How To Install Adjustable Lower Control Arm Bolts / Cam Bolts / Camber Bolts

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In this video I demonstrate how to swap out your non-adjustable lower control arm bolts for adjustable cam (or camber) bolts. This is demonstrated on a 2005 Nissan Xterra but will apply to a whole range of cars.
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@kdm704
@kdm704 3 жыл бұрын
I’m just sitting here laughing at the thought of all the X owners who had to cut out their bolts/LCAs watching this and yelling “WTF MAN! WHY COULDN’T MINE HAVE COME OUT THAT EASY!” 😂
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy 3 жыл бұрын
haha I know it must be tough to watch. I grew up in the north fighting my cars every time I worked on them. I feel the pain. I can say however that I will never own another car from the north again. My Florida cars have spoiled me for life.
@kdm704
@kdm704 3 жыл бұрын
Yep, I bought my X in TX and it has been here its entire life. Every time I work on it, things come off relatively easy.
@ry_stock
@ry_stock 3 жыл бұрын
Lmao, I just said screw it and did all new LCAS it was a pain
@shaneharrison4775
@shaneharrison4775 3 жыл бұрын
I know that's right
@shaneharrison4775
@shaneharrison4775 3 жыл бұрын
@@Rythecarguy ok that explained it florida car
@carlosizz89
@carlosizz89 2 жыл бұрын
5:22 for cam bolt position so it can be taken to alignment. Great video right to the point, very useful for those of us trying to install our own lift kits.
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy 2 жыл бұрын
👍🏼
@dangilbert482
@dangilbert482 9 ай бұрын
RY ! These are the most clear concise and informative REAL Videos ever … THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK & PROFESSIONALISM 👍👍
@kyflyboy965
@kyflyboy965 2 жыл бұрын
I just replaced the lower A-arms on my ‘06 Titan. I watched your video and I put my camber bolts in the position you recommended. I took the truck for the alignment. The owner of the shop (it’s a 1-man shop) asked me how I knew where to put the camber bolts. He said, “They were spot on! All I had to do was adjust the caster on the passenger side.” So, thank you for an excellent video with technical details that are “spot on”!
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy 2 жыл бұрын
Oh awesome! Thanks for sharing that story. Makes me feel good. 💪🏻
@mdynova4809
@mdynova4809 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info. Helped me out a lot. Went to the alignment shop, they were going to charge me over $200 to replace bolts. They gave me the option, this is the second time you have saved me time and money. Thanks
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy 2 жыл бұрын
You got it! Glad to help. 👍🏻
@jakeryan3510
@jakeryan3510 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome Ryan. Your giving me confidence to work on my Xterra again. You explain the physics quite well
@mb1636
@mb1636 3 жыл бұрын
I have 07 Frontier, bought it new. Its been recommended couple times when i had my wheel alignment to replace cam bolt eccentric. I never have an issue with tire uneven wearing since brand new n now 13 yrs later. I just told garage dont worry on eccentric n just do regular alignment. Fronty runs great like brand new. Great vid !! Thnx !!
@fahnestockjohn
@fahnestockjohn 2 жыл бұрын
Great video - thank you very much! Was just quoted $468.96+ tax to replace these 4 bolts ($67.24 per bolt and $50 labor * 4) on my Nissan Frontier. What a rip-off!! Thanks to YOU - I'm able to do it for $50, plus an hour or two of my own labor. Thanks again - much appreciated!!
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy 2 жыл бұрын
Dang! Thats insane. So glad to help you save some money.
@oscar-garcia
@oscar-garcia Жыл бұрын
Another excellent guidance. I need to take on this task. Shop told me they can't align it because of the control arms and were changing a few hundreds more.
@kingvic2105
@kingvic2105 10 ай бұрын
BEST explanation I have seen this far 👏🏾 thank you.
@prockfisherman8661
@prockfisherman8661 Жыл бұрын
What a great video. Im sitting here reading the directions and now i can toss them out. This gave a clear and concise explanation on how to do the job. Thanks
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy Жыл бұрын
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching!
@matheg2
@matheg2 3 жыл бұрын
Ry, love your channel! So good!
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Gary! I appreciate it. Don’t forget to subscribe!
@RumzDizzle
@RumzDizzle 3 жыл бұрын
Great vids, keep em coming... Picked up an Xterra hoodie too
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks man. that's awesome! I got the shirt but have not tried out the hoodie yet. I should pick one up.
@karlkeip1909
@karlkeip1909 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Awesome, and very helpful, video. I just finished a 2" lift kit from ADO for my 2019 Frontier. 🙂
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy 2 жыл бұрын
Hell yea! Hope you love it,
@stevegardea8870
@stevegardea8870 3 жыл бұрын
Haha damn man I just did this on my X and I kept looking for a video from you before doing it. Luckily it's pretty dummy proof.
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy 3 жыл бұрын
For sure. Its probably the easiest thing you can do to your suspension. Thanks for watching anyway! :D
@jesse3920
@jesse3920 3 жыл бұрын
YOU DESERVE MORE SUBS!!!!! I love your videos !!! It’s too bad I’m selling my xterra tho :/ gonna be looking up some how to 4Runner videos soon but keep up the good work
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy 3 жыл бұрын
Well thank you for your sub and I hope you love the 4runner.
@GringoFusilero
@GringoFusilero 2 жыл бұрын
This video was exactly what I needed. Thank you!
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy 2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome. Thanks for watching💪🏻
@shadowswordairsofteast
@shadowswordairsofteast 4 ай бұрын
Actually my 2005 off road model has the adjustable cam bolts already but I'm replacing them because they are getting rusty. I'm putting the Rough County lift kit on mine along with different upper control arms then its getting a professional alignment. I already replaced the worn and broken leaf springs and that was fun doing it on the ground. I know this video is on the older side, but it was still informative. Thanks for doing what you do for the Xterta owners.
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy 4 ай бұрын
My pleasure man. Hope your rigs doing well.
@vivekgohil2095
@vivekgohil2095 2 жыл бұрын
Bro, you are the best. Love from India. 🇮🇳🇮🇳
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy 2 жыл бұрын
👍🏻👍🏻❤️🇺🇸
@bennybishop7293
@bennybishop7293 2 жыл бұрын
awsome job taught me what i needed to know
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy 2 жыл бұрын
Anytime Benny!
@tudocervera3764
@tudocervera3764 2 жыл бұрын
best demonstration and explanation my friend ..
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I appreciate it. 😃
@trekfortruth2841
@trekfortruth2841 Жыл бұрын
Another excellent video!
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy Жыл бұрын
Thanks man!
@jasonparker3173
@jasonparker3173 Жыл бұрын
I'm about to do this on my 2017 Frontier, Thank You!
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy Жыл бұрын
Awesome! Hope it goes well. 👍🏻
@TyeChannel
@TyeChannel 2 жыл бұрын
Awwww man! I want that shirt!
@cuppsdriveinn1851
@cuppsdriveinn1851 2 жыл бұрын
Great video , I have a 2000 Honda Accord . The lower control arm broke away from the subframe . Causing the subframe to break . I am planning on welding a washer to each side of the subframe for support . This makes the original bolt useless . Your bolt looks like it would work for me . What do you think ?
@jmend8859
@jmend8859 2 ай бұрын
So after watching this I ordered some cam bolts and installed them. I removed the old ones and they did not look like the ones you pulled out. They looked somewhat adjustable with tic marks. I read on some forum that after 2005 (beginning in 2006), Nissan stopped putting adjustable cam bolts on the titans bc they felt they dialed in their alignment to the point where it didn’t need it. I was shocked to see the “adjustable” bolt bc I do t even have a 4x4, I have the lowest trim/option 05 Nissan titan (xe).
@shaneharrison4775
@shaneharrison4775 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Ry have you had any issues with the oil filter remote locator just wondering as since I got mine it's been oozing oil constantly and I cant see a reason for it when I changed the filter what would you recamend?
@curtthechameleon
@curtthechameleon 3 жыл бұрын
If im doing the driver side cam bolts would the washers be same way? Fat part on left facing engine?
@Over_Lando
@Over_Lando Жыл бұрын
Great informative video
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@jjhard23
@jjhard23 9 ай бұрын
Does the washer technique adjust the camber washer before you take it for an alignment apply to any vehicle? Sorento 2017, in my case.
@lavenderseedandworms
@lavenderseedandworms 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, Ry! You have a wonderful selection of videos to check out. Thank you for making them! My question is: I have a 2019 Frontier that I bought brand new. Everything was stock on it until two weeks ago when I added 1.5" spacers to the front (along with longer shackles in the back). The front wheels then had a positive camber which, because of the stock camber bolts, couldn't be adjusted. I then had the eccentric cam bolts installed just like the ones you have. When I took it to the alignment shop they made my tires as straight up-and-down as possible (I didn't want any positive or negative camber). To my eyes, my wheels still look like they have a bit of positive camber, and it's bothering me. The alignment shop said that there was no more play in the adjustable cam bolts to get the tire perfectly vertical. Do you think what they are telling me is true? I din't think that a 1.5" spacer would be too much for the eccentric cam bolts to overcome. Perhaps I need an adjustable upper control arm?
@elixtido1448
@elixtido1448 Жыл бұрын
Good question. Too bad crickets. Did you ever learn a solution?
@tomybroca8918
@tomybroca8918 2 жыл бұрын
Hello friend, I have a nissan pathfinder 2005 I'm about to put a 2-inch ranch suspension but they tell me that I can have a problem with the alignment. The question is whether with the (cam bolts lower control arm) it would look good
@tower992
@tower992 3 жыл бұрын
So lucky ! Up in north East you could never get them out after salt rust them in. FYI 2005 came with them from factory
@shaneharrison4775
@shaneharrison4775 3 жыл бұрын
That is a great help as the driver sides fine but the passenger side is burning off the tires on the outside
@pete3687
@pete3687 Жыл бұрын
You rock bro thank you
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy Жыл бұрын
Youre welcome, thanks so for watching man.
@brandonobryant4186
@brandonobryant4186 3 жыл бұрын
Seriously thanks
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy 3 жыл бұрын
Anytime my dude!
@noneofmybusiness9895
@noneofmybusiness9895 3 жыл бұрын
Can you provide more info on the cam bolts please? Brand, supplier etc. I have an OME lift on my xterra and the front camber is slightly positive - I think the alignment specs post lift were 0.7 deg and 0.9 deg. It is enough that my tires are wearing a bit uneven. I'm due for new tires this summer, so I want to get a slightly negative camber on the fronts, especially because when turning, the camber and caster put more wear on the outer portion of the tread of the outside tire. Thanks
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy 3 жыл бұрын
Brand was SPC and supplier was All Dogs Off-road. If your alignment is close then adding these should bring you in spec.
@NateDizz09
@NateDizz09 Жыл бұрын
Great content! Would these bolts be recommended for an Xterra with the stock ride height?
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy Жыл бұрын
For sure! Especially if you want to have greater control over your alignment. A lot of times alignment shops will only align toe because the other points are not adjustable. Adding these will let them control more aspects of your ride.
@josecamarenajr3423
@josecamarenajr3423 3 жыл бұрын
That was easy. I changed mine a few months ago. One side was seized up. I ended up having to cutting the bolts off. This screwed me up because the lower arm had a cut bolt through the bushing. I ended up finding two lower control arms at the junk yard. Replaced the ball joints and now my Xterra is all lined up.
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy 3 жыл бұрын
Good lord what a huge pain in the ass. Sorry to hear that. Glad it worked out though!
@CHRIS-jh8zm
@CHRIS-jh8zm 3 жыл бұрын
How did you exactly cut it off? I have a nut that’s stripped out!
@DesertFernweh
@DesertFernweh 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Ry, those aren't the Jack Stands that HF just recalled are they?
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy 3 жыл бұрын
They are, I like to live dangerously.... JK
@ffhjhcgffhhv8097
@ffhjhcgffhhv8097 2 жыл бұрын
I went to get my pathfinder aligned and the tech tried charging me $300 just for the cambolt install . My suv is all stock and he wanted me to install a camber kit on my suv.. He told me he couldn’t do the camber alignment but can only do the toe alignment … was he trying to sell me something I didn’t need? By the way, is the camber bolt only needed for lower control not for upper control arm and what about the back , is it the same process ?
@rajorab5055
@rajorab5055 2 жыл бұрын
Hey, your using that Chicago Electric impact wrench from Harbor Freight. How's it held up? My local HF here in CA sells 'em for $50. For that price, I was contemplating getting one but had never heard of the brand before.
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy 2 жыл бұрын
Yea, it works ok. The finger switch got a little finicky a few years after i bought it but it still works. I upgraded to a wireless Milwaukee wireless and its amazing but I keep the other around for certain jobs.
@jeanluchencygedeon5468
@jeanluchencygedeon5468 3 жыл бұрын
Man I like that t -shirt
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks a guy from the Xterra sub Reddit. I am selling them if you’re interested.
@prockfisherman8661
@prockfisherman8661 Жыл бұрын
Im getting ready to do the koni lift from all dogs with the add a leaf and new high clearance uca's . I also ordered cam bolts should i put them in after i do the lift or start with them iyo?
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy Жыл бұрын
You dan do then whenever as long as its before you get it aligned.
@HNDSME247
@HNDSME247 3 жыл бұрын
What exactly is the purpose of an adjustable lower control arm? What benefit does it produce? Thanks BTW, I have a 2008 Nissan Frontier with a 2.5” lift package.
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy 3 жыл бұрын
In the case of my Xterra the upper and lower control arms are not adjustable from the factory. This means that the only thing you can really adjust in an alignment is the toe in. When you swap these bolts out you are then able to adjust the castor and camber as well. All three are critical to a proper alignment. If you lifted your frontier you should definitely consider swapping these out if your current setup is not adjustable. If your alignment is wrong you could start burning through tires.
@zackrabago5859
@zackrabago5859 2 жыл бұрын
does it mean when I do the driver side lca cambolts would be the same, rear washer has to face engine still and front washer facing the wheel. So the washers(wider side) on each side are facing each other.
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, wider side on the front is facing the wheel, opposite on the rear. Remember, this is just to get you to the shop for a professional alignment. You will still not be in proper alignment after you set it this way.
@noneofmybusiness9895
@noneofmybusiness9895 3 жыл бұрын
Well, got the 2 front bolts in each side. Rear lca bolts are rusted right in. Penetrating oil, torch, using jack to pop it loose were all unsuccessful. Time to head to a suspension shop unfortunately.
@migrez7759
@migrez7759 3 жыл бұрын
will this work for a Frontier Pro 4X and what name brand are they?
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy 3 жыл бұрын
SPC is the name and yes they should.
@menorthedge
@menorthedge 2 жыл бұрын
When had my tracking done rear os camber was off was in red but garage said not in important so still did my tracking... So are camber important or not?
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy 2 жыл бұрын
Camber is very important. It just that if your camber is off in the rear there is really not a lot that you can do about it.
@NissanPodcast
@NissanPodcast 3 жыл бұрын
X T E R R A!
@tr427r7
@tr427r7 3 жыл бұрын
are camber bolts safe? I heard they fail and when they do it could be really bad.
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy 3 жыл бұрын
I suppose if you over torque then they could fail. I have personally never heard of it happening. And yes if you had cam bolts fail that would be a pretty serious issue.
@artiga16
@artiga16 3 жыл бұрын
Will alignment shop adjust the bolts for you?
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy 3 жыл бұрын
Yep!
@javierolivera80
@javierolivera80 3 жыл бұрын
Shit I just changing those bolts thank you 🙏
@ineedfiles
@ineedfiles Жыл бұрын
Nice
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@jdogeats
@jdogeats 2 жыл бұрын
does this also need to be done on the rear? Or only the front?
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy 2 жыл бұрын
Only the front.
@raffieb762
@raffieb762 Ай бұрын
So are you saying the xterra does not come with camber bolts!? So thats why my tires are wearing on the outside even after multiple alignments?
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy Ай бұрын
Yes a lot of them did not. Some of them did if I recall. But yes. If an alignment shop does not see adjustable LCA's then just do "the best they can" and just don't fully align your truck. Definitely get some on there.
@tudor3874
@tudor3874 Жыл бұрын
i have one question. Arent you supposed to torque the nut and not the bolt?
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy Жыл бұрын
Never heard of that. Don't know how to answer.
@boreed5734
@boreed5734 Жыл бұрын
I have a 2015 Nissan Frontier that has the same suspension. I went to get a alignment after buying new tires and to his surprise there was no adjustable camber bolts. As a former mechanic myself he showed me on his machine a picture of it and that it was there but on my vehicle it was missing. Why would Nissan do this? is this common with these Nissan Xterra's and Frontiers?
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy Жыл бұрын
Yea, I am hearing about this a lot. Its probably some cost cutting measure. Let the consumer take on the cost if they want to.
@boreed5734
@boreed5734 Жыл бұрын
@@Rythecarguy Buying the camber adjusting equipment should not be on the purchaser that's dope. I wonder what else they left out?
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy Жыл бұрын
@@boreed5734 I agree, it's stupid.
@joannweidright9463
@joannweidright9463 Жыл бұрын
I had the front done but they told me that I have to get camber bold. For the back I called the Kia dealer they don't make them any more I have a 2008 kia Ronda what am I supposed to do
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy Жыл бұрын
Just buy aftermarket.unless they are some crazy proprietary bolt then you should be able to find one that works.
@coreynoemif3j29
@coreynoemif3j29 Жыл бұрын
I’m confused, if you change the position of the oval washer by turning the bolt, how doesn’t it change position when you torque it using the same bolt?
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy Жыл бұрын
You have to hold the other side until it's pinched and then you can torque it down without moving the control arm.
@coreynoemif3j29
@coreynoemif3j29 Жыл бұрын
@@Rythecarguy thanks!
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy Жыл бұрын
@@coreynoemif3j29 my pleasure dude. Best of luck with the job.
@tonymorales8494
@tonymorales8494 28 күн бұрын
good video but you stated the nut bolt size is 19mm but video shows the socket you used is 21mm
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy 28 күн бұрын
Wild
@bandaeaer
@bandaeaer 3 жыл бұрын
How can I restore my xterra steering wheel???? Please Im from Saudi Arabia
@mikeh.8155
@mikeh.8155 3 жыл бұрын
look on ebay for a new one - easiest fix!
@joefajdich4905
@joefajdich4905 2 жыл бұрын
Please accept my apology up front if needed, did you put a link for the spc camber bolts that you used?
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy 2 жыл бұрын
Yep! If you look at the description of the video the link will be in there.
@jonathanchavez1213
@jonathanchavez1213 2 жыл бұрын
Will these work on a 2002 Nissan Xterra?
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t know if the specific bolts I use in the video will work but cam bolts on the lower control arms will certainly work.
@AbStRaCt13874
@AbStRaCt13874 2 жыл бұрын
him - "all this is being supported by the UCA and coil over so its actually loose in here so we can just slide it out" me - "oh no problem i got this" 3 hours later of hitting them with heat, hammers, impact gun, breaker bar, penetrating grease. FML, getting the grinder lol.
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy 2 жыл бұрын
Oh no! I'm sorry. Must be from the north?
@donh971
@donh971 3 жыл бұрын
Where can you purchase the bolt kit?
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy 3 жыл бұрын
It came with my lift kit from All Dogs Off-road.
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy 3 жыл бұрын
I also put a link in the description.
@donh971
@donh971 3 жыл бұрын
@@Rythecarguy Ohhh, I didn't click the "show More" in the description yesterday. ok TY. I purchased my Lift kit Rough Country. Looking at their LOWER CONTROL ARM CAM BOLTS they only have the oval washer welded on one side of the bolt. www.roughcountry.com/nissan-cam-bolts-1004.html?find=2006-nissan-frontier-4wd-736679 Weird to me. That said I have been looking else where.
@mikeh.8155
@mikeh.8155 3 жыл бұрын
why would they sell only 2 bolts in a set instead of the 4 required?? strange.
@MusicVideos-dy6gf
@MusicVideos-dy6gf 2 ай бұрын
Great video and thank you for supporting us "KZbin Engineers". I took my truck in for an alignment and they told me the cam bolts were spinning and wanted $380 for the repair, which I did on my own for only $60 in parts and in about an hour all done and back at the shop for an alignment. I found that doing the rear bolts sets first was easier to keep the control arm in place.
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy Ай бұрын
💪🏻💪🏻
@RolandoLopezNieto
@RolandoLopezNieto Жыл бұрын
Hi, anyone know if r51 pathfinder take cam bolts on the *rear control arms to help with alignment?
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy Жыл бұрын
No, I do not think they are designed for cam bolts.
@RolandoLopezNieto
@RolandoLopezNieto Жыл бұрын
@@Rythecarguy thanks for the reply.
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy Жыл бұрын
@@RolandoLopezNieto any time!
@bryanjferrer
@bryanjferrer 2 жыл бұрын
Are these bolts for both front and rear?
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy 2 жыл бұрын
No sir. Only on the front. No control arms in the rear.
@ffhjhcgffhhv8097
@ffhjhcgffhhv8097 2 жыл бұрын
@@Rythecarguy What about the backs , how do u adjust the castor and camber if there’s no Controls arms
@CaliKid18
@CaliKid18 2 жыл бұрын
If you torqued them 2 Spec, why technically you do it 3 more x???
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy 2 жыл бұрын
Where in the video did you hear that?
@mdynova4809
@mdynova4809 2 жыл бұрын
Now, you know you made it look easy, but my bolt is froze inside the bushing. and now I'm forced to replace the whole lower control arm, NOT HAPPY.
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy 2 жыл бұрын
It is easy on a Florida car... sorry you had to replace the whole thing. That's annoying.
@justintarvid
@justintarvid 4 ай бұрын
Really don't get why auto manufacturers didn't make this stuff standard.
@Rythecarguy
@Rythecarguy 4 ай бұрын
Agreed!
@tgrzadziel1975
@tgrzadziel1975 3 жыл бұрын
Silicone grease on bolt shank never seize on inside of washers... Thank me later.
@Devinatron
@Devinatron 3 жыл бұрын
Thread-locker on threads, or never seize, or nothing?
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