How to Install Starter Shingles

On today’s video of how to shingle a roof, we will be going over the installation of starter shingles along eaves and rakes.
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[@ronmartel5265]

First time shingling...this series extremely helpful. You explained how to and why without talking down to us, thank you!

[@Average_Roofer]

Glad it was helpful!

[@miomine3527]

​@YourAverageRoofer hey dylon,I was wondering for places where high wind is a factor. Is there any other addition steps you have to do so the first layer of shingles don't blow off..or is a starter strip good enough..?

[@nacholibre1962]

I'm 60 years old and looking to re-shingle my farm house to save on labout costs. Never don it before. This video was awesome! I don't think there's anything 'average' about your quality of work. Well done!

[@sunnifreyer2759]

I'm in the same boat as you. Too bad we don't live close by so we can help each other. Mine came in a 32K to remove a layer of cedar and asphalt on a 1700 sq ft home that is 4/12 pitch with a long ranch roof with no alcoves or anything. I just turned 70!

[@gmeisterify]

Great video series! I couldn’t have reroofed my old shed by myself without this awesome video series with so many detailed tips.

[@joshrandall3632]

I'm not in to hand nailing, but it's very satisfying watching and hearing this guy do it.

[@itsmeforsure5475]

I just noticed he gave us the bird at 2:15. I'm just starting this part on my shed. Very good video.

[@jacoblavoie8326]

You cover all the basics. Glad to see you know your stuff.

[@francisaiello6197]

Dylan, Thank you for making these videos. Extremely helpful for a novice like me.

[@Ittybittythetwofacedkitty]

You have the best videos! You tell and show without all the extra talk some youtubers do. Thanks

[@Tauf4]

Thanks for the video. I have to put a roof on my shed tomorrow and this helps a lot. Little nervous about getting on the roof though.

[@davidfishferrell]

I’m not a professional roofer by any means but I’ve never put my starter upside down. This is an awesome video

[@johnsims4694]

Very easy to follow your instructions. Great job.

[@jpbladeaholic1180]

Hey just wanted to take a moment and thank you for the instructional videos you make because they have been a big help to me, you are my go to. Thanks again. Jim P

[@HB-yq8gy]

Thank you Dylan you're a great roofing instructor for the DYI!

[@jriopel11]

This video was extremely informative and spot on. Keep it up with the content!

[@AdventureIndiana]

I found your video to be on point and precise. You will laugh, but I watched your videos prior to roofing a dog house. If I am going to do something, I like to do it right, even on a dog house.

[@NewWaveSports229]

On the Gable end the starter strip should probably be on Top of the lower one because of the path of water

[@foxyroxstar]

Interesting..hmm..as it flows it should go..well I guess 905 is Ontario, Canada! it's probably a base that is covered which doesn't matter..I take the 3 tab shingles en just cut umm! but who says ya can't get out a caulk gun with a roofing tar tube in it! (shouldn't HAVE to I guess!)..and did he build that roof to MovieSet this Presentation!

[@AaronBrand]

I don’t think that matters as much as the paper and flashing underneath it. I believe you’re just as like;y to have wind-driven water moving in at this location. If water happens to drain down under the shingle above the starter strip AND under the starter strip (you probably have other issues to deal with), the paper and flashing are still going to drain water off the roof.

[@williampockoski5029]

Thank for the detail information, great video explaining the methods used and why.

[@anastasiawebb1610]

You are an excellent teacher.

[@claymonsterpottery]

I’m trying to roof my little tiny chicken coop with remnant shingles from friends. Tried to start today after doing tar paper and the drip edge. Its not pretty but... I’m learning. I tried starting the shingles today and realized I just be missing something and it was the starting shingles. Lol. Your videos are super helpful. Thanks. You also just taught me how important the tar strips are. I’ll send a photo if it works out. Thanks again.

[@Average_Roofer]

claymonsterpottery send your finished photos via email to [e-mail] 👍🏼

[@gar2161978]

Thanks for this bud, I’m helping a friend roof a small shed tomorrow and I couldn’t remember if you put the nails in tar strip or not.

[@Engineerboy100]

Good job man, I watched your shingle video too, very good as well I will be doing this tomorrow morning so I really appreciate this clear video.

[@jumpmaster82nd.]

Very helpful! Starting a small roof soon and this was much needed! Thanks!

[@scottotto4425]

I staple them in with my hammer tacker saves nails. Quicker application and the nails from the shingles fasten them down. No dragging the air hose around. Thanx 4 your video.

[@geomundi8333]

thanks so much for video. branch just fell through my roof. so i have lots of work ahead of me. now to learn how to do the sheathing.

[@Average_Roofer]

There is is a video on my channel for that. I’ll tag a link to you.

[@Average_Roofer]

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[@LuisVazquez-xi2yq]

Thanks for your videos man. There are helping me… A LOT!!

[@jasonmartin6820]

Yes very helpful thank you. Can you or have you made a episode with shingling in valleys? Thanks again time to smash the like button

[@justinshade1580]

Great video. Only thing I would do different is I would put the eave starter on first then overlap the rake starter. Backward laps erk me lol. Outside of that your procedure is legit. I know it's the same either way, as long as you do like you said and make sure to have the starter glue meet on the rake and eave.

[@aaronbarnes9614]

Amazing tutorial man! Keep up the good work!

[@jeffm360]

Very informative. Great job and good luck with chanel.

[@traviswaller4715]

Full Tar Adhesion sounds like a metal band. Great video!👍🏼

[@mfp221]

This is really helpful man, thanks!

[@Average_Roofer]

Glad it helped!

[@ElreyRayo]

Gracias from Texas

[@Average_Roofer]

Any time

[@dongeorge4037]

Just what I needed today.

[@anthonyz7327]

Very good video I'm a framer and I want to learn how to roof👍👍👍👍

[@Average_Roofer]

Anthony Z I will be doing 2 videos every week on how to install roofing systems starting with shingles and moviegoing up to metal and flat roofs.

[@ehvs]

These are some really great points!

[@patrickmclaughlin6013]

Thanks for the videos! Great help.

[@justanotherperson584]

Very very good. Thank you. I will do as I see.

[@gary24752]

Would suggest using a self adherring waterproofing membrane on the eaves and gables. They should extend the the starting edge of the drip edge in case you are in snow country and have gutters. The underlayment should lap the drip edge in either case to prevent water from running back and soaking your deck.

[@Average_Roofer]

gary24752 use ice and water shield along all eaves, gables and valleys making sure they cover 18” inside any heat bearing walls. Under the drip edge along eaves. And over the rake edge metal.

[@mike232323232323]

@@Average_Roofer In your earlier video "How To Install Drip Edge on a Roof", I think you said the opposite ... in that video, I think you said the drip edge goes under the underlayment (or ice & water shield) along eaves and on top of the underlayment at rake edges. Please clarify because I want to make sure I understand correctly. Thanks.

[@greghdavis1066]

Good job Dilly 💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪

[@johnjacobjinglehimerschmid3555]

Seems to me if you did your first eve starter strip as suggested .... that if something happened somewhere between the eve and peak ... water would run down and have a path to "UNDER" the shingle? NO? Why not run the eve piece first and the gable piece on top?

[@alexw4225]

This was a good question I wish was answered

[@timphillips8966]

@@alexw4225 I'll answer it... The starter shingle is only a waterproofing element at the butt ends of the regular shingles along the eave edge. The UNDERLAYMENT is the waterproofing under the starter shingle and that's where the water will end up anyway so that 5" strip of starter bucking water is inconsequential

[@azataliking8302]

Great Videos Thank you so much now am like a pro

[@johnwalsh5123]

You have some great videos! I have a question on the starters I noticed you ran the gable starter first then overlapped at the bottom wouldn’t you run the eve first then run up the gable just so water would shed properly? Thanks

[@user-cv3vz3ct3g]

I recently cleaned out gutters on my roof. I noticed that there was no starter shingles installed. The first course was the first full shingle. I also noticed that this first course overhung the drip edge anywhere from 5/8" to 1". This caused that first course of shingles to droop over (bend, curve, whatever) in the hot sun. The home builders roofer said they were installed per manufactures specs. Any opinions out there?

[@rickyhinton5726]

The one inch overhang is normally used when you have a 1x2 trim board fastened to the facia to cover the flashing.

[@danielyanez9443]

thanks for knowledge good videos

[@-gundy8444]

Great video what do you do at the ridge? Just butt the two gable starter strips at the ridge? Or should one starter strip go over the ridge

[@Average_Roofer]

- Gundy to be 100% honest. You can do it either way. As hip/ridge shingles are going to cover it regardless.

[@rabirahman1428]

Thanks !

[@jodyvaillant118]

Does the starter strip get nailed through the drip edge?

[@mikeryan5856]

why do you need starters on the gable/rake? why not just on the eaves? i dont get it please please help

[@Average_Roofer]

You do not necessarily need them, however it will help with additional adherence of the shingles along the gables, is creates a straight line to follow while cutting your shingles, and it also helps reduce the changes of wind driven rain from penetrating the roof horizontally. Although it’s not always required, it is HIGHLY recommended, and most manufacturers state the use of it in their installation procedures.

[@dand4564]

Very well explained. Subscribed!

[@goosesicle]

Would it be better to put the rake edge shingle on top but cut out a sliver at its bottom to expose the other shingles tar? I know a great deal of consideration goes into overlapping the roof materials correctly so just wondering if there's a way to have these overlap that way too

[@spencebespokedreams]

Are this flush with the drip strip?

[@Average_Roofer]

spenceational86 overhang 1/4 inch off of the drip edge.

[@oscarsmith6519]

Thanks

[@EvanStadlerMountFortyFour]

Thanks for the knowledge just livein it up a bit bud, you sound like a robot.

[@Average_Roofer]

Noted. Thank you! 🙏🏼

[@lucasmurphy3890]

Thanks mate

[@Brandon-no3vc]

The problem I see with this video is when you were talking about the bump you over laped your corners so there's gunna be a even bigger bump there. And you didn't over lap the corresponding starters on the eves or rakes so I dont see why you have to over lap the corners. And I'm pretty sure bdr uses normal shingles 4 the starters

[@user-oc6qs1po3j]

You guys are goofballs on ticcytooky. But here your 180 different an helping people learn way to go guys

[@Yourdaddy1972hp]

great video. thank you for taking the time to help the common person to try to do it yourself.

[@Ojeramup12]

Did you install the starter strip 1/4 inch beyond the drip edge or before the drip edge?Hard to see on video?

[@timphillips8966]

Yes it was 1/4" beyond the drip edge, BUT this is ONLY for drip edge that has a 1" lip that extends beyond the edge of the roof! There are drip edge metals that are only a simple 90 degree bend with a small 3/16" bend at the bottom that is the actual "drip edging" that kicks the water out away from the fascia. Using this type of drip edge you'd extend the starter shingle one full knuckle (1") beyond the drip edge and not the 1/4".

[@Ojeramup12]

@@timphillips8966 Thanks, I installed some shingles back in December this way.

[@cindystockon8691]

So is the drip edge suppose to be installed under tar paper or ontop

[@renorican1]

Do you have a video one how to waterproof a connection from a flashing and shingles, from home to a covered porch with vinyl siding???

[@Average_Roofer]

STEVEN N. L. You’re talking about terminating to a wall instead of a ridge? I can absolutely do that. Just off for surgery, coming back with a ton of videos shortly. Stay tuned! 👍🏼

[@renorican1]

I think so!? 😊 I am going to install the flashing under the siding, but the connection between the wall of my house to the covered porch... does the flashing go under the shingles? Is there a tar I can put there to waterproof it? PS: Speedy recovery bud. 💪🏻😊

[@doobswiggins9930]

@@renorican1 dont tuck your rain pants into your rubber boots , wall flashings come out over the shingles, bottoms up , its good practise to water proof the roof deck to the wall after you remove siding , a primed self adhered membrane is a good choice, then shingle up to wall ,install flashing using only wall fasteners , nothing through deck, have metal bent with a safety edge and half inch cant bend down ward to make it resist folding up in a wind or better yet through in some roof cement under it . Just not so much it leaks out all over roof in the sun when metal heats up. then instal sidingback over top .

[@davespinola3076]

I did I roof on a garage on my summer cabin, and I failed to put down a starter strip, dumb mistake I know but never done a roof before, any adhesive you would recommend that I go back to adhere that first course?

[@jjsroofing860]

Good videos for the DIYs. 🐿

[@canocano5480]

How do you join the open valley at the top were two valleys meet

[@rebeccajohnson4290]

Is he going through the drip edge? This is the dog house roof I'm making, curious

[@gregbrady8454]

What is the other side of that hammer used for?

[@gtdrywall6222]

What is the mark of this hammer?

[@Average_Roofer]

PrimeGrip

[@albertbasquez1821]

What sizes nails are you using

[@tony55575]

I like watching your videos but on the starter strips what do I do when I get to the peak of the roof do I just wrap it around the top and continue down the other side

[@corymay7520]

wondering the same thing. did you find out abd if so can you share the awnser with me

[@AaronBrand]

Are you nailing the starter strip nails through the flashing?

[@richardhatt6541]

No

[@Inspectazhomes]

Food stuff thank you!

[@anonymousytube956]

when i use these kind of starter i starte at half the start so i dont have to horry about loossing my 8" on starter thats betther then 6" at the bottom after that 6"

[@PrideofIpplepen]

What about installing a drip edge?

[@samueleadle8078]

Couldn't you just layer the corners then cut a lt 45°angle an have no overlap an consistent tar line?

[@rockefelleragent1357]

What length of nails should I use to nail the starter shingles and regular shingles?

[@timphillips8966]

Depends. Is the roof torn off down to the wood? If so, 1 1/4" nails are fine. If not, you need to determine how many roofs you're going over, their thickness and add 1" for total nail length.

[@np-bl7qc]

Love the info and tips. I've done a roof or two, with other people. Not my every day job. But I was taught to overhang starters and shingles 1 inch off drip. Any particular reason you do a quarter? Or what would you say could be bad or good about an inch?

[@CardinalEgan]

It's an eyeball thing. I bet his 1/4 inch ends up being 1/2 inch most of the time. I wouldn't go more than 1 inch though. Heavy rain can overshoot the gutters, and gutters are difficult to clean if you can't fit a gloved hand into the gap.

[@satochinakamoto6129]

When the water runs 1 inch past the drip edge metal, gravity and momentum constricts water from turning 45 degrees creating a second drip edge. If the forces of the wind turn the water , the underneath metal drip edge blocks the water.

[@richardhatt6541]

@@CardinalEgan gloved hand? Just use your hand and save your gloves.

[@richardhatt6541]

I never did more than 1/4". No need.

[@BYF1228]

Do I hang it over 1 inch or a quarter inch?

[@Average_Roofer]

BRENT YC FERNANDEZ approximately 1/4 inch past drip edge overhang.

[@bigelile07]

@@Average_Roofer In Florida the shingles and drip are flush. Also, mastic is applied at every drip edge before the shingles are installed...IF the roofer does the job correctly, which isn't always the case. Kinda funny how building codes are different in almost every state. In Georgia the shingles run about 2" past the fascia board.

[@johnh9507]

Does everyone use a starter shingle up the gable I think a lot of people don't even use it

[@Caleb-vr1mi]

I know it's probably a bad idea but what's your thought on architectural shingles on a double wide with 2x2 trusses ? Otherwise I guess it would be good old 3 tab shingles.

[@timphillips8966]

It's not a bad idea. The weight difference is insignificant

[@---skynet---]

Did u do a video for the ridge cap install?? I looked on your channel and didnt see a video

[@Average_Roofer]

SKYNET recording it tomorrow.

[@randomreviews595]

Do you overlap the gable sides? Or just butt them up together?

[@Average_Roofer]

Pixel2 Xl Very good question. After working with multiple roofing contractors and dealing with several manufacturers, the answer is truly based on preferences. Either way is correct as long as your bottom starter seams always stagger approximately 6inches or more from your first shingle course seams.

[@billypyles212]

Great lesson, question? Once you reach the top of the 6" cut pattern starter shingles do you start over with the 6" cut pattern starter shingles again? And work that pattern to the ridge cap? Hope you understand the question, thanks

[@joseph123456]

No u dont its for the first course and maybe the rakes but thatsnit

[@timphillips8966]

YES you'd cut another "book" and run those up the rake edge. Most shingle manufacturers want your shingle offsets to be 5 5/8", which is the same amount of shingle exposed to the weather below the nail line/lap.

[@Anonymous-it5jw]

The intro music doesn't help. Thanks for the info on the starter strips, and installation procedures. Great technique; thanks for going to the trouble to build a model roof structure to use to demonstrate proper roofing practices.

[@demetriusthers785]

No shit the intro music doesn’t teach u anything...

[@thomascintron9576]

How far over the edge should the final shingle hang? thanks!!

[@roofordie8204]

Eighth of an inch past the starter

[@timphillips8966]

EQUAL to the edge of the starter.

[@noriherrera4603]

Don’t drop it 🤣 good info.

[@xavierrivera9548]

How much do you go of the drip edge

[@frankmontez6853]

I do my starting shingles by reversing it you know upside down . 3 tab shingles

[@spencerhall4452]

Do you need to do the starter up the gable end? My roofer just did it at the bottom....

[@timphillips8966]

Yes it should be run up the rake edge (aka gable end). It helps to give a straight line up the edge and hide all the laps of the shingles along the edge as well.

[@jasonredding2282]

You got a back water lap on the starters

[@shermanwilliams7724]

BIGG TIMEEE!

[@stagnetforever]

Hey man I'm a commercial roofer myself flat roofer. Doing my own house currently definitely not used to this 11/12 pitch. House is way out of square old house built in early 1900s. How do I find common point so I can chalk a line for straight shingles thank you in advance

[@richardhatt6541]

11/12 pitch? Did you buy a church? I replaced slate on a 10/12 pitch and that scared the hell out of me. Use the Pythagoras theory and see how out of square you are and adjust from there. Depending on what the manufacturer states on the package you may be able to snap a straight line up from bottom to top and another one stepped 6"-12" back. Make sure the first line is shorter than the furthest distance to the edge of a shingle. You don't want to have a little piece needing to be put in on the end. Also measure to the opposite end of the roof and see what the piece will be to avoid little pieces.

[@stagnetforever]

Thank you

[@richardhatt6541]

You do hot asphalt or rubber?

[@stagnetforever]

@@richardhatt6541 I do Asphalt and Tpo/fibertite usually only rubber repairs. Usually I'm replacing rubber roofs

[@richardhatt6541]

@@stagnetforever I have done few hot roofs. We stripped "pitch" roofs and that stuff irritated and felt like burning combine with your sweat. I still hate the smell of hot asphalt.

[@brianrobbins3499]

Nice

[@robertgembala8532]

👍

[@erinfrostbirbs5672]

so for ark shingels how do i snap my line as in wht layout 6 then 10 then 15 ???????????????

[@jackriley5974]

Gable and rake aren't the same thing! Applying a starter shingle butt out on the rake is meant to direct the water down the roof to the eve where it is supposed to go

[@Kirmit18st]

Today I had a roofing/gutter company come look at my hanging gutter I requested a quote on the repair. They came out to look at the damage but the person they sent was under the impression that he was there to inspect the roof. I was heading home from work when he had arrived he asked if he could go up to take a look while I headed there I stupidly said yes, I’m thinking okay he need to get up there to inspect the damage to the gutters. As I am driving home I get notifications from my ring camera I open it up and see my love camera, watching him picking up shingles off the ground and throwing them into his car. When I finally arrive we go up the the roof I’m thinking he’s going to show me the damage he saw on the gutters but instead he tell me right away have you seen your shingles lately I said no and he point out the am area that had a patch of missing shingles, I asked him those are the ones I seen you throw into ur car through my camera. He responds with oh I was them cleaning up since they were already hanging and continues on to sell me on getting a whole new roof replaced with no out of pocket cost besides the deductible to the insurance company. He mentions how because I am missing shingles they can file a claim for wind damage. I’m thinking to myself well clearly he ripped the shingles off and is now trying to tell me the damage was there and I need a new roof. I tell him again that I only called them for a gutter repair quote and he’s like of well I was told this was a roof job. How shady was that and what do you recommend I do. Sorry I’m not sure if this is the place to ask this but I’m lost as a young clueless homeowner with zero guidance it seems everyone is just trying to take advantage of that. That company sent me a contact to get the roof replaced after the whole ordeal and offered to get me in contact with someone for just the gutter if I chose to just do the gutter. Which was my whole plan to begin with but now I have missing shingles on my roof from where I believe this guy just ripped off for what ever reason other than to get me to contract them

[@jergustafson7107]

thats wrong bud.. gable overlaps the eaves then cut a 45 from the gable overlap to the corner to expose the tar strip.

[@zeke112964]

Absolutely ....just like step flashing so it sheds water.

[@timphillips8966]

No, it isn't wrong and your method isn't wrong either. The only point the starter shingle is a "waterproofing" element is at the butt ends of the shingles (aka keyways). Move 18" away from the rake edge with the water and what does it run into? That's right, the top of the starter shingle. Where does it go after that? Under the starter shingle and on TOP of the UNDERLAYMENT where it continues over the drip edge and off the roof!

[@joelleamaya7694]

@@timphillips8966 Is it better to have them overlap or to cut at a 45° angle and butt them up? I also have question about repairing a section of a roof. Is there a good place to ask this?

[@gregscheyd4131]

Pretty dang sure,TIM PHILLIPS IS CORRECT ....bud !!!!!

[@jergustafson7107]

@@gregscheyd4131 hes not

[@avielfasi]

liked

[@buratching]

Guy with the rotten tooth, the top of the ridge metal strip should be custom trimmed to overlap the adjacent trim and under the roof paper

[@budgy54]

5:13 nail needs one more smash

[@Average_Roofer]

budgy54 ahhh you caught me!! You’re right, could have used one more smack!

[@lucasshrewsberry3219]

Yeah you know this guy is a roofer look at his teeth. I would hire this fucking guy though he knows his shit!!