would not have left it🤨Turns out it was the steel beam that was out of level to match the existing joists, to the new joists were level one end and not the other😬Cheers bud🤩
@cedarstuff Жыл бұрын
These are the best videos for DIYers like me - "what do the pros do when it's not perfect?" Great to see the way you think around the problem to get to the best solution for the situation.
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
You're right, its all good and well when everything is going to plan, but its what to do when things don't go to plan that's really interesting🤔Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
@pete8952 Жыл бұрын
Surprised you took the word of the brickies and steel guys, they normally work to within a couple of inches.
@onlyme7939 Жыл бұрын
As a bricklayer I would agree
@Trainboyjackvr Жыл бұрын
They must use the same levels as the lads doing the dot n dab
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
Hi Pete🖐I've got to the bottom of why this has happened🤔Check out the reply I've made to the pinned comment at the top👊Cheers Del
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
😵🤩👍
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
They spend all day bashing them against the wall Paul😵
@michaelplays2449 Жыл бұрын
Great work Del !!! the ability to rectify a problem and carry on is what sets you apart , master craftsman.......well done
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
Always a positive comment from you Michael🤗
@tonymcroberts3252 Жыл бұрын
10mm to a bricklayer is level and I was always told a cock up isn't a cock up if you can get over it which you did, good job mate
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
Hi Tony🖐My bricklayer told me to stop moaning because my soffits were uneven on a roof because he made the cavity 30mm wider, one end to the other😬
@mrboyban Жыл бұрын
Really good work, despite the eventualities I do appreciate your workmanship and honesty.
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
You gotta keep it honest T🫡Cheers Del
@jonathanpike5879 Жыл бұрын
Good job reminds me off working in Uk before I emigrated to Oz as a Chippie
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
Hope you're having a good time down there bud🤞Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
@pat_link_ Жыл бұрын
Well done Del the most complicated set of stairs I have seen
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
Hi Pat🖐These type of stairs used to terrify me when I was younger😬Thanks for watching😎
@johnwaby4321 Жыл бұрын
We have all done that del .took someone's word and not checked. That caused a bit of an issue you had to get over . It's coming along nicely 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
You're so right John😬and this is certainly not the first mistake I've ever made🙃Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers
@Transformityourself Жыл бұрын
Love the honesty as always. When I come to fit mine I only have myself to blame for the joists so I’d best double check before I fit haha. Excellent as always
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
Check, check and double check bud👊Thanks for watching🤩
@user-bh5pv3je6e Жыл бұрын
well done Sir, always good to see how you overcome difficulties..
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
Its always tedious when mistakes are made, but it gives us something to overcome I guess🤔Thanks for watching🤩
@paulcloona9331 Жыл бұрын
Del very frustrating to see new joist out of level by that much. 😢. You done well to get over the problem. Brickys 🙄😂
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
Hi Paul🖐I actually got to the bottom of the issue bud, and check out my reply to the pinned comment at the top😉Thanks for watching bud🤩
@johnlratcliffe Жыл бұрын
Interesting watch- thank you. I made stairs for my own property many years back. I had the luxury of my own joinery workshop on site and we made many many flights for customers. The landing was about 20mm out, so I was able to accommodate this with the top riser (and housing). I was quite pleased with it! Not sure how you (technically) stand with Building Control but it was never mentioned. All our stairs were dry fitted before they went out. Liked the 'hook' where the internal corner strings meet: never knew about that!! You need an apprentice. To hold the camera!
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
Hi John🖐I think you had the ultimate set up bus, and I would have DEFINITELY made the top tread/riser/newel to accommodate an out of level floor in the same way you did👍Very cool idea, and it's usually only the centers 12 inches or so of the stair treads that people walk on anyway, so no problem with the top riser being taller one end👊Great comment and thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
@Ultimate-roofing-square. Жыл бұрын
Nice work TC.. great to show it when things don’t go to plan, and this is reality. Assuming things are good to follow. 🙌🏻👊🏻
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
No one is immune from making mistake Dan🤔getting over them is what separates the men from the boys😎Cheers bud
@Ultimate-roofing-square. Жыл бұрын
@@thetallcarpenter exactly Del… well at least we admit to them..😉. 🤘🏻
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
@@Ultimate-roofing-square. 🤔😉
@BoabMarley11 ай бұрын
Nice one Del. Like the way you use the word skulduggery when you just got to make something work by whatever means necessary 😂🎉
@thetallcarpenter11 ай бұрын
It's my go to word BM🤫🤩Cheers
@clinteastwood3684 Жыл бұрын
Great video yet again! I work on new build and this is a common occurrence unfortunately. Plus the site managers order stairs off the drawing height instead of physicaly measuring each plot. Nightmare!
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
I dont doubt what you are saying bud, and I have seen the state of some of the stair installations on big sites😬and its not always the carpenters fault🤔Cheers Del
@paddy120 Жыл бұрын
Another great video del thanks 👍
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
My pleasure, and thanks for watching🤩
@darrenbethell3171 Жыл бұрын
Del I’m glad it wasn’t plumbed up correctly. The simple reason being you then showed us all the best way of correcting some other f***ers mistakes. We’re there’s a Will there a way pal. Love your vids Buddy keep up the good work. And don’t sink to the Brickies level and leave the next trade correcting your mistakes like they have rise above it Delboy 👌
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
Hi Darren🖐This could have been avoided bud, and it was probably just a case of, 'less haste, more speed'😉Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers
@cabottaxi Жыл бұрын
Wow. Your talent just amazes me.
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
Your too kind 🤗Cheers Del
@andywelch3621 Жыл бұрын
Lots of good info for us young chippys here Del!!!I'm guessing as the joists are out would that mean furring strips on the underside too to get the ceiling level?
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
Hi Andy🖐Great comment and bizzarely, that would make the floor out of level across its length, because it was actually the steel beam that was 35mm high at the stairs end so it matched the existing floor😬(I got to the bottom of it after this part of the video👍) Cheers Del
@LTWCarpentry Жыл бұрын
Great work mate 👍👍
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
Thank you bud🤩Cheers Del
@brithozierhozier4718 Жыл бұрын
I felt for you Del on that one I've had it happen a few times and I know that exact feeling when your heart just sinks there not really a worse feeling on the job sight so disheartening! But as you know we get over these things eventually! Thanks for sharing mate this is the reality on the job!
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
I love your comment because its honest about what we ALL face in our jobs👍Things rarely go perfectly and there's always problems to solve🤔I think that's why I/we love it so much👊Cheers
@itfc3 Жыл бұрын
nice one buddy. we have all been there. but good you showed it.
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
You gotta put your hands up sometimes bud😬Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
@jtrent90 Жыл бұрын
it's gut wrenching isnt it? been in similar situations before. You showed fortitude in carrying on!
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
It certainly is😵and fortunately this is on an older, wonkey house🤔(still no excuse though) Cheers Del
@jimh4072 Жыл бұрын
Skullduggery. - I loved that, it reminds me of my own 200+ years old house. 😂😂😂
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
Always gotta make time for a bit of skulldeggery Jim😆
@Wattsjoinerybarn Жыл бұрын
I watched this video hoping I would find a secret in how to fix those wall side internal half lap joints. Such a funny detail! I sometimes spring a wedge off the wall as well as the timber. I am surprised there is no pre milled pocket screw on the cad staircases. As you say it’s about getting it tight for the glue to go off!
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
Ah, sorry bud, no special method for fixing those corners😬Like you, I just 'pack' being the top part of the joint to keep it closed up tight👊I've worked closely with these stair manufacturers for many years, and they say that joint is like that due to the design/CNC software🤔Also like you, I think there could be a better way😉Cheers Del
@Wattsjoinerybarn Жыл бұрын
I remember from an older video how efficient you are at doing these kits! You have obviously done a fair few in your time. Keep up the good work.💪🏻
@robnicholas1811 Жыл бұрын
You could screw up through the underside of the tread into the string rebates along both edges to get those corners tied in together
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
@@robnicholas1811 That would definitely hold them together💪
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
@Wattsjoinerybarn Considering how much I feared fitting stairs when I was younger, it amazes me how much I love doing them now🤩Over the years I've fitted some CRAZY technical stair sets over multiple floors and worth well over 150 grand😲Thanks for your comments, I appreciate them🤩Cheers Del
@jimgeelan5949 Жыл бұрын
Lovely job Del, but you need to start working your way off building sites and doing shop work
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
I don't mind admitting it Jim, but some of the work I do does leave me a little unfulfilled🤔Thanks for your comment bud😎
@Sparks1Plumbers0 Жыл бұрын
Del m8.... won't say the obvious. But great save nonetheless 🤦♂️. Otherwise great video. Thanks for sharing. Legion OfMany 👍
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
You don't need to say it bus😵😜Cheers Del
@davedawson9851 Жыл бұрын
Henceforth shall you be known as 'Del The Mighty Staircase Wielder'. In our house anyway. I knew you'd sort it. 👍
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
Thanks Dave🤗and I actually do like to think of myself as a stair specialist👊Cheers
@andyphillips7437 Жыл бұрын
I'm amazed at 2 things, one, you trusted a brickie when he said it was level and two, you didn't realise as you were putting it in that it was the best part of 40mm out across the floor just by walking on it...
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
Hi Andy🖐This is the problem with only being called in to do bits and bobs on a job, and the joist at the other end of the floor WAS in level to the outer blockwork, however, the steel beam had been put in OUT of level to match the existing floor, (making it 35mm high at the stair end), and this showed on the joist that the stairs fitted to. There's more on this in the reply to the pinned comment at the top👍Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
@Pete.Ty1 Жыл бұрын
👍👍👍.Thank you
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
No worries🤩Thanks for watching👍
@garrymetcalfe5914 Жыл бұрын
Was just thinking of a way to overcome the issue of the floor. How about a recip saw through the glue and use a packer to tease up the edge and feather it out from there?
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
That's an awesome suggestion Garry👊but fortunately, the customer doesn't mind a little wonkeyness 😮Cheers Del
@TheNorthernmunky Жыл бұрын
Fabulous as always
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
Too kind bud🤗Thanks for watching🤩Cheers Del
@Aron_Spencer Жыл бұрын
Don't want to be a killjoy mate but I think you might struggle with that first kite tread now that you have glued up that second string before fitting it! I made that mistake on the first set I done like this 20 years ago fresh out of my apprenticeship thinking I knew it all 🤣
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
Hi Aron🖐Not a killjoy bud, and I cover this in the final video👍Thanks for watching🤩Cheers Del
@cameronpeters7250 Жыл бұрын
lovely work
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
Thanks Cameron🤩Cheers Del
@denty32 Жыл бұрын
Nice video Del. I felt your pain watching that
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
I've been slightly let off the hook Mark🤞as there was another reason for the joists being out🤔Check out my reply to the pinned comment at the top👍Thanks for watching bud🤩
@denty32 Жыл бұрын
@@thetallcarpenterthat makes sense
@stevencraggs8444 Жыл бұрын
All th years being a joiner, I have never known Wood glue to ever adhere to painted wood ?
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
Me either Stephen👍Cheers Del
@jimh4072 Жыл бұрын
That’s true, never take anyone’s word for anything. 😂
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
That was my biggest mistake🤔Thanks for watching👍
@fardastevie2827 Жыл бұрын
never mind dell but you will know next time never take another trades word for level .. a bit of a minor set back but i know you can tweek it within tolerance .......You wont forget this one
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
Hi Stevie🖐A little bit more investigation has let me off the hook a little for this, and there is more details in a my reply to the pinned comment at the top👍Thanks for watching bud🤗
@andrewjennings9286 Жыл бұрын
if you have glued up the tall newel and wall strings you will struggle to slip the kite treads in after. It is usually better to fit them in loose and then fix newel and strings.
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
Great point Andrew👊and wait until the next/final video where I talk about this👍Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
@pauldixon8279 Жыл бұрын
I agree with this. I used to fit centre kite first and set back a bit then fit middle section and let it come together. Far easier but great vid. Enjoying watching this.
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
@pauldixon8279 Keep an eye on the next video where I talk about these corner kite treads😉These kind of comments show who the experienced stair guys are😎
@kevocos Жыл бұрын
Surely the bedroom floor and ceiling below must be a lot off level if the short 600mm level was showing 10mm?
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
Hi there🖐They are, but at the existing house end as the steel was put in out of level to match them🤔The new floor is level on both the new walls, just not at the stair opening👍Cheers Del
@kevocos Жыл бұрын
@@thetallcarpenter Right, sometimes you just have to roll with it on those old houses. Good luck with the rest of the project 👍
@chrismurray6184 Жыл бұрын
Well explained.
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
Cheers Chris🤩
@joehunter643 Жыл бұрын
Another interesting video del 👍💪
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
Cheers Joe🤩Thanks for watching👍
@nickhaley4663 Жыл бұрын
Del, you're old enough to know that brickies work to the nearest inch.
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
You're not wrong there Nick😬
@adriandotsmall Жыл бұрын
👍 - as the steal beam was put in to match the existing floor level was there a way to make everything level or a case of pick your poison I.e. level at one end or the other?
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
Hi Adrian🖐The original floor was used to support the wall/roof above as the steel was fitted, so had to go where it went👍Cheers Del
@neil-mv3it Жыл бұрын
well done del great video
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
Cheers Neil🤩Thanks for watching bud
@Transformityourself Жыл бұрын
Hi Del I’ve got a question I forgot to post on my other comment. Is this staircase pretty much self supporting from the 1st floor where it’s hung? If you had suspended floors on ground floor under the newels, would you install it differently? I.e strengthen the floor underneath it ?
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
Great question🤔Yes, part of the stair is supported at the joist level, but its weight must be taken by the floor, and I would always try and fit/pack the newels down onto the substructual concrete💪Cheers Del
@chippy97711 ай бұрын
How come you used screws instead of dowels for the 2nd flight, can you use screws to pull the shoulder up tight if the dowels fail?
@thetallcarpenter11 ай бұрын
Hi there🖐There wasn't enough meat infront of the riser housing on the newel for dowels to work, that's why I had to screw it👍and yes, you can use screws in the same way if the dowels don't pull the joint tight👌Cheers Del
@andrewplatt Жыл бұрын
Feel your pain Del Boy 😮 Could you not have packed the landing joists up and tapered to nothing on the rest of the run?
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
Hi Andrew🖐Quite possibly bud🤔but that would them make the floor out of level the other way😬Check out the reply to the pinned comment at the top for more on the reason the joists were out👍Cheers Del
@andrewplatt Жыл бұрын
@@thetallcarpenter Hi Del, hope you've managed to sort the issue out 👍
@SuperWayneyb Жыл бұрын
🤘😎🤘
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
Cheers Wayne🤩🤗🤩
@jimiwhat79 Жыл бұрын
Didn’t you have to put a 10 mm packer under the mule, when you levelled the stairs.
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
Yes bud👍More on that in the final video😉Thanks for watching
@jimiwhat79 Жыл бұрын
@@thetallcarpenter thanks for the video👍
@trig Жыл бұрын
Its not a problem, its a feature:)
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
I'm retaining the character of the existing property Trig😁Thanks for watching🤩Cheers Del
@bricklayersworldwithandy6277 Жыл бұрын
Bricklayers getting a lot of stick on here😮😅
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
Hi Andy🖐Yes, and slightly unfairly as it turns out😜Cheers fella
@bricklayersworldwithandy6277 Жыл бұрын
@@thetallcarpenter 😁👍
@davidblake1663 Жыл бұрын
Just started watching, but knowing there's going to be a "mistake" makes it like an Agatha Christie book; Who dun it? With What? Where?
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
I think they call it 'click bait' David😉Thanks for your comment and for watching🤩Cheers Del
@JACKATTACKED Жыл бұрын
Never fails to bite you in the arse when you don't double check on something yourself.
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
You know it😵And its gutting that's its, ultimately, my fault for not checking😬
@stevethepug6035 Жыл бұрын
Boom 💥
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
Yeah👊
@kiwigrunt330 Жыл бұрын
The painter will fix it....😆
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
Just ordered 12 tubes of caulking😜
@b21playa Жыл бұрын
Wouldn't it have been possible to level the whole floor by chipping and packing the blockwork?
@amazing451 Жыл бұрын
I no you'd have been disappointed Del, but I often found floors out of level when fitting stairs. It can be a right pain deciding what will look least obvious to leave out of level or plumb, I think you're solution was the best in your case. Look forward to part 3.👍👍
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
Hi there🖐Its very irritating and not the way I usually roll😬There's an explanation in my reply to the pinned comment at top👍Thanks for watching🤩
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
Could do bud, but it turns out its not as simple as that😬Check out my reply to the pinned comment at the top👍Cheers Del
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
Could be done, but with great difficulty😵Cheers Del
@nelsbhoy Жыл бұрын
In 6 months that will squeak like hell. Would have been better to go 2 straight lifts with small landing. These kits are usually crap.
@stevethepug6035 Жыл бұрын
Rise and going min calculations most probably wouldn't of worked for the head room on the half landing that's why they have a kite winder. A load of D4 will 100% stop the squeaking 😂
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
As Steve the Pug says, there is not enough room to get a half or two quarter lands in there🤔and they are guaranteed to stay squeak free😎Cheers Del
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
Spot on bud👊
@richardstevenson2727 Жыл бұрын
🫡
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
👍😎
@SteveAndAlexBuild Жыл бұрын
Completely baffling but totally fascinating to watch Del . Small suggestion gets yourself the DJI mics , absolute game changer and simple to use ( even I can work them ) 🤔🤣🤣🧱🧱👍🏽 Ps never believe a bricky 😬
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
Hi Steve🖐Id love to get some mics, but Id then have to buy new cameras as mine don't have ext mic inputs😬Thanks for watching bud, and hope you guys are well🤞Cheers Del
@davidrichardson3894 Жыл бұрын
you got to remember, a brickie is only a joiner with his brains bashed out,brickie i worked with thought his level was broke because the bubble was moving about
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
That's funny David😆(many a true word said in just🤔) Cheers Del
@TheDickPuller Жыл бұрын
Never ever, trust the Hairy Arsed Brickies for levels!!! Adapt & over come, we’ll done mate
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
Hi TDP🖐You're only as strong as your weakest link I guess🤔Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
@johnmorrissey1675 Жыл бұрын
Not easy Del , think we've all been there, its always seems to be left to the carpenter's to sort out these problems, wonder if you could have leveled up the last joist , anyway we all have our ways to sort things out well done 👍☘️🇮🇪👏🤟🩼
@thetallcarpenter Жыл бұрын
We all make mistakes John🤔however I have looked at this more, and the steel beam is out of level to match the existing joists, so actually, this was unavoidable😬Thanks for watching🤩