How to Interact in cEDH

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@LemorasCards 4 ай бұрын

What advice or questions about interacting do you have? Let me know down below!

@W4llh4k 4 ай бұрын

How to interact in an irresponsible table,. aka every other player was greedy, and I did keep a healthy hand. It's happened a bit at my locals cedh, where I was the only one interacting the first 3 rotations, but tried to hold my hand, a bit too much, as I did notice that everyone kept fast mana, and engines, and 0 interaction.

@mizzlchieizzl 4 ай бұрын

100% good advice! 1) Let priority pass through its steps. It tells you so many things. A lot of players will freak out, fawn, or get flustered or start looking to make a deal, or straight up counter a winning combo out of priority. So after all the flipping out, remind the next player they have priority : ) It's way better to just say what the threat is on the stack and see how people respond. 2) Also, it's important to not always go for the combo win. Especially if there's a blue player. They expect you to do that, so if you tutor a secret card, they might wheel afterward even though you have less cards in hand than them. Then they draw you into what you need to win. 3) Honesty is important. If you're actively and consistently lying about your hand, eventually you'll get stinky and people won't want to play with you, or will target you first. Be honest, but don't be too forthcoming. Give a tad bit of info, and ask for others to share info before you share more. You're all trying to win.

@sapph1regold 4 ай бұрын

I love everything you just said, especially the bit about honesty! If you build a strong reputation as an honest player, you can legitimately say “hey, before you pass, I have nothing for this” so your opponents know that they *have* to interact with their line.

@DirtyO 4 ай бұрын

Really awesome video idea. Granular examples like this can help intermediate players level up a lot. I think a lot of people avoid talking about specific scenarios like this because the decision trees can spread so fast, but without some advanced insights, it’s harder for players who understand the game, but are struggling to win consistently to even consider what they should think about. Great video!

@LemorasCards 4 ай бұрын

@DirtyO thank you! It's easy to get too into the weeds, and a lot of times that is where my mind goes when it comes to interaction, but I try to make these things sorta leveled understanding that getting someone to that basic level is the first hard step and if they continue to play they'll go up naturally to those more advanced ideas.

@paulnatta8519 4 ай бұрын

Great video, solid advice and makes me think about how to play better. I feel like so much of cEDH is reading the players, picking when to go for it and stopping what truly matters. I would love to see a video of just interaction examples you've been in.

@LemorasCards 4 ай бұрын

@@paulnatta8519 thank ya! I might have to look into that.

@cy4will829 4 ай бұрын

This is amazing advice! I’m referring every new Cedh player to this video

@LemorasCards 4 ай бұрын

@cy4will829 thank you!

@luketaylor1257 4 ай бұрын

I also think about interacting at the skinny points in the combo. There are points in every combo where the resources a player has to continue past interaction are small, and when they are wide. Say for instance a Nadu player has 1 more trigger they could use, and they cast a random dork. I might force that dork because I know if I choke them off at this skinny point in the combo they are more likely to fizzle than if that same dork were to be cast at the start of their turn while they still had up 8 possible triggers. If a player taps out for an Ad Naus that's a skinnier point to interact at than after they draw 20 cards. Knowing those skinny points requires knowing how a deck works, and what kind of resources it needs to win versus what resources they are showing or that you know about. That thinking works for win attempts but also for advantage engines, acceleration, and tutors too. A player mulls to 3 and casts a turn 1 fish, I'm way more likely to mistep that fish than if they kept 7 because that fish represents a skinny point for the mulliganed player more than it does for the first 7 keep player.

@luketaylor1257 4 ай бұрын

Also to add to that, that's why paying attention to what a player is doing is important. As a new player, or even a casual vet, its easy to let your eyes glaze over as a Nadu or Tayam twiddle away, waiting for the big important moment to announce itself, but oftentimes it doesn't. To go back to the Nadu example, while a player should still be clear about what they are doing, they don't need to announce to you that if this spell fails they have no way to keep going. You have to pay attention for those moments. It's also worth talking through what's happening for other newer players, who might otherwise miss a critical moment, "Okay if this Godo player plays a land this turn he gets the mana he needs, so if you can kill his rocks during his upkeep..." or what have you.

@MRAIClassroom 4 ай бұрын

Great advice as a new player I love with the vets coach me up, “ok if he resolves this we lose, can anyone stop it” Yes they may be baiting me at this point, but it’s helping me understand the decks I’m getting the main ones down so far.

@luketaylor1257 4 ай бұрын

@@MRAIClassroom Yea explaining things in that way is a way a more vet player can also get you to be the one to interact, even if they are telling the truth about what is or could be happening, that's definitely true. The ideal for the vet is to get you to stop the win, then they win with the protection they didn't use afterwards. In an ideal world you want to move past the point where you need things explained to you and thus removing one lever with which you can be manipulated.

@alanschellenberger9356 4 ай бұрын

its always tough to know if its better to counter rhystic study or the win attempt that comes in 3 turns. value engines win games but we also dont want to burn our interaction on them when another deck is capable of just presenting a win attempt in the early game

@jarredjenkins8054 4 ай бұрын

The ending is a philosophy I strongly agree with When in doubt...jam a win attempt It's more likely to win than waiting and losing that window

@LemorasCards 4 ай бұрын

@@jarredjenkins8054 make em have it!

@Surberus1066 4 ай бұрын

I've been running Rog/Ikra with that mentality and it feels like they always have it. But I might also just be bad at magic.

@LateTeens709 4 ай бұрын

#Jundlife @@Surberus1066

@FFandMTG 4 ай бұрын

I’ve seen a lot of players let a Rhystic study, mystic remora, or something equivalent resolve even though they had the ability to counter it. Typically if something important resolves that’s not an immediate win, but can easily lead to a win, I think oh maybe the coast is clear to jam my win. The coast has so many times not been clear lol. The logic afterward in discussion was I didn’t counter their draw engine or whatever because they can help interact with you the turbo player. Thoughts on this? I’m not saying they’re wrong and I’m right. I’m wrong way more than I am right. Thanks! Great video btw.

@DerpyLaron 4 ай бұрын

12:00 This is something you always want to consider, just asking them "Okay hold on a second, what does that mean when this resolves" puts many people on the "oh they have something" train regardless if you have something or not and if you let something scary but not game winning go you set yourself up to blow them out if they believe you bluffed

@Demon_of_Razgriz 4 ай бұрын

I play a lot of Sans-Blue (Tymna/Tana mostly). There are so many times where people are asking for interaction and all I say is "I'm in sans-blue, what do you expect me to have?" Then I'm usually the one who stops the main win attempts because everyone else burned their interaction early and I happened to draw into some interaction. but my advice is, play to the strength of your color pie. Non-blue doesn't have a lot of on the stack interaction, but they can very well mess with things that may need to be on the board in order to push a win attempt.

@richardsapingo1828 4 ай бұрын

I like how the main title is "the reason you keep losing" with Dockside next to it... Yes i lose my games to that little pirate bastard.

@LemorasCards 4 ай бұрын

@@richardsapingo1828 relatable 😔

@someguy1ification 4 ай бұрын

This is why the strategy for the deck I'm working on is "sacrifice a Mindslicer". I don't want to worry about these mind games XD Well, that isn't the whole strategy. It's abzan hatebears (karador)... But by far the strongest thing it can do is put everyone into topdeck mode at once. The hate pieces are to slow people down enough to make them discard their hands. We'll see how it works, the mana is probably too slow.

@NicolasandDad 4 ай бұрын

Not sure if I’m next level, but my favorite way is to jump in line of priority… I think the key is to know what interaction do I have and what interaction do my opponents have and how can I help manage the decks… and Me using all my interaction first and setting that as the tone and then withholding… so strong

@nealcrabtree3647 4 ай бұрын

I'm here to praise Rogsi 👏

@noneyabizness6094 4 ай бұрын

I would love a video on bad cedh habits, I'm sure I have a few

@014TheValentino 4 ай бұрын

Love this advice 👍

@7uxedomask 3 ай бұрын

This video taught me a lot, thank you very much ^_^

@nathanlarsen7847 4 ай бұрын

Another fire video! Jonathan Ngo is really great at politics and being a puppet master

@LemorasCards 4 ай бұрын

Thank you! Yeah, he's great.

@nenhumpietro3241 4 ай бұрын

really good video

@LemorasCards 4 ай бұрын

@@nenhumpietro3241 thank you!

@TripsAhoy 4 ай бұрын

You already know why I'm losing....cause I'm still playing my boy Gaddock Teeg! Surprisingly he still wins games tho. ❤❤❤

@lits2722 4 ай бұрын

Nice video!

@LemorasCards 4 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@SpaceAznZen 4 ай бұрын

One thing that a lot of players could use as their advantage is reacting the same way to everything that is being cast. I know you want to try and avoid giving away information about what is potentially in your hand but if you're reacting the same way (such as looking at your cards the same way every time something is cast) then you are not giving away useful information but you're also presenting that you possibly do have something. How you react differently to each thing is a way to give up that information. So react the same each time and never try to deviate from that.

@LemorasCards 4 ай бұрын

@@SpaceAznZen 100%, very good advice.

@someguy1ification 4 ай бұрын

Ye olde "act like you had it the whole time"

@Chalupakabra 4 ай бұрын

Worst mistakes I see from play patterns and interactions is feeding into Mystic or Rhystic to try and generate some advantage of their own. I'm not saying this is necessarily bad, but the advantage being pressed for should outweigh the amount of advantage being given away. Sometimes it's just better to run out a game plan more slowly rather than generating value for you opponent(s)

@jsizzle-o7p 4 ай бұрын

cut looks crisp . long hair was a good look for you 2 though . keep up the good content

@LemorasCards 4 ай бұрын

@@jsizzle-o7p thank ya!

@M15CH13F 4 ай бұрын

This is a specific question but when do you feel you should vs shouldn’t counter a smothering tithe?

@LemorasCards 4 ай бұрын

@M15CH13F it's gonna be really context dependent. If you think the game is going to go long, then it can definitely be worth interacting with. It doesn't take long for smothering tithe to give them more mana than they could ever need. Especially if they have access to a lot of cards but not much mana you should consider it.

@M15CH13F 4 ай бұрын

@@LemorasCards Thank you for your input. Recently I countered someone’s smothering tithe and they reacted like it was a bad play when it was probably they were just mad about it.

@mentosmuncher 4 ай бұрын

Last tournament , I had a kingmaker every round. Avoid getting podded up with kingmakers. Or people griefing by playing six mana rocks into Mystic remora and passing because they can't win. The worst part about it also was it was people with the least going on in their boardstate and no way to win anymore. And each time I was about to win, their first interaction all game, force of negation, knowing full well they were losing to a sisay with a bunch of permanents including rhystic study. I perfectly explained to them how the game was going to play out and it was going to involve neither of us winning and I was correct. And they wanted to draw! Like nah bro, I'm taking you with me.

@LemorasCards 4 ай бұрын

@mentosmuncher oof that's brutal. Really tough when you get matched up with people who don't seem to be trying their best to actually win the game or properly play to a draw.

@MRAIClassroom 4 ай бұрын

This would be a great idea for a video buddy! As a new cedh player I really only play on spelltable which is great, but there is no draws. Having a video that explains how draws play out in tournaments (I’m so uninformed on it I don’t know how to exactly pose the question) but ya some info on how to attack draws/avoid draws if u think u can win!

@joshtaylor8832 4 ай бұрын

@@MRAIClassroom I second this. No idea how draws work. Do players only talk about draws if it benefits all 4 pregame? And how would that look? Or do they ever happen midmatch? @lemorascards